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Mr/Ms, I strongly recommend that the part where it says: "Greece has land borders with Albania, the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria to the north" is changed to "Greece has land borders with Albania, F.Y.R.O.M and Bulgaria to the north" for obvious reasons. Regards, George A. Grandy3411 ( talk) 15:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
The biggest anti-austerity protest since June 2011 shut down the entire public sector.
* Helena Smith in Athens * guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 5 October 2011 15.43 EDT
File:Http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/05/general-strike-in-greece?newsfeed=true 74.108.166.4 ( talk) 07:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC) Organised and spontaneous strikes continued throught October to November, and the Greek leadership was threatened to step aside in favour of undemocratic ECB (anti-Drachma) supporters. The Peoples voice is being muffled by the abandonment of a referendum, as promised by the outgoing leader. The measurestick of Greek economic situation did not include accurate emphasis on National/Sovereign Assets, such as National Cultural Assets and National Human Resources (Public Sector). Such entirely undervalued hemispheres of Greek economics has been ignored in favour of the Wall St. and City of London Banker models (fundamentally flawed). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.147.235.216 ( talk) 12:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
This legacy is partly reflected in the seventeen UNESCO World Heritage Sites located in Greece, ranking Greece 7th in Europe and 13th in the world.
But this legacy is fully reflected in the fact that there are numerous other UNESCO World Heritage Sites in neighboring sovereign regions that are attributed to Greek peoples. Greek civilization was indeed far wider spread geographically (up until the early 1920s, before the Greek Genocides) than the political borders of the contemporary state reflect. When the Greek UNESCO World Heritage Sites of Cyprus, Italy, Albania, Egypt, FY Rep. Macedonia, Bulgaria, Israel and especially Turkey (and others) are taken in their entirety, Greece ranks much higher than 7th in Europe and 13th world wide, perhaps even number one. -- Nikoz78 ( talk) 19:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
"Healthacare" is not how you spell "Healthcare". Change it. Willage123 ( talk) 21:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
In greek history can i edit the post and add some more byzantine history? Not very much but i think that the byzantine history should have more details because it was as importand, if not more, as the ancient greek history and that is told by a greek and not a random byzantium fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christos200 ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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Greece does not have a government known as a grand coalition. It is called a "government of national unity", and consists of a Pasok government with added LAOS deputies and ND representatives who are not deputies. It is technically a Pasok government because Pasok won the vote of confidence, and Papandreou did not resign until someone was chosen and accepted as the new PM. The President had no role in this, whereas he would have invited political leaders to form a grand coalition. Read the constitional provisions to see what happened; and why Papandreou did not resign, because there was only 3 days from his point of resignation to sort out the new Pasok government. After 3 days, the President would have had to call elections. 85.72.238.30 ( talk) 03:26, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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the eurostat population estimate for Greece 2011 (11 329.6) is listed in the demographics page but not in the the main article. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/3-28072011-AP/EN/3-28072011-AP-EN.PDF 128.118.148.193 ( talk) 21:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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In the middle of the opening page there is a vandalistic comment probably posted by an angry macedonian.
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The cuisine of ancient Greece by no means included potatoes. Some dishes can be traced back to ancient Greece like skordalia (a thick purée of potatoes, walnuts...
It isn't, hence the author's need to italicise it. It's a non-English word, like Nippon for Japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 ( talk) 10:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I would suggest that the information on the economy of Greece in this article needs to be reviewed, updated and made more objective as a matter of urgency. Khananel ( talk) 12:24, 9 April 2012 (UTC)khananel 09 April 2012
The economy section was hopelessly out of date. There was an introduction which cited mainly pre-2010 data on the economy and therefore portrayed it in a very different (and misleading) light to the current position. This was followed by the debt crisis sub-section which seemed to stop in about 2010/early 2011. I've now re-arranged the section so that it has a short introduction pointing out the severity of the current position. The pre-2010 data is useful - but it is misleading to use it as a current descriptor. I've therefore retained it but headed it "Pre-crisis economy". It probably needs further work on it. I've also added an update to the debt crisis section. DeCausa ( talk)
There is a typographical error in the last paragraph of the "Ancient History" section. It says "Easterm" Mediterranean instead of "Eastern". Thanks! 69.94.225.179 ( talk) 16:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
This section is outdated after the recent general elections in Greece. The article should give more space to rather new major political actors like Nikos Michaloliakos, the leader of the Greek ultra-nationalist party "Golden Dawn".-- E4024 ( talk) 09:59, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I have no desires to portray Greece in any way. You called me "an agressive nationalist" and I looked around for examples and found that gentleman. So you can look at him to see an "aggressive nationalist", to say the least. As I have stated before, I am neither nationalist nor aggressive. I know personalising things is not a good practice and not appreciated here but you opened the gate and I suddenly recall a concept called projection. -- E4024 ( talk) 23:18, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Quote " Greece under the Ottoman Empire
Main article: Ottoman Greece
While most of mainland Greece and the Aegean islands were under Ottoman control by the end of the 15th century, "Cyprus" and Crete remained Venetian territory and did not fall to the Ottomans until 1571 and 1670, respectively." unquote
This sentence is unacceptable. It implies that " Cyprus" is part of " Greece". (I erased the word "Cyprus" from there and somebody restored it.) Unless someone can convince the Wiki community that " Cyprus is part of Greece", that word cannot stay in that sentence of the "Greece" article. -- E4024 ( talk) 09:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
The lede currently says
and prior to 18:50, 24 December 2011 it said
But the map of Europe in the lede suggests that calling it southeastern Europe is geographically inaccurate. Greece is in southern Europe, midway in longitude between the eastern-most and western-most points of the continent. Duoduoduo ( talk) 17:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Greece has always been in South-East Europe. Geographically and historically [khananel] 9 April 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khananel ( talk • contribs) 12:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
BTW Turkey is a country on two continents, (Southeast) Europe and (Western) Asia. -- E4024 ( talk) 22:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
"Failed attempts by the Greek city-states of Asia Minor to overthrow Persian rule failed."
