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The Chapter "Memoir" now exists twice in the article. I recommend deleting the second version, since the first is more detailed regarding to reviews. 95.91.8.30 ( talk) 18:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Done Well spotted! Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 19:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Some thoughts on the memoir—it looks notable under WP:NBOOK#1 if someone wanted to create a standalone article. However, I imagine a Synopsis would prove difficult as it appears the book uses incorrect names for many individuals and makes claims that we can't repeat on Wikipedia for BLP reasons, at least unless we have sufficient secondary sources to say "Linehan falsely claims that ...". Pseudoscientific book summaries might be the place to look to see how secondary sources can be used to contextualise fringe material while also conveying the book's contents.
In this article, I presume we'd take Tough Crowd as reliable for statements about Linehan's early life and career that are not connected to transgender topics, which might be useful given the brevity of "Early life" and coverage of Father Ted and The IT Crowd. However, given that reviewers say things like "its author clearly hasn’t worked through his issues" ( Irish Times) it's best to err on the side of attributing statements to the book or avoiding them if they seem the slightest bit dubious. — Bilorv ( talk) 14:41, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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Graham misgendered the murdered teenage girl Brianna Ghey, twice on X (formerly Twitter), once at 13:01 (time) on November 28th 2023, and then again on the day of the announcement that two teenagers were found guilty of her murder; December 20th 2023 (at 19:44). Both tweets remain in the site under his account. Banglesdebelle ( talk) 19:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
I suggest changing "anti-transgender" to "anti-gender-ideology". People who are opposed to certain aspects of gender ideology, such as youth transition, facility use by transgender individuals, or simply pointing out that there is a difference between transgender and non-transgender people, are often not opposed to transgender people or transgenderism writ large. Graham has made it clear that he is opposed to youth transition and mixed facility use and believes there's a difference between transgender and non-transgender individuals, but has not signaled hate or opposition to transgender people generally. 108.39.236.230 ( talk) 12:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
I've just been listening to Gary Linehan for the first time ever. I thought I wonder what other people think, so I started looking for information from other sources. You have incorrectly described him as anti-transgender. He would be better described as pro woman. From what I've read there are other people that have made this point before. If that's the case, then it's a disappointing indictment on Wikipedia. I look forward to your response. Buzz nz ( talk) 20:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
I think a counterpoint and supporting link to add a bit more background on this would be helpful. The current phrasing takes at face value that there was a good faith attempt to perform a stand up show as part of the Edinburgh festival that was unexpectedly cancelled then restaged.
In particular, the line stating "performed a stand-up comedy show" is misleading - Edinburgh festival shows are typically an hour, this was 5 minutes.
This article on Chortle humourously makes the case that cancellation was the desired outcome: https://www.chortle.co.uk/correspondents/2023/08/25/54015/the_graham_linehan_episode_has_proved_that_comedy_unleashed_are_just_as_mediocre_as_the_stand-up_mainstream Pumpumpump ( talk) 18:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
omg would you cool it with the identity politics and not make him a target of hate for supposedly being "anti-transgender", right in the first line? 77.2.69.70 ( talk) 18:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
It seems that this is a page that isn't written neutrally at all. Particularly in the light of the Cass review, the opinion in the UK has changed quite dramatically on this now. Can this not be revised to be neutral? Zaphriel ( talk) 05:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Chapter "Memoir" now exists twice in the article. I recommend deleting the second version, since the first is more detailed regarding to reviews. 95.91.8.30 ( talk) 18:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Done Well spotted! Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 19:27, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Some thoughts on the memoir—it looks notable under WP:NBOOK#1 if someone wanted to create a standalone article. However, I imagine a Synopsis would prove difficult as it appears the book uses incorrect names for many individuals and makes claims that we can't repeat on Wikipedia for BLP reasons, at least unless we have sufficient secondary sources to say "Linehan falsely claims that ...". Pseudoscientific book summaries might be the place to look to see how secondary sources can be used to contextualise fringe material while also conveying the book's contents.
In this article, I presume we'd take Tough Crowd as reliable for statements about Linehan's early life and career that are not connected to transgender topics, which might be useful given the brevity of "Early life" and coverage of Father Ted and The IT Crowd. However, given that reviewers say things like "its author clearly hasn’t worked through his issues" ( Irish Times) it's best to err on the side of attributing statements to the book or avoiding them if they seem the slightest bit dubious. — Bilorv ( talk) 14:41, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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Graham misgendered the murdered teenage girl Brianna Ghey, twice on X (formerly Twitter), once at 13:01 (time) on November 28th 2023, and then again on the day of the announcement that two teenagers were found guilty of her murder; December 20th 2023 (at 19:44). Both tweets remain in the site under his account. Banglesdebelle ( talk) 19:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
I suggest changing "anti-transgender" to "anti-gender-ideology". People who are opposed to certain aspects of gender ideology, such as youth transition, facility use by transgender individuals, or simply pointing out that there is a difference between transgender and non-transgender people, are often not opposed to transgender people or transgenderism writ large. Graham has made it clear that he is opposed to youth transition and mixed facility use and believes there's a difference between transgender and non-transgender individuals, but has not signaled hate or opposition to transgender people generally. 108.39.236.230 ( talk) 12:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
I've just been listening to Gary Linehan for the first time ever. I thought I wonder what other people think, so I started looking for information from other sources. You have incorrectly described him as anti-transgender. He would be better described as pro woman. From what I've read there are other people that have made this point before. If that's the case, then it's a disappointing indictment on Wikipedia. I look forward to your response. Buzz nz ( talk) 20:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
I think a counterpoint and supporting link to add a bit more background on this would be helpful. The current phrasing takes at face value that there was a good faith attempt to perform a stand up show as part of the Edinburgh festival that was unexpectedly cancelled then restaged.
In particular, the line stating "performed a stand-up comedy show" is misleading - Edinburgh festival shows are typically an hour, this was 5 minutes.
This article on Chortle humourously makes the case that cancellation was the desired outcome: https://www.chortle.co.uk/correspondents/2023/08/25/54015/the_graham_linehan_episode_has_proved_that_comedy_unleashed_are_just_as_mediocre_as_the_stand-up_mainstream Pumpumpump ( talk) 18:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
omg would you cool it with the identity politics and not make him a target of hate for supposedly being "anti-transgender", right in the first line? 77.2.69.70 ( talk) 18:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
It seems that this is a page that isn't written neutrally at all. Particularly in the light of the Cass review, the opinion in the UK has changed quite dramatically on this now. Can this not be revised to be neutral? Zaphriel ( talk) 05:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)