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Johnvr, it seems that you have a longer term goal of getting the history of how the conspiracy developed into the article. Pounding away on this book thing in a way that is garnering no support, is digging yourself a big hole. It is useful to be strategic - don't lose sight of the forest for the trees. Jytdog ( talk) 01:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
I've made some notes about my reactions to your draft at my talkpage. Honestly the article doesn't hang together as it is; there are too many barely-related subjects in it (in my view, eg there's no need for a separate section about Japanese research involvement, merely one sentence in some relevant section.) Buckshot06 (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you removed some content from
Operation Red Hat without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate
edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the
sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you!
CAPTAIN RAJU (
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Why don't you split out Red Cap as a completely separate article? Happy New Year Buckshot06 (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Beacham Theater shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Dirk Beetstra T C 15:01, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
3RR does not apply to correcting mistakesThat's simply incorrect. Could you please self-revert and work to find someone that agrees with your viewpoints about the links? -- Ronz ( talk) 15:26, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
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Johnvr4 ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
This is excessive and the issue is currently under three separate discussions where I've asked that links not be modified until the discussion was over. Please at least unblock to continue those talk page discussions. *here:
User talk:Beetstra #edit war at Beacham Theatre *here:
ELN #Beacham Theatre *and now here:
Talk:Beacham Theatre #In line external links There is not yet even consensus about which link or links the discussion is referring to! Now not one editor will even point to a specific link of concern to discuss. My questions and requests for clarification are being ignored. The fact is that the involved editor that I reverted refused to open a talk page section at the entry and has not explained a valid position or counter-argument for his deletions. He was engaged in his own edit war which I warned him about and he violated 3RR but that is no excuse for my own violation to correct what I thought and still think is a mistake and misunderstanding of the
WP:EL policy. I was already refraining from more edits of the link materiel. My last revert was not at all related to the contested links. During the next 24 hours had I hoped to make the position obvious in further discussion. The absurd part is that the material I re-inserted is not even the same material being challenged as each link was modified to address the concerns as explained in the edit summaries! Only one or possible two of the links that the editor and others have now deleted has not been modified after the concerns were raised. The External links in the external links section that are being complained about and the links being deleted are not pointing to the same sub-page are not even to the same material as they previously were. There is no valid dispute about the updated links. These links are not controversial and comply with WP policy. The dispute was about the format of prior links and certain editors not understanding the well-established exceptions to those WP:EL policies Each link was modified per WP policy, it is justified and what was reinserted is not even the same materiel. There was no valid reason to delete the links in the first place as shown in in the edit summaries or discussions. Consensus is based on the validity of the argument rather than voting. Please consider the abnormal discussion processes that I had to use to understand and rectify such concerns and try to follow them as well as the content of the discussion in determining consensus or edit warring violations. It isn't super clear because it is now in three places and would take a lot of time to review and is very likely more than an administrator would want to deal with. Please understand this is not my fault and I was in the process of clarifying concerns when I was blocked. Now this is a catch-22 where I can't very clearly express that to other editors that I'm in discussion with or to an administrator trying to review it. Thank you for this consideration of this matter.
Johnvr4 (
talk) 22:14, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Accept reason:
I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt here. But if there is anymore re-adding challenged material w/o crystal clear consensus you will be blocked again, probably for more than 24 hrs. Ad Orientem ( talk) 23:24, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
At this point you seem unable to acknowledge that no one agrees with your perspective, and that consensus is unlikely to change. I suggest you move on, as your repeated dismissals of others' comments are difficult to see as good faith efforts to work collaboratively and constructively with other editors. --
Ronz (
talk) 16:49, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
I am not intending to promoteI didn't intend to convey that interpretation. SOAP problems, at least those that don't result in a quick block/ban/etc, aren't about whether or not anyone is trying to promote anything but rather the difference between content that is encyclopedic in nature versus content that is "propaganda, advertising and showcasing". Sometimes it's difficult to distinguish. In this case, I'm not clear what source even verifies what related content there is in the article, so it's difficult to judge, but almost impossible to make a strong case for inclusion. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:25, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Link to external links discussion: WP:External_links/Noticeboard/Archive_19#Beacham_Theatre (closed) Johnvr4 ( talk) 18:50, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing—
Orlando's Summer of Love—has been proposed for
merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in
the merger discussion. Thank you.
Ahecht (
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I've reviewed every source you propose for the paragraph below, and still cannot find any mention of air defence interceptors. Which of the four sources you cite has this wording?
[2] "US military went on full alert deploying F-100 fighters armed with nuclear weapons from Kadena AB on Okinawa to Kunsan, South Korea as well as preparing for strikes against Mainland China from all bases."
[3] "With this in mind, in 1954 the U.S. brought hydrogen-bomb armed F-100 fighter-bombers to its key hub in the Pacific, Kadena Air Base in Okinawa — the first of thousands of nuclear weapons that it would station on the island before their removal in 1972 (see accompanying stories)."
[4] "1950s and 60s F-100 Super Sabre served as primary interceptor...could carry nuclear capable air-to-air missiles. Was carrying one on Jan 18, 1959 at one of four Pacific bases (&Okinawa etc.)....on a reveted hardstand...ground alert configuration...weapon on left wing"
[5] "In 1954, the U.S. brought hydrogen-bomb armed F-100 fighter-bombers to its key hub in the Pacific, Kadena Air Base in Okinawa — the first of thousands of nuclear weapons that it would station on the island before their removal in 1972." Johnvr4 ( talk) 22:35, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Discussion Moved to Talk:U.S._nuclear_weapons_in_Japan's_southern_islands#Air_defense_interceptors.2FGenie
Thunder
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).In 1954, the U.S. brought hydrogen-bomb armed F-100 fighter-bombers to its key hub in the Pacific, Kadena Air Base in Okinawa — the first of thousands of nuclear weapons that it would station on the island before their removal in 1972.
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I write to give you the opportunity to clarify this edit. Why are you calling this source dubious when you youself introduced it and cited it repeatedly, previously? Why is the paragraph I summarised now suddenly dubious? What are you writing in your edit summary about Neither Confirm Nor Deny when the issue at hand is actually the reason for weapons withdrawal from Japan (and Taiwan and the Philippines)? Please avoid introducing an anti- United States Department of Defense point of view into the article; this is forbidden by our WP:FIVEPILLARS. Buckshot06 (talk) 16:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
"The paragraph you cite above, "With the reversion of Okinawa" etc forms para 6 of Kristensen's article. The very next para, para 7, begins "Although nuclear weapons were removed from Okinawa in the late 1970s" which I believe substantiates the generally held belief at the time. Thus nuclear weapons were removed in 1972, it seems, though forces on Okinawa (possibly the 18 TFW) may have been held at some level of nuclear alert state for other reasons -- possibly ready to employ nuclear weapons which would have arrived during transition-to-war. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 04:20, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
"Perhaps they never left in 1972 or perhaps they were brought back after- I haven't looked for clarification. From Kristensen, some "were removed in 1972" and some were removed from Okinawa in the late 1970s. [ “Secret” 1965 Memo Reveals Plans to Keep U.S. Bases and Nuclear Weapons Options in Okinawa After Reversion Johnvr4 (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Closed. Moving to Talk:U.S. nuclear weapons in Japan's southern islands Johnvr4 ( talk) 12:09, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
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At Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/OpRedHat I have nominated your stale userpage for deletion. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 02:21, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I have deleted your sandbox under G4 because it was a copy/paste recreation of an article deleted by a correct deletion discussion. Please don't recreate it again without going through deletion review. You risk being blocked for disruptive behavior if you keep this up. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 15:43, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
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Just to try and make it crystal clear about the reasons your drafts were deleted; I may have created some misunderstanding by using the word 'stale' in when I advised you of the MfD. If I've created such confusion I do apologise. MfD says without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD while and WP:FAKEARTICLE says "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like ...your preferred version of disputed content. It was disputed content ( WP:FAKEARTICLE) that had not been sufficiently improved to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD ( WP:MfD). The result was that the drafts would not have been policy-compliant in mainspace (PMC conclusions). I'm not trying to pick a scab here, I hope by writing this that I can convey exactly why the drafts were deleted. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:39, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I have deleted the version of User:Johnvr4/sandbox you re-created a little while ago, per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 August 30. Do not recreate this. I know you disagree with the deletion decision, and you disagree with the review that decision got, but the community has spoken. If you create it again, you will be blocked from further editing. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. I have concluded that your behaviour and actions on this site are not helpful to the overall cause of improving the encyclopedia, and thus at AN/I I have requested that you be blocked. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
John, I really sincerely have no desire to see you blocked. I very rarely desire to see anyone blocked and you are no exception. But I don't know what else the community can do with regards to your total obsession with Red Hat-related topics. I feel like anything anyone says to you goes in one ear and right out the other and honestly, sadly, I expect this to be no different. At some point you have to accept the community's decision on things, even if you feel the community is wrong. The enormous amount of material in your deleted pages - it's just too much for an encyclopedia. It's sprawling and overwhelming in a way that Wikipedia articles are not supposed to be. Multiple editors have told you this across many talk pages, as well as the AfD, MfD, DRV, and now the ANI.
Your reaction every time is to say that everything is wrong with everyone else. Every time, the nominators are misrepresenting themselves, or the participants aren't reading things correctly, or the closers in each discussion failed to correctly assess consensus. But how can that possibly be the case when in every instance, particularly the MfD and the DRV, no one spoke up to keep the material or overturn the deletion aside from you? How can every closer be interpreting every consensus wrong when in every discussion, consensus was for the material to be deleted and stay deleted? How many people have to tell you something before you acknowledge that they might not all be wrong, or liars, or maliciously trying to destroy your material?
At some point you have to take a step back and sincerely ask yourself: is everyone wrong? Or am I wrong?