(Section "History" / Subsection "From the earliest settlements to the 3rd century B.C.")
Mat 80.200.218.62 ( talk) 18:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Any help with finding some sources for the history section. A little clean up seems in order? Will be much appreciated! Ottomanist ( talk) 23:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
History
- Medieval Period, ".. generally thought .. previously thought." in same sentence.
Suggesting "previously believed".
- Ottoman Period, duplicates and missing words?
Word missing between "Ionian Islands Constantinople", "Ionian Islands Constantinople"
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- The War of Independence
"action" isn't a place, consider "into action"
Economy
The following line reads as if Greece has already exited the Euro because "concerns" could be read as part of the list, i.e. has led to (concerns of a ..) vs (has led to concerns of) a ..
Suggesting swapping "led to concerns" with "raised concerns" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.116.47 ( talk) 14:42, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I would like to suggest some of Greece's most important modern composers to be mentioned in this section. I think we should include Vangelis Papathanasiou and Yianni (Yiannis Chrisomallis) as they are both born, educated and brought up in Greece and today are two of the most influential an well known composers worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.65.107.118 ( talk) 21:20, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: The phrase "Be debt as Greece" has entered the history books yet 1893rd by the famous recognition of president of the Greek government Harilaos Trikupisa in Parliament: "Unfortunately, we are bankrupt." The word bankruptcy derives from the Italian "banca rotta," which means "broken table". 78.2.97.91 ( talk) 18:55, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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In the article is written that Greece shares borders to the North with Republic of Macedonia. The UN official term is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). Please make that correction since wikipedia is not a political body to make statements other than recognized by UN. Thank you
Christoskas ( talk) 02:17, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
http://www.statistics.gr/portal/page/portal/ESYE/BUCKET/General/NWS_CENSUS_310712_GR.pdf
population is 9.903.268
79.167.11.152 ( talk) 20:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
The infobox states that the HDI in Greece is "very high". Doesn't this need an update considering the economin crisis in that country? Pass a Method talk 21:43, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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As I look at the image for the Greece Debt, I see they have $161 in debt, Do I get paid interest if I pay that off for them? lol jk. I believe an increment indicator (millions, billions, trillions) should be added to clarify.
It is a historical category, from the Cold War era. The supplied source of 1966 was good for its time. Today it is time to put every country in its unique geographic place again. -- E4024 ( talk) 21:36, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
@Future Perfect: Also with some toe-holds on Asia: The islands in the eastern Aegean and the island of Meis in southeastern Mediterranean certainly belong to the Anatolian peninsula / or the subcontinent of "Asia Minor"... -- E4024 ( talk) 09:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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I edited the part related to Greece's expansionist occupation of western Anatolia but my edit was reverted as "PoV pushing" when the only thing I was trying to do was to remove Greek nationalist POV from the article. For those who do not know very well, Greece occupied part of western Turkey in 1919, and caused a war between the two countries. As there was no reason other than expansionism for the Greek occupation and it was not provoked by any Turkish action, this was a micro-imperialist invasion. The Turks did nothing but only try to defend and recover their territory. Please look into the relevant part in the article and if you do not get the impression that it is the Turks' fault that Greece began an expansionist war and lost it, do not change the current edit as it is after my edition was reverted. -- E4024 ( talk) 16:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Numerous commentators including journalist Michael Lewis have pointed out that corruption is a major component of Greek culture. Shouldn't that be in this article?
