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Please don't delete. Johnvr4 ( talk) 19:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
The piracy story needs to be referenced (and ideally other steps in the ship's history). The infobox needs to have a succession of sub-boxes in chronological order for all the different ownerships and names, incorporating the changes to specifications in the refits (given in the de.wikipedia infobox). I don't know that I'll have time to do any of this today, so here's a note for other editors :-) Yngvadottir ( talk) 18:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- Brilliant! "Note Vulcanus I; Vulcanus II is a different ship." Are these refits of the same ship ( renamed Vulcanus when incinerators were installed) and each time the front of the ship was replaced resulting in the Vulcanus I and then the Vulcanus II after the second front end replacement. Am I following this correctly? There was another reference in there for the current ships names and owners I can't seem to locate anymore. If possible, please ensure I got the correct numbers in the table for the ships specs. Thank you very much for your work and guidance. Well done
Johnvr4 (
talk) 20:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome :-) If nobody from the Ships project gets to it first, I'll do the infobox. I've started by putting in the initial specs; the trick will be to get each stage assembled correctly. (This arises with WWI warships, so the templates are designed to deal with multiple ownerships under different names and with rebuilds). Vulcanus II is listed separately from Vulcanus I at
de:Müllverbrennungsschiff, and
this page that is the last remaining external link doesn't mention Vulcanus II. (That may be the one you were thinking of.) So yes, I'm pretty sure they are different ships owned at the time by the same company. Whereas Vulcanus I is a refit of Vulcanus. Now I go boom :-)
Yngvadottir (
talk) 21:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- I think I've now done all I can do here. There are probably more elegant ways to do the infobox, but all the data is there, with sources given at various points. There are multiple mentions of Vulcanus and Vulcanus I in shipping literature that discusses at-sea incineration. The reference used in the German Wikipedia for the piracy incident is a broken link and was not archived by the Wayback Machine; I have been unable to find it and have therefore commented out that paragraph. However,
this shipspotting page explains the Oragreen naming in that incident: Kotram did not repaint the name on the stern.
Their list of ships (warning: blinking thingie) lists Oragreen and not Kotrando.
Yngvadottir (
talk) 20:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- Vulcanus I and Vulcanus II are indeed two different ships. Vulcanus I is the refurbished Vulcanus, the Vulcanus II was built 1982 as can be read in the German Article de:Müllverbrennungsschiff mentioned by Yngvadottir. There is a photo of a model of Vulcanus II included in this article [1], too. A photo of Vulcanus I can be found in the also mentioned external link [2]. Comparing these two photos with the photo of the Vulcanus I in action [3] that was included in this article by Johnvr4, one must notice, that this ship can't be the Vulcanus I! Vulcanus I had its incinerators located aft behind the bridge. The photo shows a ship with incinerators in the front opposite of the bridge (like the Vulcanus II was constructed). This means, that this CAN'T BE Vulcanus I at work while burning the remainings of Agent Orange! The photo is included in many articles in different languages, this should be corrected. 62.216.202.201 ( talk) 00:19, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- I think I've now done all I can do here. There are probably more elegant ways to do the infobox, but all the data is there, with sources given at various points. There are multiple mentions of Vulcanus and Vulcanus I in shipping literature that discusses at-sea incineration. The reference used in the German Wikipedia for the piracy incident is a broken link and was not archived by the Wayback Machine; I have been unable to find it and have therefore commented out that paragraph. However,
this shipspotting page explains the Oragreen naming in that incident: Kotram did not repaint the name on the stern.
Their list of ships (warning: blinking thingie) lists Oragreen and not Kotrando.