Now is the time to take that step back. Voluntarily take a 6-month Red Hat topic ban. Edit something else, something totally unrelated. Anything else. Species of trees. Philosophy of the Romantic era. Classic novels. Find a pet backlog and clear it. Anything. Put your boundless energy toward moving the encyclopedia forward, please. Show the community that you really are here to build an encyclopedia and let this dead horse die. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Johnvr4, as per the discussion at ANI you are hereby topic banned from contributing to or discussing articles regarding either Japan or weapons, broadly construed, anywhere on the English Wikipedia. You may choose to appeal this ban at WP:AN after six months time, which will be March 18, 2018. This ban will also be logged at Wikipedia:Editing restrictions. RickinBaltimore ( talk) 13:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi John. As RickinBaltimore previously stated, the consensus was to topic ban you from topics related to Japan or weapons, broadly construed. I wanted to go over this with you so that you don't violate your topic ban. Here is an example from the section discussing topic bans:
Now if we apply this to your topic ban of Japan and weaponry, I hope what topics are forbidden to edit or discuss is clear. This is also included on your own user page, talk page and sandboxes. Your primary edited articles like Operation Red Hat, U.S. nuclear weapons in Japan and Japan and weapons of mass destruction and other articles such as this are off-limits now. This also covers anything related to Japan, and any other kinds of weapons not discussed in those articles, which fall under the topic ban's scope. Categories, templates, WikiProjects and discussions like AFD's that have topics related to Japan or weapons, you should avoid. If someone engages you about a topic under the umbrella of your topic ban, kindly tell them you are under your editing restriction and you are unable to. If you have any questions, let me know. Regards, — Moe Epsilon 18:54, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
John, your edit to Talk:Operation Red Hat on 20 September violated your topic ban. Please do not make any further edits to articles related to either Japan or weapons, broadly construed, on the English wikipedia. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:55, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
.."Sarin was stored on Okinawa under Project Red Hat"? By your own admission in the previous statement about Okinawa being unmentioned, how is this statement even possible? There is no mention of Okinawa in the reference, so this is wrong... Regards, — Moe Epsilon 17:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC) [4]
Like I said, this is from one reference and there have been 173 references since you've began editing it. Please don't make me go through all of them and see what else you cooked up in your spare time...Regards, — Moe Epsilon 17:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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Johnvr4 ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Mea culpa: I felt the talk page edit for which I was apparently blocked was necessary. As I’ve explained, the edit was to prevent involved editors from forever deleting the pages edit history that contains the creation of the page and attribution for the editors that edited the content. Edits prior to any edits that I submitted to it are missing. These histories are apparently lost in violation of our policies and pillars. The editor who blocked me stated that "When consensus holds that your edits are not improving the encyclopedia, and when you've been banned from making such edits, invoking IAR is not a basis for doing the edits in question."
The hiding all diffs prior to my editing on that subject would show that questionable material regarding text about night operations and “of cooking up stuff in my spare time” that individual editors accused me of submitting at AfD is now concealed as well as the number of times and reasons that the page was locked, revived, deleted and revived again by the involved editor. Based upon unfounded assertions of long involved editors, there is now a negative community consensus (such as that I interpret primary sources or that "I cook stuff up in my spare time") associated with my edits which the missing history would reveal I did not submit.
I have to wonder how many times the page has been resurrected by that editor or whether anyone can tell? I wonder why that information is not reflected anywhere in the pages history. Our community has allowed perhaps even encouraged those actions by not looking at the facts or patterns of behavior that I described and topic banning me without merit. I employed IAR to prevent an even larger disruption that is described in policy because it appears to me to be absolutely against one of our community’s pillars.
No small group of involved editors can justify that there is consensus to overrule a policy nor one of our pillars. This apparently has been done numerous times to my submissions by the same editor. The issues with that page history make it impossible to discuss my situation with other involved editors with the diffs and proof that are required in such discussion. The pages history would vindicate me against further false accusations by these same editors and show that specific problems and concerns for which I was blamed that existed at AfD had been corrected prior to MfD and more importantly, that I was not the editor responsible for putting them there in the first place as has been incorrectly asserted by these editors at AfD and after.
That is why I purposely ignored the Ban.
In my view, necessity under the common law (the established law where I live) is very similar to WP:IAR. It doesn’t block an accusation nor an arrest or imprisonment. It is never a “get out of jail free card”. However, necessity defenses prevent any conviction and punishment whenever the situation was not caused by a defendant, they could not accomplish the same objective using a less offensive alternative available to them, and the problem sought to be avoided was more heinous than the unlawful act perpetrated to avoid it.
The community agrees that myself and a limited number of editors need to work together but are having a content dispute. Certain involved editors have made claims about content but have thwarted any and all procedures to rectify them. Rather that adhering to established WP policy that could determine consensus, they have raised dubious concerns and then moved every content discussion into a forum that is not set up to determine the validity of content. Consensus of the community is that Content issues should NOT be raised at ANI for the very reasons I have described.
The simple fact is that no editor was able to provide a single example of my alleged edits that were shown to not improve WP. The assertions come from a concerned editor that as I will discuss below who knew the allegations were baseless, and unfounded. These concerns were disputed by the numerous other editors at ANI who reviewed them and who provided well-founded examples (with links) to support the exact opposite opinion.
To restate, not one example has been presented of any edits that I made did not improve Wikipedia.
The community has agreed that determining consensus requires adherence to all WP policies -each of which already have community consensus. Consensus cannot be reached by ignoring our policies. Ignoring WP policy is the definition of Local consensus.
It is impossible to discuss the my WP Block without discussing the (overly broad) Topic Ban (of “Weapons” and “Japan”).
The first edit to that talk page was prior to me knowing about the ban. My second edit explained my first and a third edit explained my second.
At MfD, the nominator falsely claimed that my draft material was
However, each one of those assertions was disproved in later discussions and both involved editors knew very well (here as one example) that the sandbox material had been condensed by 1/3 and was being condensed by another 1/3 before it was deleted. Nevertheless, they and others continued to make the assertion that it had not been condensed.
In closing she said that, “No policy argument has been raised for keeping this. Info was rightly deleted at AfD years ago as it is a huge mess of information unrelated to the actual topic, and has never been improved such that it would be policy-compliant in mainspace. We're not a webhost for deleted content so it's time for this to go.” ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:06, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
It is clear that not one of the concerns raised at MfD actually applied to or was directed at my sandbox draft-which had been reedited and condensed into new articles over the last six months to comply with the concerns of the nominating editor!
User_talk:Premeditated_Chaos/Archive_11#Deletion_of_userspace_material “I agree with the nominator and the other two participants that the problems that caused the material to be deleted in mainspace are still present in the userfied copy, and my close specifically reflects that with the statement that the draft had not been improved such that it would be policy-compliant in mainspace.” PMC♠ (talk) 03:31, 26 August 2017
As you can see above, the closing editor spoke ONLY of the Userfied copy however, she deleted BOTH the userfied Copy AND my updated sandbox draft. Then she would not clarify any of the perceptions she had about my sandbox draft (contrary to all evidence) in order for me to go forward as her concerns as were applied to my sandbox draft made no sense.
Closure review DRV of JohnVR4 userspace Sandbox drafts “Ignoring the WP:WALLOFTEXT from the nom, there's strong consensus here to endorse the deletion of these stale user drafts. – -- RoySmith (talk) August_30”
It appears that the closer at Deletion Review commented that both drafts were deleted under STALE despite the diffs that showed that My sandbox had been recently edited only 1.5 hours prior to its nomination for deletion as stale or any other application of WP policy – a fact which no editor can argue against!
Quality arguments that are put forth in order to determine consensus- cannot be ignored- which is the reason I feel that we are here. As shown, my Sandbox was edited with additional sources only 1.5 hours before it was was nominated at MfD as WP:STALE. I am not sure which part of the WP:STALE WP policy allows the complete deletion of my sandbox with 170 references without any discussion of content. MfD after a 5 month break and only 1.5 hours after the last edit that improved it with additional sources. I am unsure why I am sanctioned for editing in my sandbox or talk page. The deletion of my sandbox without any ability for me to edit the material was effectively a topic ban after MfD. I see no valid explanation of how that can happen yet that is precisely how my sandbox draft was deleted, repeatedly. MfD looked to be simply a vote or WP:VAGUEWAVE of mostly involved editors.
Therefore, I asked for a review of the MfD determination for specific reasons and every single one of those quality policy arguments (yes, the format was all off) were purposefully ignored by the closer. That is also the reason I ignored the Mfd deletion of my sandbox which I can assume was one reason for the ban (I am unclear how that vote for a ban happened when my power was out for a week that ignored all of the quality arguments in opposition to it.)
I was nominated for the ban by an editor trying resolve really absurd content issues that he cannot overcome in any other way.
There was a content dispute with a deeply involved nominating editor who uses vague policy waves and an utter refusal to review sources to justify battleground editing and has given up on BRD. He removes sourced content to insert his POV. I have had a lot of difficulty with this behavior and it has generated tons of unnecessary discussion to try and fix. The behavior can be described as tendentious editing as shown below.
Instead, my edits are deleted and challenged and endless discussion and countless meritless concerns materialize from thin air followed by the editors refusal to participate in further discussion while he goes to battle over that one word that is clearly present in the source to everyone but him. This has made it impossible to listen to or work with him.
I’ve re-added disputed text based on discussions under [unexplained removal of sourced content] but the editor has even removed the source entirely and continues to remove the sourced text. This has resulted in an apparent Edit war based solely upon his entirely faulty assertions that these words are not in our sources.
There may some type of a mental illness at work here. The disruption on this page over six months is 100% being caused by the involved editor who nominated my submissions for deletion and then nominated to block me.
From that source (It's from Japan Times- ): “The document shows that the area off the U.S. Marine Corps’ Camp Schwab in the Henoko district on the east coast of Nago was most suitable for the offshore base, taking into account Okinawa’s geography and weather conditions. It suggested building an offshore landfill facility with a 3,000-meter runway, a large military port and an integrated ammunition bunker capable of storing nuclear weapons.” Discussion: Talk:U.S._nuclear_weapons_in_Japan#Henoko.2F_Schwab.2F_Hansen.2F_nuke_depot.2F_and_relocation_plan
Here the involved editor exclaims with asterisks and double exclamation points, “*The Sources Do Not State!!*” and makes edits to remove the sourced text.
