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"died because of cardiac arrest at the Mount Sinai Medical center": we have a Mount Sinai Medical Center here in Toronto, Ontario -- surely that's not the place where Hamp died?
--Bob
bjonkman@sobac.com
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--Bob.
"Flying Home" [...] is considered one of the first rock and roll records.
Would anyone care to who thinks this? I know LH was an early influence to R&R, but Flying Home doesn't particularly seem like the 'first one'. -- User:SeanO
Would it be possible to say "'Flying Home' is an important ancestor to rock and roll" instead? I'm assuming that "Straighten Up and Fly Right" is also included, as are some of the jump blues of Louis Jordan (and possibly something from Cab Calloway). All of them are important to the development of Rock and Roll, but I wouldn't call them the "First Rock and Roll Record". I agree with everything that you have said, BTW, I just think the attribution is too strong.
Also, just as a point of clarification, air checks of radio broadcasts show that, at least during the 'commercial' swing era, solos were much more 'pat' (i.e.: they were played the same night after night) then we are used to in Jazz. Benny Goodman's On The Air album is a really good example of this: The air checks are usually faster, tighter, and longer than the studio recordings, but the solos are usually very similar. Of course some cats during the swing era, particularly Coleman Hawkins, were great improvisers and made it a point of 'never playing it the same twice', but they were very often the exception. -- SeanO
It would appear that WP has propagated a myth of a musician of almost the same name, born exactly 5 years later. My Google search on
produced "522 hits" on the first page (and more tellingly for those inquiring that far, "176 of about 454" on the last).
Besides copies on other sites, made from WP of old versions of April 12, i eventually found in the history an old version of it with
and further archaeology would surely turn up a Hamptom entry in a still earlier version.
Whoever removed the Hamptom entry didn't bother to do a what-lks-here check and find that List of people by name: Ham included
where the error is far less obvious. I'm creating the redirect, and changing the LoPbN entry to lead directly to
Lionel Hampton, keeping it as a warning flag that "references to Lionel Hamptom, whether born 1913 or otherwise should be understood as references to Lionel Hampton". I don't think many people would look at
Talk: List of people by name: Ham, and IMO
this talk page is the best place for extended documentation of the foulup. IMO the one remaining Hamptom reference (in the LoPbN piping, not as a lk to the rdr) in the main namespace suffices for that namespace, but i think this more definitive and more explicit record is also needed, since it is unclear that the external sites that picked up the error from us will ever be expunged.
(BTW, the first of my hits,
CNN lacks the Hamptom string in either rendered or source version;
cached version hints at something i had not suspected about Google searches, in saying in its heading (emphasis here as on the Google-cache page)
meaning, i guess, that Google bases hits not only on
but also on
Did that make any sense? Some pages are hits not bcz they match the search terms, but bcz of the way pages that do lk to them (and my guess is, bcz these "pseudo hits" are high-scoring pages). Which makes the online world yet another step more complex.)
--
Jerzy•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 13:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
There has got to be a better public domain picture of Hamp than one with America's brainless leader. Perhaps one where he's actually playing vibes...-- Josh Rocchio 17:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree completely: PLEASE find a better picture. The article is about LH; let's just have a picture of HIM by himself. And further, make it representative of his vibrant playing style (whoops! made a pun). Make it a picture of him playing back in his big band days or something. Thanks...
I've found a pretty good source "Rhythm and Blues Revue" which features Hamp in two numbers: one on vibes and one on drums. The one on vibes would be great, but he's wearing a totally distracting 'skipper hat' (think Gilligan's Island's Skipper). He doesn't wear a hat in the other number, but he's not playing the vibes. Let me see if I can crop the screen cap so it _could_ be him playing vibes, or else, do another shot of 'just his hands playing vibes', which I think would make a pretty good shot regardless -- SeanO 14:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I seem to recall that Hamp had a devastating fire in his apartment shortly before his death. I don't have the time to look this up right now, but I seem to recall that his lifetime's worth of memorabilia was destroyed and that he barely escaped alive. Anyone want to fill in this blank??