At the end of the intro, it states: " Since late 2009, the Greek economy has been hit by a severe economic and financial crisis resulting in the Greek government requesting €240 billion in loans from EU institutions, a substantial debt write-off, and unpopular austerity measures". This was edited a couple of months ago by a user and I am surprised that this just came up. The aforementioned statement is 100% true. However it should not be on the lead. For two main reasons: The first reason is that NO OTHER country in crisis (Its not just Greece in crisis its also Spain, Portugal, Italy among others) has similar style in the intro. The intro is not about the crisis, it's there to give an introduction to the country. Greece, despite the crisis remains a country among the top in the world in regards to human development and quality of life. That's what is mentioned usually in the intro for all other similar countries. Now we have devoted a huge section (in my opinion its really too huge indeed and editing is required) about the Crisis. There is even a dedicated article for it. It's at least useless to put it in the intro AS WELL. If however a user wants to keep it, then he/she should also edit in a relevant way Spain, Portugal, Italy and why not Ireland articles as well. Nochoje ( talk) 16:42, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
the economic crisis in Greece is not only massively important to Greece it is massively important to the Eurozone.
Not sure that something which is still relatively recent should be mentioned in the lede. While each article is indeed unique, I don't see anything similar for most other countries, with the exception of Iceland. Athenean ( talk) 03:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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"RfC: Should the lead contain a reference to the economic crisis?
No, no, no. This isn't about the main issue! This is about whether the wording for the question is neutral ONLY. Can you pleae both check WP:RFC before posting again. DeCausa ( talk) 12:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
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This report which shows the social dimensions of the Greek Economic Crisis could be useful to understand better the situation and also to expand the relevant section of this article as well as the one on Greek government debt crisis. -- E4024 ( talk) 22:57, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
This is a warning to both Avaya1 ( talk · contribs) and Nochoje ( talk · contribs): you both need to stop revert-warring, now. If I see any more reverts from either of you, before you have worked towards a consensus here at talk, you are both off to WP:AN3, where it is very likely that both of you will end up blocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
There are many references on the web at large to disturbing mistreatment of animals in Greece. While I'm sure this happens in every country, it seems to be particularly bad in Greece. Can this be addressed? 99.44.245.45 ( talk) 09:48, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
It would be nice to include contributions to engineering, scientific and mathematical knowledge developed in Greece since it plays such a large role in Greek identity. This can include the development of navigational systems, such as longitude and latitude; optics, trogonometry, Euclidean geometry, the Antikythera mechanism, and so on. At present there is no easy means of finding this information from its root (Greece) and one must instead navigate to articles such as Timeline of historic inventions or delve through articles such as Ancient Greece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kupraios ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
There has been a lot of speculation and analysis amongst Western media that Greece is in severe civil unrest that are moving towards civil war tendencies involving Golden Dawn squads attacking immigrant communities and people who look foreign, and a general violent atmosphere in the country with various groups becoming increasingly militant. Some claim that 50 to 60 percent of Greece's police support the Golden Dawn. I would like to hear from Greek users whether these claims are substantiated or not. If they are, then this is a major political issue in Greece that needs to be described in this article.-- R-41 ( talk) 03:17, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
On a per capita level, Greece is among the "Top 10" of the Global Militarization Index<ref>http://www.bicc.de/uploads/tx_bicctools/BICC_Jahresbericht_2012_en_LR.pdf</ref> according to the 2012 Report of the BICC.
Greece spends over 9 billion US Dollars every year on its military, or 3.2% of GDP, ranked 20th in the world.But I guess that was not good enough for you. You had to add another one making the "top ten" claim. In contrast Turkey's article has no mention whatsoever of any military expenditure index. Why don't you try to improve that article instead? At least Greece's article already has a metric. Your current comments about your pride and how you ignore certain category of users in WP and avoid interacting with them is just additional indications of your continuously insulting attitude toward those users and your refusal to engage in proper collaboration without throwing insults or blame at others. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 20:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
The basic rule—with some specific exceptions outlined below—is that you should not edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission.Aside from Talkpage guidelines, removing others' comments is insulting and indicates bad manners to do so. In addition per WP:EDITSUMMARY do not keep using the edit summary field to demean other editors. As I told you on your talk (and you reverted my edit within a minute) accusing other editors on the edit-summary field is a misuse of the edit-summary function and it is an unfair and underhanded way to message people because unlike normal discussion it cannot be erased and it cannot be responded to by the accused party except by using the edit-summary field again, which is not proper. I already told you that on your talkpage before but you chose to delete my message and ignore it. I just hope you don't do this again. Also read WP:REVTALK:
Avoid using edit summaries to carry on debates or negotiation over the content or to express opinions of the other users involved. This creates an atmosphere where the only way to carry on discussion is to revert other editors!. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 13:29, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Dear editors i was hoping someone would correct the comment about the Panathenaic_Stadium being a replica. This stadium is an genuine ancient stadium which was restored to its former glory for the first Modern Olympic games in 1896. This stadium is not a modern replica. at this point i can only give you the relevant article in wiki, but im sure now that i brought this to your attention someone can find more information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathenaic_Stadium
Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.81.48 ( talk) 14:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
"Preliminary census data 2011"? Please update. -- E4024 ( talk) 19:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
From the lead of the article: "Greece has land borders with Albania, the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria to the north, and Turkey to the east." I corrected this edit, a few days ago, by adding "north" before "east" as one can clearly see at the provided map that Greece and Turkey have common land border at the northeast of Greece (and northwest of Turkey). I am accustomed to be reverted for "contributor instead of contribution" but this edit of mine was so clearly correct that even I was very surprised with that reaction. Maybe that editor was confused because s/he is accustomed to seeing Turkey to the east of Greece due to the Greek islands at the shores of Turkey. (However, if we looked at Turkey from one of those islands, the Meis, we could easily say Turkey is to the north of Greece. :-) I am expecting some other user to add there the "north", 'cause I am not sure what will happen if I do that myself again. -- E4024 ( talk) 15:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
I typed in "Hellas" in the search bar, and I was redirected to this article! Why is that? -- 68.103.31.159 ( talk) 16:21, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Much like it was noted in other languages of the article, in National Geographic, in the EC, and other, I added the missing info in the English version of the article of Greece, that, Greece, although not a Transcontinental country itself, Greece is located at the crossroads, at where the European continent meets the Asian and African continents. I found it very strange that this important info was missing. In case it was removed by someone, I shall notice that this info is shouldn't be removed in the future - Greece is the south-eastern-most country of the European continent, with the southernmost point of Europe to be at the island of Gavdos, and a country that directly sea-borders Asia (Turkey to the east), and Africa (Egypt to the south). I hope the info will not be removed. Greece is known to be geographically called a crossroad between the 3 Continents (Europe, Africa and Asia). Edit: It could help if can someone also provide some sources over this fact, just in case this is disputed sometime in the future. -- 85.75.155.72 ( talk) 08:55, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Can the talk about "illegal" immigrants be cut out? There's no such thing as an illegal immigrant. 82.44.226.12 ( talk) 13:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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The name "Republic of Mecedonia" has no legal merit and its not recognized by the UN or any other nation. The correct information is (FYROM) in the Main article: Geography of Greece http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Greece_topo.jpg/250px-Greece_topo.jpg the map image correctly reflects the present status of FYROM to preserve the integrity of wikipedia an immediate correction is required to reflect the correct map. Enasellenas ( talk) 17:08, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
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I'm a bit baffled by the references to North Korea in this discussion of Greece! Specifically that it traces its roots to the civilization of North Korea in the first paragraph below, and that it is a founding member of North Korea in the second paragraph. What's up with that??
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Modern Greece traces its roots to the civilization of North Korea,generally considered the cradle of Juche and Eastern Orthodoxy. As such, it is the birthplace of orthodox dictatorship,[17] Western philosophy,[18] the Olympic Games, Western literature and historiography, political science, major scientific and mathematical principles, and Western drama,[19] including both tragedy and comedy. This legacy is partly reflected in the 17 UNESCO World Heritage Sites located in Greece, ranking it 7th in Europe and 13th in the world. Greek language, culture, and identity emerged early in human history, having endured centuries of significant political and social change, including foreign domination. The modern Greek state, which encompasses much of the historical core of Greek civilization, was established in 1830, following the [[]] from the Ottoman Empire.
Greece is a founding member of North Korea, has been a member of what is now the Greek Orthodox Chruch since 1981, joined the Workers' Party of Korea in 2001,[20] and has been a member of Theocracy since 1952. Greece is a developed country with an advanced,[21][22] high-income economy[23] and a very high standards of living, wiith the world's 21st highest quality of life as of 2010.[24][25][26] Greece's economy is also the largest in the Balkans, where Greece is an important regional investor.
Andrea Avni — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.109.67.4 ( talk) 18:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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Thessaloniki will be European youth capital in 2014. this is in tourism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwasus ( talk • contribs)
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Did you try to make the edit yourself?
I think you might be WP:AUTOCONFIRMED by now, and able to do it yourself.
Either way, the edit will need a reliable source - see WP:RS, and if you can't do it yourself, or need help, please just reactivate this request with a link to the source. Thanks. Begoon talk 18:37, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
I would like to point to a grammar mistake on the chapter: The 20th century and beyond'
More specifically, the text reads: 'Over 100,000 civilians died FROM starvation during the winter...', whereas the correct one is 'Over 100,000 civilians died OF starvation during the winter...'. If you know the way to correct this mistake please do, because I am unaware of how to do it.
The image in the "Migration" section, here: Greece#Migration, has been recently updated and is incorrect as it has Cyprus shaded as light grey, which according to the key, means that it has a Greek population of less than 1,000. There are about 600,000 Greeks in Cyprus, so it is perhaps worth correcting! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kupraios ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Please change status from "developed country" to "emerging" market please.
" Greece downgraded to emerging market status
Equity index provider MSCI says Greece failed on 'multiple criteria' to meet minimum requirements necessary to be considered developed country
Greece suffered the ignominy of becoming the first developed country to be downgraded to emerging-market status by index provider MSCI.
