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How does one "effectively" commit suicide? To put that another way, is it possible to commit suicide ineffectively? (Yes, I suppose it is, and I suppose Crane did it effectively, but it's still bad writing). PiCo 16:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
In the third paragraph there are two sentences I feel are somewhat harsh; "Crane was homosexual. Part of his love for New York may have sprung from its tolerance as well as its thriving gay subculture." The first sentence seems like an attack on Hart Crane for his homosexuality. The second sentence seems unencyclopedic in that it appears as an opinion and has no support/evidence. Being related to Heart Crane, I feel that the first sentence needs to be euphemized in order to come off less offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by policeGIRL ( talk • contribs)
Are you related to Hart Crane or Heart Crane? - Daniel P
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Doing a great deal of Crane research this month and adding the more neutral bits in as I write them. Added the sections on influence and sexuality, as well as stubs for The Bridge and White Buildings; changed some minor things (he was not, although the question hasn't been quite closed, writing an 'epic' in the traditional sense; see the stub on The Bridge). Hope to add a section (almost written now) on various critical responses, as well as another stub on "The Broken Tower".-- ful.cleane ( talk) 19:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Crane's difficulty and his influence are considered at some length, and with citations, in the body of the article (which a quick survey of the contents will remind). A reductive citation in the intro. seems unnecessary. - ful cleane ( talk) 07:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello members,
I added an external link to my personal wiki of annotations to "The Bridge" (under an anonymous IP address, as I had not yet registered), and it was removed. Can you please let me know why this was, and if there's something I can do to make the addition more acceptable?
I make no money from my site; I am not an academic, so I am not attempting to further my career with my site; and I did my very best to rigorously source all of my glosses. (Some of them are simply my own suggestions or speculations, but anything factual is sourced, and anything from the work of a scholar is attributed to him or her.)
I worked very hard on my site, and I would love for others to be able to benefit from or improve upon the work I did. So if there is something I can do to make linking to it more acceptable to the Wikipedia community, please let me know. DiderotWasRight ( talk) 03:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, totally new to Wikipedia editing. Note 12 links to the wrong lecture by Grossman. Here is the proper link: http://www.genwi.com/play/8096 I'll try to change it myself, please correct if I fail. 96.240.187.224 ( talk) 01:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Yep, failed. Can someone please change the link at the next opportunity? Thanks, and sorry again if I'm posting in bad form. 96.240.187.224 ( talk) 02:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Just saw Franco on Letterman show discussing current projects, including film about Crane. Thought editors here might like to know about that. - Anon98.92.. 98.92.188.37 ( talk) 04:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to wikipedia editing, but found an image on the Romanian page for Hart Crane. I've been trying to figure out how to get it into the infobox, with no success. Here's the address: http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fișier:Hart_Crane.gif I'd like to know how to do this properly, so any help would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Titovian ( talk • contribs) 17:37, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help and fast response; I'd been wondering whether something like that might be the problem. I'll let you know if I have any other questions! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Titovian ( talk • contribs) 19:42, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
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I do not understand why "[sic]" is inserted after "across" in the following quotation in the Career section:
Just imagine looking out your window directly on the East River with nothing intervening between your view of the Statue of Liberty, way down the harbour, and the marvelous beauty of Brooklyn Bridge close above you on your right! All of the great new skyscrapers of lower Manhattan are marshaled directly across [sic] from you, and there is a constant stream of tugs, liners, sail boats, etc in procession before you on the river! It’s really a magnificent place to live. This section of Brooklyn is very old, but all the houses are in splendid condition and have not been invaded by foreigners...