“Neither mentions the words 'Camp Schwab'. We run with WP:V here, and I am *strictly* paring you back to the details mentioned in the sources you cite. You appear to have a tendency to add material that isn't actually in the cited sources -- evident all the way back to the 2013 deletion debate. If you're going to add primary-source material so heavily, you need to stick quite closely to the sources and not infer or WP:SYNTH from them. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 04:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)”
07:05, 19 March 2017 (b) new secret depot sentences not sourced [5]
18:53, 9 April 2017 remove discussions about base moves long after nuclear weapons removed [6]
Any editor can that look at U.S. Nuclear weapons in Japan PAGE HISTORY to see how much sourced content being deleted by that editor and every bit of it seems to be done with dubious reasoning.
Our dispute(s) seemed to mostly resolve around A source that I have asked repeatedly to be reviewed by that editor. The editor refuses to review the sources and battles over the content.
ANY other WP editor can easily verify this information or the presence of a single word in that source on page 6-7 in less than 10 seconds. http://www.nukestrat.com/us/CDI_BrokenArrowMonitor1981.pdf
Yet that editor time after time would refused to look once at the source!
No editor can legitimately argue that the Pacific base incident (possibly Okinawa) is not verifiable on pages 6-7 in that source!’’
Discussion: Talk:U.S._nuclear_weapons_in_Japan#Original_research.3F_.2F_synthesis.3F_removed.2C_failure_to_WP:BRD.3F discussion He will not discuss his concern except to tell me to quit flogging a dead horse! the pages history 03:44, 20 September 2017 -remove incident that is not proven to have occurred in Okinawa [7]
10:46, 7 August 2017 removal of incident that is not proven to be associated with Okinawa - WP:V [8]
04:14, 7 April 2017 considering WP:V, this para cannot be included, at least in this form [9]
05:00, 20 March 2017 remove incident that cannot be definitively linked to Okinawa [10]
07:06, 19 March 2017 should not have this here if it's not clearly re Okinawa [11]
07:10, 18 March 2017 remove F-100 incident; no clear evidence was on Okinawa; [12]
No editor can legitimately argue that the word INTERCEPTOR is not in that source!’’
17:22, 19 March 2017 remove text about nuclear-armed interceptors, which does not appear to be cited; remove F-100 incident which cannot be conclusively linked to Okinawa); [13]
07:05, 19 March 2017 air defence interceptors not sourced [14]
07:20, 18 March 2017 remove this sentence; can't find 'air defense interceptors' in any of the refs [15]
17:16, 18 March 2017 neither source mentions Genie missiles [17] etc.
“The motivation behind the NCND was the increasing need to fend off queries from foreign governments – rather than protecting against terrorists and Soviet military planning, as was later claimed by U.S. officials. The new policy soon became an important factor in the U.S approach to the security treaty negotiations with Japan." and
"Beyond the willingness of the Japanese and U.S. governments to “turn a blind eye” to the violation of Japan’s nuclear ban, it was the Neither Confirm Nor Deny policy that more than anything made the deceit possible. While officially intended to protect the ship against terrorists and complicate enemy military planning, the policy really served as a smoke-screen under which U.S. Navy warships could get access to foreign ports regardless of the nuclear policy of the host country.
Given those quotes, No editor can legitimately argue that a mid-1970s terror threat report was the purpose of the 1950 NCND policy from that source! (Nor can the perceived threat in a 1974 report be tied to the removal from Okinawa which was planned around 1969 and executed by 1973)’’
“When I file the AN/I over your WP:OR, WP:PRIMARYSOURCES reliance, WP:POV, WP:OWN, WP:SYNTH, and battleground reverting editing, you will be notified, in accordance with policy. In my considered opinion, you should be writing research pieces for publication that allow you to state polemics, not trying to operate on a site that is supposed to be neutral. Buckshot06 (talk) 04:44, 2 April 2017 (UTC)”
If my editing was so problematic then then has not one single example of any of my edits containing WP:OR, WP:PRIMARYSOURCES interpretation, WP:POV, WP:OWN, WP:SYNTH, as alleged at MfD or ANI and why is that editor the only one removing well-sourced content that I added to the main space? (I think I've seen once case where an editor asked for a better sourced)
What does one editor do when an administrators or a group of administrators will not read the source and wants to ridiculously edit war over solidly verified content and turn what should be a kindergarten level content dispute into an ANI concern about my behavior?
I have been temporarily blocked in the past. Each time this happens, no one figures out until long after I’m blamed and sanctioned that I was in fact correct. This was the case with my first block where a tight group of editors were actively abusing a source and repeatedly reinserted text over a period of years that came directly from a conspiracy web site [19]. They also misrepresented that source by ignoring text about the 1990s origin in order to remove it at RSN [20]. That happened. No editor can argue that was not the case. I wear the experience proudly should any editor want to look at it again. I know I’m right about this content (and the presence of a single word) being in the source and there is simply no amount arguments that can ever surmount it. I know ANY editor can look at and see that I’m right but to date, they will not do it and those involved are not willing to further embarrass themselves in a RfC or content discussion. For this, I get blocked because some editors made baseless assertions that are believed by lots of other editors without the slightest glance at the source, diff, quote, evidence, etc or anything else.
“In forums such as ANI content is not usually reviewed and is typically ignored from discussion.” [Which I didn’t know until now...]
I am now topic banned and cannot present nor discuss a single issue!
It is past the proper time for other administrators to review my valid arguments, and the assertions with evidence and diffs. Ignoring them or validating an editors meritless concerns under a guise of consensus will be challenged per WP policy whether it is now or in six months!
Wikipedia Policy says my edits are not disruptive but his seem to be. “While notable minority opinions are welcome when verifiable through reliable sources, and constructive editors occasionally make mistakes, sometimes a Wikipedia editor creates long-term problems by persistently editing a page or set of pages with information which is not verifiable through reliable sources or insisting on giving undue weight to a minority view.”
Decline reason:
This unblock request is 4,300 words long. That's absolutely ludicrous and totally inappropriate. It's one to two orders of magnitude too long. You are blocked for violating your topic ban. Show you did not violate your topic ban. Everything else is irrelevant. In particular, this is not the place to argue your topic ban should never have been placed. In particular, this is not the place to discuss the actions of others. The only thing relevant here is whether or not you violated your topic ban. Yamla ( talk) 19:24, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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Note in addition to my decline, above, I have also verified that Johnvr4 did indeed violate his topic ban. Furthermore, he sited WP:IAR, so knew perfectly well he was violating the topic ban. A six month ban is entirely appropriate here and is, in my opinion, the best (that is, the shortest) this user can hope for. -- Yamla ( talk) 19:26, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Please repair the format of my previous highly relevant request so It can at least be read. That is not the condition I left it in.
@ Yamla Can you verify the faulty reasoning that led to my topic ban in light of the diffs, quotes, and source information that I provided above? Johnvr4 ( talk) 18:59, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Mea culpa: I felt the talk page edit for which I was apparently blocked was necessary. As I’ve explained, the edit was to prevent involved editors from forever deleting the pages edit history that contains the creation of the page and attribution for the editors that edited the content. Edits prior to any edits that I submitted to it are missing. These histories are apparently lost in violation of our policies and pillars and should not be ignored.
The editor who blocked me stated that "When consensus holds that your edits are not improving the encyclopedia, and when you've been banned from making such edits, invoking IAR is not a basis for doing the edits in question."
The hiding all diffs prior to my editing on that subject would show that questionable material regarding text about night operations and “of cooking up stuff in my spare time” that individual editors accused me of submitting at AfD is now concealed as well as the number of times and reasons that the page was locked, revived, deleted and revived again by the involved editor.
Based upon unfounded assertions of long involved editors, there is now a negative community consensus (such as that I interpret primary sources or that "I cook stuff up in my spare time") associated with my edits which the missing history would reveal I did not submit. Our community has allowed perhaps even encouraged those actions by not looking at the facts or patterns of behavior that I described and topic banning me without merit.
I employed IAR to prevent an even larger disruption that is described in policy because it appears to me to be absolutely against one of our community’s pillars. No small group of involved editors can justify that there is consensus to overrule a policy nor one of our pillars.
This apparently has been done numerous times to my submissions by the same editor. The issues with that page history make it impossible to discuss my situation with other involved editors with the diffs and proof that are required in such discussion. The pages history would vindicate me against further false accusations by these same editors and show that specific problems and concerns for which I was blamed that existed at AfD had been corrected prior to MfD and more importantly, that I was not the editor responsible for putting them there in the first place as has been incorrectly asserted by these editors at AfD and after. The restoration is only opposed by the involved editor above and the editor who accused me of cooking stuff up in my spare time and I responded to them in apparent violation of an unwarranted topic ban. It is impossible to discuss the Block without discussing the topic ban and the deletion of my sandbox. I am really tired of Lazy editors using TLDR and Wall of text excuses to ignore quality arguments. I often ignore decisions made where arguments are ignored.
That is why I purposely ignored the Ban. In my view, necessity under the common law (the established law where I live) is very similar to WP:IAR. It doesn’t block an accusation nor an arrest or imprisonment. It is never a “get out of jail free card”. However, necessity defenses prevent any conviction and punishment whenever the situation was not caused by a defendant, they could not accomplish the same objective using a less offensive alternative available to them, and the problem sought to be avoided was more heinous than the unlawful act perpetrated to avoid it. Johnvr4 ( talk) 20:56, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Decline reason:
We all understand that you felt those edits were necessary. If you hadn't thought them necessary, you wouldn't have made them. However, the community has found that your edits regarding those topics are so problematic that you were banned from those topics. You can, of course, disagree with the community on the quality of your edits, but you don't get to ignore that decision. Your rationale here makes it exceedingly likely that you would continue to violate your topic ban if you were unblocked. Thus the block should remain in place to enforce the topic ban. Huon ( talk) 22:30, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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@ Huon (or Beyond My Ken, or Nyttend, or RickinBaltimore), Consensus is in policy, and quality arguments are given merit-not simple votes, nor ad hominem arguments, nor vagewaves at our policies. I felt there was a disruption to WP that was larger than my ban. I do not intend to argue for anything other than removal of block and topic the ban and restoration of my sandbox prior to six months. I do not feel that I should need to wait six months to appeal. Can you help me determine which of my edits you felt the community found fault with? Which policy did I break with addition of the two sources to my sandbox that ended in a topic ban and 6 month block? I am still very unclear on all of it and I'm not not at all sure where to go to clarify it. I made the quality argument above and in in my last unblock request that the community did not find fault with any of my edits. That quality argument was also put forth at ANI by others such as Mr rnddude and no recent incriminating edits that I made or NOTHERE evidence have been submitted for community review to date.