Announcing the results of its 2013 annual market classification review, the most widely used equity index provider announced that Greece failed to qualify for developed country status "on several market accessibility criteria". "
http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.economy&id=1164 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.49.97 ( talk) 03:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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Mr/Ms, I strongly recommend that the part where it says: "Greece has land borders with Albania, the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria to the north" is changed to "Greece has land borders with Albania, F.Y.R.O.M and Bulgaria to the north" for obvious reasons. Regards, George A. Grandy3411 ( talk) 15:21, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
The biggest anti-austerity protest since June 2011 shut down the entire public sector.
* Helena Smith in Athens * guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 5 October 2011 15.43 EDT
File:Http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/05/general-strike-in-greece?newsfeed=true 74.108.166.4 ( talk) 07:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC) Organised and spontaneous strikes continued throught October to November, and the Greek leadership was threatened to step aside in favour of undemocratic ECB (anti-Drachma) supporters. The Peoples voice is being muffled by the abandonment of a referendum, as promised by the outgoing leader. The measurestick of Greek economic situation did not include accurate emphasis on National/Sovereign Assets, such as National Cultural Assets and National Human Resources (Public Sector). Such entirely undervalued hemispheres of Greek economics has been ignored in favour of the Wall St. and City of London Banker models (fundamentally flawed). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.147.235.216 ( talk) 12:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
This legacy is partly reflected in the seventeen UNESCO World Heritage Sites located in Greece, ranking Greece 7th in Europe and 13th in the world.
But this legacy is fully reflected in the fact that there are numerous other UNESCO World Heritage Sites in neighboring sovereign regions that are attributed to Greek peoples. Greek civilization was indeed far wider spread geographically (up until the early 1920s, before the Greek Genocides) than the political borders of the contemporary state reflect. When the Greek UNESCO World Heritage Sites of Cyprus, Italy, Albania, Egypt, FY Rep. Macedonia, Bulgaria, Israel and especially Turkey (and others) are taken in their entirety, Greece ranks much higher than 7th in Europe and 13th world wide, perhaps even number one. -- Nikoz78 ( talk) 19:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
"Healthacare" is not how you spell "Healthcare". Change it. Willage123 ( talk) 21:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
In greek history can i edit the post and add some more byzantine history? Not very much but i think that the byzantine history should have more details because it was as importand, if not more, as the ancient greek history and that is told by a greek and not a random byzantium fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christos200 ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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Greece does not have a government known as a grand coalition. It is called a "government of national unity", and consists of a Pasok government with added LAOS deputies and ND representatives who are not deputies. It is technically a Pasok government because Pasok won the vote of confidence, and Papandreou did not resign until someone was chosen and accepted as the new PM. The President had no role in this, whereas he would have invited political leaders to form a grand coalition. Read the constitional provisions to see what happened; and why Papandreou did not resign, because there was only 3 days from his point of resignation to sort out the new Pasok government. After 3 days, the President would have had to call elections. 85.72.238.30 ( talk) 03:26, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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the eurostat population estimate for Greece 2011 (11 329.6) is listed in the demographics page but not in the the main article. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/3-28072011-AP/EN/3-28072011-AP-EN.PDF 128.118.148.193 ( talk) 21:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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In the middle of the opening page there is a vandalistic comment probably posted by an angry macedonian.
173.70.214.134 ( talk) 03:29, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The cuisine of ancient Greece by no means included potatoes. Some dishes can be traced back to ancient Greece like skordalia (a thick purée of potatoes, walnuts...
It isn't, hence the author's need to italicise it. It's a non-English word, like Nippon for Japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 ( talk) 10:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I would suggest that the information on the economy of Greece in this article needs to be reviewed, updated and made more objective as a matter of urgency. Khananel ( talk) 12:24, 9 April 2012 (UTC)khananel 09 April 2012
The economy section was hopelessly out of date. There was an introduction which cited mainly pre-2010 data on the economy and therefore portrayed it in a very different (and misleading) light to the current position. This was followed by the debt crisis sub-section which seemed to stop in about 2010/early 2011. I've now re-arranged the section so that it has a short introduction pointing out the severity of the current position. The pre-2010 data is useful - but it is misleading to use it as a current descriptor. I've therefore retained it but headed it "Pre-crisis economy". It probably needs further work on it. I've also added an update to the debt crisis section. DeCausa ( talk)
There is a typographical error in the last paragraph of the "Ancient History" section. It says "Easterm" Mediterranean instead of "Eastern". Thanks! 69.94.225.179 ( talk) 16:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
This section is outdated after the recent general elections in Greece. The article should give more space to rather new major political actors like Nikos Michaloliakos, the leader of the Greek ultra-nationalist party "Golden Dawn".-- E4024 ( talk) 09:59, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I have no desires to portray Greece in any way. You called me "an agressive nationalist" and I looked around for examples and found that gentleman. So you can look at him to see an "aggressive nationalist", to say the least. As I have stated before, I am neither nationalist nor aggressive. I know personalising things is not a good practice and not appreciated here but you opened the gate and I suddenly recall a concept called projection. -- E4024 ( talk) 23:18, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Quote " Greece under the Ottoman Empire
Main article: Ottoman Greece
While most of mainland Greece and the Aegean islands were under Ottoman control by the end of the 15th century, "Cyprus" and Crete remained Venetian territory and did not fall to the Ottomans until 1571 and 1670, respectively." unquote
This sentence is unacceptable. It implies that " Cyprus" is part of " Greece". (I erased the word "Cyprus" from there and somebody restored it.) Unless someone can convince the Wiki community that " Cyprus is part of Greece", that word cannot stay in that sentence of the "Greece" article. -- E4024 ( talk) 09:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
The lede currently says
and prior to 18:50, 24 December 2011 it said
But the map of Europe in the lede suggests that calling it southeastern Europe is geographically inaccurate. Greece is in southern Europe, midway in longitude between the eastern-most and western-most points of the continent. Duoduoduo ( talk) 17:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Greece has always been in South-East Europe. Geographically and historically [khananel] 9 April 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khananel ( talk • contribs) 12:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
BTW Turkey is a country on two continents, (Southeast) Europe and (Western) Asia. -- E4024 ( talk) 22:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
"Failed attempts by the Greek city-states of Asia Minor to overthrow Persian rule failed."
