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Is breaking up the page really necessary? I thought it was fine as is... if your browser can't read pages over 32k then UPGRADE IT. -- Goatasaur
Not because of my browser, but because of my conjucted internet connection and as-always slow wikipedia server. Remember it is not a good idea to have a long article, which takes long time to download too as does in my PC. Not everyone has a broadband connection, though mime is a broadband in college campus. -- Taku 02:17 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
Good point Taku. If you want me to split the list of Japanese authors page, sing out - but you will have to fix all the links it breaks! Tannin
Oh, actually I realized I don't how to be able to submit but need only to read.I am breaking up List of Japanese authors (which is awfully long. Yeah, I know I made such a list.). Anyway it is a good idea to check what I am editing. I may break articles without notice. -- Taku 02:14 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
Goatasaur, you may be shocked to hear this, but the principal point of having a site as a wiki is so that people can edit it. If a great many people are unable to edit pages because of their length, that is a serious problem. Therefore, it is preferable to reduce the length of pages as a simple technical matter that enables participation.
More generally, shorter pages are usually easier to navigate, easier to edit, and faster to download, and are to be generally encouraged on these bases as a boon to our readers. -- Brion 02:40 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
Goatasaur, I'm not sure that I like the split-up list myself. But then I'm on cable here at home and at work too, so it's easy for me to say that. The way I look at it though, is that if it wasn't for Taku's work we wouldn't have the list in the first place, and as a general rule it is usually both sensible and courteous, where one contributor has done the vast majority of the work on a subject, for the rest of us to stand back and not joggle his elbow. Tannin
I'm confused as to how this list is organized. It appears that the authors are each listed family-name first, as they would be in Japan, but 1) this is not stated, which makes it confusing for readers and editors, and 2) it leads to links breaking where there are existing Wikipedia entries. For instance, Kenzaburo Oe is listed under O as Oe Kenzaburo. However, Oe has a Wikipedia entry under Kenzaburo Oe. I would like to rework this section to be given name first, family name last, to bring it into harmony with the rest of the wikipedia. Unfortunately, I cannot tell for most entries which order they are in and further suspect there is some mixing if any non-Japanese editors have contributed. -- Zippy 01:21, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I think we should do what we do in other places: use the most common name in English. So we call them Junichiro Koizumi and Kenzaburo Oe, which is what they're most commonly called in English; it does not follow that we would have to call another person, say, Ieyasu Tokugawa. - Montréalais 07:36, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I agree with the policy, the most common name in English. I understand also that family name first, given name last order is strange in English writing and is inconsistent with the rest of wikipedia articles. Honestly, this is a noisance problem to me and don't see a nice solution. I was thinking of historical names like Kakinomoto no Hitomaro while Kakinomoto is a family name. His name is never written in Hitomaro no Kakinomoto or such. It might be so confusing to some readers familar with Japanese names. Give more thoughs, I will certainly appreciate. -- Taku 00:25, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hi. I'm TY, Japanese Wikipedian. List of Japanese authors totally confused me... It includes much many obscure authors (they are not known at all in Japan). I guess someone had contributed very long list of Japanese text archive Aozora Bunko. But this online archive have lots of obscure or amateur writers' name. TY 10:38, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Please don't misunderstand. I think we must not delete stub, because It's good starting point to write articles. I mean, List of Japanese authors includes many clutter which nobody can write any articles about him/her. I guess that someone used bots and didn't check anymore whether they are real authors or just people who happened to write some text. TY 08:59, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'd deleted some and added significant authors. TY 02:25, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Is breaking up the page really necessary? I thought it was fine as is... if your browser can't read pages over 32k then UPGRADE IT. -- Goatasaur
Not because of my browser, but because of my conjucted internet connection and as-always slow wikipedia server. Remember it is not a good idea to have a long article, which takes long time to download too as does in my PC. Not everyone has a broadband connection, though mime is a broadband in college campus. -- Taku 02:17 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
Good point Taku. If you want me to split the list of Japanese authors page, sing out - but you will have to fix all the links it breaks! Tannin
Oh, actually I realized I don't how to be able to submit but need only to read.I am breaking up List of Japanese authors (which is awfully long. Yeah, I know I made such a list.). Anyway it is a good idea to check what I am editing. I may break articles without notice. -- Taku 02:14 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
Goatasaur, you may be shocked to hear this, but the principal point of having a site as a wiki is so that people can edit it. If a great many people are unable to edit pages because of their length, that is a serious problem. Therefore, it is preferable to reduce the length of pages as a simple technical matter that enables participation.
More generally, shorter pages are usually easier to navigate, easier to edit, and faster to download, and are to be generally encouraged on these bases as a boon to our readers. -- Brion 02:40 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
Goatasaur, I'm not sure that I like the split-up list myself. But then I'm on cable here at home and at work too, so it's easy for me to say that. The way I look at it though, is that if it wasn't for Taku's work we wouldn't have the list in the first place, and as a general rule it is usually both sensible and courteous, where one contributor has done the vast majority of the work on a subject, for the rest of us to stand back and not joggle his elbow. Tannin
I'm confused as to how this list is organized. It appears that the authors are each listed family-name first, as they would be in Japan, but 1) this is not stated, which makes it confusing for readers and editors, and 2) it leads to links breaking where there are existing Wikipedia entries. For instance, Kenzaburo Oe is listed under O as Oe Kenzaburo. However, Oe has a Wikipedia entry under Kenzaburo Oe. I would like to rework this section to be given name first, family name last, to bring it into harmony with the rest of the wikipedia. Unfortunately, I cannot tell for most entries which order they are in and further suspect there is some mixing if any non-Japanese editors have contributed. -- Zippy 01:21, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I think we should do what we do in other places: use the most common name in English. So we call them Junichiro Koizumi and Kenzaburo Oe, which is what they're most commonly called in English; it does not follow that we would have to call another person, say, Ieyasu Tokugawa. - Montréalais 07:36, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I agree with the policy, the most common name in English. I understand also that family name first, given name last order is strange in English writing and is inconsistent with the rest of wikipedia articles. Honestly, this is a noisance problem to me and don't see a nice solution. I was thinking of historical names like Kakinomoto no Hitomaro while Kakinomoto is a family name. His name is never written in Hitomaro no Kakinomoto or such. It might be so confusing to some readers familar with Japanese names. Give more thoughs, I will certainly appreciate. -- Taku 00:25, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hi. I'm TY, Japanese Wikipedian. List of Japanese authors totally confused me... It includes much many obscure authors (they are not known at all in Japan). I guess someone had contributed very long list of Japanese text archive Aozora Bunko. But this online archive have lots of obscure or amateur writers' name. TY 10:38, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Please don't misunderstand. I think we must not delete stub, because It's good starting point to write articles. I mean, List of Japanese authors includes many clutter which nobody can write any articles about him/her. I guess that someone used bots and didn't check anymore whether they are real authors or just people who happened to write some text. TY 08:59, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I'd deleted some and added significant authors. TY 02:25, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)