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Greetings, maybe this are a good sources for citation in section: https://www.newsinenglish.no/2010/07/13/stoltenberg-wants-polluters-to-pay/ and https://www.norwayexports.no/speech-at-offshore-northern-seas-2008-by-prime-minister-jens-stoltenberg/ Thank You Marek Pafčuga ( talk) 23:08, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Would anyone care to add that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.213.211.171 ( talk • contribs) 14:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC).
I find OBSCENE that a man who has been the main lobbyist for the Industrial-Military Complex of the United States pushing NATO to expand and obliging europeans to spend 2.2% of its budget into weapons, bringing on purpose the cholera of madman dictator put-in to Ukraine to kill innocent people so we get a new cold war is depicted as a 'humanist politician who started his career protesting the bombing of vietnam'... truly obscene, wikipedia twisted attempts to rewrite truth from its biased western p.o.v. are reaching new heights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.151.75.78 ( talk) 06:38, 27 February 2022 (UTC) Some information on his political standpoint and policies he has supported would make this a fuller article. Marking as a stub. Mr. Jones 09:47, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This article DID contain serious flaws. Stoltenberg haver never been in jail for pedophily!
This article made the front page in one of Norway's biggest papers, Dagbladet, when it seemed to contain serious flaws, like stating that Norway's prime minister has done time for pedophily... [1]
At the end, the article states: "He is generally considered a good guy". Is this statement suitable for a biographical article in Wikipedia? Hardly neutral point of view... I think I'll remove it. Prytz 07:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I have watchlisted this article, it seems to be under attack from quite many now, and I fear that the newspaper attention might encourage some copycat vandalism. :-( Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
A lot of vandalism going on at this page. Should we request it for page protection? Bogfjellmo 14:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
At the moment, this article is getting so much attention that we are reverting the vandalism quite quickly, so a page protection is probably not in order just yet. But I noticed that a vandalism to Kjell Magne Bondevik was left unnoticed for more than an hour, so I have watchlisted that one as well. Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
For the record, the pedophilia line was added by 139.164.130.171 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) at 11:47, 9 November 2005, [2] and removed at 10:16, 10 November 2005 [3], with the other vandalism by that IP removed shortly after. The IP also vandalised Red-Green Coalition (Norway) [4], which was removed in about 1.5hrs [5] - better than the 22.5hrs it took here. I've also watchlisted the article. Rd232 talk 10:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Some anonymous person 83.108.41.224 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) posted an apology on the discussion page for the article in norwegian WP. no:Diskusjon:Jens Stoltenberg. -- ZorroIII 19:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I do not think he plays computergames from his office
The bolded entries are those that seem a bit more sinister or hateful. Entries marked with an asterisk (*) aren't really vandalism but inappropriate entries such as unsourced claims and opinions. __ meco ( talk) 11:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
No sources are given in the article, and so the anon's addition of {{ unsourced}} is quite valid. Since this has become such a disputed article, I suggest we add a section with a list of sources, and all non-trivial information should refer to at least one source. -- Eddi ( Talk) 15:51, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Why is there monarch info in his infobox? __ meco ( talk) 20:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Information about Stoltenberg's suffering a mild form of Ankylosing spondylitis [6] has previously been removed. I suggest this item is notable for inclusion in the article. __ meco ( talk) 10:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure Mr. Stoltenberg attends many international meetings with many organizations. This particular meeting is not in itself very notable or unusual. I know that these meetings are of interest to conpiracy theorist, but this page ought not to favor that particular point of view. Paxuniv ( talk) 20:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Should there be some mention of the AUF membership scandal in this article? Perhaps a link in the See also section? __ meco ( talk) 11:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
A frequent theme of this article's plethora of vandalisms notwithstanding, the topic of Jens Stoltenberg's sexuality has also surfaced in Norwegian mainstream media if my recall serves me correctly. I have only a very vague time reference, it may be as far back as the 1980s, but I remember having listened to a live phone interview on what I believe was NRK Østlandssendingen were the journalist brought up circulating rumours that Stoltenberg was gay. I don't remember his response except that I found it quite frantic and overreacting. If others have some recollection of this episode or the media context perhaps an accurate time frame can facilitate recovering any references. The rationale for having the article mention such an issue would obviously be the susceptibility to undue influences which a person in high office would suffer if he or she were having personal secrets that they feared would come to public attention. __ meco ( talk) 10:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Seeing how this article is currently linked from the Main Page, it's in a horribly poor state. The AUF membership scandal, which was a minor episode in Stoltenberg's political career, takes up half the article, in clear violation of WP:UNDUE. His first cabinet is covered, but this section is almost entirely about the transfer of power. His second cabinet is hardly covered at all. I'll put up an "undue" tag, though perhaps it's better to wait until it's off the Main Page. Lampman ( talk) 09:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Maybe mention somewhere that he uses (used?) the nick Steklov when playing games, and that the reason is that KGB once used that as a code name for him? I'm not familiar with the rules regarding editing the article, so I add the information here instead. :)
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The section about Stoltenberg crashing with a parked car and then leaving the scene without giving any notice to the owner of the damaged car, was removed by EPadmirateur with the following explanation: " rv per WP:UNDUE: discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and neutral, but still be disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic.)" The information was originally entered into the article by 77.18.14.84 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) without any references, then promptly removed for that reason, then readded and re-written by me to remove some inaccuracies/hyperbole after I had dug up a reliable source for the incident.
