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Some of the cells in the rightmost column contain 5-10 lines, and that makes the table dfficult to read. I propose that the rightmost column is deleted. (The information is available on the wikipages for the individual metropolitan areas)
The correct information can be found at http://www.census.gov/popest/data/metro/totals/2012/ Someone has moved Denver way up the list for some reason. A lot of smaller cities have been moved up the list also. Someone please correct this and add a moderator to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.43.255.235 ( talk) 22:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
20141020 Yes.. it is surely substantially in error. Needs to be fixed and is misleading the CSA populations for both Phila and Dallas Fort Worth are way high for 2012. There is new 2013 data and it needs to be added (which would correct the erroneous data in the article). Signed: Concerned about accuracy
Someone screwed up the rankings and data on this page. Please compare it to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas and correct it. Thanks 66.116.62.178 ( talk) 14:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
I updated the titles of all 929 metropolitan and micropolitan area of the United States and Puerto Rico to bring them into compliance with the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic_names). The titles of the linked articles may differ from these conforming metropolitan and micropolitan area titles. Yours aye, Buaidh 18:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
What's the deal with there being two San Franciscos...one of which is a broken link, the other of which isn't numbered (Riverside also isn't numbered). Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 02:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Phoenix metro seems to be missing. Elsewhere wikipedia says it should be 12th in size... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spspinella ( talk • contribs) 12:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC) This list has the Fargo-Moorhead metro as being larger than Sioux Falls...but the following link shows otherwise (the official link to US Census Bureau estimates). [1] What other data is being used here? If it's the Fargo-Moorhead CSA, then there is a separate page for CSAs.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recent discussions at Talk:Pensacola metropolitan area and Talk:Brunswick, Georgia metropolitan area have highlighted the fact that there's no agreed-upon naming convention for articles about US metropolitan areas; the focus of the debate is whether or not these article titles should include the state name, for disambiguation purposes. That is, to take Brunswick as an example, should the article be titled:
Usually, disambiguation tags are only necessary when two or more articles share the same name, but articles on US settlements are a long-standing exception to this rule (see WP:USPLACE). This is one of the main arguments in favour of including the state name; another is that the un-disambiguated title may confuse readers outside the US. Arguments against the state name are that it's an awkward and clunky addition, and results in a name used by few, if any, third-party sources. (I'm trying to summarise past discussions fairly, let me know if anyone feels misrepresented). So, the question is...
Should US metropolitan area article titles include a state name, even when no disambiguation is strictly necessary? DoctorKubla ( talk) 20:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, let's try the Google test, taking Miami and Milwaukee as semi-random examples (bearing in mind that Google always claims to have found thousands of results; you have to click through to the last page to see the real figure).
I'd call that clear evidence in favour of omitting the state name. DoctorKubla ( talk) 20:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
In accordance with that, I agree that it'd be fine for cities like Miami and Milwaukee (which DoctorKubla cites in his Google test above) to have the state name dropped from their metropolitan area articles, since the articles for the city are just titled Miami and Milwaukee. However, when you go further down the list I don't see the same thing occurring. For example:
Numbers here (2.9) don't match the subpages (2.2).
I noticed that this article uses CSAs to rank the metro areas. I wonder why this decision was made? I have a slight bit of experience with the Sun Belt article, which has a ranking of largest metro areas in the sun belt that now uses MSAs and not CSAs. I question whether this is optimal because I live in SF and it seems to me that virtually everyone here would consider SF and San Jose to be in the same metro area, even though they're in different MSAs. I feel like there might be other metro areas where the MSA is under inclusive, too. But someone at the Sun Belt article said it's weird to put Baltimore and DC in the same metro area, which is what the CSA does. But I can't seem to really find any wiki-guidance on which statistical measure (a different one altogether?) should be used for general metro-area-ranking purposes. AgnosticAphid talk 03:07, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
The US Census Bureau has updated the numbers for 2014 for all metro areas. (link) Table needs to be updated. 24.248.216.135 ( talk) 17:39, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
/The beautiful peoples +ty pips 8Dirtdevil8 ( talk) 02:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
This is a list of Combined Statistical Areas, MSAs and muSAs are different lists. MSAs (and muSAs occasionally) are apart of CSAs.
Update: User Vmanjr removed disputed tag with following explanation, "metropolitan areas are defined by the US Census Bureau, which is the definition used in this article; further discussion on the talk page as warranted"
Response by jleipold: You are correct however the information here is not. For example, the "New York metropolitan area" is listed with the 2012 CSA population of 23,723,696 while the US Government lists New York-Jersey City-White Plains, NY-NJ 2012 MSA as 13,866,159. This article has nothing to do with the MSAs and only repeats what is already listed in the CSAs. [1] Jleipold ( talk) 07:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for moving to bottom of page since I was unaware.