Yngvadottir (
talk) 20:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome :-) If nobody from the Ships project gets to it first, I'll do the infobox. I've started by putting in the initial specs; the trick will be to get each stage assembled correctly. (This arises with WWI warships, so the templates are designed to deal with multiple ownerships under different names and with rebuilds). Vulcanus II is listed separately from Vulcanus I at
de:Müllverbrennungsschiff, and
this page that is the last remaining external link doesn't mention Vulcanus II. (That may be the one you were thinking of.) So yes, I'm pretty sure they are different ships owned at the time by the same company. Whereas Vulcanus I is a refit of Vulcanus. Now I go boom :-)
Yngvadottir (
talk) 21:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
![[1]](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCllverbrennungsschiff#/media/Datei:2016_01_03_Verbrennungsschiff_Vulcanos_II_IMG_6139_P_S.JPG){kind=link}
![[3]](/info/en/?search=MT_Vulcanus#/media/File:Vulcanus_incinerates_Agent_Orange.jpg){kind=link}
I think You may be right. I uploaded the photo years ago and simply don’t remember. Perhaps it could be Vulcanus II. This is a Good catch of my obvious error and It looks like it needs a correction and new image uploaded. Looking at the Vulcanus in 1977 in these images [4], [5] what I previously uploaded does not appear to be the Vulcanus In 1977 on Operation Pacer HO. Johnvr4 ( talk) 04:43, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
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Please don't delete. Johnvr4 ( talk) 19:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
The piracy story needs to be referenced (and ideally other steps in the ship's history). The infobox needs to have a succession of sub-boxes in chronological order for all the different ownerships and names, incorporating the changes to specifications in the refits (given in the de.wikipedia infobox). I don't know that I'll have time to do any of this today, so here's a note for other editors :-) Yngvadottir ( talk) 18:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- Brilliant! "Note Vulcanus I; Vulcanus II is a different ship." Are these refits of the same ship ( renamed Vulcanus when incinerators were installed) and each time the front of the ship was replaced resulting in the Vulcanus I and then the Vulcanus II after the second front end replacement. Am I following this correctly? There was another reference in there for the current ships names and owners I can't seem to locate anymore. If possible, please ensure I got the correct numbers in the table for the ships specs. Thank you very much for your work and guidance. Well done
Johnvr4 (
talk) 20:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome :-) If nobody from the Ships project gets to it first, I'll do the infobox. I've started by putting in the initial specs; the trick will be to get each stage assembled correctly. (This arises with WWI warships, so the templates are designed to deal with multiple ownerships under different names and with rebuilds). Vulcanus II is listed separately from Vulcanus I at
de:Müllverbrennungsschiff, and
this page that is the last remaining external link doesn't mention Vulcanus II. (That may be the one you were thinking of.) So yes, I'm pretty sure they are different ships owned at the time by the same company. Whereas Vulcanus I is a refit of Vulcanus. Now I go boom :-)
Yngvadottir (
talk) 21:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- I think I've now done all I can do here. There are probably more elegant ways to do the infobox, but all the data is there, with sources given at various points. There are multiple mentions of Vulcanus and Vulcanus I in shipping literature that discusses at-sea incineration. The reference used in the German Wikipedia for the piracy incident is a broken link and was not archived by the Wayback Machine; I have been unable to find it and have therefore commented out that paragraph. However,
this shipspotting page explains the Oragreen naming in that incident: Kotram did not repaint the name on the stern.
Their list of ships (warning: blinking thingie) lists Oragreen and not Kotrando.
Yngvadottir (
talk) 20:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- Vulcanus I and Vulcanus II are indeed two different ships. Vulcanus I is the refurbished Vulcanus, the Vulcanus II was built 1982 as can be read in the German Article de:Müllverbrennungsschiff mentioned by Yngvadottir. There is a photo of a model of Vulcanus II included in this article [1], too. A photo of Vulcanus I can be found in the also mentioned external link [2]. Comparing these two photos with the photo of the Vulcanus I in action [3] that was included in this article by Johnvr4, one must notice, that this ship can't be the Vulcanus I! Vulcanus I had its incinerators located aft behind the bridge. The photo shows a ship with incinerators in the front opposite of the bridge (like the Vulcanus II was constructed). This means, that this CAN'T BE Vulcanus I at work while burning the remainings of Agent Orange! The photo is included in many articles in different languages, this should be corrected. 62.216.202.201 ( talk) 00:19, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
- I think I've now done all I can do here. There are probably more elegant ways to do the infobox, but all the data is there, with sources given at various points. There are multiple mentions of Vulcanus and Vulcanus I in shipping literature that discusses at-sea incineration. The reference used in the German Wikipedia for the piracy incident is a broken link and was not archived by the Wayback Machine; I have been unable to find it and have therefore commented out that paragraph. However,
this shipspotting page explains the Oragreen naming in that incident: Kotram did not repaint the name on the stern.
Their list of ships (warning: blinking thingie) lists Oragreen and not Kotrando.
Yngvadottir (
talk) 20:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- You're welcome :-) If nobody from the Ships project gets to it first, I'll do the infobox. I've started by putting in the initial specs; the trick will be to get each stage assembled correctly. (This arises with WWI warships, so the templates are designed to deal with multiple ownerships under different names and with rebuilds). Vulcanus II is listed separately from Vulcanus I at
de:Müllverbrennungsschiff, and
this page that is the last remaining external link doesn't mention Vulcanus II. (That may be the one you were thinking of.) So yes, I'm pretty sure they are different ships owned at the time by the same company. Whereas Vulcanus I is a refit of Vulcanus. Now I go boom :-)
Yngvadottir (
talk) 21:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
I think You may be right. I uploaded the photo years ago and simply don’t remember. Perhaps it could be Vulcanus II. This is a Good catch of my obvious error and It looks like it needs a correction and new image uploaded. Looking at the Vulcanus in 1977 in these images [4], [5] what I previously uploaded does not appear to be the Vulcanus In 1977 on Operation Pacer HO. Johnvr4 ( talk) 04:43, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
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Link to Love Canal
This potential source links the ship to Disposal of waste from the Love Canal site [6] Johnvr4 ( talk) 05:06, 6 January 2020 (UTC)