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I have removed the ethnic percentages from the infobox because 1) such figures are almost always not worth the trouble, the issue is complex and not suited for inclusion in the infobox and 2) the quoted figures were not to be found in the sources given. Athenean ( talk) 08:02, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
It is not strictly stated what could or could not be included in the ethnic groups section.Yes it is. As long as by definition, ethnic =/= citizen, the entry should be filled with ethnicity data, otherwise it is misleading to include citizenship groups which could have different ethnicity from their stated citizenship. As far as your arguments about Alexikoua and Athenean, they are best suited to reply to them. I am only discussing the field entry of the infobox. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 18:22, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
I think it would be be bold to add a parameter in the template to define data such as citizenship and race without any any room left for misunderstandingI wouldn't advise that. You cannot unilaterally change the template without widespread consensus just to win your argument here. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 18:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
I agree for the ethnic percentages not being needed in the infobox . In many articles about states , such is the case , and for a good reason . Albeit i got confused and thought that the information was removed from the demographic section thus my revert . My opinion for what is worth . Gjirokastra15 ( talk) 17:15, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
There is a reference given in the article ( here) that says that, according to the Greek Ministry of Interior there are 189,000 ethnic Greeks from Albania that hold EDTO (Special Identity Card for Co-ethnics). It also states that there are 154,000 ethnic Greek from former Soviet Union that are holders of a EDTO. So far so good. But, the reference in the third paragraph of page two states that: "EDTO holders are not included in the Ministry of Interior data on aliens.". This means that ethnic Greeks, from Albania and the former USSR, holding an EDTO are counted as Greeks, even though they are not full Greek citizens. Consequently the Albanian citizens' figures don't include ethnic Greeks holding an EDTO. My proposal is that the statement: "189,000 people of the total population of Albanian citizens were reported as ethnic Greeks from Northern Epirus in 2008." in the demographics section should be removed, as it is a misrepresentation of the data given in the reference. Hansi667 ( talk) 10:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Greece is a photogenic place, but this is just ridiculous. Athenean ( talk) 05:28, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Some users around there have repeatedly mistaken the Institution ( Greek Orthodox Church) for being a religion by itself, which is not true and invalid. In the Infobox, the 'Religion' section is about the religion, not institutions serving that religion. So, the proper could be " Eastern Orthodoxy". Unless I am missing something, I could very much ask the users to not confuse the religious institutions with the religions these institutions are serving. -- SilentResident ( talk) 17:37, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
This statement is misleading: "Thessaloniki being the second largest and referred to as the co-capital." Thessaloniki is not the co-capital of Greece in any administrative sense. It earned the name "co-capital" during the Byzantine Empire.-- 98.114.178.63 ( talk) 11:35, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
"Public debt was forecast, according to some estimates, to hit 120% of GDP during 2010." is nonsense, because debt is an absolute amount of money whereas GDP is a rate of money per unit time, usually reported on a per-year basis. Perhaps this text really is supposed to mean 120% of one year of GDP, i.e. 1.2 years of GDP or 14.4 months of GDP? If the source of the info says it wrong, does that mean WikiPedia must repeat the mistake even when it's obvious the source is wrong? 198.144.192.45 ( talk) 03:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC) Twitter.Com/CalRobert (Robert Maas)
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Not done That is not a Semi-protected edit request, it is an unsourced PoV - Arjayay ( talk) 17:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Why are Greek defaults hidden? The defaults are very significant, they are in many reliable references, why do Greek editors cleanse the Greece article of significant things that look bad for Greece? Spumuq ( talq) 15:47, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Califate123 ( talk) 17:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
I am not an expert editor of Greece, so I leave my comments here for review. The economy section reports "very high standard of living". But the infobox reports "41st" for GDP per capita (PPP). Besides, 2 sources provided do not directly support this statement. All the best! SSZ ( talk) 00:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
( Personal attack removed) It is pathetic, really. --Prusan 09:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cantikadam ( talk • contribs)
" (...) a high quality of life and a very high standard of living" - Joke of the year?
Whoever reads this article thinks Greece is all rainbows and unicorns. Even in the economy section the most recent financial troubles are omitted. It only states the "recovery" in 2014, failing to address the fact the economy got back in recession once again. Not to mention the defaults... Califate123 ( talk) 17:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a place for nationals of a country to hide the truth about their nation.: I strongly suggest you stop this type of silly innuendo per WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Also don't forget if you attack the nationality of your fellow editors, they can also attack yours, and that can lead to discussions of really bad quality.