I believe the information I referenced does provide the verification. The MSA definition and population is what the US government has published. The rest of the population figures Core, Combined, Primary, etc. are as the US government has defined and published. This page is the deviation. Also note:
1. The information on this page is merely a repeat of the information provided in the Combined Statistical Area page.
2. The MSA populations are not published elsewhere.
3. The comments here in talk reflect that others have noticed the discrepancies: "This list is 100% INCORRECT," "Vandalism Cleveland should be 29 not 17," "Other erroneous data.," "Why does it use CSAs and not MSAs?"
So we are missing the MSA populations as published and we have duplicated the CSAs.
This is our list of MSAs and relevant populations top 10 ranked:
New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA Combined Statistical Area.....................................23,076,664
Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA Combined Statistical Area..........................................17,877,006
Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI Combined Statistical Area..............................................9,840,929
Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA Combined Statistical Area.........9,051,961
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA Combined Statistical Area..............................8,153,696
Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT Combined Statistical Area...................7,893,376
Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OK Combined Statistical Area..................................................6,817,483
Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD Combined Statistical Area....................7,067,807
Houston-The Woodlands, TX Combined Statistical Area.............................................6,114,562
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL Combined Statistical Area...........................6,166,766
This is the actual list of MSAs and population top 10 ranked:
New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA..............................................19,567,410
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA..................................................12,828,837
Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN-WI..............................................................9,461,105
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX.................................................................6,426,214
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD........................................5,965,343
Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX.................................................5,920,416
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV...................................5,636,232
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL............................................5,564,635
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA.........................................................5,286,728
Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH..........................................................4,552,402
Jleipold ( talk) 21:12, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
In response to "I also don't agree that this is in deviation of what the US Census Bureau has defined."
"OMB has been responsible for the official metropolitan areas since they were first delineated, except for the period 1977 to 1981, when they were the responsibility of the Office of Federal Statistical Policy and Standards, Department of Commerce. The standards for delineating metropolitan areas were modified in 1958, 1971, 1975, 1980, 1990, 2000, and 2010....
The largest city in each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area is designated a "principal city." Additional cities qualify if specified requirements are met concerning population size and employment. The title of each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area consists of the names of up to three of its principal cities and the name of each state into which the metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area extends....
Because of these historical changes in geographic delineations, users must be cautious in comparing data for these statistical areas from different dates. For some purposes, comparisons of data for areas as delineated at given dates may be appropriate; for other purposes, it may be preferable to maintain consistent area delineations."
[2]
This is not ambiguous and I am unsure how they could more clearly indicate that this term is carefully defined and refers to a specific area and population. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Jleipold (
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contribs) 14:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
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Some of the cells in the rightmost column contain 5-10 lines, and that makes the table dfficult to read. I propose that the rightmost column is deleted. (The information is available on the wikipages for the individual metropolitan areas)
The correct information can be found at http://www.census.gov/popest/data/metro/totals/2012/ Someone has moved Denver way up the list for some reason. A lot of smaller cities have been moved up the list also. Someone please correct this and add a moderator to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.43.255.235 ( talk) 22:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
20141020 Yes.. it is surely substantially in error. Needs to be fixed and is misleading the CSA populations for both Phila and Dallas Fort Worth are way high for 2012. There is new 2013 data and it needs to be added (which would correct the erroneous data in the article). Signed: Concerned about accuracy
Someone screwed up the rankings and data on this page. Please compare it to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas and correct it. Thanks 66.116.62.178 ( talk) 14:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
I updated the titles of all 929 metropolitan and micropolitan area of the United States and Puerto Rico to bring them into compliance with the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic_names). The titles of the linked articles may differ from these conforming metropolitan and micropolitan area titles. Yours aye, Buaidh 18:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
What's the deal with there being two San Franciscos...one of which is a broken link, the other of which isn't numbered (Riverside also isn't numbered). Coulraphobic123 ( talk) 02:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Phoenix metro seems to be missing. Elsewhere wikipedia says it should be 12th in size... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spspinella ( talk • contribs) 12:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC) This list has the Fargo-Moorhead metro as being larger than Sioux Falls...but the following link shows otherwise (the official link to US Census Bureau estimates). [1] What other data is being used here? If it's the Fargo-Moorhead CSA, then there is a separate page for CSAs.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recent discussions at Talk:Pensacola metropolitan area and Talk:Brunswick, Georgia metropolitan area have highlighted the fact that there's no agreed-upon naming convention for articles about US metropolitan areas; the focus of the debate is whether or not these article titles should include the state name, for disambiguation purposes. That is, to take Brunswick as an example, should the article be titled:
Usually, disambiguation tags are only necessary when two or more articles share the same name, but articles on US settlements are a long-standing exception to this rule (see WP:USPLACE). This is one of the main arguments in favour of including the state name; another is that the un-disambiguated title may confuse readers outside the US. Arguments against the state name are that it's an awkward and clunky addition, and results in a name used by few, if any, third-party sources. (I'm trying to summarise past discussions fairly, let me know if anyone feels misrepresented). So, the question is...
