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The GDP estimates are for 2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.74.8.106 ( talk) 14:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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the current population of greece is 10,423,054. JanKon2010 ( talk) 16:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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| native_name = {{unbulleted list|{{native name|el|Ελληνική Δημοκρατία|italics=off}}|{{small|{{transl|el|Ellinikí Dimokratía}}}}}}
| national_motto = {{lang|el|Ελευθερία ή Θάνατος}}<br />{{transl|el|Elefthería í Thánatos}}<br />("[[Eleftheria i Thanatos|Freedom or Death]]")
| national_anthem = {{lang|el|Ύμνος εις την Ελευθερίαν}}<br />{{transl|el|Ímnos is tin Eleftherían}}<br />("[[Hymn to Liberty]]")<div style="display:inline-block;margin-top:0.4em;">{{center|[[File:Greece national anthem.ogg]]}}</div>
Transliteration of Greek to English needs to be consistent. I added an acute accent where needed and fixed words which had vowels that are not pronounced (for instance, eis (εις) -> is etc). -- 2A02:587:D869:D699:9847:A901:4FCC:9E74 ( talk) 12:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC) 2A02:587:D869:D699:9847:A901:4FCC:9E74 ( talk) 12:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Petition to write "The ancient Greeks were *mainly* organized in city-states". There were also non-city Greeks states, like the Macedonians kingdom or the Epirot kingdoms. LightningLighting ( talk) 19:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
As religion entries, we note all the religions, because Wikipedia is NOT the Constitution of Greece. For the religion explicitly recognized in the Greek we write (official) as we do with other countries. Greece is not superior than other countries to enforce Nazism on Wikipedia because of some Greek users. We add all the information; majority, minority. Nazis love to lie. If Wikipedia is the Greek Constitution someone has to elaborate on it; otherwise we respect the rules of Wikipedia and not the rules of the Constitution of Greece. Even the Constitution of Greece respects other religions (but mostly avoids to be specific). The Greek Constitution doesn't mention that is should be used as an encyclopedic template; thus even according to strict right policy, religious racism isn't constitutional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:587:4100:f800:f438:e7dc:abb6:ba1 ( talk • contribs) 05:10, April 3, 2019 (UTC) |
"Greece is not superior than other countries to enforce Nazism on Wikipedia ". This doesn't sound so good. Do the superior ones enforce Nazism on others? I think that what you said, that minority religions should also be written, is ok, but you said it in a very weird and offending way. Yes, there is an official religion in Greece, like there is an official language, but that doesn't mean that the practice of others is not allowed. And there is a reason for that, mainly the fact that in the Balkans, ethnicity was the same thing with religion until the mid 19th century. Proof of this are facts like the Patriarch of Constantinople being called "National leader of the Christians of the Ottoman empire" and even in the first constitution of Greece, the second article was "All people, Christians and Turks (!!!) are the same in the eyes of the law". So yeah, the official and majority religion should be specified, and under that the minority ones like Catholics and Muslims. Just don't blame everything on Nazism, because you make it sound like something unimportant. LightningLighting ( talk) 19:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, this is both an invitation for you two to discuss and a notice re edit warring; I would hate to see this turn into something disruptive. @ Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης and Danloud:. The status quo is that Greece is described as being in Southeast Europe. Are there reliable sources to refute this? ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 17:11, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
‡ Єl Cid of Valencia, I appreciate your intervention. Greece is described as Western or Southern, never Southeast, in all international organizations. The "politically being part of Western Europe" has to do with the Cold War, EEC, NATO etc. and dates already from the 1940s. There are literally hundreds of sources on this.
And I wonder, why can Germany be called Northern, Central of Western European, but Greece can't likewise be described accurately? Furthermore, I have never seen Portugal being described as part of Southwestern Europe, only Western or Southern. Why not act likewise in this particular case? Here are some sources backing my edit:
Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης ( talk) 17:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Danloud Again, I invite you to look up the cases of Germany, Italy and Portugal, with their varying geographical descriptions. We shouldn't have double standards. The United Nations is as mainstream a source as anyone can get. And Greece is an idiosyncratic case, especially considering its maritime geography, from the Ionian to the Eastern Mediterranean. Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης ( talk) 10:37, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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THE GREECIANS BUILDT MOUNT OLYMPUS!!!! MOUNT OLYMPUS IS A STATUUUUUUEEEE!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ASAPresident01 ( talk • contribs) 13:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
There is an omission in the geography section. Clearly some Greek islands are on the Asia side without question, geographically. For example Kastellorizo is smack on the middle of the Turkish riviera. There are many other islands closers to Asia too, even off the west coast of Turkey. Therefore the location of Greece is straddling Europe and Asia. Implying Greece is just in Europe is false and should be fixed. This is an easily verifyable fact and is not geographically debatable. Also it's possible to say Greece in in Eurasia, which is the technical geographic continent. In addition to the islands which are clearly is Asia and definitely not in Europe, a large potion of the remaining Greek islands are also geographically closer to Asia than Europe.
Note this article is written in a European language. It is important not to present bias, and to avoid Eurocentric, colonialist and Euro-supremacist mindsets. This should not be a place for geopolitical power grabs and propoganda.