(Section "History" / Subsection "From the earliest settlements to the 3rd century B.C.")
Mat 80.200.218.62 ( talk) 18:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Any help with finding some sources for the history section. A little clean up seems in order? Will be much appreciated! Ottomanist ( talk) 23:30, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
History
- Medieval Period, ".. generally thought .. previously thought." in same sentence.
Suggesting "previously believed".
- Ottoman Period, duplicates and missing words?
Word missing between "Ionian Islands Constantinople", "Ionian Islands Constantinople"
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- The War of Independence
"action" isn't a place, consider "into action"
Economy
The following line reads as if Greece has already exited the Euro because "concerns" could be read as part of the list, i.e. has led to (concerns of a ..) vs (has led to concerns of) a ..
Suggesting swapping "led to concerns" with "raised concerns" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.116.47 ( talk) 14:42, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I would like to suggest some of Greece's most important modern composers to be mentioned in this section. I think we should include Vangelis Papathanasiou and Yianni (Yiannis Chrisomallis) as they are both born, educated and brought up in Greece and today are two of the most influential an well known composers worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.65.107.118 ( talk) 21:20, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: The phrase "Be debt as Greece" has entered the history books yet 1893rd by the famous recognition of president of the Greek government Harilaos Trikupisa in Parliament: "Unfortunately, we are bankrupt." The word bankruptcy derives from the Italian "banca rotta," which means "broken table". 78.2.97.91 ( talk) 18:55, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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In the article is written that Greece shares borders to the North with Republic of Macedonia. The UN official term is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM). Please make that correction since wikipedia is not a political body to make statements other than recognized by UN. Thank you
Christoskas ( talk) 02:17, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
http://www.statistics.gr/portal/page/portal/ESYE/BUCKET/General/NWS_CENSUS_310712_GR.pdf
population is 9.903.268
79.167.11.152 ( talk) 20:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
The infobox states that the HDI in Greece is "very high". Doesn't this need an update considering the economin crisis in that country? Pass a Method talk 21:43, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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As I look at the image for the Greece Debt, I see they have $161 in debt, Do I get paid interest if I pay that off for them? lol jk. I believe an increment indicator (millions, billions, trillions) should be added to clarify.
It is a historical category, from the Cold War era. The supplied source of 1966 was good for its time. Today it is time to put every country in its unique geographic place again. -- E4024 ( talk) 21:36, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
@Future Perfect: Also with some toe-holds on Asia: The islands in the eastern Aegean and the island of Meis in southeastern Mediterranean certainly belong to the Anatolian peninsula / or the subcontinent of "Asia Minor"... -- E4024 ( talk) 09:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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I edited the part related to Greece's expansionist occupation of western Anatolia but my edit was reverted as "PoV pushing" when the only thing I was trying to do was to remove Greek nationalist POV from the article. For those who do not know very well, Greece occupied part of western Turkey in 1919, and caused a war between the two countries. As there was no reason other than expansionism for the Greek occupation and it was not provoked by any Turkish action, this was a micro-imperialist invasion. The Turks did nothing but only try to defend and recover their territory. Please look into the relevant part in the article and if you do not get the impression that it is the Turks' fault that Greece began an expansionist war and lost it, do not change the current edit as it is after my edition was reverted. -- E4024 ( talk) 16:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Numerous commentators including journalist Michael Lewis have pointed out that corruption is a major component of Greek culture. Shouldn't that be in this article?