Should US metropolitan area article titles include a state name, even when no disambiguation is strictly necessary? DoctorKubla ( talk) 20:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, let's try the Google test, taking Miami and Milwaukee as semi-random examples (bearing in mind that Google always claims to have found thousands of results; you have to click through to the last page to see the real figure).
I'd call that clear evidence in favour of omitting the state name. DoctorKubla ( talk) 20:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
In accordance with that, I agree that it'd be fine for cities like Miami and Milwaukee (which DoctorKubla cites in his Google test above) to have the state name dropped from their metropolitan area articles, since the articles for the city are just titled Miami and Milwaukee. However, when you go further down the list I don't see the same thing occurring. For example:
Numbers here (2.9) don't match the subpages (2.2).
I noticed that this article uses CSAs to rank the metro areas. I wonder why this decision was made? I have a slight bit of experience with the Sun Belt article, which has a ranking of largest metro areas in the sun belt that now uses MSAs and not CSAs. I question whether this is optimal because I live in SF and it seems to me that virtually everyone here would consider SF and San Jose to be in the same metro area, even though they're in different MSAs. I feel like there might be other metro areas where the MSA is under inclusive, too. But someone at the Sun Belt article said it's weird to put Baltimore and DC in the same metro area, which is what the CSA does. But I can't seem to really find any wiki-guidance on which statistical measure (a different one altogether?) should be used for general metro-area-ranking purposes. AgnosticAphid talk 03:07, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
The US Census Bureau has updated the numbers for 2014 for all metro areas. (link) Table needs to be updated. 24.248.216.135 ( talk) 17:39, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
/The beautiful peoples +ty pips 8Dirtdevil8 ( talk) 02:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
This is a list of Combined Statistical Areas, MSAs and muSAs are different lists. MSAs (and muSAs occasionally) are apart of CSAs.
Update: User Vmanjr removed disputed tag with following explanation, "metropolitan areas are defined by the US Census Bureau, which is the definition used in this article; further discussion on the talk page as warranted"
Response by jleipold: You are correct however the information here is not. For example, the "New York metropolitan area" is listed with the 2012 CSA population of 23,723,696 while the US Government lists New York-Jersey City-White Plains, NY-NJ 2012 MSA as 13,866,159. This article has nothing to do with the MSAs and only repeats what is already listed in the CSAs. [1] Jleipold ( talk) 07:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for moving to bottom of page since I was unaware.
I believe the information I referenced does provide the verification. The MSA definition and population is what the US government has published. The rest of the population figures Core, Combined, Primary, etc. are as the US government has defined and published. This page is the deviation. Also note:
1. The information on this page is merely a repeat of the information provided in the Combined Statistical Area page.
2. The MSA populations are not published elsewhere.
3. The comments here in talk reflect that others have noticed the discrepancies: "This list is 100% INCORRECT," "Vandalism Cleveland should be 29 not 17," "Other erroneous data.," "Why does it use CSAs and not MSAs?"
So we are missing the MSA populations as published and we have duplicated the CSAs.
This is our list of MSAs and relevant populations top 10 ranked:
New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA Combined Statistical Area.....................................23,076,664
Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA Combined Statistical Area..........................................17,877,006
Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI Combined Statistical Area..............................................9,840,929
Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA Combined Statistical Area.........9,051,961
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA Combined Statistical Area..............................8,153,696
Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT Combined Statistical Area...................7,893,376
Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OK Combined Statistical Area..................................................6,817,483
Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD Combined Statistical Area....................7,067,807
Houston-The Woodlands, TX Combined Statistical Area.............................................6,114,562
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL Combined Statistical Area...........................6,166,766
This is the actual list of MSAs and population top 10 ranked:
New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA..............................................19,567,410
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA..................................................12,828,837
Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN-WI..............................................................9,461,105
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX.................................................................6,426,214
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD........................................5,965,343
Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX.................................................5,920,416
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV...................................5,636,232
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL............................................5,564,635
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA.........................................................5,286,728
Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH..........................................................4,552,402
Jleipold ( talk) 21:12, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
In response to "I also don't agree that this is in deviation of what the US Census Bureau has defined."
"OMB has been responsible for the official metropolitan areas since they were first delineated, except for the period 1977 to 1981, when they were the responsibility of the Office of Federal Statistical Policy and Standards, Department of Commerce. The standards for delineating metropolitan areas were modified in 1958, 1971, 1975, 1980, 1990, 2000, and 2010....
The largest city in each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area is designated a "principal city." Additional cities qualify if specified requirements are met concerning population size and employment. The title of each metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area consists of the names of up to three of its principal cities and the name of each state into which the metropolitan or micropolitan statistical area extends....
Because of these historical changes in geographic delineations, users must be cautious in comparing data for these statistical areas from different dates. For some purposes, comparisons of data for areas as delineated at given dates may be appropriate; for other purposes, it may be preferable to maintain consistent area delineations."
[2]
This is not ambiguous and I am unsure how they could more clearly indicate that this term is carefully defined and refers to a specific area and population. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Jleipold (
talk •
contribs) 14:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)