The cause of my problems stem from one editor with a demonstrated incompetence to see one word in a source. This was looked at by and confirmed at ANI (again by Mr rnddude) and there is/was no amount of further commenting or community consensus that can possibly overcome that well-founded observation. The argument is airtight and it simply is insurmountable by anyone who looks at those diffs. There is a content dispute with one editor who has demonstrated that he simply can't verify a single word in a reliable source, who will not hesitate to go to war over and over again. It is the same editor involved in resurrecting the page, the same editor whose concerns I have been trying to alleviate for over 6 months, the same editor who nominated my draft for deletion, the same editor who nominated me for a block, and the same editor who brought me forth for a ban after my last edit, the same editor hounding me and the same editor who states that this issue still needs to be resolved.
I agree with him the issue needs to be resolved but policy consensus is that ANI is not the place to go to resolve it and quality arguments stating that were out forth there and no counter argument was put forth to challenge it. I don't believe that A block or topic ban is resolution regarding the content. The content problems remain. I don't believe a single member of the community would agree with that editor given the section above titled, The issue to be resolved submitted in my previous unblock request. There is a plethora of diffs that demonstrate the problem of not looking at the source is THE ISSUE that the community cannot ignore or deny is the root of our content dispute problem. The words are verifiable in the cited source and no arguments by an infinite numbers of editors can ever overcome the merit of the argument stating that simple fact. The words are in the sources. If there was such an editor out there who contests that view, I would say it is very likely strong proof they are incompetent too. Johnvr4 ( talk) 03:11, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I warned you repeatedly about reading and verifying our sources! Spectacularly, in your effort to correct me, you have only succeeded at insulting yourself. You raised the concern of MY POV and justified your own utterly faulty and repetitive edits citing your "strong views" and "advanced degrees". "And I have advanced degrees, so would be generally expected to be able to follow complex arguments." You were expected simply to Read the source and were asked to do that repeatedly! You apparently were wholly unable to follow that complexity and instead you posted a ridiculous message to my talk page (which I deleted). Given your repeated bogus assertions in using that source, the edit to my talk page appeared to be an exercise in absurdity which I wanted zero part of. If you took my reply to Nick-D as some personal attack then you should never had used that fact to support your own POV and failure to read our sources. Or respond. Or discuss. Or follow. Or understand. Would you agree that you abused that source, then refused to read it further for verification and that responding to your message on my talk page would just be a waste of my time? (for emphasis): "Every one of these concerns are real, now, and valid. User:Nick-D, would you disagree? ... OR, POV, and sourcing errors (like trying to keep pure allegations in the article) destroy your credibility when you're trying to contribute here!! " quoting [4] You have destroyed your own credibility all by yourself. The credibility destroying editing behavior is not all contained entirely in those alleged Terrorist threat links above either. Here is another example where simply verifying a source was entirely too complex for you... which resulted in yet another edit war and me having to hold your hand and then spoon feed you the sources that you claimed you had already reviewed- and which were already all over WP!! see: Talk:U.S._nuclear_weapons_in_Japan# Air_defense_interceptors.2FGenie Johnvr4 (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
User:AustralianRupert I don't want to offend anyone but can you verify the accuracy of the statements above regarding blatant untruths, vs. simple mistakes as the characterization of these statements is the entirety of the evidence provided in my topic ban.
user:RickinBaltimore Can, please explain why
this topic ban was placed in effect given the fact that that each previous assertion on which it is based that was made by involved editors Buckshot06 and Nick-D has been proven faulty and was based entirely upon their apparent errors. All comments in agreement at MfD and ANI with them should be thrown out as void. How consensus in this case was reached needs to be re-evaluated or explained.
The alleged Edit warring and Alleged battle ground behavior was based entirely upon Buckshot06's inability to verify single words in sources as shown in his edits on the page in question. The alleged NotHere behavior complaint was based entirely upon Buckshot06s ineptitude and Nick-Ds errors as shown above. The MfD that resulted in deletion of my sandbox draft was faulty and was based entirely upon faulty and false assertions by Buckshot06 and Nick-D (as well as PMC). I have serious reservations regarding exactly how consensus was reached at MfD by PMC, at DRV by User:RoySmith, and at ANI by RickinBaltimore. This message is left in accord with WP:BANX and answers to these questions may be sent to Arbcom if necessary.
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Request reason:
The Topic Ban determination was entirely faulty. The ANI discussion requires relisting and the new diff evidence above to legitimately determine consensus in this dispute. WP:BANX The evidence would show that Buckshot06's WP:TE and inability to verify sources is the root of what he alleges is my battle ground editing and he purposefully lied in nominating my user space draft for deletion. I refuse to listen to his obviously faulty assertions (or proven lies) and the community apparently has sanctioned me for that. Johnvr4 ( talk) 15:29, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
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Disagreeing with your topic ban does not give you the right to simply ignore it. Making personal attacks on others is not the way to get yourself unblocked - and it will probably lose you the ability to edit this talk page if it continues. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 16:35, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
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I suggest that TPA be removed for the duration on the block, making personal attacks as Buckshot06 points out above and uncounted time wasted on a user who is not getting it, but is enjoying placing unblock request and walls of text and feeding on replies. - FlightTime ( open channel) 15:44, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
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UTRS appeal #19645 was submitted on Nov 04, 2017 13:57:19. This review is now closed.
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UTRS appeal #19707 was submitted on Nov 07, 2017 15:33:34. This review is now closed.
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UTRS appeal #19713 was submitted on Nov 08, 2017 04:18:35. This review is now closed.
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Agreed. Johnvr4 ( talk) 02:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I've responded in the RFU thread already. You are misunderstanding a bit: the original article wasn't deleted on the grounds that it was an inherently "non-notable" thing, it was deleted on the grounds that it was a badly-written article that failed to demonstrate whether the topic was notable or not. It literally just stated that "Orlando's Summer of Love" was a thing that existed, and didn't even attempt to explain what it actually was — so there was no way to notability-test it at all, because there was no real content to evaluate against any of our notability standards.
The fact that the old article was deleted does not mean we have to overturn the original deletion before you're allowed to try again, however — that's not how our deletion rules actually work. If you can write an article that actually has some substance to it, and is thus better than the first version was, then you're totally allowed to do that. We've got a lot of articles where a bad early version got deleted, but then something happened later on that changed the notability equation: new notability achievements that weren't true yet the first time, improved sourcing that didn't exist or hadn't been found yet the first time, and on and so forth. We've even got articles where I was both the deletion nominator of the first version and the creator of the second one. The fact that a bad version got deleted before doesn't mean it can never have an article — if you can write a better article than the first version, then absolutely bring it on, and we don't have to undelete the bad first version before you're allowed to do that. Bearcat ( talk) 15:40, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Jo-Jo Eumerus (and other participants in previous discussion) and myself were stuck in a content/policy dilemma that were were trying to solve. Jo-Jo Eumerus asked for self-review at AN. The AN was closed between the time I thanked Jo-Jo Eumerus for opening the AN and the posting of my message--approx 1.5 hours. Other involved editors commented. As I posted my reply in the AN, there was a message about an edit conflict. I backed up and found the AN closed so I was unable to post the response. I left a message on the talk page but he would simply not allow my comment under any circumstance User_talk:Ymblanter#Premature_AN_closure.
I felt the Jo-Jo Eumerus' comment did not remotely capture my side of the dispute and the premature closure only prevented us from resolving our policy vs content issue. My intended message at AN was (or would have been if it had not been repeatedly deleted) was simply to clarify the actual issue being reviewed at AN and to urge policy adherence. The intended edit at AN:
This is the second block this week from an involved editor. That block expired before I could even challenge it-as described at DRV. Please review it too! If unblocked, I intend to work on a sandbox draft and seek assistance to help me through the reliable sources noticeboard and/or dispute resolution.
Decline reason:
"You had enough chances to put your arguments forward. This is the end of it.
" is a reasonable response to what happened. When the community has decided that an argument has come to a conclusion, you need to let it go. Continuing past that point is disruptive, even if you're absolutely sure that everyone else is wrong. If you're going to continue arguing in other noticeboards, you won't be unblocked early.
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NinjaRobotPirate, “What happened” was the complete ignoring of policy (specifically Wp:N(E) and my challenges were a reasonable response to “what happened.” Johnvr4 ( talk) 23:46, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
@ SportingFlyer:, it looks like we’ll have to move the dev discussion here for a bit. Yes, I looked at the common name policy a few years ago. That’s actually how I came up with Summer of Love. Two local authors use the term. Two more make the Haight-Ashbury comparison. I’m open to other choices but SOL seemed the best option (to me). Some of the music content from the sandbox52 draft sources will go to Florida breaks which covers the music genre. There are other common name options for the FL genre there. Adding to the confusion, the fL breaks genre covers two distinctly different regional sounds. Orlando is where they both happened. SOL is when. Beacham Theatre has some underground content and has some content overlap (and sources) see cultural significance. Johnvr4 ( talk) 03:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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UTRS appeal #27271 was submitted on Oct 24, 2019 02:50:59. This review is now closed.
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Hi Johnvr4. I wanted to make sure that you understand that content in Wikipedia must be verifiable in reliable sources. You restored this unsourced content, but you failed to include source citations. I'm going to be trimming some additional unsourced content from the article (see talk page), and I would like to make sure that we are not in conflict on that front. Please let me know if you have any questions. - Mr X 🖋 20:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Johnvr4,
I found out by coincidence that there seems to be a confusion with the incinerator ships Vulcanus I and II. The former was used to burn the remainings of Agent Orange after the Vietnam War. You uploaded a a photo and claimed that it shows the Vulcanus I during Operation Pacer HO. As I wrote in the talk-section of the article about the ship [25], the photo is most likely not depicting the Vulcanus I. To understand my point, please compare the two photos [26] and [27]. Your photo is most likely depicting the Vulcanus II, which was built years after Operation Pacer HO in 1982. A model of the latter can be seen in this photo [28]
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Johnvr, it seems that you have a longer term goal of getting the history of how the conspiracy developed into the article. Pounding away on this book thing in a way that is garnering no support, is digging yourself a big hole. It is useful to be strategic - don't lose sight of the forest for the trees. Jytdog ( talk) 01:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
I've made some notes about my reactions to your draft at my talkpage. Honestly the article doesn't hang together as it is; there are too many barely-related subjects in it (in my view, eg there's no need for a separate section about Japanese research involvement, merely one sentence in some relevant section.) Buckshot06 (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you removed some content from
Operation Red Hat without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate
edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the
sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you!
