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Generally a very poor Wikipedia article - for a start it should be overloaded with MSM reports from credible sources going back centuries everywhere etc instead of constantly attempting to state general (modern) patterns some of which not even exist at all (the idea that troublemakers are automatically attracted to edit such an article seems not mentioned anywhere when surely it is blindingly obvious?) A lot of it seems to be just conjecture too - very poor.
If an article is contested and likely to attract divisive troublemakers, that should be said the article. Just stick to reported MSM case facts and state why much the issue can't be clarified conclusively (the Wikipedia obsession with establishing infinite truths which can't be established - there should be a word for it).
e.g. 2020 United States presidential election 7.4 False claims of fraud - /info/en/?search=2020_United_States_presidential_election#False_claims_of_fraud
Why is that article held to a different standard? That word "False" is presumably cemented into the article to prevent divisive troublemakers removing it?
(The article seems to say that UK gang rape is a purely 21st century phenomena - it certainly cites no cases from before then. Is Wikipedia like many scientists say about a time machine and that it can't go back further than its own existence?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.210.174 ( talk) 15:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Why would anyone redirect this article? It was a redirect once, but since March 10 text and sources have been added. It's still short, but the subject is notable enough for an article. Sjö ( talk) 20:02, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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While doing uncontentious maintenance stuff, I was rather surprised to see that there was an article called "Gangrape". I've moved it to the correct title, "Gang rape". — Tom Morris ( talk) 18:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
There are gang rapes that are partaken as punishment due to the rulings o f local courts. This is not in the article. Perhaps under a @legaL" section?( Lihaas ( talk) 16:28, 31 January 2014 (UTC)).
My edit [1] removed a bad source, and a possibly good rebuttal source that is unneeded after the first one goes away.
The Color Of Crime website is not a reliable source. It is a propaganda site, apparently catering to a white supremacist audience, though perhaps the casual observer might not know it. Jehochman Talk 16:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
There are some individuals that are mentioned by name in the article, either as victims or as offenders and I don't think that it's in the spirit of WP:BLP. If the cases haven't been very widely published I think that the article would be better without them. It gives an undue weight to particular cases, and might skew the picture of the situation in the particular country. Comments? Sjö 06:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Regarding this edit by OccultZone, I understand that we are coming off the Kohelet matter noted in the #Bad source section above, but I don't think that it's appropriate to censor everything regarding " race" in this article. For example, males ( minor teenagers and men) make up the vast majority of rapists, but we don't call reporting that matter "sexist," and we certainly should not WP:Censor it. The same goes for various topics on Wikipedia regarding sex (as in gender) and "race." And I only have "race" in quotation marks there because many scientists, the vast majority, it seems, state that "race" does not truly exist, and that, in this regard, it is more accurate to think of people in terms of clines. I'm certainly not stating that we should include the type of reporting that Kohelet included (I was clearly against that in the aforementioned section above); I'm stating that we should not be excluding all prevalence material with regard to "race" and gang rape. Flyer22 ( talk) 16:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
I had added the following para under "Causes...". (It was deleted. I am not complaining, but there is a lot of truth in this. If people don't avoid pornography they will be driven to madly gratify their lust, to the extent of committing ghastly crimes. Let the paragraph remain in talk.)
Rape is punishable in most countries, but not watching pornography. Too much exposure to pornography is a possible reason why a group of male persons are driven to rape a woman. When a group of male persons watch pornographic videos together, repeatedly, it is highly likely that they are driven to gratify their lust, and become criminals.
- Polytope4d ( talk) 15:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
-- Mikeymikemikey ( talk) 14:51, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Race It's a highly contention issue but it is the nature of gang rape discourse in UK. I say in this in the light that the Home office in 2013 realised a reported stating 'However, we can see recent cases show a particular model has emerged of organised, serious exploitation and abuse that involves predominantly Pakistani-heritage men grooming and abusing predominantly white British girls. Together, as communities, we need to ensure these sickening crimes no longer remain hidden.' [1] Whether one believes this true on not,(taking no side on this issue), it is the climate of gang rape discourse in the UK.-- Mikeymikemikey ( talk) 23:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
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This statement needs more proof, other than some obscure biased feminist book. It's a total joke that something like this can be written as fact without any sort of corroborating statistics by official crime-fighting agencies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thralleyes ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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The topic of gang rape is in the news because of allegations against Brett Kavanaugh.
/info/en/?search=Brett_Kavanaugh_Supreme_Court_nomination#Julie_Swetnick -- Chickencafe ( talk) 11:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
It appears the article has showed the following for an extended period:
@ Kleuske: The same issue is at Rape in India. Please have a look at the above source. It says: "The countries with the lowest per capita rates of rape are ... India (0.014)" (my bold). That supports "lowest". Any thoughts? Johnuniq ( talk) 08:02, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
It is stated that "amongst the Mpumalanga of South Africa... " this is erroneous, because there is no culture or ethnic group in South Africa called "the Mpumalanga".