I suggest that information about criminal and unethical behavior by a top-level politician is not a trivial matter and that it is much more relevant to the biography of such an individual than in the case of for instance a movie actor. These are people whose entire careers and activities hinge on the trust given to them by the voting population. When they show to behave reprehensibly, even in a non-political context, and when that has been discussed prominently in mainstream media, we would simply be amiss in doing our job of writing an encyclopedia if we did not allow such information to come to the surface. I am therefore readding this section, adding additional sources to the story.
I should also address the use of WP:UNDUE to support the removal of this text because that is really quite a stretch. In fact, the quote provided by EPadmirateur is the only segment of text in the section Due and undue weight of the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy page which could at all be invoked to address the current issue, as all the rest of the discussion there is focussed on to what extent a minority opinion contra the majority opinion is to be presented in an article about a topic. And the quote in no way supports removal or suppression of any information. All it does is point out that certain angles may be "disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic". Should we then also remove the information about his sister being a recovering heroin addict? Or that he has admitted to having smoked cannabis? Or that he has two children? Or, perhaps not the last since that couldn't be seen to paint Stoltenberg in a not so flattering light...
I think it is fine that editors keep a vigilant eye out against slander, rumour-mongering and BLP violations, but I do not think it is fine when we take on the role as apologetics and spin doctors. That can sometimes, at least for some, prove to be a fine line to thread. And I'm not reproaching EPadmirateur here, but I am insisting that this incident is noteworthy in the biographical article about the highest elected public servant of a country. __ meco ( talk) 17:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
This photograph of an adolescent Jens Stoltenberg (I assume it's authentic) has been attempted added to the article on at least a couple of occasions. I think it is quite charming/amusing. It's unlikely that it has the right licensing for our use, and some would likely object to its inclusion in any case, but I would be amicably inclined towards having it in the article if the rights could be sorted out properly. __ meco ( talk) 09:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I'd appreciate if others who read Norwegian and have access could check out the reference for this and make comment on the reliability on this source and the author specifically. Stoltenberg must have been 13 or 14 years old at the time, so it's more piquant than discrediting, I suppose, but nevertheless. __ meco ( talk) 03:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
I have added some new images. That's all. Why is this vandalism?? Even though you are an administrator/moderator, you have no such rights. Please explain why you deleted it. You are the one who destroys this article by deleting other peoples edits. Shame on you! --HAAVE 11:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Eisfbnore, the pictures that HAAVE added are better because they show Stoltenberg in a positive or neutral light. The File:Jens Stoltenberg of Norway.jpg is much better than the current one in the lead, File:Prime Minister Stoltenberg Jens.jpg, because Stoltenberg is not frowning. In addition, there is no background clutter of people as if the picture is just a snapshot. What is your problem with HAAVE's suggestion?