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Why don't you split out Red Cap as a completely separate article? Happy New Year Buckshot06 (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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3RR does not apply to correcting mistakesThat's simply incorrect. Could you please self-revert and work to find someone that agrees with your viewpoints about the links? -- Ronz ( talk) 15:26, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
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Request reason:
This is excessive and the issue is currently under three separate discussions where I've asked that links not be modified until the discussion was over. Please at least unblock to continue those talk page discussions. *here:
User talk:Beetstra #edit war at Beacham Theatre *here:
ELN #Beacham Theatre *and now here:
Talk:Beacham Theatre #In line external links There is not yet even consensus about which link or links the discussion is referring to! Now not one editor will even point to a specific link of concern to discuss. My questions and requests for clarification are being ignored. The fact is that the involved editor that I reverted refused to open a talk page section at the entry and has not explained a valid position or counter-argument for his deletions. He was engaged in his own edit war which I warned him about and he violated 3RR but that is no excuse for my own violation to correct what I thought and still think is a mistake and misunderstanding of the
WP:EL policy. I was already refraining from more edits of the link materiel. My last revert was not at all related to the contested links. During the next 24 hours had I hoped to make the position obvious in further discussion. The absurd part is that the material I re-inserted is not even the same material being challenged as each link was modified to address the concerns as explained in the edit summaries! Only one or possible two of the links that the editor and others have now deleted has not been modified after the concerns were raised. The External links in the external links section that are being complained about and the links being deleted are not pointing to the same sub-page are not even to the same material as they previously were. There is no valid dispute about the updated links. These links are not controversial and comply with WP policy. The dispute was about the format of prior links and certain editors not understanding the well-established exceptions to those WP:EL policies Each link was modified per WP policy, it is justified and what was reinserted is not even the same materiel. There was no valid reason to delete the links in the first place as shown in in the edit summaries or discussions. Consensus is based on the validity of the argument rather than voting. Please consider the abnormal discussion processes that I had to use to understand and rectify such concerns and try to follow them as well as the content of the discussion in determining consensus or edit warring violations. It isn't super clear because it is now in three places and would take a lot of time to review and is very likely more than an administrator would want to deal with. Please understand this is not my fault and I was in the process of clarifying concerns when I was blocked. Now this is a catch-22 where I can't very clearly express that to other editors that I'm in discussion with or to an administrator trying to review it. Thank you for this consideration of this matter.
Johnvr4 (
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Accept reason:
I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt here. But if there is anymore re-adding challenged material w/o crystal clear consensus you will be blocked again, probably for more than 24 hrs. Ad Orientem ( talk) 23:24, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
At this point you seem unable to acknowledge that no one agrees with your perspective, and that consensus is unlikely to change. I suggest you move on, as your repeated dismissals of others' comments are difficult to see as good faith efforts to work collaboratively and constructively with other editors. --
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I am not intending to promoteI didn't intend to convey that interpretation. SOAP problems, at least those that don't result in a quick block/ban/etc, aren't about whether or not anyone is trying to promote anything but rather the difference between content that is encyclopedic in nature versus content that is "propaganda, advertising and showcasing". Sometimes it's difficult to distinguish. In this case, I'm not clear what source even verifies what related content there is in the article, so it's difficult to judge, but almost impossible to make a strong case for inclusion. -- Ronz ( talk) 17:25, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Link to external links discussion: WP:External_links/Noticeboard/Archive_19#Beacham_Theatre (closed) Johnvr4 ( talk) 18:50, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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I've reviewed every source you propose for the paragraph below, and still cannot find any mention of air defence interceptors. Which of the four sources you cite has this wording?
[2] "US military went on full alert deploying F-100 fighters armed with nuclear weapons from Kadena AB on Okinawa to Kunsan, South Korea as well as preparing for strikes against Mainland China from all bases."
[3] "With this in mind, in 1954 the U.S. brought hydrogen-bomb armed F-100 fighter-bombers to its key hub in the Pacific, Kadena Air Base in Okinawa — the first of thousands of nuclear weapons that it would station on the island before their removal in 1972 (see accompanying stories)."
[4] "1950s and 60s F-100 Super Sabre served as primary interceptor...could carry nuclear capable air-to-air missiles. Was carrying one on Jan 18, 1959 at one of four Pacific bases (&Okinawa etc.)....on a reveted hardstand...ground alert configuration...weapon on left wing"
[5] "In 1954, the U.S. brought hydrogen-bomb armed F-100 fighter-bombers to its key hub in the Pacific, Kadena Air Base in Okinawa — the first of thousands of nuclear weapons that it would station on the island before their removal in 1972." Johnvr4 ( talk) 22:35, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Discussion Moved to Talk:U.S._nuclear_weapons_in_Japan's_southern_islands#Air_defense_interceptors.2FGenie
Thunder
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).In 1954, the U.S. brought hydrogen-bomb armed F-100 fighter-bombers to its key hub in the Pacific, Kadena Air Base in Okinawa — the first of thousands of nuclear weapons that it would station on the island before their removal in 1972.
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I write to give you the opportunity to clarify this edit. Why are you calling this source dubious when you youself introduced it and cited it repeatedly, previously? Why is the paragraph I summarised now suddenly dubious? What are you writing in your edit summary about Neither Confirm Nor Deny when the issue at hand is actually the reason for weapons withdrawal from Japan (and Taiwan and the Philippines)? Please avoid introducing an anti- United States Department of Defense point of view into the article; this is forbidden by our WP:FIVEPILLARS. Buckshot06 (talk) 16:28, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
"The paragraph you cite above, "With the reversion of Okinawa" etc forms para 6 of Kristensen's article. The very next para, para 7, begins "Although nuclear weapons were removed from Okinawa in the late 1970s" which I believe substantiates the generally held belief at the time. Thus nuclear weapons were removed in 1972, it seems, though forces on Okinawa (possibly the 18 TFW) may have been held at some level of nuclear alert state for other reasons -- possibly ready to employ nuclear weapons which would have arrived during transition-to-war. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 04:20, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
"Perhaps they never left in 1972 or perhaps they were brought back after- I haven't looked for clarification. From Kristensen, some "were removed in 1972" and some were removed from Okinawa in the late 1970s. [ “Secret” 1965 Memo Reveals Plans to Keep U.S. Bases and Nuclear Weapons Options in Okinawa After Reversion Johnvr4 (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Closed. Moving to Talk:U.S. nuclear weapons in Japan's southern islands Johnvr4 ( talk) 12:09, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
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At Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/OpRedHat I have nominated your stale userpage for deletion. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 02:21, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I have deleted your sandbox under G4 because it was a copy/paste recreation of an article deleted by a correct deletion discussion. Please don't recreate it again without going through deletion review. You risk being blocked for disruptive behavior if you keep this up. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 15:43, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
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Just to try and make it crystal clear about the reasons your drafts were deleted; I may have created some misunderstanding by using the word 'stale' in when I advised you of the MfD. If I've created such confusion I do apologise. MfD says without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD while and WP:FAKEARTICLE says "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like ...your preferred version of disputed content. It was disputed content ( WP:FAKEARTICLE) that had not been sufficiently improved to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD ( WP:MfD). The result was that the drafts would not have been policy-compliant in mainspace (PMC conclusions). I'm not trying to pick a scab here, I hope by writing this that I can convey exactly why the drafts were deleted. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:39, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I have deleted the version of User:Johnvr4/sandbox you re-created a little while ago, per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 August 30. Do not recreate this. I know you disagree with the deletion decision, and you disagree with the review that decision got, but the community has spoken. If you create it again, you will be blocked from further editing. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. I have concluded that your behaviour and actions on this site are not helpful to the overall cause of improving the encyclopedia, and thus at AN/I I have requested that you be blocked. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
John, I really sincerely have no desire to see you blocked. I very rarely desire to see anyone blocked and you are no exception. But I don't know what else the community can do with regards to your total obsession with Red Hat-related topics. I feel like anything anyone says to you goes in one ear and right out the other and honestly, sadly, I expect this to be no different. At some point you have to accept the community's decision on things, even if you feel the community is wrong. The enormous amount of material in your deleted pages - it's just too much for an encyclopedia. It's sprawling and overwhelming in a way that Wikipedia articles are not supposed to be. Multiple editors have told you this across many talk pages, as well as the AfD, MfD, DRV, and now the ANI.
Your reaction every time is to say that everything is wrong with everyone else. Every time, the nominators are misrepresenting themselves, or the participants aren't reading things correctly, or the closers in each discussion failed to correctly assess consensus. But how can that possibly be the case when in every instance, particularly the MfD and the DRV, no one spoke up to keep the material or overturn the deletion aside from you? How can every closer be interpreting every consensus wrong when in every discussion, consensus was for the material to be deleted and stay deleted? How many people have to tell you something before you acknowledge that they might not all be wrong, or liars, or maliciously trying to destroy your material?
At some point you have to take a step back and sincerely ask yourself: is everyone wrong? Or am I wrong?
