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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 23:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Discordances wikipedia Anglais & Français "Hermès est le dieu de ..." == I started in the french wikipedia and I don't have time/energy anymore to translate everything. So here's a dump of what you find in the french wikipedia. --- cf. /info/en/?search=Hermes "Hermès est le dieu
cf. français; "Il est
Nr | Header text | Header text | Header text |
---|---|---|---|
1 | Example | Example | Example |
Nr | English wikipedia /info/en/?search=Hermes | French wikipedia https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herm%C3%A8s | Conclusion/Commentaires brefs |
---|---|---|---|
1 | commerce, ok | # des commerçants | c'est la même choses ? |
2 | héraldique | Example | Example |
3 | marchands | # des commerçants | c'est la même choses que "commerçants" ? |
4 | routes, - c'est la même choses que "gardien des routes et carrefours" ? | gardien des routes et carrefours, - c'est la même choses que "des routes" ? | Example |
1 | voleurs, ok | # des voleurs | Example |
1 | ruses, | Example | Example |
1 | sports, | Example | Example |
1 | # voyageurs - ok | # dieu des voyageurs, | Example |
1 | des athlètes | Example | Example |
1 | Example | messager des dieux | Example |
# | Example | chance (donneur de la..) | Example |
# | Example | poids et des mesures (inventeur des..) | Example |
# | Example | orateurs | Example |
14 | Example | prostituées | Example |
SvenAERTS ( talk) 10:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm a girl, so I wouldn't understand, but... Why are there lumps all over the penis of the statue? Dragonlover21 ( talk) 18:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Um... Months or years ago?! Dragonlover21 ( talk) 22:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Yep, now that I look at the dates, you're right. Sorry, Ian.thomson! Dragonlover21 ( talk) 22:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
The six-column table was very difficult to read, we certainly couldn't just read across a row normally, so I've simplified it. I hope this makes it easier for anyone to edit too. I ran into some issues.
I fear this table, the text above it, and other Wikipedia articles need a lot of clean-up due to mis-use of primary sources, but this sort of examination is slow work. Should we just delete primary sources? Or even material that only has primary sources? Or tag and revisit months later? NebY ( talk) 22:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
References
Hello sir. Don't you think that this equivalent Is nonesense because Odin doesn't fits with Hermes.Zeus would be better rather than the trickster. Who says that Odin Is a trickster? 79.131.163.115 ( talk) 14:35, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
An editor has just removed Odin from the infobox, along with the supporting link to Jens Peter Schjødt's chapter on scholarly equivalence: "Mercury – Wotan – Óðinn: One or Many?" linked just above. I was about to undo the removal, absent any form of edit summary, then noticed the question mark in the linked title and decided it might be more helpful to read the linked work, from beginning to end.
Schjødt does not support the equivalence of Hermes with Odin. He mentions the essentially Greek Hermes exactly twice (and not in connection with Odin) during a speculative exploration of the scholarly limits and historic shortfalls of such comparisons. His subject is an essentially Roman Mercury, not Hermes. They are not the same. There is no evidence for Hermes as contact, influence or equivalent to any figure in Norse religion or myth. Odin's own development and identity are strongly disputed in modern scholarship, as is "well known by all scholars dealing with Old Norse religion or mythology." Infoboxes are supposed to summarise what's essential, sure and certain in the scholarship; which this is not. The editors of the Odin article make no such claim regarding Hermes. They also seem to avoid using infoboxes. Haploidavey ( talk) 07:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
gods of various cultures whom the Greeks or Romans identified (either explicitly in surviving works, or as supported by the analyses of modern scholars) with their own gods and heroes(my emphasis), so it has Hermes -> Mercury -> Odin. It's all rather redolent of The Key to All Mythologies. NebY ( talk) 19:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi I think Loki should be his Norse equivalent because their both tricksters and beardless, Loki is the only beardless god in the Norse pantheon. Ghost Cacus ( talk) 17:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