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Name. It is possible that their name is derived from the toponym of Graea (Γραία), a city in Boeotia identical with Tanagra according to Pausanias. The word means "old" based on the adjective γραῖα "old (feminine)". 178.29.113.118 ( talk) 20:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Is the country of Greece called "Hellas" often enough in reliable sources for it to feature in the lead sentence? As far as I can tell, it's an Ancient Greek term, but hardly used in English. It seems to be already treated under the "name" section. I'm fine to put it back though if someone thinks it's important enough to be up there. Cheers, Fredlesaltique ( talk) 02:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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People in greece would always lick grapes before chewing them. 2600:1011:B122:1420:D0B6:5245:462A:5FA3 ( talk) 17:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
This sure llooks out of place and undue for this overview article -- Moxy- 22:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
The word "Greece" appears in the Bible five times, the word "Greek(s)" when referring to people is found fourteen times and the word "Greek" when referring to the language is found five times. [1] [2] [3] According to the Bible book Acts of the Apostles, the Apostle Paul visited Athens and gave a discourse there. [4]
According to the Bible, the Prophet Daniel predicted that Greece would defeat Persia (iran) and later be broken into four. [5] Many Bible commentaries tie this event to Alexander the Great and the subsequent break up of his empire years after his death among his generals. [6] On the other hand, some Christians, although few, hold the view that Daniel's prediction refers to the "last days" and believe that Greece will defeat Iran in the future. [7]
The Prophet Joel writes about the "sons of Judah and Jerusalem" being "sold" to the "Greeks". [8] The Prophet Zechariah, when referring to "the pronouncement of the word of the Lord" writes: "I will stir up your sons, Zion, against your sons, Greece; And I will make you like a warrior’s sword." [9]
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- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 8:21, Daniel 10:20, Daniel 11:2, Zechariah 9:13, Acts 20:2 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Joel 3:6, Mark 7:26, John 7:35, John 12:20, Acts 14:1, Acts 16:1, Acts 16:3, Acts 17:4, Acts 17:12, Acts 18:4, Acts 19:10, Acts 19:17, Acts 20:21, Acts 21:28 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: John 19:20, Acts 6:1, Acts 9:29, Acts 11:20, Acts 21:37 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Acts 17:16-34 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 8, Daniel 11:2-4 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
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: CS1 maint: url-status ( link)- ^ "Daniel 11:4 Commentaries: "But as soon as he has arisen, his kingdom will be broken up and parceled out toward the four points of the compass, though not to his own descendants, nor according to his authority which he wielded, for his sovereignty will be uprooted and given to others besides them". biblehub.com. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 10:13, Daniel 10:14, Daniel 11:1-4 - GOD'S WORD Translation". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Joel 3:6 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Zechariah 9 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
The Bible is not accepted as a historical source. Also, there is no "bible." It's been repeatedly modified by man and there exists numerous different versions. Nclh77 ( talk) 18:22, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
History - prehistory section
Claims Greece is home to the Cycladic and Minoan civilizations is misleading at best. Both these civilizations predate any concept of Greece and Greeks by at least a thousand years. The correct way to make the claim is the Balkans are home to the Cycladic and Minoan civilization Nclh77 ( talk) 00:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
If "oldness" is a rule, all of geography needs to be rewritten. I'll change it to something older to follow your rule, "Greece" didn't exist until 1600bce, these civilizations are way older. Greece isn't their home,m it didn't exist when they were around. Nclh77 ( talk) 18:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Apparently "oldness is a criteria for some so let's tighten this up.
"The Aegean is home...."
Greece is not home to the Minoan or Cycladic civilizations. They predate any concept of Greece by thousands of years Nclh77 ( talk) 18:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Greece is NOT a geographical area. The Aegean is. You Greek? Nclh77 ( talk) 16:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
I think we should merge Third Hellenic Republic with this article as they're pretty much about the same entity, thoughts? Great Mercian ( talk) 09:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Claims Greece is "home" to the Aegean civilizatiins which predate any concept of Greece is false. There is no cultural or genetic connection nor is "Greece" a recognized landmass area on earth. It's a country.
Either remove the false claim Greece is their home or amend it to a recognized landmass or cultural connection. Nclh77 ( talk) 16:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
The Cycladic civilizations in the Aegean are Anatolian genetically. They also predate the earliest Greeks, the Mycenaeans. Ergo, claims Greece is their home on WP are false. One could argue the inverse. Nclh77 ( talk) 00:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Also have some concerns with your claims a historically factual statement is a "FRINGE" theory. I recall a decade ago being attacked by Greek wiki editors when I edited claims that the Minoans were "early Greeks." Your bias is showing. I will continue to edit this false statement and escalate this beyond your purvue. Nclh77 ( talk) 03:17, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
The Cycladic civilizations in the Aegean are Anatolian genetically. They also predate the earliest Greeks, the Mycenaeans. Ergo, claims Greece is their home on WP are false. One could argue the inverse. Nclh77 ( talk) 00:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Research suggestions for lost city/states of Greece; Kalpa, 1800’s 2601:47:100:B220:55B5:A9C9:3208:82D7 ( talk) 19:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Greek = Greece
Greek national football team, .... Greek national basketball team = Greece national football team, .... Greece national basketball team 2603:8000:D300:D0F:E915:416B:7E45:62E3 ( talk) 14:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Oflsege pincere voltam 2001:4C4D:2402:6500:5090:284B:63B3:55EF ( talk) 14:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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Greek national football team that should be Greece national football team 2603:8000:D300:D0F:A5A7:174C:24A7:2431 ( talk) 19:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Change the population according to new demographic on the first paragraph. SarangeW ( talk) 13:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Love you 69.158.135.85 ( talk) 20:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Calling it the Byzantine Empire is a misnomer. That is a much later naming convention that came about to lessen the importance of that portion of the Roman Empire. Anywhere Byzantine is cited it should actually be Roman Empire if the east or Eastern Roman Empire. 2600:8806:2500:131:84A1:B8AA:7D0D:C285 ( talk) 19:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Athos is within a category named "autonomous states" while it's a autonomous region. 2A01:E0A:83B:4C80:2528:B66C:94C:9D3E ( talk) 12:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
This quote is attributed to Churchill, but as far as I know, it 's might be an urban legend. I noticed the quotation at the article accompanied by a primary source (Greek MFA), and removed it, but Khirurg re-inserted the phrase with three solid RS. [5]. I have access to just one of them, (The Classical Radio Plays By Louis MacNeice, OUP) that does not state definitely that Churchill said such a thing. Instead, I "...Also, Greece sources often refer to a dictum that Churchill may have rendered famous during the war years... [adds the quote]". May I ask Khirurg if he could share the other two RS?