The word "across" is not misspelled or misused in any way that I can see. The only justification for "[sic]", then, is that it was in the quoted source. Unfortunately:
I have done all I know to do. Since it appears to me that "[sic]" is unwarranted and therefore a source of confusion rather than clarification, I am going to remove it.-- Jim10701 ( talk) 02:44, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
We should really only describe a poet as part of a literary movement if the poet describes themselves as being part of that moment. It is not neutral to describe him as that just because some critics do, because other critics would dispute that: Harold Bloom is one example. Gregcaletta ( talk) 22:32, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The published letters may contradict me -- I haven't read them through -- but I don't think his "recommenc[ing] homosexuality activity" (what an awful phrase!) had anything to do with his suicide. That bit from Wikipedia cites the Poetry Foundation as its source, and if you read their page, you find out that this writer paraphrases the argument incorrectly. I could not find any mention of this as a motive in their bio. In fact, the Poetry Foundation biography emphasizes that Crane was in despair over the decline of his literary powers due to drink and emotional instability (possibly a form of bipolar disorder). His relationship with Opffer had failed and he had indulged in promiscuity which left him feeling dissatisfied. But even though his homosexuality was a source of conflict, given the social and familial barriers he was experiencing, he was not confused over it. He knew what he was, and the affair with Peggy Cowley was a bisexual thing -- which is far more prevalent than society acknowledges -- rather than a conversion or evasion of his sexuality.
As for the Poetry Foundation's assessment, I disagree there too. After writing his masterpiece The Bridge, he was sure to feel that the lesser lyrics lacked something, but he wrote The Broken Tower in this period, and he knew deep down that he still had what it takes. The poets who weigh in on Crane's work as a poet -- Tate, Blackmur -- are judging him from their own narrowly conceived perspectives. Currently, as witness Colm Toibin's article, Crane's work is being reassessed more generously.
I think Crane was exhausted, manic depressive, swinging from high to low, and deeply concerned about his return to New York, which meant a return to the working world of advertising and a relinquishing of his high hopes for literary achievement. The drinking skewed his perceptions, and he gave in to his demons when he hit the nadir. This statement in Wikipedia's article about the recommencing of homosexual activity ought to be expunged. There doesn't seem to be any basis for it.
JonBAnderson ( talk) 20:18, 19 October 2013 (UTC)Jon B Anderson
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How does one "effectively" commit suicide? To put that another way, is it possible to commit suicide ineffectively? (Yes, I suppose it is, and I suppose Crane did it effectively, but it's still bad writing). PiCo 16:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
In the third paragraph there are two sentences I feel are somewhat harsh; "Crane was homosexual. Part of his love for New York may have sprung from its tolerance as well as its thriving gay subculture." The first sentence seems like an attack on Hart Crane for his homosexuality. The second sentence seems unencyclopedic in that it appears as an opinion and has no support/evidence. Being related to Heart Crane, I feel that the first sentence needs to be euphemized in order to come off less offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by policeGIRL ( talk • contribs)
Are you related to Hart Crane or Heart Crane? - Daniel P
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Doing a great deal of Crane research this month and adding the more neutral bits in as I write them. Added the sections on influence and sexuality, as well as stubs for The Bridge and White Buildings; changed some minor things (he was not, although the question hasn't been quite closed, writing an 'epic' in the traditional sense; see the stub on The Bridge). Hope to add a section (almost written now) on various critical responses, as well as another stub on "The Broken Tower".-- ful.cleane ( talk) 19:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Crane's difficulty and his influence are considered at some length, and with citations, in the body of the article (which a quick survey of the contents will remind). A reductive citation in the intro. seems unnecessary. - ful cleane ( talk) 07:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello members,
I added an external link to my personal wiki of annotations to "The Bridge" (under an anonymous IP address, as I had not yet registered), and it was removed. Can you please let me know why this was, and if there's something I can do to make the addition more acceptable?
I make no money from my site; I am not an academic, so I am not attempting to further my career with my site; and I did my very best to rigorously source all of my glosses. (Some of them are simply my own suggestions or speculations, but anything factual is sourced, and anything from the work of a scholar is attributed to him or her.)