I agree with Arsenikk that File:Jens Stoltenberg.jpg is better still and should be the photo in the lead. (I also agree that the captions to the pictures should be in English, which is easy to fix.) Can we first agree on the photo for the lead? My vote is for File:Jens Stoltenberg.jpg, second choice is File:Jens Stoltenberg of Norway.jpg. Thanks, -- EPadmirateur ( talk) 03:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Was the car which Stoltenberg drove at his parking incident really a Saab 93? I think that it was more likely a Saab 9-3. 77.191.1.115 ( talk) 17:02, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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Please include the story about the passengers being paid. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23680064 The article as of today implies that the taxi story was an honest effort by Mr.Stoltenberg to listen to "the people's true meanings", citation by BBC news. Some days later it was broadcasted - also by BBC news - that the passengers were paid actors, and the story obiously lost its former credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.201.154.209 ( talk) 00:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Mr. Stoltenberg has been confirmed as the Secretary General designate of NATO. He will take office on 1 October 2014. Someone should write a little about this. 85.165.227.94 ( talk) 15:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
"brutal reminder of the necessity of NATO," stating that Russia's actions in Ukraine was "the first time since the Second World War that a country has annexed a territory belonging to another country."[47]
Apparently this guy never heard of the Golan Heights. 71.173.20.219 ( talk) 21:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Describing him as the "27th Prime Minister" and thus only counting prime ministers since 1905 is very ahistorical indeed and factually quite wrong. In addition to the fact that Norway had a number of prime ministers with today's title statsminister (state minister) prior to 1905 and which are regarded as the identical office, there is also the question of how heads of government with other titles than statsminister should be taken into account. And anyway, in Norway prime ministers are not counted at all. This number 27 is hence a form of original research, and not something used by Norwegian sources. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 03:40, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
<edit: this was moved from User talk:Bjerrebæk: trying to have the debate in one place. >
In this version, the first paragraph of Israel's section covers Stoltenberg's critical views Israel, and the second one covers some of the media's perception of him regarding those views he holds. But apparently, two users want only his criticism of Israel to be seen and think it's of due weight, but remove the second part which I edited, claiming it is "WP:UNDUE". I'd appreciate if an objective editor could take a look at this please and help decide on a balanced version. Shalom11111 ( talk) 15:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Adding a large POV-worded section sourced to far-right extremist sources in this article is completely unacceptable. Frontpage Magazine is an extremist, Islamophobic publication (published by an organization widely regarded, even in the US, as a hate group) and not a valid source. Neither is Gerstenfeld or other representatives of the extreme right [11]. Both NPOV, UNDUE and BLP applies to this high profile article on the NATO Secretary-General designate, and inappropriate content will be removed. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 17:13, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Regarding Jerusalem Post, Norway's leading newspaper of record Aftenposten specifically states that "it's a long time ago one could find reliable information in the Jerusalem Post" and that it is now owned by the far right. [12] In any event, it's not regarded as a reliable source on events in Norway, regardless of how it is perceived in Israel. Its claims in this particular case have been thoroughly discredited and proven to be fabrications, e.g. its non-existent source "David Weiss" who is as real as Stephen Glass' "JUKT Micronics". Its claims are also regarded, including by the Norwegian Jewish community, as very extreme and representative of the far right fringe. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 17:24, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
We now have a problem with a user who declares himself to be "pro-Russian" on his user page adding highly negative material in a POV and totally unencyclopedic tone to the biography of the new NATO Secretary-General, sourced to far right fringe sources, including the publication of a known American hate group which is known as the inspiration of Anders Behring Breivik (the same org. that is publishing the notorious racist website Jihad Watch) [13], and despite being told repeatedly by multiple editors that the tone of his proposed contribution as well as the sources are inappropriate for this article. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 19:40, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Reading the above comments, here's what I have to say. We can replace the Jpost source with the official Anti Defamation League website, detailing the story. Bjerrebæk, Jpost may seem "extreme, far right" in your opinion, so don't state this as a fact because that's unacceptable. Your baseless claim that FrontPage Magazine is "almost universally regarded as a racist publication" simply shows your lack of NPOV as you yourself turned this fringe view about FrontPage Magazine into an official one, and you then accused another user of being "pro-Russian", Mishae. There is nothing wrong with being pro-your country, some of your above arguments are just ridiculous. Given the number of reliable sources criticizing Stolenberg, there's no doubt that some of this criticism is of due weight, however I do think it could possibly be shortened and summarized. For the Jpost or NJF's articles writers' opinion about Stoltenberg, which claim he's antisemitic/anti-Israel, we can later determine how significant these editorial opinions are. But let's put these opinions aside for now, because there are notable reports about events relating to the subject that should be given a mention. These include the ADL's official complaint about Stoltenberg's bias; a letter from the Simon Wiesenthal Center to Stoltenberg (see the Ynet article here), and apparently there are a few more. As the guidelines say, Wikipedia aims to present competing views in proportion to their representation in reliable sources on the subject, which is exactly I attempt to do but a few users here just don't want to give it a change. If specific criticism of Stoltenbberg written by some of Israel's top newspapers is not given the minimal mention in the article, then no critical information about him will even make it into this article. This discussion is taking place here as well, so I suggest we make this one here the only place to discuss it. With regards to that discussion on the noticeboard, I want to say to Elaqueate that these notable sources do not have to represent a mainstream view - we can use relevant information from them and then give them the appropriate attribution. And why are you saying Stoltenberg was called an anti-Semite because he said he "supported Palestine"? This is not what he was condemned for and your claim is very misleading. There's absolutely no justified reason not to include the ADL or Simon Wiesenthal Center sources, which received more than enough news coverage. Maybe a broader criticism section will be needed as Mishae says, I don't mind.
