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This assertion that Rudel himself claimed 51 enemy aircraft has no basis in fact; it's been a few years since I read his book, but I believe the accepted figure was 9 or 10. 51 is ludicrous, and supported by nothing other than the imaginings of some very noisy modern fanboys. Again, to be clear: not even Rudel himself, a man not known for his modesty, claimed anywhere close to this number of aerial victories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:4700:7D64:5874:E069:229B:B3C0 ( talk) 07:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
This nickname apparently comes from Rudel's own book; see [1] in The Myth of the Eastern Front. Rudel's memoirs are not an independent source. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 07:29, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Excuse me but what you posted here is a book named The Myth of the Eastern Front written by Ronald Smelser and Edward J. Davies. This is not Rudel's memoirs and it is not written by Rudel himself. The specific extract from the book that you posted here is merely a mention of the fact that Rudel was known as the Eagle of the Eastern front. Moreover, I used 4 independent and reliable sources, including a book. To sum up, 1) The book is not Rudel's memoirs and obviously it is not written by Rudel himself 2) I used 4 independent and reliable sources including a book 3) The nickname Adler der Ostfront is well known for anyone who has even the slightest knowledge regarding the military history of World War II. The are dozens of nicknames for many other military figures from both the United States, England, Soviet Union and Nazi Germany: Rommel, Spatz etc and tens of others, see: List of military figures by nickname. Lynxavier ( talk) 07:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Personally, I agree with Assayer and Coffman. A genuine nickname is usually something that someone is called at the time, but this appellation appears to have been coined decades after the fact by neonazi propagandists. (For comparison, see the British pilots - they are called things like "Ginger" or "Widge" rather than "Eagle of the Channel Front"). History.net and airforcemag are probably not the most reliable sources on the subject. Catrìona ( talk) 11:11, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Can we get a RS for his place of birth? The issue is subject to some edit warring on pl wiki, but witout many sources cited. A German source is cited for Grzędy, Lower Silesian Voivodeship (Konradswaldau) while a local newspaper for Kondratów (also, German Konradswaldau). So while we can be sure he was born in Konradswaldau, the question is - which Konradswaldau? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
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This assertion that Rudel himself claimed 51 enemy aircraft has no basis in fact; it's been a few years since I read his book, but I believe the accepted figure was 9 or 10. 51 is ludicrous, and supported by nothing other than the imaginings of some very noisy modern fanboys. Again, to be clear: not even Rudel himself, a man not known for his modesty, claimed anywhere close to this number of aerial victories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:4700:7D64:5874:E069:229B:B3C0 ( talk) 07:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
This nickname apparently comes from Rudel's own book; see [1] in The Myth of the Eastern Front. Rudel's memoirs are not an independent source. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 07:29, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Excuse me but what you posted here is a book named The Myth of the Eastern Front written by Ronald Smelser and Edward J. Davies. This is not Rudel's memoirs and it is not written by Rudel himself. The specific extract from the book that you posted here is merely a mention of the fact that Rudel was known as the Eagle of the Eastern front. Moreover, I used 4 independent and reliable sources, including a book. To sum up, 1) The book is not Rudel's memoirs and obviously it is not written by Rudel himself 2) I used 4 independent and reliable sources including a book 3) The nickname Adler der Ostfront is well known for anyone who has even the slightest knowledge regarding the military history of World War II. The are dozens of nicknames for many other military figures from both the United States, England, Soviet Union and Nazi Germany: Rommel, Spatz etc and tens of others, see: List of military figures by nickname. Lynxavier ( talk) 07:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Personally, I agree with Assayer and Coffman. A genuine nickname is usually something that someone is called at the time, but this appellation appears to have been coined decades after the fact by neonazi propagandists. (For comparison, see the British pilots - they are called things like "Ginger" or "Widge" rather than "Eagle of the Channel Front"). History.net and airforcemag are probably not the most reliable sources on the subject. Catrìona ( talk) 11:11, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Can we get a RS for his place of birth? The issue is subject to some edit warring on pl wiki, but witout many sources cited. A German source is cited for Grzędy, Lower Silesian Voivodeship (Konradswaldau) while a local newspaper for Kondratów (also, German Konradswaldau). So while we can be sure he was born in Konradswaldau, the question is - which Konradswaldau? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)