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There is a problem

For South Korea, it says there is no soviergenty dispute, even though it’s not reconized by North Korea. Blackmamba31248 ( talk) 00:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

A result of this edit. This is likely related to the media hype surrounding their recent constitutional change, which some media claimed was recognition. CMD ( talk) 01:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Well, it’s not really a recognition. This is this like saying Isreal reconizes Palestine because they are Enemies. Blackmamba31248 ( talk) 01:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
I would agree, and agree with reverting absent better sourcing. It was an idea that did spread a bit as these things can, even if not fully supported. CMD ( talk) 02:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Denmark's link is wrong

The entry on this page for Denmark links to the page for Metropolitan Denmark, although it should link to the Kingdom of Denmark article. MossW268 ( talk) 20:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I agree. The sovereign state is the Kingdom. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 22:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I've changed it. The link now points to the Kingdom, not the constituent country. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 20:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Questions

So, it said the criteria is tó edit this article is tó have an account over 30 days old with 500 edits, but it’s not extra protected. Second of all, Afghanistan’s flag is missing, and when í went tó add it, it said that the flag is suppossed tó nót be there, and it talked about more info, there was no link.. Blackmamba31248 ( talk) 01:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

It says "The situation is explained in the further information column", and further information column is right after it which contains "The de facto ruling government, the   Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, has not been recognised by any state. The United Nations continues to recognise the   Islamic Republic of Afghanistan as the government of Afghanistan. [1] [2]" Svito3 ( talk) 01:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
There's a very large banner near the top of this talk page. Remsense 01:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Map?

Example map

Can we get a map, like the one I've added to the right, into the article? The comment in the article says, "Please discuss at talk before adding a map here. There are neutrality issues to resolve.", and I believe the attached map resolves such issues, as it shows borders of all countries listed in the article, with non-UN states shown in red. The map may still need some updating, as it is from 2012, but overall, it suits the article. Any thoughts on this idea? '''[[ User:CanonNi]]''' ( talk| contribs) 08:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The two things that I notice are that Artsakh no longer exists, and Palestine should be coloured yellow. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 22:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Alphabetisation of the Koreas

I've noticed that North and South Korea have been alphabetised as "North Korea" and "South Korea", not "Korea, North" and "Korea, South". This goes against the results of a prior discussion where it was decided that, since they're not officially called North and South Korea, they should be listed as starting with "K". I think they should be changed accordingly. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 12:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

/info/en/?search=Talk:List_of_sovereign_states/Archive_15#Koreas_and_Congos As of this discussion around two years ago, the status quo seemed to be to have the Koreas listed under "K". I can't find when it was changed since then. Horse Eye's Back, would you mind explaining why you reverted my edit? It seemed to be the best thing to keep the article consistent (especially with the two Congos) and (unless there's something I've missed) it was the most recently agreed upon consensus. But if I was too eager, I apologise. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 17:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

What you do is change the {{ sortname}} of the table cell, but not the name actually displayed. Remsense 17:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I agree with Remsense, sort them differently but don't change the order of the name Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 18:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ok, thanks.

One question, though, here's the code for the DRC: |<span id="Democratic Republic of the Congo"></span>'''{{flag|Democratic Republic of the Congo|name=Congo, Democratic Republic of the}}'''

And here's my code for North Korea: |<span id="North Korea"></span>'''{{flag|North Korea|name=Korea, North}}'''

And the other entries that are sorted differently to their name have the same syntax. Is there some hidden difference between these two that I'm not aware of, or are they actually the same? TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 18:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I think I'm a bit out of my depth here. I'm not sure how to change the sort name without changing the actual name. I'd appreciate someone else having a look at it. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 20:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  1. ^ "Taliban announce new government for Afghanistan". BBC News. 7 September 2021.
  2. ^ "U.N. Seats Denied, for Now, to Afghanistan's Taliban and Myanmar's Junta". The New York Times. 1 December 2021.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Former featured listList of sovereign states is a former featured list. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page and why it was removed. If it has improved again to featured list standard, you may renominate the article to become a featured list.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 22, 2006 Featured list candidatePromoted
November 29, 2008 Featured list removal candidateDemoted
March 3, 2009 Featured list candidateNot promoted
July 16, 2011 Articles for deletionKept
March 12, 2012 Featured list candidateNot promoted
Current status: Former featured list