The best Greek fact checking site, ellinika hoaxes, member of International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN) , found that the claim that Churchill said such a thing as false. [6]
Happy Ohi Day to everyone. Cinadon 36 04:09, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I have found Princes at War: The Bitter Battle Inside Britain's Royal Family in the Darkest Days of WWII
But over their weekly lunches there was little news to bring any comfort.
During the winter the heroism of the Greeks had stood out like a beacon, showing the world that the Axis was not invincible as they drove the Italians out of their country and back into Albania. ‘Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks,’ Churchill declared, as ever finding the right words. Over tea at Coppins, the Kents’ friend Chips Channon was touched at Marina’s ‘pride and pleasure’ in the Greek advance.96 Churchill was keen to support the Greeks and wanted neighbouring Yugoslavia to join
the fight.
I do not feel that this is a RS for the specific sentence in the specific article. Anyway, Ref 96 points to Robert Rhodes James (ed.), The Diaries of Sir Henry Channon, 24 November 1940, p. 276, which I am now looking for. If anyone can help, I would be grateful. Cinadon 36 10:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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Change "Mandatory military service is nine months for the Army and one year for the Navy and Air Force." to "Military service is mandatory for a year for all males aged 19 tο 45 regardless of service branch." [1] [2] Dimitrakis81 ( talk) 20:07, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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Οδυσσέας στην αρχή της ενότητας βρίσκεται στην ογυγία και 188.4.76.37 ( talk) 17:08, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Population: 10.482.487
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The aims of purpose this edit are multi-layered: first, splitting up the history section into pre-modern and modern periods is a major aid the reader as it allows the header level of the country's modern history to be raised, which in the new vector layout makes it a main header on the left and allows readers to skip straight to the modern history of the country; secondly, it was an overly long section, and reducing this is better practice with regard to section sizes (as viewable with the function at the top of this talk page) and makes the individual sections more readily digestible; thirdly, the pre-modern history is very broad, incorporating Hellenic colonial history well beyond the borders of modern Greece as well as a segue to the Macedonian expansion into Persia, so "Hellenic" is a suitable broader and more appropriate descriptor for this portion of the history. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Should the article Third Hellenic Republic be deleted merged or kept the same. from what I have seen there is no other countries that currently exist that has 2 ''main'' articles Von bismarck ( talk) 11:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Somewhere in the summary for the article it is written that the constitution as being revised 3 times since the military junta, however, immediately after, the article presents four dates (years) on which, a constitutional ammendment was made, the latest in 2019. A bug, perhaps? 2001:818:DE97:3200:3D0D:71B7:32AE:9F3E ( talk) 19:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
EDIT: In the Politics section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:818:DE97:3200:3D0D:71B7:32AE:9F3E ( talk) 19:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
I feel that inclusion of Tempi rail crash is WP:UNDUE. Third hellenic republic is almost half a century old, currently covered by 4 paragraphs, one of them is Tempi rail crash. Pinging @ NikosLikomitros: who added the text [8] Cinadon 36 14:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Alright, is anybody finding themselves in disagreement to include the following sentence in the lead of the article? "Over the course of history, different civilizations have lived in various parts of Greece, such as Albanians, Arvanites, Greeks, Ottomans, Vlachs, Pomaks, Slavs and others." AlexBachmann ( talk) 23:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
If there is sufficient evidence, I am cool with it. Cinadon 36 21:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
It's painfully obvious that this proposal by AlexBachmann is a transparent "tit-for-tat" WP:POINT violation, after having fought over a similar sentence at Albania. This behaviour really needs to stop; it's a sign of an extremely unhealthy battleground approach to editing (which is unfortunately all too typical in this topic area.) - That said, the sentence is of poor quality – "civilizations" don't "live" in places. Civilizations aren't living beings. People live in places. And, as pointed out above, these particular ethnic groups mostly don't represent different "civilizations" anyway. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
The following paragraph on the lead:
Over the first hundred years the kingdom of Greece sought its territorial expansion, which was mainly achieved in the early 20th century, during the Balkan Wars and up until the catastrophe of Greece's Asia Minor Campaign in 1922. The short-lived republic that followed, beset by the ramifications of civil strife, came to an end in 1936, when the imposition of a royalist dictatorship inaugurated a long period of authoritarian rule, marked by military occupation during World War II, civil war and military dictatorship. Greece achieved record economic growth from 1950 through the 1970s, allowing it to join the ranks of developed nations. Democracy was restored in 1974–75, and Greece has been a parliamentary republic ever since. The country's rich historical legacy is reflected in part by its 18 UNESCO World Heritage Sites.
is pretty useful as it allows for the darker moments in Greece's history to be given a much-needed place on lead. However, is it just me or the way it is written, feels slightly off? I feel it would use some grammatical improvements (that is, to improve or re-word in a more encyclopedic fashion without changing the information it tries to deliver to the readers).