Here's the proposed paragraph. Please edit and work on it here until we reach a consensus we can agree upon. We can either remove all info presented here from the article, or we can give a fair weight to both sides. Censorship isn't allowed on Wikipedia. Regards Shalom11111 ( talk) 09:15, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
For some reason, the references are not visible...
Stoltenberg and Israel/the Jews
Stoltenberg has criticized Israel over its violations of international law in the Palestinian Territories as well as in international waters, such as the Gaza flotilla raid. [2] In 2006, Stoltenberg stated that "Norway condemns Israel's actions against Palestinians. Such collective punishment is totally unacceptable." [3] Stoltenberg praised doctors Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse for their humanitarian work in the Gaza Strip during the Gaza War, stating that "all of Norway" was behind them. [4] Stoltenberg was also criticized for his views and actions regarding Israel and the Jewish people on mulitple occasions. In 2006, a letter from the Simon Wiesenthal Center was appended and mentioned extreme negative actions of inter alia Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg. [5] In 2010, US senator Sam Brownback complained about a list of anti-Semitic acts by the Norwegian government, and for Norway's contact with Hamas under the Stoltenberg cabinet. [6] Similarly, Stoltenberg was criticized for his "failure to condemn anti-Israel slogans in his country" by Jpost. [7] In 2012, the Anti-Defamation League wrote a letter to him, saying that it was disturbed by his decision to participate in an anti-Israel event and was dismayed he had not denounced the slogans which called for a boycott of Israel and called it an apartheid state. [8] [9] At the end of Stoltenberg's second term in 2013, after a new government was elected in Norway, it was reported on JNS.org that many were hopeful the new government "will stem the tide of antisemitism". [10]
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Mishae is distorting my comments and presenting a plain strawman above. I have not objected to any Fox News sources in this article at all, on the contrary I have, when asked specifically about Fox News by Mishae, pointed out that Fox News is not an extremist/fringe source, quite unlike Frontpage Magazine, a source widely regarded as an extremist and fringe publication. Describing Fox News as a rather tabloid source that I would not personally spend much time arguing in favour of using because there are usually better sources around, is not the same as objecting to the permissibility of the source, and I have never objected to the inclusion of any Fox News source, and it was quite clear from the discussion that my main point, when asked by Mishae about Fox News, was that it not comparable to extremist publications. I think there is really no purpose in having a discussion with a user who twists other users' comments in such a dishonest way. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 01:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
It seems that Stoltenberg is clearly a member of this commission. Is there a reason not to mention this fact? I am asking because mention of his membership in the Commission has been deleted several times from the article. That the Commission does not have a Wikipedia article cannot be a reason not to include it here; this is not a standard for notability. HGilbert ( talk) 18:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
The BLP noticeboard states that when the subject has departed from the noticeboard, the placer of the notice is supposed to take it off the subject's page. Whoever you were, may I suggest that you comply with the requirement. Ta. - 173.16.85.205 ( talk) 20:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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Greetings, maybe this are a good sources for citation in section: https://www.newsinenglish.no/2010/07/13/stoltenberg-wants-polluters-to-pay/ and https://www.norwayexports.no/speech-at-offshore-northern-seas-2008-by-prime-minister-jens-stoltenberg/ Thank You Marek Pafčuga ( talk) 23:08, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Would anyone care to add that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.213.211.171 ( talk • contribs) 14:15, 12 February 2006 (UTC).