My dad 1Greenjack1 took this photo of Hermes winged sandals. I convinced him it would be good for Wikipedia but was too shy to add it to the article himself so I did it on his behalf. I believe this is considered meatpuppeting (which I explained to my boomer dad to his amusement) so I'm disclosing for fair play etc. jengod ( talk) 21:38, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 23:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Discordances wikipedia Anglais & Français "Hermès est le dieu de ..." == I started in the french wikipedia and I don't have time/energy anymore to translate everything. So here's a dump of what you find in the french wikipedia. --- cf. /info/en/?search=Hermes "Hermès est le dieu
cf. français; "Il est
Nr | Header text | Header text | Header text |
---|---|---|---|
1 | Example | Example | Example |
Nr | English wikipedia /info/en/?search=Hermes | French wikipedia https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herm%C3%A8s | Conclusion/Commentaires brefs |
---|---|---|---|
1 | commerce, ok | # des commerçants | c'est la même choses ? |
2 | héraldique | Example | Example |
3 | marchands | # des commerçants | c'est la même choses que "commerçants" ? |
4 | routes, - c'est la même choses que "gardien des routes et carrefours" ? | gardien des routes et carrefours, - c'est la même choses que "des routes" ? | Example |
1 | voleurs, ok | # des voleurs | Example |
1 | ruses, | Example | Example |
1 | sports, | Example | Example |
1 | # voyageurs - ok | # dieu des voyageurs, | Example |
1 | des athlètes | Example | Example |
1 | Example | messager des dieux | Example |
# | Example | chance (donneur de la..) | Example |
# | Example | poids et des mesures (inventeur des..) | Example |
# | Example | orateurs | Example |
14 | Example | prostituées | Example |
SvenAERTS ( talk) 10:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm a girl, so I wouldn't understand, but... Why are there lumps all over the penis of the statue? Dragonlover21 ( talk) 18:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Um... Months or years ago?! Dragonlover21 ( talk) 22:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Yep, now that I look at the dates, you're right. Sorry, Ian.thomson! Dragonlover21 ( talk) 22:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
The six-column table was very difficult to read, we certainly couldn't just read across a row normally, so I've simplified it. I hope this makes it easier for anyone to edit too. I ran into some issues.
I fear this table, the text above it, and other Wikipedia articles need a lot of clean-up due to mis-use of primary sources, but this sort of examination is slow work. Should we just delete primary sources? Or even material that only has primary sources? Or tag and revisit months later? NebY ( talk) 22:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
References
Hello sir. Don't you think that this equivalent Is nonesense because Odin doesn't fits with Hermes.Zeus would be better rather than the trickster. Who says that Odin Is a trickster? 79.131.163.115 ( talk) 14:35, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
An editor has just removed Odin from the infobox, along with the supporting link to Jens Peter Schjødt's chapter on scholarly equivalence: "Mercury – Wotan – Óðinn: One or Many?" linked just above. I was about to undo the removal, absent any form of edit summary, then noticed the question mark in the linked title and decided it might be more helpful to read the linked work, from beginning to end.
Schjødt does not support the equivalence of Hermes with Odin. He mentions the essentially Greek Hermes exactly twice (and not in connection with Odin) during a speculative exploration of the scholarly limits and historic shortfalls of such comparisons. His subject is an essentially Roman Mercury, not Hermes. They are not the same. There is no evidence for Hermes as contact, influence or equivalent to any figure in Norse religion or myth. Odin's own development and identity are strongly disputed in modern scholarship, as is "well known by all scholars dealing with Old Norse religion or mythology." Infoboxes are supposed to summarise what's essential, sure and certain in the scholarship; which this is not. The editors of the Odin article make no such claim regarding Hermes. They also seem to avoid using infoboxes. Haploidavey ( talk) 07:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
gods of various cultures whom the Greeks or Romans identified (either explicitly in surviving works, or as supported by the analyses of modern scholars) with their own gods and heroes(my emphasis), so it has Hermes -> Mercury -> Odin. It's all rather redolent of The Key to All Mythologies. NebY ( talk) 19:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi I think Loki should be his Norse equivalent because their both tricksters and beardless, Loki is the only beardless god in the Norse pantheon. Ghost Cacus ( talk) 17:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
My dad 1Greenjack1 took this photo of Hermes winged sandals. I convinced him it would be good for Wikipedia but was too shy to add it to the article himself so I did it on his behalf. I believe this is considered meatpuppeting (which I explained to my boomer dad to his amusement) so I'm disclosing for fair play etc. jengod ( talk) 21:38, 3 February 2024 (UTC)