Now is the time to take that step back. Voluntarily take a 6-month Red Hat topic ban. Edit something else, something totally unrelated. Anything else. Species of trees. Philosophy of the Romantic era. Classic novels. Find a pet backlog and clear it. Anything. Put your boundless energy toward moving the encyclopedia forward, please. Show the community that you really are here to build an encyclopedia and let this dead horse die. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Johnvr4, as per the discussion at ANI you are hereby topic banned from contributing to or discussing articles regarding either Japan or weapons, broadly construed, anywhere on the English Wikipedia. You may choose to appeal this ban at WP:AN after six months time, which will be March 18, 2018. This ban will also be logged at Wikipedia:Editing restrictions. RickinBaltimore ( talk) 13:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi John. As RickinBaltimore previously stated, the consensus was to topic ban you from topics related to Japan or weapons, broadly construed. I wanted to go over this with you so that you don't violate your topic ban. Here is an example from the section discussing topic bans:
Now if we apply this to your topic ban of Japan and weaponry, I hope what topics are forbidden to edit or discuss is clear. This is also included on your own user page, talk page and sandboxes. Your primary edited articles like Operation Red Hat, U.S. nuclear weapons in Japan and Japan and weapons of mass destruction and other articles such as this are off-limits now. This also covers anything related to Japan, and any other kinds of weapons not discussed in those articles, which fall under the topic ban's scope. Categories, templates, WikiProjects and discussions like AFD's that have topics related to Japan or weapons, you should avoid. If someone engages you about a topic under the umbrella of your topic ban, kindly tell them you are under your editing restriction and you are unable to. If you have any questions, let me know. Regards, — Moe Epsilon 18:54, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
John, your edit to Talk:Operation Red Hat on 20 September violated your topic ban. Please do not make any further edits to articles related to either Japan or weapons, broadly construed, on the English wikipedia. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:55, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
.."Sarin was stored on Okinawa under Project Red Hat"? By your own admission in the previous statement about Okinawa being unmentioned, how is this statement even possible? There is no mention of Okinawa in the reference, so this is wrong... Regards, — Moe Epsilon 17:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC) [4]
Like I said, this is from one reference and there have been 173 references since you've began editing it. Please don't make me go through all of them and see what else you cooked up in your spare time...Regards, — Moe Epsilon 17:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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Johnvr4 ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Mea culpa: I felt the talk page edit for which I was apparently blocked was necessary. As I’ve explained, the edit was to prevent involved editors from forever deleting the pages edit history that contains the creation of the page and attribution for the editors that edited the content. Edits prior to any edits that I submitted to it are missing. These histories are apparently lost in violation of our policies and pillars. The editor who blocked me stated that "When consensus holds that your edits are not improving the encyclopedia, and when you've been banned from making such edits, invoking IAR is not a basis for doing the edits in question."
The hiding all diffs prior to my editing on that subject would show that questionable material regarding text about night operations and “of cooking up stuff in my spare time” that individual editors accused me of submitting at AfD is now concealed as well as the number of times and reasons that the page was locked, revived, deleted and revived again by the involved editor. Based upon unfounded assertions of long involved editors, there is now a negative community consensus (such as that I interpret primary sources or that "I cook stuff up in my spare time") associated with my edits which the missing history would reveal I did not submit.
I have to wonder how many times the page has been resurrected by that editor or whether anyone can tell? I wonder why that information is not reflected anywhere in the pages history. Our community has allowed perhaps even encouraged those actions by not looking at the facts or patterns of behavior that I described and topic banning me without merit. I employed IAR to prevent an even larger disruption that is described in policy because it appears to me to be absolutely against one of our community’s pillars.
No small group of involved editors can justify that there is consensus to overrule a policy nor one of our pillars. This apparently has been done numerous times to my submissions by the same editor. The issues with that page history make it impossible to discuss my situation with other involved editors with the diffs and proof that are required in such discussion. The pages history would vindicate me against further false accusations by these same editors and show that specific problems and concerns for which I was blamed that existed at AfD had been corrected prior to MfD and more importantly, that I was not the editor responsible for putting them there in the first place as has been incorrectly asserted by these editors at AfD and after.
That is why I purposely ignored the Ban.
In my view, necessity under the common law (the established law where I live) is very similar to WP:IAR. It doesn’t block an accusation nor an arrest or imprisonment. It is never a “get out of jail free card”. However, necessity defenses prevent any conviction and punishment whenever the situation was not caused by a defendant, they could not accomplish the same objective using a less offensive alternative available to them, and the problem sought to be avoided was more heinous than the unlawful act perpetrated to avoid it.
The community agrees that myself and a limited number of editors need to work together but are having a content dispute. Certain involved editors have made claims about content but have thwarted any and all procedures to rectify them. Rather that adhering to established WP policy that could determine consensus, they have raised dubious concerns and then moved every content discussion into a forum that is not set up to determine the validity of content. Consensus of the community is that Content issues should NOT be raised at ANI for the very reasons I have described.
The simple fact is that no editor was able to provide a single example of my alleged edits that were shown to not improve WP. The assertions come from a concerned editor that as I will discuss below who knew the allegations were baseless, and unfounded. These concerns were disputed by the numerous other editors at ANI who reviewed them and who provided well-founded examples (with links) to support the exact opposite opinion.
To restate, not one example has been presented of any edits that I made did not improve Wikipedia.
The community has agreed that determining consensus requires adherence to all WP policies -each of which already have community consensus. Consensus cannot be reached by ignoring our policies. Ignoring WP policy is the definition of Local consensus.
It is impossible to discuss the my WP Block without discussing the (overly broad) Topic Ban (of “Weapons” and “Japan”).
The first edit to that talk page was prior to me knowing about the ban. My second edit explained my first and a third edit explained my second.
At MfD, the nominator falsely claimed that my draft material was
However, each one of those assertions was disproved in later discussions and both involved editors knew very well (here as one example) that the sandbox material had been condensed by 1/3 and was being condensed by another 1/3 before it was deleted. Nevertheless, they and others continued to make the assertion that it had not been condensed.
In closing she said that, “No policy argument has been raised for keeping this. Info was rightly deleted at AfD years ago as it is a huge mess of information unrelated to the actual topic, and has never been improved such that it would be policy-compliant in mainspace. We're not a webhost for deleted content so it's time for this to go.” ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:06, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
It is clear that not one of the concerns raised at MfD actually applied to or was directed at my sandbox draft-which had been reedited and condensed into new articles over the last six months to comply with the concerns of the nominating editor!
User_talk:Premeditated_Chaos/Archive_11#Deletion_of_userspace_material “I agree with the nominator and the other two participants that the problems that caused the material to be deleted in mainspace are still present in the userfied copy, and my close specifically reflects that with the statement that the draft had not been improved such that it would be policy-compliant in mainspace.” PMC♠ (talk) 03:31, 26 August 2017
As you can see above, the closing editor spoke ONLY of the Userfied copy however, she deleted BOTH the userfied Copy AND my updated sandbox draft. Then she would not clarify any of the perceptions she had about my sandbox draft (contrary to all evidence) in order for me to go forward as her concerns as were applied to my sandbox draft made no sense.
Closure review DRV of JohnVR4 userspace Sandbox drafts “Ignoring the WP:WALLOFTEXT from the nom, there's strong consensus here to endorse the deletion of these stale user drafts. – -- RoySmith (talk) August_30”
It appears that the closer at Deletion Review commented that both drafts were deleted under STALE despite the diffs that showed that My sandbox had been recently edited only 1.5 hours prior to its nomination for deletion as stale or any other application of WP policy – a fact which no editor can argue against!
Quality arguments that are put forth in order to determine consensus- cannot be ignored- which is the reason I feel that we are here. As shown, my Sandbox was edited with additional sources only 1.5 hours before it was was nominated at MfD as WP:STALE. I am not sure which part of the WP:STALE WP policy allows the complete deletion of my sandbox with 170 references without any discussion of content. MfD after a 5 month break and only 1.5 hours after the last edit that improved it with additional sources. I am unsure why I am sanctioned for editing in my sandbox or talk page. The deletion of my sandbox without any ability for me to edit the material was effectively a topic ban after MfD. I see no valid explanation of how that can happen yet that is precisely how my sandbox draft was deleted, repeatedly. MfD looked to be simply a vote or WP:VAGUEWAVE of mostly involved editors.
Therefore, I asked for a review of the MfD determination for specific reasons and every single one of those quality policy arguments (yes, the format was all off) were purposefully ignored by the closer. That is also the reason I ignored the Mfd deletion of my sandbox which I can assume was one reason for the ban (I am unclear how that vote for a ban happened when my power was out for a week that ignored all of the quality arguments in opposition to it.)
I was nominated for the ban by an editor trying resolve really absurd content issues that he cannot overcome in any other way.
There was a content dispute with a deeply involved nominating editor who uses vague policy waves and an utter refusal to review sources to justify battleground editing and has given up on BRD. He removes sourced content to insert his POV. I have had a lot of difficulty with this behavior and it has generated tons of unnecessary discussion to try and fix. The behavior can be described as tendentious editing as shown below.
Instead, my edits are deleted and challenged and endless discussion and countless meritless concerns materialize from thin air followed by the editors refusal to participate in further discussion while he goes to battle over that one word that is clearly present in the source to everyone but him. This has made it impossible to listen to or work with him.
I’ve re-added disputed text based on discussions under [unexplained removal of sourced content] but the editor has even removed the source entirely and continues to remove the sourced text. This has resulted in an apparent Edit war based solely upon his entirely faulty assertions that these words are not in our sources.
There may some type of a mental illness at work here. The disruption on this page over six months is 100% being caused by the involved editor who nominated my submissions for deletion and then nominated to block me.
From that source (It's from Japan Times- ): “The document shows that the area off the U.S. Marine Corps’ Camp Schwab in the Henoko district on the east coast of Nago was most suitable for the offshore base, taking into account Okinawa’s geography and weather conditions. It suggested building an offshore landfill facility with a 3,000-meter runway, a large military port and an integrated ammunition bunker capable of storing nuclear weapons.” Discussion: Talk:U.S._nuclear_weapons_in_Japan#Henoko.2F_Schwab.2F_Hansen.2F_nuke_depot.2F_and_relocation_plan
Here the involved editor exclaims with asterisks and double exclamation points, “*The Sources Do Not State!!*” and makes edits to remove the sourced text.
“Neither mentions the words 'Camp Schwab'. We run with WP:V here, and I am *strictly* paring you back to the details mentioned in the sources you cite. You appear to have a tendency to add material that isn't actually in the cited sources -- evident all the way back to the 2013 deletion debate. If you're going to add primary-source material so heavily, you need to stick quite closely to the sources and not infer or WP:SYNTH from them. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 04:14, 26 March 2017 (UTC)”
07:05, 19 March 2017 (b) new secret depot sentences not sourced [5]
18:53, 9 April 2017 remove discussions about base moves long after nuclear weapons removed [6]
Any editor can that look at U.S. Nuclear weapons in Japan PAGE HISTORY to see how much sourced content being deleted by that editor and every bit of it seems to be done with dubious reasoning.