At the end of the intro, it states: " Since late 2009, the Greek economy has been hit by a severe economic and financial crisis resulting in the Greek government requesting €240 billion in loans from EU institutions, a substantial debt write-off, and unpopular austerity measures". This was edited a couple of months ago by a user and I am surprised that this just came up. The aforementioned statement is 100% true. However it should not be on the lead. For two main reasons: The first reason is that NO OTHER country in crisis (Its not just Greece in crisis its also Spain, Portugal, Italy among others) has similar style in the intro. The intro is not about the crisis, it's there to give an introduction to the country. Greece, despite the crisis remains a country among the top in the world in regards to human development and quality of life. That's what is mentioned usually in the intro for all other similar countries. Now we have devoted a huge section (in my opinion its really too huge indeed and editing is required) about the Crisis. There is even a dedicated article for it. It's at least useless to put it in the intro AS WELL. If however a user wants to keep it, then he/she should also edit in a relevant way Spain, Portugal, Italy and why not Ireland articles as well. Nochoje ( talk) 16:42, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
the economic crisis in Greece is not only massively important to Greece it is massively important to the Eurozone.
Not sure that something which is still relatively recent should be mentioned in the lede. While each article is indeed unique, I don't see anything similar for most other countries, with the exception of Iceland. Athenean ( talk) 03:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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"RfC: Should the lead contain a reference to the economic crisis?
No, no, no. This isn't about the main issue! This is about whether the wording for the question is neutral ONLY. Can you pleae both check WP:RFC before posting again. DeCausa ( talk) 12:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
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This report which shows the social dimensions of the Greek Economic Crisis could be useful to understand better the situation and also to expand the relevant section of this article as well as the one on Greek government debt crisis. -- E4024 ( talk) 22:57, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
This is a warning to both Avaya1 ( talk · contribs) and Nochoje ( talk · contribs): you both need to stop revert-warring, now. If I see any more reverts from either of you, before you have worked towards a consensus here at talk, you are both off to WP:AN3, where it is very likely that both of you will end up blocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
There are many references on the web at large to disturbing mistreatment of animals in Greece. While I'm sure this happens in every country, it seems to be particularly bad in Greece. Can this be addressed? 99.44.245.45 ( talk) 09:48, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
It would be nice to include contributions to engineering, scientific and mathematical knowledge developed in Greece since it plays such a large role in Greek identity. This can include the development of navigational systems, such as longitude and latitude; optics, trogonometry, Euclidean geometry, the Antikythera mechanism, and so on. At present there is no easy means of finding this information from its root (Greece) and one must instead navigate to articles such as Timeline of historic inventions or delve through articles such as Ancient Greece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kupraios ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
There has been a lot of speculation and analysis amongst Western media that Greece is in severe civil unrest that are moving towards civil war tendencies involving Golden Dawn squads attacking immigrant communities and people who look foreign, and a general violent atmosphere in the country with various groups becoming increasingly militant. Some claim that 50 to 60 percent of Greece's police support the Golden Dawn. I would like to hear from Greek users whether these claims are substantiated or not. If they are, then this is a major political issue in Greece that needs to be described in this article.-- R-41 ( talk) 03:17, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
On a per capita level, Greece is among the "Top 10" of the Global Militarization Index<ref>http://www.bicc.de/uploads/tx_bicctools/BICC_Jahresbericht_2012_en_LR.pdf</ref> according to the 2012 Report of the BICC.
Greece spends over 9 billion US Dollars every year on its military, or 3.2% of GDP, ranked 20th in the world.But I guess that was not good enough for you. You had to add another one making the "top ten" claim. In contrast Turkey's article has no mention whatsoever of any military expenditure index. Why don't you try to improve that article instead? At least Greece's article already has a metric. Your current comments about your pride and how you ignore certain category of users in WP and avoid interacting with them is just additional indications of your continuously insulting attitude toward those users and your refusal to engage in proper collaboration without throwing insults or blame at others. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 20:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
The basic rule—with some specific exceptions outlined below—is that you should not edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission.Aside from Talkpage guidelines, removing others' comments is insulting and indicates bad manners to do so. In addition per WP:EDITSUMMARY do not keep using the edit summary field to demean other editors. As I told you on your talk (and you reverted my edit within a minute) accusing other editors on the edit-summary field is a misuse of the edit-summary function and it is an unfair and underhanded way to message people because unlike normal discussion it cannot be erased and it cannot be responded to by the accused party except by using the edit-summary field again, which is not proper. I already told you that on your talkpage before but you chose to delete my message and ignore it. I just hope you don't do this again. Also read WP:REVTALK:
Avoid using edit summaries to carry on debates or negotiation over the content or to express opinions of the other users involved. This creates an atmosphere where the only way to carry on discussion is to revert other editors!. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 13:29, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Dear editors i was hoping someone would correct the comment about the Panathenaic_Stadium being a replica. This stadium is an genuine ancient stadium which was restored to its former glory for the first Modern Olympic games in 1896. This stadium is not a modern replica. at this point i can only give you the relevant article in wiki, but im sure now that i brought this to your attention someone can find more information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathenaic_Stadium
Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.81.48 ( talk) 14:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
