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Is the article name really descriptive? I know there was multiple discussions regarding the name. But now I am feeling the article scope does not fit the title. Occupation 1948-1950, annexation in 1950, and then what about 1950-1967? Some sources use "Jordanian administration of the West Bank", "Unification of the two banks". Any suggestions? Makeandtoss ( talk) 10:41, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Map in infobox is horrible to look at. Any alternatives? Makeandtoss ( talk) 12:16, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Colonestarrice ( talk) 08:15, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Jordanian annexation of the West Bank → Jordanian rule of the West Bank – More than a renaming, I propose an expansion of the scope of this article. It was previously named "Jordanian occupation of the West Bank", which didn't make sense since the occupation lasted 1948-1950, but the entirety of Jordanian presence lasted 1948-1967, so it was renamed "Jordanian annexation of the West Bank". However, this also doesn't really make sense, as it limited the scope of the article to the 1950 annexation act. So, instead of creating a new article dealing with the scope of the Jordanian 1948-1967 presence, why not just rename this article to "Jordanian rule of the West Bank", where the 1950 act of annexation would have a dedicated and detailed section. It should be noted that this would prove a controversial renaming/repurposing, as it would lent arguments to rename Israeli annexation of East Jerusalem. So, it might be better after all to create a new article named "Jordanian rule of the West Bank" instead. These are two options the discussion should focus on. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:05, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
There are many things that could be included in such article. 1948 Abdullah-Meir collusion, 1953 Qibya massacre, 1956 Suleiman Nabulsi democratically elected government, 1958 Arab Federation with Iraq, 1964 PLO formation, 1966 Samu incident, 1967 Six Day War, even the 1959-1966 Miss Jordan beauty pageant; maybe also 1988 Jordanian disengagement. Basically a unified history of Jordan and the West Bank. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:05, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Shrike for acknowledging good faith. Your revert was also in good faith. [1] The text we are disputing is below:
The Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of East Jerusalem. All but one of the 35 synagogues in the Old City were destroyed over the course of the next 19 years, either razed or used as stables and chicken coops. Many other historic and religiously significant buildings were replaced by modern structures.
Much of it was added in this edit in 2010, [2] with non-RS sources, and other sources have since been added. But they don’t quite say what it says here. And the “Letter Dated 68/03/05 from the Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations Addressed to the Secretary-General” is certainly not WP:RS in wikivoice.
A couple of years ago a good exchange of sources on part of the above was held at Talk:Islamization of Jerusalem#Evacuations and Destruction of Synagogues.
The paragraph is not fit for purpose in its current form.
Onceinawhile ( talk) 07:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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Can someone add a link to Jordan in the first prargraph? thank you! דג ירוק ( talk) 07:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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Is the article name really descriptive? I know there was multiple discussions regarding the name. But now I am feeling the article scope does not fit the title. Occupation 1948-1950, annexation in 1950, and then what about 1950-1967? Some sources use "Jordanian administration of the West Bank", "Unification of the two banks". Any suggestions? Makeandtoss ( talk) 10:41, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Map in infobox is horrible to look at. Any alternatives? Makeandtoss ( talk) 12:16, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Colonestarrice ( talk) 08:15, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Jordanian annexation of the West Bank → Jordanian rule of the West Bank – More than a renaming, I propose an expansion of the scope of this article. It was previously named "Jordanian occupation of the West Bank", which didn't make sense since the occupation lasted 1948-1950, but the entirety of Jordanian presence lasted 1948-1967, so it was renamed "Jordanian annexation of the West Bank". However, this also doesn't really make sense, as it limited the scope of the article to the 1950 annexation act. So, instead of creating a new article dealing with the scope of the Jordanian 1948-1967 presence, why not just rename this article to "Jordanian rule of the West Bank", where the 1950 act of annexation would have a dedicated and detailed section. It should be noted that this would prove a controversial renaming/repurposing, as it would lent arguments to rename Israeli annexation of East Jerusalem. So, it might be better after all to create a new article named "Jordanian rule of the West Bank" instead. These are two options the discussion should focus on. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:05, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
There are many things that could be included in such article. 1948 Abdullah-Meir collusion, 1953 Qibya massacre, 1956 Suleiman Nabulsi democratically elected government, 1958 Arab Federation with Iraq, 1964 PLO formation, 1966 Samu incident, 1967 Six Day War, even the 1959-1966 Miss Jordan beauty pageant; maybe also 1988 Jordanian disengagement. Basically a unified history of Jordan and the West Bank. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:05, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Shrike for acknowledging good faith. Your revert was also in good faith. [1] The text we are disputing is below:
The Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of East Jerusalem. All but one of the 35 synagogues in the Old City were destroyed over the course of the next 19 years, either razed or used as stables and chicken coops. Many other historic and religiously significant buildings were replaced by modern structures.
Much of it was added in this edit in 2010, [2] with non-RS sources, and other sources have since been added. But they don’t quite say what it says here. And the “Letter Dated 68/03/05 from the Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations Addressed to the Secretary-General” is certainly not WP:RS in wikivoice.
A couple of years ago a good exchange of sources on part of the above was held at Talk:Islamization of Jerusalem#Evacuations and Destruction of Synagogues.
The paragraph is not fit for purpose in its current form.
Onceinawhile ( talk) 07:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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Can someone add a link to Jordan in the first prargraph? thank you! דג ירוק ( talk) 07:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)