I find OBSCENE that a man who has been the main lobbyist for the Industrial-Military Complex of the United States pushing NATO to expand and obliging europeans to spend 2.2% of its budget into weapons, bringing on purpose the cholera of madman dictator put-in to Ukraine to kill innocent people so we get a new cold war is depicted as a 'humanist politician who started his career protesting the bombing of vietnam'... truly obscene, wikipedia twisted attempts to rewrite truth from its biased western p.o.v. are reaching new heights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.151.75.78 ( talk) 06:38, 27 February 2022 (UTC) Some information on his political standpoint and policies he has supported would make this a fuller article. Marking as a stub. Mr. Jones 09:47, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This article DID contain serious flaws. Stoltenberg haver never been in jail for pedophily!
This article made the front page in one of Norway's biggest papers, Dagbladet, when it seemed to contain serious flaws, like stating that Norway's prime minister has done time for pedophily... [1]
At the end, the article states: "He is generally considered a good guy". Is this statement suitable for a biographical article in Wikipedia? Hardly neutral point of view... I think I'll remove it. Prytz 07:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I have watchlisted this article, it seems to be under attack from quite many now, and I fear that the newspaper attention might encourage some copycat vandalism. :-( Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
A lot of vandalism going on at this page. Should we request it for page protection? Bogfjellmo 14:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
At the moment, this article is getting so much attention that we are reverting the vandalism quite quickly, so a page protection is probably not in order just yet. But I noticed that a vandalism to Kjell Magne Bondevik was left unnoticed for more than an hour, so I have watchlisted that one as well. Sjakkalle (Check!) 15:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
For the record, the pedophilia line was added by 139.164.130.171 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) at 11:47, 9 November 2005, [2] and removed at 10:16, 10 November 2005 [3], with the other vandalism by that IP removed shortly after. The IP also vandalised Red-Green Coalition (Norway) [4], which was removed in about 1.5hrs [5] - better than the 22.5hrs it took here. I've also watchlisted the article. Rd232 talk 10:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Some anonymous person 83.108.41.224 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) posted an apology on the discussion page for the article in norwegian WP. no:Diskusjon:Jens Stoltenberg. -- ZorroIII 19:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I do not think he plays computergames from his office
The bolded entries are those that seem a bit more sinister or hateful. Entries marked with an asterisk (*) aren't really vandalism but inappropriate entries such as unsourced claims and opinions. __ meco ( talk) 11:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
No sources are given in the article, and so the anon's addition of {{ unsourced}} is quite valid. Since this has become such a disputed article, I suggest we add a section with a list of sources, and all non-trivial information should refer to at least one source. -- Eddi ( Talk) 15:51, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Why is there monarch info in his infobox? __ meco ( talk) 20:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Information about Stoltenberg's suffering a mild form of Ankylosing spondylitis [6] has previously been removed. I suggest this item is notable for inclusion in the article. __ meco ( talk) 10:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure Mr. Stoltenberg attends many international meetings with many organizations. This particular meeting is not in itself very notable or unusual. I know that these meetings are of interest to conpiracy theorist, but this page ought not to favor that particular point of view. Paxuniv ( talk) 20:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Should there be some mention of the AUF membership scandal in this article? Perhaps a link in the See also section? __ meco ( talk) 11:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
A frequent theme of this article's plethora of vandalisms notwithstanding, the topic of Jens Stoltenberg's sexuality has also surfaced in Norwegian mainstream media if my recall serves me correctly. I have only a very vague time reference, it may be as far back as the 1980s, but I remember having listened to a live phone interview on what I believe was NRK Østlandssendingen were the journalist brought up circulating rumours that Stoltenberg was gay. I don't remember his response except that I found it quite frantic and overreacting. If others have some recollection of this episode or the media context perhaps an accurate time frame can facilitate recovering any references. The rationale for having the article mention such an issue would obviously be the susceptibility to undue influences which a person in high office would suffer if he or she were having personal secrets that they feared would come to public attention. __ meco ( talk) 10:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Seeing how this article is currently linked from the Main Page, it's in a horribly poor state. The AUF membership scandal, which was a minor episode in Stoltenberg's political career, takes up half the article, in clear violation of WP:UNDUE. His first cabinet is covered, but this section is almost entirely about the transfer of power. His second cabinet is hardly covered at all. I'll put up an "undue" tag, though perhaps it's better to wait until it's off the Main Page. Lampman ( talk) 09:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Maybe mention somewhere that he uses (used?) the nick Steklov when playing games, and that the reason is that KGB once used that as a code name for him? I'm not familiar with the rules regarding editing the article, so I add the information here instead. :)
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The section about Stoltenberg crashing with a parked car and then leaving the scene without giving any notice to the owner of the damaged car, was removed by EPadmirateur with the following explanation: " rv per WP:UNDUE: discussion of isolated events, criticisms, or news reports about a subject may be verifiable and neutral, but still be disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic.)" The information was originally entered into the article by 77.18.14.84 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) without any references, then promptly removed for that reason, then readded and re-written by me to remove some inaccuracies/hyperbole after I had dug up a reliable source for the incident.