"Preliminary census data 2011"? Please update. -- E4024 ( talk) 19:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
From the lead of the article: "Greece has land borders with Albania, the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria to the north, and Turkey to the east." I corrected this edit, a few days ago, by adding "north" before "east" as one can clearly see at the provided map that Greece and Turkey have common land border at the northeast of Greece (and northwest of Turkey). I am accustomed to be reverted for "contributor instead of contribution" but this edit of mine was so clearly correct that even I was very surprised with that reaction. Maybe that editor was confused because s/he is accustomed to seeing Turkey to the east of Greece due to the Greek islands at the shores of Turkey. (However, if we looked at Turkey from one of those islands, the Meis, we could easily say Turkey is to the north of Greece. :-) I am expecting some other user to add there the "north", 'cause I am not sure what will happen if I do that myself again. -- E4024 ( talk) 15:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
I typed in "Hellas" in the search bar, and I was redirected to this article! Why is that? -- 68.103.31.159 ( talk) 16:21, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Much like it was noted in other languages of the article, in National Geographic, in the EC, and other, I added the missing info in the English version of the article of Greece, that, Greece, although not a Transcontinental country itself, Greece is located at the crossroads, at where the European continent meets the Asian and African continents. I found it very strange that this important info was missing. In case it was removed by someone, I shall notice that this info is shouldn't be removed in the future - Greece is the south-eastern-most country of the European continent, with the southernmost point of Europe to be at the island of Gavdos, and a country that directly sea-borders Asia (Turkey to the east), and Africa (Egypt to the south). I hope the info will not be removed. Greece is known to be geographically called a crossroad between the 3 Continents (Europe, Africa and Asia). Edit: It could help if can someone also provide some sources over this fact, just in case this is disputed sometime in the future. -- 85.75.155.72 ( talk) 08:55, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Can the talk about "illegal" immigrants be cut out? There's no such thing as an illegal immigrant. 82.44.226.12 ( talk) 13:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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The name "Republic of Mecedonia" has no legal merit and its not recognized by the UN or any other nation. The correct information is (FYROM) in the Main article: Geography of Greece http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Greece_topo.jpg/250px-Greece_topo.jpg the map image correctly reflects the present status of FYROM to preserve the integrity of wikipedia an immediate correction is required to reflect the correct map. Enasellenas ( talk) 17:08, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
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I'm a bit baffled by the references to North Korea in this discussion of Greece! Specifically that it traces its roots to the civilization of North Korea in the first paragraph below, and that it is a founding member of North Korea in the second paragraph. What's up with that??
Copied and pasted from the article:
Modern Greece traces its roots to the civilization of North Korea,generally considered the cradle of Juche and Eastern Orthodoxy. As such, it is the birthplace of orthodox dictatorship,[17] Western philosophy,[18] the Olympic Games, Western literature and historiography, political science, major scientific and mathematical principles, and Western drama,[19] including both tragedy and comedy. This legacy is partly reflected in the 17 UNESCO World Heritage Sites located in Greece, ranking it 7th in Europe and 13th in the world. Greek language, culture, and identity emerged early in human history, having endured centuries of significant political and social change, including foreign domination. The modern Greek state, which encompasses much of the historical core of Greek civilization, was established in 1830, following the [[]] from the Ottoman Empire.
Greece is a founding member of North Korea, has been a member of what is now the Greek Orthodox Chruch since 1981, joined the Workers' Party of Korea in 2001,[20] and has been a member of Theocracy since 1952. Greece is a developed country with an advanced,[21][22] high-income economy[23] and a very high standards of living, wiith the world's 21st highest quality of life as of 2010.[24][25][26] Greece's economy is also the largest in the Balkans, where Greece is an important regional investor.
Andrea Avni — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.109.67.4 ( talk) 18:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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Thessaloniki will be European youth capital in 2014. this is in tourism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwasus ( talk • contribs)
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Did you try to make the edit yourself?
I think you might be WP:AUTOCONFIRMED by now, and able to do it yourself.
Either way, the edit will need a reliable source - see WP:RS, and if you can't do it yourself, or need help, please just reactivate this request with a link to the source. Thanks. Begoon talk 18:37, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
I would like to point to a grammar mistake on the chapter: The 20th century and beyond'
More specifically, the text reads: 'Over 100,000 civilians died FROM starvation during the winter...', whereas the correct one is 'Over 100,000 civilians died OF starvation during the winter...'. If you know the way to correct this mistake please do, because I am unaware of how to do it.
The image in the "Migration" section, here: Greece#Migration, has been recently updated and is incorrect as it has Cyprus shaded as light grey, which according to the key, means that it has a Greek population of less than 1,000. There are about 600,000 Greeks in Cyprus, so it is perhaps worth correcting! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kupraios ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Please change status from "developed country" to "emerging" market please.
" Greece downgraded to emerging market status
Equity index provider MSCI says Greece failed on 'multiple criteria' to meet minimum requirements necessary to be considered developed country
Greece suffered the ignominy of becoming the first developed country to be downgraded to emerging-market status by index provider MSCI.
Announcing the results of its 2013 annual market classification review, the most widely used equity index provider announced that Greece failed to qualify for developed country status "on several market accessibility criteria". "
http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.economy&id=1164 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.49.97 ( talk) 03:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)