PS: the "The country's rich historical legacy is reflected in part by its 18 UNESCO World Heritage Sites.
" doesn't really feel like a good conclusion for the paragraph either. The writing of the last sentence really feels like it was made by another editor entirely, at a different time, and then just moved there (which is true). -
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Over the first hundred years the kingdom of Greece sought its territorial expansion: a comma may be needed at the middle of the sentence.
which was mainly achieved in the early 20th century, during the Balkan Wars and up until the catastrophe of Greece's Asia Minor Campaign in 1922.the following word: catastrophe, perhaps should be replaced with a more neutral word. While indeed it was catastrophic from a Greek perspective, the outsiders may not see it as "catastrophe" in the literal sense, and rarely you can see that term being used on ledes of articles about other countries whose wars had a decisive impact to them. Since Greece's lands that were lost in that campaign, were not pre-war ones, but post-war ones, thus, can't exactly be considered as catastrophic as the current wording may unintentionally suggest. Perhaps a replacement with another word i.e. "failure" because what happened in the war, was a failure, and what followed after, are the harsh consequences of being defeated in a war. Simple as that.
allowing it to join the ranks of developed nations: Perhaps if replacing "allowing it to join the ranks of" with "placing it among" can be a tad better.
The country's rich historical legacy is reflected in part by its 18 UNESCO World Heritage Sites.moving that elsewhere, will definitely help improve the whole paragraph's quality I think. Or re-word it to match the rest of the paragraph.
during the Balkan Wars and up until its Asia Minor Campaign which ended with a catastrophic defeat in 1922." sounds much better imo. (And in bold: a small a grammar correction if you don't mind). As for the matter of the refugees: would be a good idea to add them to the paragraph or else it will still falsely imply that the catastrophic here, was from a stricktly territorial perspective only. Therefore the addition of your "
and the challenge of resettling the refugees from Turkey" will prove useful to the readers because not every nation in the past century had such large-scale population exchanges that impacted the economic and political life of the said countries in such a dramatic way and shaped how Greek cities, including the capital, look today, with are characterized by an anarchic city planning and construction. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 15:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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bate ove se klasicici krimose ace e nas a oni go kardat a vie gi podrzuvate klosarana edna kopilaci sram da vi e
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Greek Scientists : addition of : Constantinos Daskalakis (Computer Scientist, Nevanlinna Prize 2018), Paris Kanellakis (Computer Scientist), Elias Koutsoupias (Computer Scientist, [Godel Prize]] 2012), Yiannis N. Moschovakis (Mathematician, Logician), Athanassios Fokas (Mathematician), Demetrios Christodoulou (Theoretical Physicist), John Iliopoulos (Theoretical Physicist, Dirac Medal 2007) John P.A. Ioannidis (Medical Statistics), Paul Alivisatos (Chemist), Phaedon Avouris (Biochemist) BILIASTAM ( talk) 07:57, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
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As a lot of other countries have this(Turkey, Spain, Bulgaria etc. lot of other countries) I suggest that after "Greece" there's also(Greek: Ελλάδα and the pronounciation for it which I don't have the time now to find what the code for it is but you understand what I mean, look at the countries I mentioned and you understand. 2A02:2F0F:F105:B100:EC70:4153:4224:EFEA ( talk) 20:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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at the section of Greek Music, expansion is needed in relation to popular singers and composers such as Markos Vamvakaris and Manolis Chiotis where no mention is made, also the main Greek operettas are not mentioned such as The Baptistikos by Theofrastos Sakellaridis. Alkeus ( talk) 09:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
There appears to be a gap in the history and I wonder if someone who knows the period could fill it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jontel ( talk • contribs) 12:22, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
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According to the 2011 census in Greece, there were around 912,000 permanent foreign residents from other countries in Greece, including Albanians (480,851), Bulgarians (75,917), Romanians (46,524), Pakistanis (34,178), Georgians (27,407), Ukraine (17,008) as well as smaller groups from the UK, Cyprus, Poland, Russia, India, Bangladesh, Germany, Egypt, Moldova and the Philippines. Significant minorities in Greece are Vlachs (200,000), Arvanites (95,000), ethnic Macedonians (100,000–200,000), Roma/Gypsies (265,000), Turks 90,000, Pomaks (35,000– 40,000) and Jews (5,000). Add this information to the demographics section.