Our dispute(s) seemed to mostly resolve around A source that I have asked repeatedly to be reviewed by that editor. The editor refuses to review the sources and battles over the content.
ANY other WP editor can easily verify this information or the presence of a single word in that source on page 6-7 in less than 10 seconds. http://www.nukestrat.com/us/CDI_BrokenArrowMonitor1981.pdf
Yet that editor time after time would refused to look once at the source!
No editor can legitimately argue that the Pacific base incident (possibly Okinawa) is not verifiable on pages 6-7 in that source!’’
Discussion: Talk:U.S._nuclear_weapons_in_Japan#Original_research.3F_.2F_synthesis.3F_removed.2C_failure_to_WP:BRD.3F discussion He will not discuss his concern except to tell me to quit flogging a dead horse! the pages history 03:44, 20 September 2017 -remove incident that is not proven to have occurred in Okinawa [7]
10:46, 7 August 2017 removal of incident that is not proven to be associated with Okinawa - WP:V [8]
04:14, 7 April 2017 considering WP:V, this para cannot be included, at least in this form [9]
05:00, 20 March 2017 remove incident that cannot be definitively linked to Okinawa [10]
07:06, 19 March 2017 should not have this here if it's not clearly re Okinawa [11]
07:10, 18 March 2017 remove F-100 incident; no clear evidence was on Okinawa; [12]
No editor can legitimately argue that the word INTERCEPTOR is not in that source!’’
17:22, 19 March 2017 remove text about nuclear-armed interceptors, which does not appear to be cited; remove F-100 incident which cannot be conclusively linked to Okinawa); [13]
07:05, 19 March 2017 air defence interceptors not sourced [14]
07:20, 18 March 2017 remove this sentence; can't find 'air defense interceptors' in any of the refs [15]
17:16, 18 March 2017 neither source mentions Genie missiles [17] etc.
“The motivation behind the NCND was the increasing need to fend off queries from foreign governments – rather than protecting against terrorists and Soviet military planning, as was later claimed by U.S. officials. The new policy soon became an important factor in the U.S approach to the security treaty negotiations with Japan." and
"Beyond the willingness of the Japanese and U.S. governments to “turn a blind eye” to the violation of Japan’s nuclear ban, it was the Neither Confirm Nor Deny policy that more than anything made the deceit possible. While officially intended to protect the ship against terrorists and complicate enemy military planning, the policy really served as a smoke-screen under which U.S. Navy warships could get access to foreign ports regardless of the nuclear policy of the host country.
Given those quotes, No editor can legitimately argue that a mid-1970s terror threat report was the purpose of the 1950 NCND policy from that source! (Nor can the perceived threat in a 1974 report be tied to the removal from Okinawa which was planned around 1969 and executed by 1973)’’
“When I file the AN/I over your WP:OR, WP:PRIMARYSOURCES reliance, WP:POV, WP:OWN, WP:SYNTH, and battleground reverting editing, you will be notified, in accordance with policy. In my considered opinion, you should be writing research pieces for publication that allow you to state polemics, not trying to operate on a site that is supposed to be neutral. Buckshot06 (talk) 04:44, 2 April 2017 (UTC)”
If my editing was so problematic then then has not one single example of any of my edits containing WP:OR, WP:PRIMARYSOURCES interpretation, WP:POV, WP:OWN, WP:SYNTH, as alleged at MfD or ANI and why is that editor the only one removing well-sourced content that I added to the main space? (I think I've seen once case where an editor asked for a better sourced)
What does one editor do when an administrators or a group of administrators will not read the source and wants to ridiculously edit war over solidly verified content and turn what should be a kindergarten level content dispute into an ANI concern about my behavior?
I have been temporarily blocked in the past. Each time this happens, no one figures out until long after I’m blamed and sanctioned that I was in fact correct. This was the case with my first block where a tight group of editors were actively abusing a source and repeatedly reinserted text over a period of years that came directly from a conspiracy web site [19]. They also misrepresented that source by ignoring text about the 1990s origin in order to remove it at RSN [20]. That happened. No editor can argue that was not the case. I wear the experience proudly should any editor want to look at it again. I know I’m right about this content (and the presence of a single word) being in the source and there is simply no amount arguments that can ever surmount it. I know ANY editor can look at and see that I’m right but to date, they will not do it and those involved are not willing to further embarrass themselves in a RfC or content discussion. For this, I get blocked because some editors made baseless assertions that are believed by lots of other editors without the slightest glance at the source, diff, quote, evidence, etc or anything else.
“In forums such as ANI content is not usually reviewed and is typically ignored from discussion.” [Which I didn’t know until now...]
I am now topic banned and cannot present nor discuss a single issue!
It is past the proper time for other administrators to review my valid arguments, and the assertions with evidence and diffs. Ignoring them or validating an editors meritless concerns under a guise of consensus will be challenged per WP policy whether it is now or in six months!
Wikipedia Policy says my edits are not disruptive but his seem to be. “While notable minority opinions are welcome when verifiable through reliable sources, and constructive editors occasionally make mistakes, sometimes a Wikipedia editor creates long-term problems by persistently editing a page or set of pages with information which is not verifiable through reliable sources or insisting on giving undue weight to a minority view.”
Decline reason:
This unblock request is 4,300 words long. That's absolutely ludicrous and totally inappropriate. It's one to two orders of magnitude too long. You are blocked for violating your topic ban. Show you did not violate your topic ban. Everything else is irrelevant. In particular, this is not the place to argue your topic ban should never have been placed. In particular, this is not the place to discuss the actions of others. The only thing relevant here is whether or not you violated your topic ban. Yamla ( talk) 19:24, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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Note in addition to my decline, above, I have also verified that Johnvr4 did indeed violate his topic ban. Furthermore, he sited WP:IAR, so knew perfectly well he was violating the topic ban. A six month ban is entirely appropriate here and is, in my opinion, the best (that is, the shortest) this user can hope for. -- Yamla ( talk) 19:26, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Please repair the format of my previous highly relevant request so It can at least be read. That is not the condition I left it in.
@ Yamla Can you verify the faulty reasoning that led to my topic ban in light of the diffs, quotes, and source information that I provided above? Johnvr4 ( talk) 18:59, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Mea culpa: I felt the talk page edit for which I was apparently blocked was necessary. As I’ve explained, the edit was to prevent involved editors from forever deleting the pages edit history that contains the creation of the page and attribution for the editors that edited the content. Edits prior to any edits that I submitted to it are missing. These histories are apparently lost in violation of our policies and pillars and should not be ignored.
The editor who blocked me stated that "When consensus holds that your edits are not improving the encyclopedia, and when you've been banned from making such edits, invoking IAR is not a basis for doing the edits in question."
The hiding all diffs prior to my editing on that subject would show that questionable material regarding text about night operations and “of cooking up stuff in my spare time” that individual editors accused me of submitting at AfD is now concealed as well as the number of times and reasons that the page was locked, revived, deleted and revived again by the involved editor.
Based upon unfounded assertions of long involved editors, there is now a negative community consensus (such as that I interpret primary sources or that "I cook stuff up in my spare time") associated with my edits which the missing history would reveal I did not submit. Our community has allowed perhaps even encouraged those actions by not looking at the facts or patterns of behavior that I described and topic banning me without merit.
I employed IAR to prevent an even larger disruption that is described in policy because it appears to me to be absolutely against one of our community’s pillars. No small group of involved editors can justify that there is consensus to overrule a policy nor one of our pillars.
This apparently has been done numerous times to my submissions by the same editor. The issues with that page history make it impossible to discuss my situation with other involved editors with the diffs and proof that are required in such discussion. The pages history would vindicate me against further false accusations by these same editors and show that specific problems and concerns for which I was blamed that existed at AfD had been corrected prior to MfD and more importantly, that I was not the editor responsible for putting them there in the first place as has been incorrectly asserted by these editors at AfD and after. The restoration is only opposed by the involved editor above and the editor who accused me of cooking stuff up in my spare time and I responded to them in apparent violation of an unwarranted topic ban. It is impossible to discuss the Block without discussing the topic ban and the deletion of my sandbox. I am really tired of Lazy editors using TLDR and Wall of text excuses to ignore quality arguments. I often ignore decisions made where arguments are ignored.
That is why I purposely ignored the Ban. In my view, necessity under the common law (the established law where I live) is very similar to WP:IAR. It doesn’t block an accusation nor an arrest or imprisonment. It is never a “get out of jail free card”. However, necessity defenses prevent any conviction and punishment whenever the situation was not caused by a defendant, they could not accomplish the same objective using a less offensive alternative available to them, and the problem sought to be avoided was more heinous than the unlawful act perpetrated to avoid it. Johnvr4 ( talk) 20:56, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Decline reason:
We all understand that you felt those edits were necessary. If you hadn't thought them necessary, you wouldn't have made them. However, the community has found that your edits regarding those topics are so problematic that you were banned from those topics. You can, of course, disagree with the community on the quality of your edits, but you don't get to ignore that decision. Your rationale here makes it exceedingly likely that you would continue to violate your topic ban if you were unblocked. Thus the block should remain in place to enforce the topic ban. Huon ( talk) 22:30, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
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@ Huon (or Beyond My Ken, or Nyttend, or RickinBaltimore), Consensus is in policy, and quality arguments are given merit-not simple votes, nor ad hominem arguments, nor vagewaves at our policies. I felt there was a disruption to WP that was larger than my ban. I do not intend to argue for anything other than removal of block and topic the ban and restoration of my sandbox prior to six months. I do not feel that I should need to wait six months to appeal. Can you help me determine which of my edits you felt the community found fault with? Which policy did I break with addition of the two sources to my sandbox that ended in a topic ban and 6 month block? I am still very unclear on all of it and I'm not not at all sure where to go to clarify it. I made the quality argument above and in in my last unblock request that the community did not find fault with any of my edits. That quality argument was also put forth at ANI by others such as Mr rnddude and no recent incriminating edits that I made or NOTHERE evidence have been submitted for community review to date.