I was a court reporter taking the testimony at the trial brought against Lionel Hampton by the tenants of his apartment building for the fire that originated out of his apartment back in January of 1997. His caretaker accidentally knocked over a halogen lamp on his bed where it caught fire. The dim-witted nurse opened the windows of the 20th-floor apartment to "blow out the flames" that quickly spread across his bed, quilt, etc. She was unaware that such heavy winds would actually exacerbate the flames, causing it to do even more damage. Mr. Hampton's caregivers took him out of the apartment unharmed, but all of his possesions perished that day, as did the apartments of several other well known celebrities. Already being somewhat senile and very fragile by the year 2000 when the case came to trial, he was of little knowledge and assistance, but the case nevertheless went forward. Sad.
brennivan 17:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC) Brennivan
I am encountering problems with Lionel Hampton's birthdate, though typically from books published in the 1980s. I have one source that states he was born 1908, another 1909, and another 1912! I am going with Scott Yanow's birthdate because it is the most recent I can find and therefore there has been more time to unearth the accuracy of the previous birthdates. Please do not use the book by Linda Churchill titled "45 Profiles in Modern Music" from 1980 if anyone encounters it, as its filled with errors and chronology problems. She is the one who dates his birth at 1912, btw. She also places him with Les Hite after his work at the University of Southern California. Thanks! ( Mind meal 06:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC))
There is a lot of confusion about when and where Lionel was born, though Steve Voce of The Independant in London states he understands this confusion and has the correct dates AND place. Please see this: [2]; apparently he was born in Birmingham, Alabama on April 20 and not in Louisville on the 21st. I will look for more credible sources to solidify this once and for all.( Mind meal 12:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC))
:Additionally, tons of sites have Hampton's birthplace wrong, including the Encyclopaedia Britannica! I would contact them, but they should be better than that. Please do not be persuaded by the ways certain websites place him, such as "He was born in Louisville and raised in Birmingham...". This is patently false information that has been repeated billions of times over by authors who don't do their own research. (
Mind meal 13:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC))
IMdb and NNdb say Louisville, Kentucky. Is there a hard source for Birmingham, Alabama, beyond just disagreement? At any rate, we have to go with what can be sourced. Many sources say "born in Louisville, but moved to Alabama soon thereafter". Any usable sources say "born in Alabama" beyond just conjecture? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
On Yahoo Answers, I asked "Where was Lionel Hampton born?" with the text:
“ | There are competing web and encyclopedia sources that say Lionel Hampton was born in either Louisville, Kentucky or Birmingham, Alabama.
Are there any solid biographies which definitively give the jazz musician's birthplace? If so, what is the consensus on where Mr. Hampton was born? |
” |
All the answers came back Louisville. Following are some sources given to back it up:
NPOV would seem to indicate to me that based on the massive evidence for Louisville, we should say he was born in Louisville, but so-and-so disputes it and says he was born in Birmingham. Sound good? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 19:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
The Encyclopedia of Alabama has him born in Louisville. According to the LA Times, Hampton's autobiography says he was born in Louisville. Who knows better than Hampton did where he was born? Nicmart ( talk) 05:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
At www.archive.org there are several public domain movies and concerts Hampton appears in that are available to capture snapshots of while watching the movies. I am on dialup and cannot watch hour long movies, waiting for scenes with Hampton. There are also screen shots of tons of other celebrities on that site for the puiblic domain, including in the Rhythm and Blues Revue of 1955 which Hampton appears in. There are available screenshots available of Willie Bryant, [[Freddie Robinson, Lionel Hampton, Count Basie, Faye Adams, Bill Bailey]], Herb Jeffries, Amos Milburn, Sarah Vaughan, Nipsey Russell, Big Joe Turner, Martha Davis, Little Buck, Mantan Moreland, Cab Calloway and Ruth Brown in that movie. Screenshots of many of these artists would provide pictures in articles that otherwise have none; what's more they are free to use. Anyone who has high-speed internet that has some extra time, some good snapshots of hampton would be a great addition to the article. Thanks! ( Mind meal 02:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC))
I don't know about anyone else, but I think this article is a bit beyond start class? ( Mind meal 04:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
That sounds good, Stevie is the man!. I have 3 great Scott Yanow references coming in for me at my local library branch sometime this week, one of them devoted to Swing. I'll see what more I can use from there. I just thought it was B-class, but I suppose quantity means more than quality in this case?( Mind meal 04:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
Hello, one thing that I believe is missing from this article is a list of the live performances of Mr. Hampton. Although I am no expert on Mr. Hampton's work, I remember attending a live performance in Athens, Greece sometime around 1985. However I couldn't find any references online. Is anyone able to contribute towards this end? Regards, Skonix ( talk) 09:33, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
The Discography is presently incomplete. Is this on purpose? I know that in 1976/77 he recorded an album with Cat Anderson and Eddie Chamblee. My son has it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:6980:551:108C:68B7:657A:DAE3 ( talk) 19:57, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
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Did he ever play with a Symphony Orchestra? -- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 15:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
A Hampton album is being streamed and sold called Groovin' Vibes. I can only find rerelease dates and it's not on Dicogs. I don't see it in the discography on this page. Nicmart ( talk) 05:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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"died because of cardiac arrest at the Mount Sinai Medical center": we have a Mount Sinai Medical Center here in Toronto, Ontario -- surely that's not the place where Hamp died?