Source: https://minorityrights.org/country/greece/ 103.164.138.55 ( talk) 22:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
Παρακαλώ, στο κεφάλαιο της γεωγραφίας, νομίζω ότι πρέπει να προστεθεί κάτι για τις λίμνες 46.252.39.141 ( talk) 11:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
It technically speaking is, because some of Greece's islands in the Aegean Sea are located east of the Europe-Asia border, thus making them technically Asian. NesserWiki ( talk) 21:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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The GDP estimates are for 2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.74.8.106 ( talk) 14:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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the current population of greece is 10,423,054. JanKon2010 ( talk) 16:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
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| native_name = {{unbulleted list|{{native name|el|Ελληνική Δημοκρατία|italics=off}}|{{small|{{transl|el|Ellinikí Dimokratía}}}}}}
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Transliteration of Greek to English needs to be consistent. I added an acute accent where needed and fixed words which had vowels that are not pronounced (for instance, eis (εις) -> is etc). -- 2A02:587:D869:D699:9847:A901:4FCC:9E74 ( talk) 12:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC) 2A02:587:D869:D699:9847:A901:4FCC:9E74 ( talk) 12:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Petition to write "The ancient Greeks were *mainly* organized in city-states". There were also non-city Greeks states, like the Macedonians kingdom or the Epirot kingdoms. LightningLighting ( talk) 19:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
As religion entries, we note all the religions, because Wikipedia is NOT the Constitution of Greece. For the religion explicitly recognized in the Greek we write (official) as we do with other countries. Greece is not superior than other countries to enforce Nazism on Wikipedia because of some Greek users. We add all the information; majority, minority. Nazis love to lie. If Wikipedia is the Greek Constitution someone has to elaborate on it; otherwise we respect the rules of Wikipedia and not the rules of the Constitution of Greece. Even the Constitution of Greece respects other religions (but mostly avoids to be specific). The Greek Constitution doesn't mention that is should be used as an encyclopedic template; thus even according to strict right policy, religious racism isn't constitutional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:587:4100:f800:f438:e7dc:abb6:ba1 ( talk • contribs) 05:10, April 3, 2019 (UTC) |
"Greece is not superior than other countries to enforce Nazism on Wikipedia ". This doesn't sound so good. Do the superior ones enforce Nazism on others? I think that what you said, that minority religions should also be written, is ok, but you said it in a very weird and offending way. Yes, there is an official religion in Greece, like there is an official language, but that doesn't mean that the practice of others is not allowed. And there is a reason for that, mainly the fact that in the Balkans, ethnicity was the same thing with religion until the mid 19th century. Proof of this are facts like the Patriarch of Constantinople being called "National leader of the Christians of the Ottoman empire" and even in the first constitution of Greece, the second article was "All people, Christians and Turks (!!!) are the same in the eyes of the law". So yeah, the official and majority religion should be specified, and under that the minority ones like Catholics and Muslims. Just don't blame everything on Nazism, because you make it sound like something unimportant. LightningLighting ( talk) 19:19, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, this is both an invitation for you two to discuss and a notice re edit warring; I would hate to see this turn into something disruptive. @ Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης and Danloud:. The status quo is that Greece is described as being in Southeast Europe. Are there reliable sources to refute this? ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 17:11, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
‡ Єl Cid of Valencia, I appreciate your intervention. Greece is described as Western or Southern, never Southeast, in all international organizations. The "politically being part of Western Europe" has to do with the Cold War, EEC, NATO etc. and dates already from the 1940s. There are literally hundreds of sources on this.
And I wonder, why can Germany be called Northern, Central of Western European, but Greece can't likewise be described accurately? Furthermore, I have never seen Portugal being described as part of Southwestern Europe, only Western or Southern. Why not act likewise in this particular case? Here are some sources backing my edit:
Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης ( talk) 17:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Danloud Again, I invite you to look up the cases of Germany, Italy and Portugal, with their varying geographical descriptions. We shouldn't have double standards. The United Nations is as mainstream a source as anyone can get. And Greece is an idiosyncratic case, especially considering its maritime geography, from the Ionian to the Eastern Mediterranean. Ανδρέας Κρυστάλλης ( talk) 10:37, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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THE GREECIANS BUILDT MOUNT OLYMPUS!!!! MOUNT OLYMPUS IS A STATUUUUUUEEEE!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ASAPresident01 ( talk • contribs) 13:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
There is an omission in the geography section. Clearly some Greek islands are on the Asia side without question, geographically. For example Kastellorizo is smack on the middle of the Turkish riviera. There are many other islands closers to Asia too, even off the west coast of Turkey. Therefore the location of Greece is straddling Europe and Asia. Implying Greece is just in Europe is false and should be fixed. This is an easily verifyable fact and is not geographically debatable. Also it's possible to say Greece in in Eurasia, which is the technical geographic continent. In addition to the islands which are clearly is Asia and definitely not in Europe, a large potion of the remaining Greek islands are also geographically closer to Asia than Europe.
Note this article is written in a European language. It is important not to present bias, and to avoid Eurocentric, colonialist and Euro-supremacist mindsets. This should not be a place for geopolitical power grabs and propoganda.