I worked very hard on my site, and I would love for others to be able to benefit from or improve upon the work I did. So if there is something I can do to make linking to it more acceptable to the Wikipedia community, please let me know. DiderotWasRight ( talk) 03:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, totally new to Wikipedia editing. Note 12 links to the wrong lecture by Grossman. Here is the proper link: http://www.genwi.com/play/8096 I'll try to change it myself, please correct if I fail. 96.240.187.224 ( talk) 01:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Yep, failed. Can someone please change the link at the next opportunity? Thanks, and sorry again if I'm posting in bad form. 96.240.187.224 ( talk) 02:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Just saw Franco on Letterman show discussing current projects, including film about Crane. Thought editors here might like to know about that. - Anon98.92.. 98.92.188.37 ( talk) 04:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to wikipedia editing, but found an image on the Romanian page for Hart Crane. I've been trying to figure out how to get it into the infobox, with no success. Here's the address: http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fișier:Hart_Crane.gif I'd like to know how to do this properly, so any help would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Titovian ( talk • contribs) 17:37, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help and fast response; I'd been wondering whether something like that might be the problem. I'll let you know if I have any other questions! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Titovian ( talk • contribs) 19:42, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
An image used in this article, File:Hart Crane 1930.jpg, has been nominated for speedy deletion for the following reason: All Wikipedia files with unknown copyright status
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I do not understand why "[sic]" is inserted after "across" in the following quotation in the Career section:
Just imagine looking out your window directly on the East River with nothing intervening between your view of the Statue of Liberty, way down the harbour, and the marvelous beauty of Brooklyn Bridge close above you on your right! All of the great new skyscrapers of lower Manhattan are marshaled directly across [sic] from you, and there is a constant stream of tugs, liners, sail boats, etc in procession before you on the river! It’s really a magnificent place to live. This section of Brooklyn is very old, but all the houses are in splendid condition and have not been invaded by foreigners...
The word "across" is not misspelled or misused in any way that I can see. The only justification for "[sic]", then, is that it was in the quoted source. Unfortunately:
I have done all I know to do. Since it appears to me that "[sic]" is unwarranted and therefore a source of confusion rather than clarification, I am going to remove it.-- Jim10701 ( talk) 02:44, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
We should really only describe a poet as part of a literary movement if the poet describes themselves as being part of that moment. It is not neutral to describe him as that just because some critics do, because other critics would dispute that: Harold Bloom is one example. Gregcaletta ( talk) 22:32, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The published letters may contradict me -- I haven't read them through -- but I don't think his "recommenc[ing] homosexuality activity" (what an awful phrase!) had anything to do with his suicide. That bit from Wikipedia cites the Poetry Foundation as its source, and if you read their page, you find out that this writer paraphrases the argument incorrectly. I could not find any mention of this as a motive in their bio. In fact, the Poetry Foundation biography emphasizes that Crane was in despair over the decline of his literary powers due to drink and emotional instability (possibly a form of bipolar disorder). His relationship with Opffer had failed and he had indulged in promiscuity which left him feeling dissatisfied. But even though his homosexuality was a source of conflict, given the social and familial barriers he was experiencing, he was not confused over it. He knew what he was, and the affair with Peggy Cowley was a bisexual thing -- which is far more prevalent than society acknowledges -- rather than a conversion or evasion of his sexuality.
As for the Poetry Foundation's assessment, I disagree there too. After writing his masterpiece The Bridge, he was sure to feel that the lesser lyrics lacked something, but he wrote The Broken Tower in this period, and he knew deep down that he still had what it takes. The poets who weigh in on Crane's work as a poet -- Tate, Blackmur -- are judging him from their own narrowly conceived perspectives. Currently, as witness Colm Toibin's article, Crane's work is being reassessed more generously.
I think Crane was exhausted, manic depressive, swinging from high to low, and deeply concerned about his return to New York, which meant a return to the working world of advertising and a relinquishing of his high hopes for literary achievement. The drinking skewed his perceptions, and he gave in to his demons when he hit the nadir. This statement in Wikipedia's article about the recommencing of homosexual activity ought to be expunged. There doesn't seem to be any basis for it.
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