--Bob
bjonkman@sobac.com
Amazing what a little research will get you...
--Bob.
"Flying Home" [...] is considered one of the first rock and roll records.
Would anyone care to who thinks this? I know LH was an early influence to R&R, but Flying Home doesn't particularly seem like the 'first one'. -- User:SeanO
Would it be possible to say "'Flying Home' is an important ancestor to rock and roll" instead? I'm assuming that "Straighten Up and Fly Right" is also included, as are some of the jump blues of Louis Jordan (and possibly something from Cab Calloway). All of them are important to the development of Rock and Roll, but I wouldn't call them the "First Rock and Roll Record". I agree with everything that you have said, BTW, I just think the attribution is too strong.
Also, just as a point of clarification, air checks of radio broadcasts show that, at least during the 'commercial' swing era, solos were much more 'pat' (i.e.: they were played the same night after night) then we are used to in Jazz. Benny Goodman's On The Air album is a really good example of this: The air checks are usually faster, tighter, and longer than the studio recordings, but the solos are usually very similar. Of course some cats during the swing era, particularly Coleman Hawkins, were great improvisers and made it a point of 'never playing it the same twice', but they were very often the exception. -- SeanO
It would appear that WP has propagated a myth of a musician of almost the same name, born exactly 5 years later. My Google search on
produced "522 hits" on the first page (and more tellingly for those inquiring that far, "176 of about 454" on the last).
Besides copies on other sites, made from WP of old versions of April 12, i eventually found in the history an old version of it with
and further archaeology would surely turn up a Hamptom entry in a still earlier version.
Whoever removed the Hamptom entry didn't bother to do a what-lks-here check and find that List of people by name: Ham included
where the error is far less obvious. I'm creating the redirect, and changing the LoPbN entry to lead directly to
Lionel Hampton, keeping it as a warning flag that "references to Lionel Hamptom, whether born 1913 or otherwise should be understood as references to Lionel Hampton". I don't think many people would look at
Talk: List of people by name: Ham, and IMO
this talk page is the best place for extended documentation of the foulup. IMO the one remaining Hamptom reference (in the LoPbN piping, not as a lk to the rdr) in the main namespace suffices for that namespace, but i think this more definitive and more explicit record is also needed, since it is unclear that the external sites that picked up the error from us will ever be expunged.
(BTW, the first of my hits,
CNN lacks the Hamptom string in either rendered or source version;
cached version hints at something i had not suspected about Google searches, in saying in its heading (emphasis here as on the Google-cache page)
meaning, i guess, that Google bases hits not only on
but also on
Did that make any sense? Some pages are hits not bcz they match the search terms, but bcz of the way pages that do lk to them (and my guess is, bcz these "pseudo hits" are high-scoring pages). Which makes the online world yet another step more complex.)
--
Jerzy•[[User talk:Jerzy|t]] 13:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
There has got to be a better public domain picture of Hamp than one with America's brainless leader. Perhaps one where he's actually playing vibes...-- Josh Rocchio 17:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree completely: PLEASE find a better picture. The article is about LH; let's just have a picture of HIM by himself. And further, make it representative of his vibrant playing style (whoops! made a pun). Make it a picture of him playing back in his big band days or something. Thanks...
I've found a pretty good source "Rhythm and Blues Revue" which features Hamp in two numbers: one on vibes and one on drums. The one on vibes would be great, but he's wearing a totally distracting 'skipper hat' (think Gilligan's Island's Skipper). He doesn't wear a hat in the other number, but he's not playing the vibes. Let me see if I can crop the screen cap so it _could_ be him playing vibes, or else, do another shot of 'just his hands playing vibes', which I think would make a pretty good shot regardless -- SeanO 14:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I seem to recall that Hamp had a devastating fire in his apartment shortly before his death. I don't have the time to look this up right now, but I seem to recall that his lifetime's worth of memorabilia was destroyed and that he barely escaped alive. Anyone want to fill in this blank??