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Name. It is possible that their name is derived from the toponym of Graea (Γραία), a city in Boeotia identical with Tanagra according to Pausanias. The word means "old" based on the adjective γραῖα "old (feminine)". 178.29.113.118 ( talk) 20:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Is the country of Greece called "Hellas" often enough in reliable sources for it to feature in the lead sentence? As far as I can tell, it's an Ancient Greek term, but hardly used in English. It seems to be already treated under the "name" section. I'm fine to put it back though if someone thinks it's important enough to be up there. Cheers, Fredlesaltique ( talk) 02:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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People in greece would always lick grapes before chewing them. 2600:1011:B122:1420:D0B6:5245:462A:5FA3 ( talk) 17:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
This sure llooks out of place and undue for this overview article -- Moxy- 22:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
The word "Greece" appears in the Bible five times, the word "Greek(s)" when referring to people is found fourteen times and the word "Greek" when referring to the language is found five times. [1] [2] [3] According to the Bible book Acts of the Apostles, the Apostle Paul visited Athens and gave a discourse there. [4]
According to the Bible, the Prophet Daniel predicted that Greece would defeat Persia (iran) and later be broken into four. [5] Many Bible commentaries tie this event to Alexander the Great and the subsequent break up of his empire years after his death among his generals. [6] On the other hand, some Christians, although few, hold the view that Daniel's prediction refers to the "last days" and believe that Greece will defeat Iran in the future. [7]
The Prophet Joel writes about the "sons of Judah and Jerusalem" being "sold" to the "Greeks". [8] The Prophet Zechariah, when referring to "the pronouncement of the word of the Lord" writes: "I will stir up your sons, Zion, against your sons, Greece; And I will make you like a warrior’s sword." [9]
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- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 8:21, Daniel 10:20, Daniel 11:2, Zechariah 9:13, Acts 20:2 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Joel 3:6, Mark 7:26, John 7:35, John 12:20, Acts 14:1, Acts 16:1, Acts 16:3, Acts 17:4, Acts 17:12, Acts 18:4, Acts 19:10, Acts 19:17, Acts 20:21, Acts 21:28 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: John 19:20, Acts 6:1, Acts 9:29, Acts 11:20, Acts 21:37 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Acts 17:16-34 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 8, Daniel 11:2-4 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
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: CS1 maint: url-status ( link)- ^ "Daniel 11:4 Commentaries: "But as soon as he has arisen, his kingdom will be broken up and parceled out toward the four points of the compass, though not to his own descendants, nor according to his authority which he wielded, for his sovereignty will be uprooted and given to others besides them". biblehub.com. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Daniel 10:13, Daniel 10:14, Daniel 11:1-4 - GOD'S WORD Translation". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Joel 3:6 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
- ^ "Bible Gateway passage: Zechariah 9 - New American Standard Bible". Bible Gateway. Retrieved 2021-07-16.
The Bible is not accepted as a historical source. Also, there is no "bible." It's been repeatedly modified by man and there exists numerous different versions. Nclh77 ( talk) 18:22, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
History - prehistory section
Claims Greece is home to the Cycladic and Minoan civilizations is misleading at best. Both these civilizations predate any concept of Greece and Greeks by at least a thousand years. The correct way to make the claim is the Balkans are home to the Cycladic and Minoan civilization Nclh77 ( talk) 00:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
If "oldness" is a rule, all of geography needs to be rewritten. I'll change it to something older to follow your rule, "Greece" didn't exist until 1600bce, these civilizations are way older. Greece isn't their home,m it didn't exist when they were around. Nclh77 ( talk) 18:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Apparently "oldness is a criteria for some so let's tighten this up.
"The Aegean is home...."
Greece is not home to the Minoan or Cycladic civilizations. They predate any concept of Greece by thousands of years Nclh77 ( talk) 18:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Greece is NOT a geographical area. The Aegean is. You Greek? Nclh77 ( talk) 16:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
I think we should merge Third Hellenic Republic with this article as they're pretty much about the same entity, thoughts? Great Mercian ( talk) 09:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Claims Greece is "home" to the Aegean civilizatiins which predate any concept of Greece is false. There is no cultural or genetic connection nor is "Greece" a recognized landmass area on earth. It's a country.
Either remove the false claim Greece is their home or amend it to a recognized landmass or cultural connection. Nclh77 ( talk) 16:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
The Cycladic civilizations in the Aegean are Anatolian genetically. They also predate the earliest Greeks, the Mycenaeans. Ergo, claims Greece is their home on WP are false. One could argue the inverse. Nclh77 ( talk) 00:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Also have some concerns with your claims a historically factual statement is a "FRINGE" theory. I recall a decade ago being attacked by Greek wiki editors when I edited claims that the Minoans were "early Greeks." Your bias is showing. I will continue to edit this false statement and escalate this beyond your purvue. Nclh77 ( talk) 03:17, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
The Cycladic civilizations in the Aegean are Anatolian genetically. They also predate the earliest Greeks, the Mycenaeans. Ergo, claims Greece is their home on WP are false. One could argue the inverse. Nclh77 ( talk) 00:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Research suggestions for lost city/states of Greece; Kalpa, 1800’s 2601:47:100:B220:55B5:A9C9:3208:82D7 ( talk) 19:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Greek = Greece
Greek national football team, .... Greek national basketball team = Greece national football team, .... Greece national basketball team 2603:8000:D300:D0F:E915:416B:7E45:62E3 ( talk) 14:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Oflsege pincere voltam 2001:4C4D:2402:6500:5090:284B:63B3:55EF ( talk) 14:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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Greek national football team that should be Greece national football team 2603:8000:D300:D0F:A5A7:174C:24A7:2431 ( talk) 19:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Change the population according to new demographic on the first paragraph. SarangeW ( talk) 13:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Love you 69.158.135.85 ( talk) 20:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Calling it the Byzantine Empire is a misnomer. That is a much later naming convention that came about to lessen the importance of that portion of the Roman Empire. Anywhere Byzantine is cited it should actually be Roman Empire if the east or Eastern Roman Empire. 2600:8806:2500:131:84A1:B8AA:7D0D:C285 ( talk) 19:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Athos is within a category named "autonomous states" while it's a autonomous region. 2A01:E0A:83B:4C80:2528:B66C:94C:9D3E ( talk) 12:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
This quote is attributed to Churchill, but as far as I know, it 's might be an urban legend. I noticed the quotation at the article accompanied by a primary source (Greek MFA), and removed it, but Khirurg re-inserted the phrase with three solid RS. [5]. I have access to just one of them, (The Classical Radio Plays By Louis MacNeice, OUP) that does not state definitely that Churchill said such a thing. Instead, I "...Also, Greece sources often refer to a dictum that Churchill may have rendered famous during the war years... [adds the quote]". May I ask Khirurg if he could share the other two RS?