Hiding facts is one of the things that brought Greece to where it is in the first place.: I suggest you stop the trolling. I also suggest you understand the concept of reliable sources and follow what the reliable sources say. If the reliable source says "high" HDI it is not up to you to erase the adjective "high" because you don't like it or because you have your own ideas about what the HDI does or does not include. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 21:14, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, why are people hiding facts that make Greece look bad?Is this an admission of what you have been trying to do all this time? Are you trying to
make Greece look bad, to use your own words? I remind you that this is an encyclopedia, not a propaganda site. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 21:18, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
why are Greek editors hiding some of the most notable facts about Greece?: Once more stop your silly atacks against the Greek editors. Stop attacking editors based on their ethnicity otherwise I will give you a formal warning.
focus on content, stop attacking me: Leave the nonsense warnings and follow your own advice. My comments did not atack you. They were a response to your silly insinuations. You should not put WP:RECENT news in the lead. Also in your edit you claim
In 2012, Greece had the biggest sovereign debt default ever,...which is just the opinion of a columnist. There was no default in 2012. It was a debt haircut. The opinion of the columnist that it was a default is just a political opinion which is not supported by the majority of sources. As far as the rest of your edit it does not belong in the lead per WP:NOTNEWS. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 16:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
It is quite unfortunate that your beliefs directly contradict what multiple reliable sources say. Can you provide a reason why Greece's record-breaking default, and chronic economic problems, cannot be mentioned in our article about Greece? You mentioned WP:LEDE, but the content that you're edit-warring to remove fully complies with WP:LEDE. You mentioned recentism, but this isn't a recentism issue (and much more trivial recent things are allowed to remain in the article, as long as they look good for Greece). Do you have any other excuses for removing coverage of Greece's financial fuckups? I note that the rest of the Economy section also presents a surprisingly rosy picture, which is quite incompatible with the tone of independent sources. bobrayner ( talk) 18:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Do you have any other excuses for removing coverage of Greece's financial fuckups?Your economic analysis and terminology are neither competent nor neutral and that's being kind. Your simplistic interpretations of the Greek economic collapse and your attacks on other editors constitute very low quality arguments. This is just simplistic, neo-liberal POV which if left unchallenged will damage the article. This POV is also coupled with personal attacks and expletives which demonstrate tendentious editing. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 20:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Totally. And if it not a case of WP:RECENT then perhaps someone can explain to me why it was never ever in the lede in 2008, 2009, 2010, etc.. My opinion is that desires to have the crisis in the lede is just smug rejoice over a situation for which the EU as a body is ultimately responsible through its authoritarian bureaucracy and stealth quest to achieve full central European hegemony. Naphtha Termix ( talk) 20:35, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
No one is trolling, so don't come up with that reductio ad absurdum. The % of people living under the national poverty line has RISEN from 20% to 40%! 40% of Greeks are technically poor! How can this translate as "very high living standards"?! And once again, HDI isn't about quality of life. Do you consider, for instance, Croatia and Cuba as having a "VERY high quality of life" just because they have a very high HDI?? ( Personal attack removed) The entire world already knows it is far from having a "very high quality of life". Califate123 ( talk) 15:57, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I was quite surprised to find almost nothing about the ferry boat system, either here or at Transport in Greece. Isn't it the main mode of transportation between islands? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 20:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I think a sub section in Economy section about Mr.Guy Verhofstadt's speech could be written. -- Prusan ( talk) 06:15, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I think it is important as the fact that it is the first time a prime misinter of an EU country got accused, attacked so directly and strongly. It is noteworthy -- Prusan ( talk) 13:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes it is not scientific but it is still important and yes it is more suitable for the article Tsipras not Greece.-- Prusan ( talk) 14:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
this statement is misleading " a region with a large native Greek population at the time..." the time is not definite. After the 1919 Smyrna occupation there was a population transport to Smyrna from Greece affecting the demographics. For pre 1919 situation See. For more information see -- Prusan ( talk) 14:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I 'd like to change the number of inhabited islands from 227 to 127 Kampanario ( talk) 16:07, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I strongly recommend an update for Greece Economy -- Prusan ( talk) 13:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
ps.the politics and introduction sections will need an overhaul as there will be questions about the soverenigty of Greece in recent circumstances