I was a court reporter taking the testimony at the trial brought against Lionel Hampton by the tenants of his apartment building for the fire that originated out of his apartment back in January of 1997. His caretaker accidentally knocked over a halogen lamp on his bed where it caught fire. The dim-witted nurse opened the windows of the 20th-floor apartment to "blow out the flames" that quickly spread across his bed, quilt, etc. She was unaware that such heavy winds would actually exacerbate the flames, causing it to do even more damage. Mr. Hampton's caregivers took him out of the apartment unharmed, but all of his possesions perished that day, as did the apartments of several other well known celebrities. Already being somewhat senile and very fragile by the year 2000 when the case came to trial, he was of little knowledge and assistance, but the case nevertheless went forward. Sad.
brennivan 17:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC) Brennivan
I am encountering problems with Lionel Hampton's birthdate, though typically from books published in the 1980s. I have one source that states he was born 1908, another 1909, and another 1912! I am going with Scott Yanow's birthdate because it is the most recent I can find and therefore there has been more time to unearth the accuracy of the previous birthdates. Please do not use the book by Linda Churchill titled "45 Profiles in Modern Music" from 1980 if anyone encounters it, as its filled with errors and chronology problems. She is the one who dates his birth at 1912, btw. She also places him with Les Hite after his work at the University of Southern California. Thanks! ( Mind meal 06:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC))
There is a lot of confusion about when and where Lionel was born, though Steve Voce of The Independant in London states he understands this confusion and has the correct dates AND place. Please see this: [2]; apparently he was born in Birmingham, Alabama on April 20 and not in Louisville on the 21st. I will look for more credible sources to solidify this once and for all.( Mind meal 12:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC))
:Additionally, tons of sites have Hampton's birthplace wrong, including the Encyclopaedia Britannica! I would contact them, but they should be better than that. Please do not be persuaded by the ways certain websites place him, such as "He was born in Louisville and raised in Birmingham...". This is patently false information that has been repeated billions of times over by authors who don't do their own research. (
Mind meal 13:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC))
IMdb and NNdb say Louisville, Kentucky. Is there a hard source for Birmingham, Alabama, beyond just disagreement? At any rate, we have to go with what can be sourced. Many sources say "born in Louisville, but moved to Alabama soon thereafter". Any usable sources say "born in Alabama" beyond just conjecture? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
On Yahoo Answers, I asked "Where was Lionel Hampton born?" with the text:
“ | There are competing web and encyclopedia sources that say Lionel Hampton was born in either Louisville, Kentucky or Birmingham, Alabama.
Are there any solid biographies which definitively give the jazz musician's birthplace? If so, what is the consensus on where Mr. Hampton was born? |
” |
All the answers came back Louisville. Following are some sources given to back it up:
NPOV would seem to indicate to me that based on the massive evidence for Louisville, we should say he was born in Louisville, but so-and-so disputes it and says he was born in Birmingham. Sound good? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 19:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
The Encyclopedia of Alabama has him born in Louisville. According to the LA Times, Hampton's autobiography says he was born in Louisville. Who knows better than Hampton did where he was born? Nicmart ( talk) 05:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
At www.archive.org there are several public domain movies and concerts Hampton appears in that are available to capture snapshots of while watching the movies. I am on dialup and cannot watch hour long movies, waiting for scenes with Hampton. There are also screen shots of tons of other celebrities on that site for the puiblic domain, including in the Rhythm and Blues Revue of 1955 which Hampton appears in. There are available screenshots available of Willie Bryant, [[Freddie Robinson, Lionel Hampton, Count Basie, Faye Adams, Bill Bailey]], Herb Jeffries, Amos Milburn, Sarah Vaughan, Nipsey Russell, Big Joe Turner, Martha Davis, Little Buck, Mantan Moreland, Cab Calloway and Ruth Brown in that movie. Screenshots of many of these artists would provide pictures in articles that otherwise have none; what's more they are free to use. Anyone who has high-speed internet that has some extra time, some good snapshots of hampton would be a great addition to the article. Thanks! ( Mind meal 02:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC))
I don't know about anyone else, but I think this article is a bit beyond start class? ( Mind meal 04:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
That sounds good, Stevie is the man!. I have 3 great Scott Yanow references coming in for me at my local library branch sometime this week, one of them devoted to Swing. I'll see what more I can use from there. I just thought it was B-class, but I suppose quantity means more than quality in this case?( Mind meal 04:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
Hello, one thing that I believe is missing from this article is a list of the live performances of Mr. Hampton. Although I am no expert on Mr. Hampton's work, I remember attending a live performance in Athens, Greece sometime around 1985. However I couldn't find any references online. Is anyone able to contribute towards this end? Regards, Skonix ( talk) 09:33, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
The Discography is presently incomplete. Is this on purpose? I know that in 1976/77 he recorded an album with Cat Anderson and Eddie Chamblee. My son has it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:6980:551:108C:68B7:657A:DAE3 ( talk) 19:57, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
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Did he ever play with a Symphony Orchestra? -- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 15:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
A Hampton album is being streamed and sold called Groovin' Vibes. I can only find rerelease dates and it's not on Dicogs. I don't see it in the discography on this page. Nicmart ( talk) 05:05, 17 December 2020 (UTC)