The cause of my problems stem from one editor with a demonstrated incompetence to see one word in a source. This was looked at by and confirmed at ANI (again by Mr rnddude) and there is/was no amount of further commenting or community consensus that can possibly overcome that well-founded observation. The argument is airtight and it simply is insurmountable by anyone who looks at those diffs. There is a content dispute with one editor who has demonstrated that he simply can't verify a single word in a reliable source, who will not hesitate to go to war over and over again. It is the same editor involved in resurrecting the page, the same editor whose concerns I have been trying to alleviate for over 6 months, the same editor who nominated my draft for deletion, the same editor who nominated me for a block, and the same editor who brought me forth for a ban after my last edit, the same editor hounding me and the same editor who states that this issue still needs to be resolved.
I agree with him the issue needs to be resolved but policy consensus is that ANI is not the place to go to resolve it and quality arguments stating that were out forth there and no counter argument was put forth to challenge it. I don't believe that A block or topic ban is resolution regarding the content. The content problems remain. I don't believe a single member of the community would agree with that editor given the section above titled, The issue to be resolved submitted in my previous unblock request. There is a plethora of diffs that demonstrate the problem of not looking at the source is THE ISSUE that the community cannot ignore or deny is the root of our content dispute problem. The words are verifiable in the cited source and no arguments by an infinite numbers of editors can ever overcome the merit of the argument stating that simple fact. The words are in the sources. If there was such an editor out there who contests that view, I would say it is very likely strong proof they are incompetent too. Johnvr4 ( talk) 03:11, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I warned you repeatedly about reading and verifying our sources! Spectacularly, in your effort to correct me, you have only succeeded at insulting yourself. You raised the concern of MY POV and justified your own utterly faulty and repetitive edits citing your "strong views" and "advanced degrees". "And I have advanced degrees, so would be generally expected to be able to follow complex arguments." You were expected simply to Read the source and were asked to do that repeatedly! You apparently were wholly unable to follow that complexity and instead you posted a ridiculous message to my talk page (which I deleted). Given your repeated bogus assertions in using that source, the edit to my talk page appeared to be an exercise in absurdity which I wanted zero part of. If you took my reply to Nick-D as some personal attack then you should never had used that fact to support your own POV and failure to read our sources. Or respond. Or discuss. Or follow. Or understand. Would you agree that you abused that source, then refused to read it further for verification and that responding to your message on my talk page would just be a waste of my time? (for emphasis): "Every one of these concerns are real, now, and valid. User:Nick-D, would you disagree? ... OR, POV, and sourcing errors (like trying to keep pure allegations in the article) destroy your credibility when you're trying to contribute here!! " quoting [4] You have destroyed your own credibility all by yourself. The credibility destroying editing behavior is not all contained entirely in those alleged Terrorist threat links above either. Here is another example where simply verifying a source was entirely too complex for you... which resulted in yet another edit war and me having to hold your hand and then spoon feed you the sources that you claimed you had already reviewed- and which were already all over WP!! see: Talk:U.S._nuclear_weapons_in_Japan# Air_defense_interceptors.2FGenie Johnvr4 (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
User:AustralianRupert I don't want to offend anyone but can you verify the accuracy of the statements above regarding blatant untruths, vs. simple mistakes as the characterization of these statements is the entirety of the evidence provided in my topic ban.
user:RickinBaltimore Can, please explain why
this topic ban was placed in effect given the fact that that each previous assertion on which it is based that was made by involved editors Buckshot06 and Nick-D has been proven faulty and was based entirely upon their apparent errors. All comments in agreement at MfD and ANI with them should be thrown out as void. How consensus in this case was reached needs to be re-evaluated or explained.
The alleged Edit warring and Alleged battle ground behavior was based entirely upon Buckshot06's inability to verify single words in sources as shown in his edits on the page in question. The alleged NotHere behavior complaint was based entirely upon Buckshot06s ineptitude and Nick-Ds errors as shown above. The MfD that resulted in deletion of my sandbox draft was faulty and was based entirely upon faulty and false assertions by Buckshot06 and Nick-D (as well as PMC). I have serious reservations regarding exactly how consensus was reached at MfD by PMC, at DRV by User:RoySmith, and at ANI by RickinBaltimore. This message is left in accord with WP:BANX and answers to these questions may be sent to Arbcom if necessary.
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Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Johnvr4". The reason given for Johnvr4's block is: "Intentionally violating a topic ban". The Topic Ban determination was entirely faulty. Reason: The ANI discussion requires the new diff evidence above to legitimately determine consensus. [[WP:BANX]]
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Request reason:
The Topic Ban determination was entirely faulty. The ANI discussion requires relisting and the new diff evidence above to legitimately determine consensus in this dispute. WP:BANX The evidence would show that Buckshot06's WP:TE and inability to verify sources is the root of what he alleges is my battle ground editing and he purposefully lied in nominating my user space draft for deletion. I refuse to listen to his obviously faulty assertions (or proven lies) and the community apparently has sanctioned me for that. Johnvr4 ( talk) 15:29, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Disagreeing with your topic ban does not give you the right to simply ignore it. Making personal attacks on others is not the way to get yourself unblocked - and it will probably lose you the ability to edit this talk page if it continues. Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 16:35, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
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I suggest that TPA be removed for the duration on the block, making personal attacks as Buckshot06 points out above and uncounted time wasted on a user who is not getting it, but is enjoying placing unblock request and walls of text and feeding on replies. - FlightTime ( open channel) 15:44, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
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UTRS appeal #19645 was submitted on Nov 04, 2017 13:57:19. This review is now closed.
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UTRS appeal #19707 was submitted on Nov 07, 2017 15:33:34. This review is now closed.
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UTRS appeal #19713 was submitted on Nov 08, 2017 04:18:35. This review is now closed.
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Agreed. Johnvr4 ( talk) 02:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I've responded in the RFU thread already. You are misunderstanding a bit: the original article wasn't deleted on the grounds that it was an inherently "non-notable" thing, it was deleted on the grounds that it was a badly-written article that failed to demonstrate whether the topic was notable or not. It literally just stated that "Orlando's Summer of Love" was a thing that existed, and didn't even attempt to explain what it actually was — so there was no way to notability-test it at all, because there was no real content to evaluate against any of our notability standards.
The fact that the old article was deleted does not mean we have to overturn the original deletion before you're allowed to try again, however — that's not how our deletion rules actually work. If you can write an article that actually has some substance to it, and is thus better than the first version was, then you're totally allowed to do that. We've got a lot of articles where a bad early version got deleted, but then something happened later on that changed the notability equation: new notability achievements that weren't true yet the first time, improved sourcing that didn't exist or hadn't been found yet the first time, and on and so forth. We've even got articles where I was both the deletion nominator of the first version and the creator of the second one. The fact that a bad version got deleted before doesn't mean it can never have an article — if you can write a better article than the first version, then absolutely bring it on, and we don't have to undelete the bad first version before you're allowed to do that. Bearcat ( talk) 15:40, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Jo-Jo Eumerus (and other participants in previous discussion) and myself were stuck in a content/policy dilemma that were were trying to solve. Jo-Jo Eumerus asked for self-review at AN. The AN was closed between the time I thanked Jo-Jo Eumerus for opening the AN and the posting of my message--approx 1.5 hours. Other involved editors commented. As I posted my reply in the AN, there was a message about an edit conflict. I backed up and found the AN closed so I was unable to post the response. I left a message on the talk page but he would simply not allow my comment under any circumstance User_talk:Ymblanter#Premature_AN_closure.
I felt the Jo-Jo Eumerus' comment did not remotely capture my side of the dispute and the premature closure only prevented us from resolving our policy vs content issue. My intended message at AN was (or would have been if it had not been repeatedly deleted) was simply to clarify the actual issue being reviewed at AN and to urge policy adherence. The intended edit at AN:
This is the second block this week from an involved editor. That block expired before I could even challenge it-as described at DRV. Please review it too! If unblocked, I intend to work on a sandbox draft and seek assistance to help me through the reliable sources noticeboard and/or dispute resolution.
Decline reason:
"You had enough chances to put your arguments forward. This is the end of it.
" is a reasonable response to what happened. When the community has decided that an argument has come to a conclusion, you need to let it go. Continuing past that point is disruptive, even if you're absolutely sure that everyone else is wrong. If you're going to continue arguing in other noticeboards, you won't be unblocked early.
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NinjaRobotPirate, “What happened” was the complete ignoring of policy (specifically Wp:N(E) and my challenges were a reasonable response to “what happened.” Johnvr4 ( talk) 23:46, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
@ SportingFlyer:, it looks like we’ll have to move the dev discussion here for a bit. Yes, I looked at the common name policy a few years ago. That’s actually how I came up with Summer of Love. Two local authors use the term. Two more make the Haight-Ashbury comparison. I’m open to other choices but SOL seemed the best option (to me). Some of the music content from the sandbox52 draft sources will go to Florida breaks which covers the music genre. There are other common name options for the FL genre there. Adding to the confusion, the fL breaks genre covers two distinctly different regional sounds. Orlando is where they both happened. SOL is when. Beacham Theatre has some underground content and has some content overlap (and sources) see cultural significance. Johnvr4 ( talk) 03:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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UTRS appeal #27271 was submitted on Oct 24, 2019 02:50:59. This review is now closed.
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Hi Johnvr4. I wanted to make sure that you understand that content in Wikipedia must be verifiable in reliable sources. You restored this unsourced content, but you failed to include source citations. I'm going to be trimming some additional unsourced content from the article (see talk page), and I would like to make sure that we are not in conflict on that front. Please let me know if you have any questions. - Mr X 🖋 20:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Johnvr4,
I found out by coincidence that there seems to be a confusion with the incinerator ships Vulcanus I and II. The former was used to burn the remainings of Agent Orange after the Vietnam War. You uploaded a a photo and claimed that it shows the Vulcanus I during Operation Pacer HO. As I wrote in the talk-section of the article about the ship [25], the photo is most likely not depicting the Vulcanus I. To understand my point, please compare the two photos [26] and [27]. Your photo is most likely depicting the Vulcanus II, which was built years after Operation Pacer HO in 1982. A model of the latter can be seen in this photo [28]
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