...Food companies warned that the country will start to run out of beef and other imported meats within days and could face serious food shortages by the end of the month unless the banking system is reopened, and firms can pay foreign suppliers once again. Source. Greece article will need an overhaul especially on "high living standarts". -- Prusan ( talk) 13:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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This is because "world famous" is an accepted English expression. Paul olley ( talk) 22:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Why is that gallery there anyway? It looks completely random and unprincipled, like a dumping ground somebody has been shifting any old random photo to that used to be somewhere else in the article and no longer fit there. I think I'm going to remove the whole thing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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I don't know how to add the citation needed notation. And as recent news reports have clearly shown, illegal immigrants have been entering from Turkey by crossing the waters to Lesbos and Kos. Dyspeptic skeptic ( talk) 03:25, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
This section is way too long and filled with incomprehensible jargon. I doubt any of our readers know what ESA97 is. A brief 2-3 sentence mention is sufficient, so I propose to remove it except for maybe the first few sentences. Athenean ( talk) 23:33, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
The title clearly should read 20th century. Would correct it but I can't seem to find the edit button... 186.79.30.84 ( talk) 01:21, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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81.240.29.218 ( talk) 20:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC) Please change it shares land borders with Albania to the northwest, the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria to the north to it shares land borders with Albania to the northwest, the FYROM and Bulgaria to the north because the Hellenic Republic only recognizes FYROM as an act of denouncement of it's theft of history and culture and as an act of exercising its full rights as a sovereign state. [1]
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Would the financial crisis be significant enough to include somewhere in the lead? I don't quite know the policies on talking about such recent things in articles. Also, is the referendum worth mentioning? -- Vamanospests ( talk) 03:44, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
There is no financial crisis in Greece. It enjoys high living standarts and very high income per capita. Just like Norway. 195.87.42.210 ( talk) 13:12, 12 November 2015 (UTC).
Well there is a financial problem and the standard of living or per capita income is not like norways but still cannot be compared to that of turkeys. In fact greece even with the new human development index just published for 2015 is the 29th most advanced/developed country in the world and of course has indeed a very high standard of living and high per capita income. Of course, if compared to the likes of countries like turkey then i would say the standard of living is out of the league. And one final note: it doesnt help a lot when someone is provocative 149.210.111.163 ( talk) 16:54, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Great self esteem, unemployment rate shows which country enjoys better life standards. (
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A comment there asked to mention this here. It's just a matter of WP:UE in my view, but I am happy to oblige. -- dab (𒁳) 12:56, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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I have removed the ethnic percentages from the infobox because 1) such figures are almost always not worth the trouble, the issue is complex and not suited for inclusion in the infobox and 2) the quoted figures were not to be found in the sources given. Athenean ( talk) 08:02, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
It is not strictly stated what could or could not be included in the ethnic groups section.Yes it is. As long as by definition, ethnic =/= citizen, the entry should be filled with ethnicity data, otherwise it is misleading to include citizenship groups which could have different ethnicity from their stated citizenship. As far as your arguments about Alexikoua and Athenean, they are best suited to reply to them. I am only discussing the field entry of the infobox. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 18:22, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
I think it would be be bold to add a parameter in the template to define data such as citizenship and race without any any room left for misunderstandingI wouldn't advise that. You cannot unilaterally change the template without widespread consensus just to win your argument here. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 18:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
I agree for the ethnic percentages not being needed in the infobox . In many articles about states , such is the case , and for a good reason . Albeit i got confused and thought that the information was removed from the demographic section thus my revert . My opinion for what is worth . Gjirokastra15 ( talk) 17:15, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
There is a reference given in the article ( here) that says that, according to the Greek Ministry of Interior there are 189,000 ethnic Greeks from Albania that hold EDTO (Special Identity Card for Co-ethnics). It also states that there are 154,000 ethnic Greek from former Soviet Union that are holders of a EDTO. So far so good. But, the reference in the third paragraph of page two states that: "EDTO holders are not included in the Ministry of Interior data on aliens.". This means that ethnic Greeks, from Albania and the former USSR, holding an EDTO are counted as Greeks, even though they are not full Greek citizens. Consequently the Albanian citizens' figures don't include ethnic Greeks holding an EDTO. My proposal is that the statement: "189,000 people of the total population of Albanian citizens were reported as ethnic Greeks from Northern Epirus in 2008." in the demographics section should be removed, as it is a misrepresentation of the data given in the reference. Hansi667 ( talk) 10:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Greece is a photogenic place, but this is just ridiculous. Athenean ( talk) 05:28, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Some users around there have repeatedly mistaken the Institution ( Greek Orthodox Church) for being a religion by itself, which is not true and invalid. In the Infobox, the 'Religion' section is about the religion, not institutions serving that religion. So, the proper could be " Eastern Orthodoxy". Unless I am missing something, I could very much ask the users to not confuse the religious institutions with the religions these institutions are serving. -- SilentResident ( talk) 17:37, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