The best Greek fact checking site, ellinika hoaxes, member of International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN) , found that the claim that Churchill said such a thing as false. [6]
Happy Ohi Day to everyone. Cinadon 36 04:09, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Ok, I have found Princes at War: The Bitter Battle Inside Britain's Royal Family in the Darkest Days of WWII
But over their weekly lunches there was little news to bring any comfort.
During the winter the heroism of the Greeks had stood out like a beacon, showing the world that the Axis was not invincible as they drove the Italians out of their country and back into Albania. ‘Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks,’ Churchill declared, as ever finding the right words. Over tea at Coppins, the Kents’ friend Chips Channon was touched at Marina’s ‘pride and pleasure’ in the Greek advance.96 Churchill was keen to support the Greeks and wanted neighbouring Yugoslavia to join
the fight.
I do not feel that this is a RS for the specific sentence in the specific article. Anyway, Ref 96 points to Robert Rhodes James (ed.), The Diaries of Sir Henry Channon, 24 November 1940, p. 276, which I am now looking for. If anyone can help, I would be grateful. Cinadon 36 10:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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Change "Mandatory military service is nine months for the Army and one year for the Navy and Air Force." to "Military service is mandatory for a year for all males aged 19 tο 45 regardless of service branch." [1] [2] Dimitrakis81 ( talk) 20:07, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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Οδυσσέας στην αρχή της ενότητας βρίσκεται στην ογυγία και 188.4.76.37 ( talk) 17:08, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Population: 10.482.487
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The aims of purpose this edit are multi-layered: first, splitting up the history section into pre-modern and modern periods is a major aid the reader as it allows the header level of the country's modern history to be raised, which in the new vector layout makes it a main header on the left and allows readers to skip straight to the modern history of the country; secondly, it was an overly long section, and reducing this is better practice with regard to section sizes (as viewable with the function at the top of this talk page) and makes the individual sections more readily digestible; thirdly, the pre-modern history is very broad, incorporating Hellenic colonial history well beyond the borders of modern Greece as well as a segue to the Macedonian expansion into Persia, so "Hellenic" is a suitable broader and more appropriate descriptor for this portion of the history. Iskandar323 ( talk) 08:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Should the article Third Hellenic Republic be deleted merged or kept the same. from what I have seen there is no other countries that currently exist that has 2 ''main'' articles Von bismarck ( talk) 11:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Somewhere in the summary for the article it is written that the constitution as being revised 3 times since the military junta, however, immediately after, the article presents four dates (years) on which, a constitutional ammendment was made, the latest in 2019. A bug, perhaps? 2001:818:DE97:3200:3D0D:71B7:32AE:9F3E ( talk) 19:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
EDIT: In the Politics section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:818:DE97:3200:3D0D:71B7:32AE:9F3E ( talk) 19:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
I feel that inclusion of Tempi rail crash is WP:UNDUE. Third hellenic republic is almost half a century old, currently covered by 4 paragraphs, one of them is Tempi rail crash. Pinging @ NikosLikomitros: who added the text [8] Cinadon 36 14:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Alright, is anybody finding themselves in disagreement to include the following sentence in the lead of the article? "Over the course of history, different civilizations have lived in various parts of Greece, such as Albanians, Arvanites, Greeks, Ottomans, Vlachs, Pomaks, Slavs and others." AlexBachmann ( talk) 23:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
If there is sufficient evidence, I am cool with it. Cinadon 36 21:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
It's painfully obvious that this proposal by AlexBachmann is a transparent "tit-for-tat" WP:POINT violation, after having fought over a similar sentence at Albania. This behaviour really needs to stop; it's a sign of an extremely unhealthy battleground approach to editing (which is unfortunately all too typical in this topic area.) - That said, the sentence is of poor quality – "civilizations" don't "live" in places. Civilizations aren't living beings. People live in places. And, as pointed out above, these particular ethnic groups mostly don't represent different "civilizations" anyway. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
The following paragraph on the lead:
Over the first hundred years the kingdom of Greece sought its territorial expansion, which was mainly achieved in the early 20th century, during the Balkan Wars and up until the catastrophe of Greece's Asia Minor Campaign in 1922. The short-lived republic that followed, beset by the ramifications of civil strife, came to an end in 1936, when the imposition of a royalist dictatorship inaugurated a long period of authoritarian rule, marked by military occupation during World War II, civil war and military dictatorship. Greece achieved record economic growth from 1950 through the 1970s, allowing it to join the ranks of developed nations. Democracy was restored in 1974–75, and Greece has been a parliamentary republic ever since. The country's rich historical legacy is reflected in part by its 18 UNESCO World Heritage Sites.
is pretty useful as it allows for the darker moments in Greece's history to be given a much-needed place on lead. However, is it just me or the way it is written, feels slightly off? I feel it would use some grammatical improvements (that is, to improve or re-word in a more encyclopedic fashion without changing the information it tries to deliver to the readers).