I suggest that information about criminal and unethical behavior by a top-level politician is not a trivial matter and that it is much more relevant to the biography of such an individual than in the case of for instance a movie actor. These are people whose entire careers and activities hinge on the trust given to them by the voting population. When they show to behave reprehensibly, even in a non-political context, and when that has been discussed prominently in mainstream media, we would simply be amiss in doing our job of writing an encyclopedia if we did not allow such information to come to the surface. I am therefore readding this section, adding additional sources to the story.
I should also address the use of WP:UNDUE to support the removal of this text because that is really quite a stretch. In fact, the quote provided by EPadmirateur is the only segment of text in the section Due and undue weight of the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy page which could at all be invoked to address the current issue, as all the rest of the discussion there is focussed on to what extent a minority opinion contra the majority opinion is to be presented in an article about a topic. And the quote in no way supports removal or suppression of any information. All it does is point out that certain angles may be "disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic". Should we then also remove the information about his sister being a recovering heroin addict? Or that he has admitted to having smoked cannabis? Or that he has two children? Or, perhaps not the last since that couldn't be seen to paint Stoltenberg in a not so flattering light...
I think it is fine that editors keep a vigilant eye out against slander, rumour-mongering and BLP violations, but I do not think it is fine when we take on the role as apologetics and spin doctors. That can sometimes, at least for some, prove to be a fine line to thread. And I'm not reproaching EPadmirateur here, but I am insisting that this incident is noteworthy in the biographical article about the highest elected public servant of a country. __ meco ( talk) 17:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
This photograph of an adolescent Jens Stoltenberg (I assume it's authentic) has been attempted added to the article on at least a couple of occasions. I think it is quite charming/amusing. It's unlikely that it has the right licensing for our use, and some would likely object to its inclusion in any case, but I would be amicably inclined towards having it in the article if the rights could be sorted out properly. __ meco ( talk) 09:32, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I'd appreciate if others who read Norwegian and have access could check out the reference for this and make comment on the reliability on this source and the author specifically. Stoltenberg must have been 13 or 14 years old at the time, so it's more piquant than discrediting, I suppose, but nevertheless. __ meco ( talk) 03:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
I have added some new images. That's all. Why is this vandalism?? Even though you are an administrator/moderator, you have no such rights. Please explain why you deleted it. You are the one who destroys this article by deleting other peoples edits. Shame on you! --HAAVE 11:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Eisfbnore, the pictures that HAAVE added are better because they show Stoltenberg in a positive or neutral light. The File:Jens Stoltenberg of Norway.jpg is much better than the current one in the lead, File:Prime Minister Stoltenberg Jens.jpg, because Stoltenberg is not frowning. In addition, there is no background clutter of people as if the picture is just a snapshot. What is your problem with HAAVE's suggestion?