This statement is misleading: "Thessaloniki being the second largest and referred to as the co-capital." Thessaloniki is not the co-capital of Greece in any administrative sense. It earned the name "co-capital" during the Byzantine Empire.-- 98.114.178.63 ( talk) 11:35, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
"Public debt was forecast, according to some estimates, to hit 120% of GDP during 2010." is nonsense, because debt is an absolute amount of money whereas GDP is a rate of money per unit time, usually reported on a per-year basis. Perhaps this text really is supposed to mean 120% of one year of GDP, i.e. 1.2 years of GDP or 14.4 months of GDP? If the source of the info says it wrong, does that mean WikiPedia must repeat the mistake even when it's obvious the source is wrong? 198.144.192.45 ( talk) 03:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC) Twitter.Com/CalRobert (Robert Maas)
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+ The Best Olive Oil, in the World. +€. Amen
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Not done That is not a Semi-protected edit request, it is an unsourced PoV - Arjayay ( talk) 17:53, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Why are Greek defaults hidden? The defaults are very significant, they are in many reliable references, why do Greek editors cleanse the Greece article of significant things that look bad for Greece? Spumuq ( talq) 15:47, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Califate123 ( talk) 17:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
I am not an expert editor of Greece, so I leave my comments here for review. The economy section reports "very high standard of living". But the infobox reports "41st" for GDP per capita (PPP). Besides, 2 sources provided do not directly support this statement. All the best! SSZ ( talk) 00:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
( Personal attack removed) It is pathetic, really. --Prusan 09:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cantikadam ( talk • contribs)
" (...) a high quality of life and a very high standard of living" - Joke of the year?
Whoever reads this article thinks Greece is all rainbows and unicorns. Even in the economy section the most recent financial troubles are omitted. It only states the "recovery" in 2014, failing to address the fact the economy got back in recession once again. Not to mention the defaults... Califate123 ( talk) 17:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a place for nationals of a country to hide the truth about their nation.: I strongly suggest you stop this type of silly innuendo per WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Also don't forget if you attack the nationality of your fellow editors, they can also attack yours, and that can lead to discussions of really bad quality.
Hiding facts is one of the things that brought Greece to where it is in the first place.: I suggest you stop the trolling. I also suggest you understand the concept of reliable sources and follow what the reliable sources say. If the reliable source says "high" HDI it is not up to you to erase the adjective "high" because you don't like it or because you have your own ideas about what the HDI does or does not include. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 21:14, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, why are people hiding facts that make Greece look bad?Is this an admission of what you have been trying to do all this time? Are you trying to
make Greece look bad, to use your own words? I remind you that this is an encyclopedia, not a propaganda site. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 21:18, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
why are Greek editors hiding some of the most notable facts about Greece?: Once more stop your silly atacks against the Greek editors. Stop attacking editors based on their ethnicity otherwise I will give you a formal warning.
focus on content, stop attacking me: Leave the nonsense warnings and follow your own advice. My comments did not atack you. They were a response to your silly insinuations. You should not put WP:RECENT news in the lead. Also in your edit you claim
In 2012, Greece had the biggest sovereign debt default ever,...which is just the opinion of a columnist. There was no default in 2012. It was a debt haircut. The opinion of the columnist that it was a default is just a political opinion which is not supported by the majority of sources. As far as the rest of your edit it does not belong in the lead per WP:NOTNEWS. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 16:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
It is quite unfortunate that your beliefs directly contradict what multiple reliable sources say. Can you provide a reason why Greece's record-breaking default, and chronic economic problems, cannot be mentioned in our article about Greece? You mentioned WP:LEDE, but the content that you're edit-warring to remove fully complies with WP:LEDE. You mentioned recentism, but this isn't a recentism issue (and much more trivial recent things are allowed to remain in the article, as long as they look good for Greece). Do you have any other excuses for removing coverage of Greece's financial fuckups? I note that the rest of the Economy section also presents a surprisingly rosy picture, which is quite incompatible with the tone of independent sources. bobrayner ( talk) 18:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Do you have any other excuses for removing coverage of Greece's financial fuckups?Your economic analysis and terminology are neither competent nor neutral and that's being kind. Your simplistic interpretations of the Greek economic collapse and your attacks on other editors constitute very low quality arguments. This is just simplistic, neo-liberal POV which if left unchallenged will damage the article. This POV is also coupled with personal attacks and expletives which demonstrate tendentious editing. Δρ.Κ. λόγος πράξις 20:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Totally. And if it not a case of WP:RECENT then perhaps someone can explain to me why it was never ever in the lede in 2008, 2009, 2010, etc.. My opinion is that desires to have the crisis in the lede is just smug rejoice over a situation for which the EU as a body is ultimately responsible through its authoritarian bureaucracy and stealth quest to achieve full central European hegemony. Naphtha Termix ( talk) 20:35, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