PS: the "The country's rich historical legacy is reflected in part by its 18 UNESCO World Heritage Sites.
" doesn't really feel like a good conclusion for the paragraph either. The writing of the last sentence really feels like it was made by another editor entirely, at a different time, and then just moved there (which is true). -
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Over the first hundred years the kingdom of Greece sought its territorial expansion: a comma may be needed at the middle of the sentence.
which was mainly achieved in the early 20th century, during the Balkan Wars and up until the catastrophe of Greece's Asia Minor Campaign in 1922.the following word: catastrophe, perhaps should be replaced with a more neutral word. While indeed it was catastrophic from a Greek perspective, the outsiders may not see it as "catastrophe" in the literal sense, and rarely you can see that term being used on ledes of articles about other countries whose wars had a decisive impact to them. Since Greece's lands that were lost in that campaign, were not pre-war ones, but post-war ones, thus, can't exactly be considered as catastrophic as the current wording may unintentionally suggest. Perhaps a replacement with another word i.e. "failure" because what happened in the war, was a failure, and what followed after, are the harsh consequences of being defeated in a war. Simple as that.
allowing it to join the ranks of developed nations: Perhaps if replacing "allowing it to join the ranks of" with "placing it among" can be a tad better.
The country's rich historical legacy is reflected in part by its 18 UNESCO World Heritage Sites.moving that elsewhere, will definitely help improve the whole paragraph's quality I think. Or re-word it to match the rest of the paragraph.
during the Balkan Wars and up until its Asia Minor Campaign which ended with a catastrophic defeat in 1922." sounds much better imo. (And in bold: a small a grammar correction if you don't mind). As for the matter of the refugees: would be a good idea to add them to the paragraph or else it will still falsely imply that the catastrophic here, was from a stricktly territorial perspective only. Therefore the addition of your "
and the challenge of resettling the refugees from Turkey" will prove useful to the readers because not every nation in the past century had such large-scale population exchanges that impacted the economic and political life of the said countries in such a dramatic way and shaped how Greek cities, including the capital, look today, with are characterized by an anarchic city planning and construction. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 15:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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bate ove se klasicici krimose ace e nas a oni go kardat a vie gi podrzuvate klosarana edna kopilaci sram da vi e
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Greek Scientists : addition of : Constantinos Daskalakis (Computer Scientist, Nevanlinna Prize 2018), Paris Kanellakis (Computer Scientist), Elias Koutsoupias (Computer Scientist, [Godel Prize]] 2012), Yiannis N. Moschovakis (Mathematician, Logician), Athanassios Fokas (Mathematician), Demetrios Christodoulou (Theoretical Physicist), John Iliopoulos (Theoretical Physicist, Dirac Medal 2007) John P.A. Ioannidis (Medical Statistics), Paul Alivisatos (Chemist), Phaedon Avouris (Biochemist) BILIASTAM ( talk) 07:57, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
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As a lot of other countries have this(Turkey, Spain, Bulgaria etc. lot of other countries) I suggest that after "Greece" there's also(Greek: Ελλάδα and the pronounciation for it which I don't have the time now to find what the code for it is but you understand what I mean, look at the countries I mentioned and you understand. 2A02:2F0F:F105:B100:EC70:4153:4224:EFEA ( talk) 20:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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at the section of Greek Music, expansion is needed in relation to popular singers and composers such as Markos Vamvakaris and Manolis Chiotis where no mention is made, also the main Greek operettas are not mentioned such as The Baptistikos by Theofrastos Sakellaridis. Alkeus ( talk) 09:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
There appears to be a gap in the history and I wonder if someone who knows the period could fill it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jontel ( talk • contribs) 12:22, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
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According to the 2011 census in Greece, there were around 912,000 permanent foreign residents from other countries in Greece, including Albanians (480,851), Bulgarians (75,917), Romanians (46,524), Pakistanis (34,178), Georgians (27,407), Ukraine (17,008) as well as smaller groups from the UK, Cyprus, Poland, Russia, India, Bangladesh, Germany, Egypt, Moldova and the Philippines. Significant minorities in Greece are Vlachs (200,000), Arvanites (95,000), ethnic Macedonians (100,000–200,000), Roma/Gypsies (265,000), Turks 90,000, Pomaks (35,000– 40,000) and Jews (5,000). Add this information to the demographics section.
Source: https://minorityrights.org/country/greece/ 103.164.138.55 ( talk) 22:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
Παρακαλώ, στο κεφάλαιο της γεωγραφίας, νομίζω ότι πρέπει να προστεθεί κάτι για τις λίμνες 46.252.39.141 ( talk) 11:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
It technically speaking is, because some of Greece's islands in the Aegean Sea are located east of the Europe-Asia border, thus making them technically Asian. NesserWiki ( talk) 21:08, 15 October 2023 (UTC)