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Two IP editors have adedd important info which, if true, needs to be included in this article. I've reverted it because it's not from a reliable source. Everyone, please keep your eyes out for news of this from a reliable source and add it if it turns up. Thanks. David in DC ( talk) 22:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Kindly cite the exact part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS which prevents this material from being cited and also your assurance of NPOV given your extensive contributions to biographies of the adult industry. PatrickDunfordNZ ( talk) 11:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
There are issues about using so-called "Jenna Presley", aka Brittni De La Mora's image for sexual purposes, when she obviously no longer consents to the use of her facial likeness for pornographic imagery. There is also bias in this article about her sexual career, when in fact she has since been largely involved with the XXX Church organization, including for instance, this video. 132.234.228.226 ( talk) 13:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
There has been some going back and forth about Brittni’s appearance on the Dr. Phil show, and what content we can use from that show in this encyclopedia. Here is the link, as a reference: {{cite web|url=https://www.drphil.com/videos/former-sex-worker-says-she-and-husband-work-to-inspire-others-to-live-what-they-call-a-pure/|title=Former Sex Worker Says She And Husband Work To Inspire Others To Live What They Call A 'Pure' Lifestyle|publisher=[[Dr. Phil (talk show)|Dr. Phil]]}}
This link makes the following claims:
The question is whether we can use this link to point out Brittni is a wife and mother. Dr. Phil is generally considered a reliable source as per discussions over at WP:RS/N, for example Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_36#Serial_Killer_Article and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_128#stupidcelebrities.net_re_Nik_Richie where other editors have stated we can use Dr. Phil’s website to make claims which, in this case, don’t have WP:BLP implications and which simply fill out the details of Brittni’s current life.
It’s a detail which is useful to have in a 300-word mini biography, it’s backed up by a reasonably reliable secondary source, so I see no controversy in including it. For the record, I have no relationship with Brittni except that I have bought her book and follow her, her husband, and her ministry on Instagram. Samboy ( talk) 04:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
There have been a couple attempts to change the name of the page recently so I thought I'd open up a discussion. It looks like Jenna/Brittni has a pretty notable career as a minster and author under the name "Brittni De La Mora" and I think it makes sense to have the page reflect her current professional name. Also, @ Morbidthoughts mentioned in his edit summary that the tenets of WP:DEADNAME may apply here, and perhaps the spirit does if not the exact letter. Based on those reasons I would support the name change. Relinus ( talk) 06:42, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) asilvering ( talk) 00:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Jenna Presley → Brittni De La Mora – Per WP:NAMECHANGES, this article should be moved to the title that most accurately reflects present-day sourcing and the current professional name/identity this WP:BLP individual uses. It is disrespectful and inaccurate to use the name "Jenna Presley" to refer to her life before and after her career in the adult film industry. Now that we are twelve years removed from her leaving the industry, it is clear that this name change is necessary based on her life since then. Such a change would still be in line with the criteria at WP:TITLE, namely WP:CRITERIA and WP:COMMONNAME. I have also seen MOS:DEADNAME cited; I recognize the specific applications of this guideline, but I do believe that its spirit applies to this situation. I would have boldly performed this move myself, but I was unable to perform the technical component due to "Brittni De La Mora" already existing as a redirect. TNstingray ( talk) 12:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
After the discussion above concludes (and assuming for the moment that my proposal goes through), I would also like to go ahead and obtain consensus regarding the names used within the article itself. I must admit that I am relatively unfamiliar with WP precedent regarding naming conventions within the actual article: would we use "Ruiz..." for early life, "Presley..." for adult film career, and "De La Mora..." for everything else? Or would we exclusively use "De La Mora", mirroring the current format exclusively using "Presley"? If anyone has a relevant MOS or other WP policy link, that would be helpful.
Thanks to @ Relinus for properly formatting the lede. TNstingray ( talk) 17:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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Two IP editors have adedd important info which, if true, needs to be included in this article. I've reverted it because it's not from a reliable source. Everyone, please keep your eyes out for news of this from a reliable source and add it if it turns up. Thanks. David in DC ( talk) 22:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Kindly cite the exact part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS which prevents this material from being cited and also your assurance of NPOV given your extensive contributions to biographies of the adult industry. PatrickDunfordNZ ( talk) 11:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
There are issues about using so-called "Jenna Presley", aka Brittni De La Mora's image for sexual purposes, when she obviously no longer consents to the use of her facial likeness for pornographic imagery. There is also bias in this article about her sexual career, when in fact she has since been largely involved with the XXX Church organization, including for instance, this video. 132.234.228.226 ( talk) 13:57, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
There has been some going back and forth about Brittni’s appearance on the Dr. Phil show, and what content we can use from that show in this encyclopedia. Here is the link, as a reference: {{cite web|url=https://www.drphil.com/videos/former-sex-worker-says-she-and-husband-work-to-inspire-others-to-live-what-they-call-a-pure/|title=Former Sex Worker Says She And Husband Work To Inspire Others To Live What They Call A 'Pure' Lifestyle|publisher=[[Dr. Phil (talk show)|Dr. Phil]]}}
This link makes the following claims:
The question is whether we can use this link to point out Brittni is a wife and mother. Dr. Phil is generally considered a reliable source as per discussions over at WP:RS/N, for example Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_36#Serial_Killer_Article and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_128#stupidcelebrities.net_re_Nik_Richie where other editors have stated we can use Dr. Phil’s website to make claims which, in this case, don’t have WP:BLP implications and which simply fill out the details of Brittni’s current life.
It’s a detail which is useful to have in a 300-word mini biography, it’s backed up by a reasonably reliable secondary source, so I see no controversy in including it. For the record, I have no relationship with Brittni except that I have bought her book and follow her, her husband, and her ministry on Instagram. Samboy ( talk) 04:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
There have been a couple attempts to change the name of the page recently so I thought I'd open up a discussion. It looks like Jenna/Brittni has a pretty notable career as a minster and author under the name "Brittni De La Mora" and I think it makes sense to have the page reflect her current professional name. Also, @ Morbidthoughts mentioned in his edit summary that the tenets of WP:DEADNAME may apply here, and perhaps the spirit does if not the exact letter. Based on those reasons I would support the name change. Relinus ( talk) 06:42, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) asilvering ( talk) 00:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Jenna Presley → Brittni De La Mora – Per WP:NAMECHANGES, this article should be moved to the title that most accurately reflects present-day sourcing and the current professional name/identity this WP:BLP individual uses. It is disrespectful and inaccurate to use the name "Jenna Presley" to refer to her life before and after her career in the adult film industry. Now that we are twelve years removed from her leaving the industry, it is clear that this name change is necessary based on her life since then. Such a change would still be in line with the criteria at WP:TITLE, namely WP:CRITERIA and WP:COMMONNAME. I have also seen MOS:DEADNAME cited; I recognize the specific applications of this guideline, but I do believe that its spirit applies to this situation. I would have boldly performed this move myself, but I was unable to perform the technical component due to "Brittni De La Mora" already existing as a redirect. TNstingray ( talk) 12:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
After the discussion above concludes (and assuming for the moment that my proposal goes through), I would also like to go ahead and obtain consensus regarding the names used within the article itself. I must admit that I am relatively unfamiliar with WP precedent regarding naming conventions within the actual article: would we use "Ruiz..." for early life, "Presley..." for adult film career, and "De La Mora..." for everything else? Or would we exclusively use "De La Mora", mirroring the current format exclusively using "Presley"? If anyone has a relevant MOS or other WP policy link, that would be helpful.
Thanks to @ Relinus for properly formatting the lede. TNstingray ( talk) 17:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)