I agree with Arsenikk that File:Jens Stoltenberg.jpg is better still and should be the photo in the lead. (I also agree that the captions to the pictures should be in English, which is easy to fix.) Can we first agree on the photo for the lead? My vote is for File:Jens Stoltenberg.jpg, second choice is File:Jens Stoltenberg of Norway.jpg. Thanks, -- EPadmirateur ( talk) 03:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Was the car which Stoltenberg drove at his parking incident really a Saab 93? I think that it was more likely a Saab 9-3. 77.191.1.115 ( talk) 17:02, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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Please include the story about the passengers being paid. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23680064 The article as of today implies that the taxi story was an honest effort by Mr.Stoltenberg to listen to "the people's true meanings", citation by BBC news. Some days later it was broadcasted - also by BBC news - that the passengers were paid actors, and the story obiously lost its former credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.201.154.209 ( talk) 00:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Mr. Stoltenberg has been confirmed as the Secretary General designate of NATO. He will take office on 1 October 2014. Someone should write a little about this. 85.165.227.94 ( talk) 15:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
"brutal reminder of the necessity of NATO," stating that Russia's actions in Ukraine was "the first time since the Second World War that a country has annexed a territory belonging to another country."[47]
Apparently this guy never heard of the Golan Heights. 71.173.20.219 ( talk) 21:39, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Describing him as the "27th Prime Minister" and thus only counting prime ministers since 1905 is very ahistorical indeed and factually quite wrong. In addition to the fact that Norway had a number of prime ministers with today's title statsminister (state minister) prior to 1905 and which are regarded as the identical office, there is also the question of how heads of government with other titles than statsminister should be taken into account. And anyway, in Norway prime ministers are not counted at all. This number 27 is hence a form of original research, and not something used by Norwegian sources. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 03:40, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
<edit: this was moved from User talk:Bjerrebæk: trying to have the debate in one place. >
In this version, the first paragraph of Israel's section covers Stoltenberg's critical views Israel, and the second one covers some of the media's perception of him regarding those views he holds. But apparently, two users want only his criticism of Israel to be seen and think it's of due weight, but remove the second part which I edited, claiming it is "WP:UNDUE". I'd appreciate if an objective editor could take a look at this please and help decide on a balanced version. Shalom11111 ( talk) 15:00, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Adding a large POV-worded section sourced to far-right extremist sources in this article is completely unacceptable. Frontpage Magazine is an extremist, Islamophobic publication (published by an organization widely regarded, even in the US, as a hate group) and not a valid source. Neither is Gerstenfeld or other representatives of the extreme right [11]. Both NPOV, UNDUE and BLP applies to this high profile article on the NATO Secretary-General designate, and inappropriate content will be removed. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 17:13, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Regarding Jerusalem Post, Norway's leading newspaper of record Aftenposten specifically states that "it's a long time ago one could find reliable information in the Jerusalem Post" and that it is now owned by the far right. [12] In any event, it's not regarded as a reliable source on events in Norway, regardless of how it is perceived in Israel. Its claims in this particular case have been thoroughly discredited and proven to be fabrications, e.g. its non-existent source "David Weiss" who is as real as Stephen Glass' "JUKT Micronics". Its claims are also regarded, including by the Norwegian Jewish community, as very extreme and representative of the far right fringe. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 17:24, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
We now have a problem with a user who declares himself to be "pro-Russian" on his user page adding highly negative material in a POV and totally unencyclopedic tone to the biography of the new NATO Secretary-General, sourced to far right fringe sources, including the publication of a known American hate group which is known as the inspiration of Anders Behring Breivik (the same org. that is publishing the notorious racist website Jihad Watch) [13], and despite being told repeatedly by multiple editors that the tone of his proposed contribution as well as the sources are inappropriate for this article. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 19:40, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Reading the above comments, here's what I have to say. We can replace the Jpost source with the official Anti Defamation League website, detailing the story. Bjerrebæk, Jpost may seem "extreme, far right" in your opinion, so don't state this as a fact because that's unacceptable. Your baseless claim that FrontPage Magazine is "almost universally regarded as a racist publication" simply shows your lack of NPOV as you yourself turned this fringe view about FrontPage Magazine into an official one, and you then accused another user of being "pro-Russian", Mishae. There is nothing wrong with being pro-your country, some of your above arguments are just ridiculous. Given the number of reliable sources criticizing Stolenberg, there's no doubt that some of this criticism is of due weight, however I do think it could possibly be shortened and summarized. For the Jpost or NJF's articles writers' opinion about Stoltenberg, which claim he's antisemitic/anti-Israel, we can later determine how significant these editorial opinions are. But let's put these opinions aside for now, because there are notable reports about events relating to the subject that should be given a mention. These include the ADL's official complaint about Stoltenberg's bias; a letter from the Simon Wiesenthal Center to Stoltenberg (see the Ynet article here), and apparently there are a few more. As the guidelines say, Wikipedia aims to present competing views in proportion to their representation in reliable sources on the subject, which is exactly I attempt to do but a few users here just don't want to give it a change. If specific criticism of Stoltenbberg written by some of Israel's top newspapers is not given the minimal mention in the article, then no critical information about him will even make it into this article. This discussion is taking place here as well, so I suggest we make this one here the only place to discuss it. With regards to that discussion on the noticeboard, I want to say to Elaqueate that these notable sources do not have to represent a mainstream view - we can use relevant information from them and then give them the appropriate attribution. And why are you saying Stoltenberg was called an anti-Semite because he said he "supported Palestine"? This is not what he was condemned for and your claim is very misleading. There's absolutely no justified reason not to include the ADL or Simon Wiesenthal Center sources, which received more than enough news coverage. Maybe a broader criticism section will be needed as Mishae says, I don't mind.
Here's the proposed paragraph. Please edit and work on it here until we reach a consensus we can agree upon. We can either remove all info presented here from the article, or we can give a fair weight to both sides. Censorship isn't allowed on Wikipedia. Regards Shalom11111 ( talk) 09:15, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
For some reason, the references are not visible...
Stoltenberg and Israel/the Jews
Stoltenberg has criticized Israel over its violations of international law in the Palestinian Territories as well as in international waters, such as the Gaza flotilla raid. [2] In 2006, Stoltenberg stated that "Norway condemns Israel's actions against Palestinians. Such collective punishment is totally unacceptable." [3] Stoltenberg praised doctors Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse for their humanitarian work in the Gaza Strip during the Gaza War, stating that "all of Norway" was behind them. [4] Stoltenberg was also criticized for his views and actions regarding Israel and the Jewish people on mulitple occasions. In 2006, a letter from the Simon Wiesenthal Center was appended and mentioned extreme negative actions of inter alia Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg. [5] In 2010, US senator Sam Brownback complained about a list of anti-Semitic acts by the Norwegian government, and for Norway's contact with Hamas under the Stoltenberg cabinet. [6] Similarly, Stoltenberg was criticized for his "failure to condemn anti-Israel slogans in his country" by Jpost. [7] In 2012, the Anti-Defamation League wrote a letter to him, saying that it was disturbed by his decision to participate in an anti-Israel event and was dismayed he had not denounced the slogans which called for a boycott of Israel and called it an apartheid state. [8] [9] At the end of Stoltenberg's second term in 2013, after a new government was elected in Norway, it was reported on JNS.org that many were hopeful the new government "will stem the tide of antisemitism". [10]
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Mishae is distorting my comments and presenting a plain strawman above. I have not objected to any Fox News sources in this article at all, on the contrary I have, when asked specifically about Fox News by Mishae, pointed out that Fox News is not an extremist/fringe source, quite unlike Frontpage Magazine, a source widely regarded as an extremist and fringe publication. Describing Fox News as a rather tabloid source that I would not personally spend much time arguing in favour of using because there are usually better sources around, is not the same as objecting to the permissibility of the source, and I have never objected to the inclusion of any Fox News source, and it was quite clear from the discussion that my main point, when asked by Mishae about Fox News, was that it not comparable to extremist publications. I think there is really no purpose in having a discussion with a user who twists other users' comments in such a dishonest way. Bjerrebæk ( talk) 01:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
It seems that Stoltenberg is clearly a member of this commission. Is there a reason not to mention this fact? I am asking because mention of his membership in the Commission has been deleted several times from the article. That the Commission does not have a Wikipedia article cannot be a reason not to include it here; this is not a standard for notability. HGilbert ( talk) 18:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
The BLP noticeboard states that when the subject has departed from the noticeboard, the placer of the notice is supposed to take it off the subject's page. Whoever you were, may I suggest that you comply with the requirement. Ta. - 173.16.85.205 ( talk) 20:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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