No one is trolling, so don't come up with that reductio ad absurdum. The % of people living under the national poverty line has RISEN from 20% to 40%! 40% of Greeks are technically poor! How can this translate as "very high living standards"?! And once again, HDI isn't about quality of life. Do you consider, for instance, Croatia and Cuba as having a "VERY high quality of life" just because they have a very high HDI?? ( Personal attack removed) The entire world already knows it is far from having a "very high quality of life". Califate123 ( talk) 15:57, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I was quite surprised to find almost nothing about the ferry boat system, either here or at Transport in Greece. Isn't it the main mode of transportation between islands? Kendall-K1 ( talk) 20:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I think a sub section in Economy section about Mr.Guy Verhofstadt's speech could be written. -- Prusan ( talk) 06:15, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I think it is important as the fact that it is the first time a prime misinter of an EU country got accused, attacked so directly and strongly. It is noteworthy -- Prusan ( talk) 13:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes it is not scientific but it is still important and yes it is more suitable for the article Tsipras not Greece.-- Prusan ( talk) 14:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
this statement is misleading " a region with a large native Greek population at the time..." the time is not definite. After the 1919 Smyrna occupation there was a population transport to Smyrna from Greece affecting the demographics. For pre 1919 situation See. For more information see -- Prusan ( talk) 14:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I 'd like to change the number of inhabited islands from 227 to 127 Kampanario ( talk) 16:07, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I strongly recommend an update for Greece Economy -- Prusan ( talk) 13:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
ps.the politics and introduction sections will need an overhaul as there will be questions about the soverenigty of Greece in recent circumstances
...Food companies warned that the country will start to run out of beef and other imported meats within days and could face serious food shortages by the end of the month unless the banking system is reopened, and firms can pay foreign suppliers once again. Source. Greece article will need an overhaul especially on "high living standarts". -- Prusan ( talk) 13:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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Why is that gallery there anyway? It looks completely random and unprincipled, like a dumping ground somebody has been shifting any old random photo to that used to be somewhere else in the article and no longer fit there. I think I'm going to remove the whole thing. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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I don't know how to add the citation needed notation. And as recent news reports have clearly shown, illegal immigrants have been entering from Turkey by crossing the waters to Lesbos and Kos. Dyspeptic skeptic ( talk) 03:25, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
This section is way too long and filled with incomprehensible jargon. I doubt any of our readers know what ESA97 is. A brief 2-3 sentence mention is sufficient, so I propose to remove it except for maybe the first few sentences. Athenean ( talk) 23:33, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
The title clearly should read 20th century. Would correct it but I can't seem to find the edit button... 186.79.30.84 ( talk) 01:21, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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81.240.29.218 ( talk) 20:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC) Please change it shares land borders with Albania to the northwest, the Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria to the north to it shares land borders with Albania to the northwest, the FYROM and Bulgaria to the north because the Hellenic Republic only recognizes FYROM as an act of denouncement of it's theft of history and culture and as an act of exercising its full rights as a sovereign state. [1]
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Would the financial crisis be significant enough to include somewhere in the lead? I don't quite know the policies on talking about such recent things in articles. Also, is the referendum worth mentioning? -- Vamanospests ( talk) 03:44, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
There is no financial crisis in Greece. It enjoys high living standarts and very high income per capita. Just like Norway. 195.87.42.210 ( talk) 13:12, 12 November 2015 (UTC).
Well there is a financial problem and the standard of living or per capita income is not like norways but still cannot be compared to that of turkeys. In fact greece even with the new human development index just published for 2015 is the 29th most advanced/developed country in the world and of course has indeed a very high standard of living and high per capita income. Of course, if compared to the likes of countries like turkey then i would say the standard of living is out of the league. And one final note: it doesnt help a lot when someone is provocative 149.210.111.163 ( talk) 16:54, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Great self esteem, unemployment rate shows which country enjoys better life standards. (
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A comment there asked to mention this here. It's just a matter of WP:UE in my view, but I am happy to oblige. -- dab (𒁳) 12:56, 3 April 2016 (UTC)