There is a problem

For South Korea, it says there is no soviergenty dispute, even though it’s not reconized by North Korea. Blackmamba31248 ( talk) 00:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

A result of this edit. This is likely related to the media hype surrounding their recent constitutional change, which some media claimed was recognition. CMD ( talk) 01:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Well, it’s not really a recognition. This is this like saying Isreal reconizes Palestine because they are Enemies. Blackmamba31248 ( talk) 01:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply
I would agree, and agree with reverting absent better sourcing. It was an idea that did spread a bit as these things can, even if not fully supported. CMD ( talk) 02:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Denmark's link is wrong

The entry on this page for Denmark links to the page for Metropolitan Denmark, although it should link to the Kingdom of Denmark article. MossW268 ( talk) 20:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I agree. The sovereign state is the Kingdom. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 22:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I've changed it. The link now points to the Kingdom, not the constituent country. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 20:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Questions

So, it said the criteria is tó edit this article is tó have an account over 30 days old with 500 edits, but it’s not extra protected. Second of all, Afghanistan’s flag is missing, and when í went tó add it, it said that the flag is suppossed tó nót be there, and it talked about more info, there was no link.. Blackmamba31248 ( talk) 01:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

It says "The situation is explained in the further information column", and further information column is right after it which contains "The de facto ruling government, the   Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, has not been recognised by any state. The United Nations continues to recognise the   Islamic Republic of Afghanistan as the government of Afghanistan. [1] [2]" Svito3 ( talk) 01:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply
There's a very large banner near the top of this talk page. Remsense 01:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Map?

Example map

Can we get a map, like the one I've added to the right, into the article? The comment in the article says, "Please discuss at talk before adding a map here. There are neutrality issues to resolve.", and I believe the attached map resolves such issues, as it shows borders of all countries listed in the article, with non-UN states shown in red. The map may still need some updating, as it is from 2012, but overall, it suits the article. Any thoughts on this idea? '''[[ User:CanonNi]]''' ( talk| contribs) 08:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The two things that I notice are that Artsakh no longer exists, and Palestine should be coloured yellow. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 22:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Alphabetisation of the Koreas

I've noticed that North and South Korea have been alphabetised as "North Korea" and "South Korea", not "Korea, North" and "Korea, South". This goes against the results of a prior discussion where it was decided that, since they're not officially called North and South Korea, they should be listed as starting with "K". I think they should be changed accordingly. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 12:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

/info/en/?search=Talk:List_of_sovereign_states/Archive_15#Koreas_and_Congos As of this discussion around two years ago, the status quo seemed to be to have the Koreas listed under "K". I can't find when it was changed since then. Horse Eye's Back, would you mind explaining why you reverted my edit? It seemed to be the best thing to keep the article consistent (especially with the two Congos) and (unless there's something I've missed) it was the most recently agreed upon consensus. But if I was too eager, I apologise. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 17:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

What you do is change the {{ sortname}} of the table cell, but not the name actually displayed. Remsense 17:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I agree with Remsense, sort them differently but don't change the order of the name Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 18:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Ok, thanks.

One question, though, here's the code for the DRC: |<span id="Democratic Republic of the Congo"></span>'''{{flag|Democratic Republic of the Congo|name=Congo, Democratic Republic of the}}'''

And here's my code for North Korea: |<span id="North Korea"></span>'''{{flag|North Korea|name=Korea, North}}'''

And the other entries that are sorted differently to their name have the same syntax. Is there some hidden difference between these two that I'm not aware of, or are they actually the same? TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 18:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I think I'm a bit out of my depth here. I'm not sure how to change the sort name without changing the actual name. I'd appreciate someone else having a look at it. TheLegendofGanon ( talk) 20:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

  1. ^ "Taliban announce new government for Afghanistan". BBC News. 7 September 2021.
  2. ^ "U.N. Seats Denied, for Now, to Afghanistan's Taliban and Myanmar's Junta". The New York Times. 1 December 2021.

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