Mpumalanga is one of the 9 provinces of South Africa, and the major ethnic groups which live there are the Swazi, Zulu, Ndebele and Tsonga. Levan Gwerin ( talk) 13:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
@ JayBeeEl:, please explain specifically what in my recent edit "aggressively misrepresented sources". I worked hard to accurately describe the material in the sources, and while I see that I erred in replacing 19,000 "victims" with "perpetrators", and will correct it, I fail to see any misrepresentations, let alone willful ones. Thanks! Elle Kpyros ( talk) 16:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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Generally a very poor Wikipedia article - for a start it should be overloaded with MSM reports from credible sources going back centuries everywhere etc instead of constantly attempting to state general (modern) patterns some of which not even exist at all (the idea that troublemakers are automatically attracted to edit such an article seems not mentioned anywhere when surely it is blindingly obvious?) A lot of it seems to be just conjecture too - very poor.
If an article is contested and likely to attract divisive troublemakers, that should be said the article. Just stick to reported MSM case facts and state why much the issue can't be clarified conclusively (the Wikipedia obsession with establishing infinite truths which can't be established - there should be a word for it).
e.g. 2020 United States presidential election 7.4 False claims of fraud - /info/en/?search=2020_United_States_presidential_election#False_claims_of_fraud
Why is that article held to a different standard? That word "False" is presumably cemented into the article to prevent divisive troublemakers removing it?
(The article seems to say that UK gang rape is a purely 21st century phenomena - it certainly cites no cases from before then. Is Wikipedia like many scientists say about a time machine and that it can't go back further than its own existence?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.210.174 ( talk) 15:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Why would anyone redirect this article? It was a redirect once, but since March 10 text and sources have been added. It's still short, but the subject is notable enough for an article. Sjö ( talk) 20:02, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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While doing uncontentious maintenance stuff, I was rather surprised to see that there was an article called "Gangrape". I've moved it to the correct title, "Gang rape". — Tom Morris ( talk) 18:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
There are gang rapes that are partaken as punishment due to the rulings o f local courts. This is not in the article. Perhaps under a @legaL" section?( Lihaas ( talk) 16:28, 31 January 2014 (UTC)).
My edit [1] removed a bad source, and a possibly good rebuttal source that is unneeded after the first one goes away.
The Color Of Crime website is not a reliable source. It is a propaganda site, apparently catering to a white supremacist audience, though perhaps the casual observer might not know it. Jehochman Talk 16:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
There are some individuals that are mentioned by name in the article, either as victims or as offenders and I don't think that it's in the spirit of WP:BLP. If the cases haven't been very widely published I think that the article would be better without them. It gives an undue weight to particular cases, and might skew the picture of the situation in the particular country. Comments? Sjö 06:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Regarding this edit by OccultZone, I understand that we are coming off the Kohelet matter noted in the #Bad source section above, but I don't think that it's appropriate to censor everything regarding " race" in this article. For example, males ( minor teenagers and men) make up the vast majority of rapists, but we don't call reporting that matter "sexist," and we certainly should not WP:Censor it. The same goes for various topics on Wikipedia regarding sex (as in gender) and "race." And I only have "race" in quotation marks there because many scientists, the vast majority, it seems, state that "race" does not truly exist, and that, in this regard, it is more accurate to think of people in terms of clines. I'm certainly not stating that we should include the type of reporting that Kohelet included (I was clearly against that in the aforementioned section above); I'm stating that we should not be excluding all prevalence material with regard to "race" and gang rape. Flyer22 ( talk) 16:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
I had added the following para under "Causes...". (It was deleted. I am not complaining, but there is a lot of truth in this. If people don't avoid pornography they will be driven to madly gratify their lust, to the extent of committing ghastly crimes. Let the paragraph remain in talk.)
Rape is punishable in most countries, but not watching pornography. Too much exposure to pornography is a possible reason why a group of male persons are driven to rape a woman. When a group of male persons watch pornographic videos together, repeatedly, it is highly likely that they are driven to gratify their lust, and become criminals.
- Polytope4d ( talk) 15:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
-- Mikeymikemikey ( talk) 14:51, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Race It's a highly contention issue but it is the nature of gang rape discourse in UK. I say in this in the light that the Home office in 2013 realised a reported stating 'However, we can see recent cases show a particular model has emerged of organised, serious exploitation and abuse that involves predominantly Pakistani-heritage men grooming and abusing predominantly white British girls. Together, as communities, we need to ensure these sickening crimes no longer remain hidden.' [1] Whether one believes this true on not,(taking no side on this issue), it is the climate of gang rape discourse in the UK.-- Mikeymikemikey ( talk) 23:51, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
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This statement needs more proof, other than some obscure biased feminist book. It's a total joke that something like this can be written as fact without any sort of corroborating statistics by official crime-fighting agencies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thralleyes ( talk • contribs) 16:26, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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The topic of gang rape is in the news because of allegations against Brett Kavanaugh.
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@ Kleuske: The same issue is at Rape in India. Please have a look at the above source. It says: "The countries with the lowest per capita rates of rape are ... India (0.014)" (my bold). That supports "lowest". Any thoughts? Johnuniq ( talk) 08:02, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
It is stated that "amongst the Mpumalanga of South Africa... " this is erroneous, because there is no culture or ethnic group in South Africa called "the Mpumalanga".
Mpumalanga is one of the 9 provinces of South Africa, and the major ethnic groups which live there are the Swazi, Zulu, Ndebele and Tsonga. Levan Gwerin ( talk) 13:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
@ JayBeeEl:, please explain specifically what in my recent edit "aggressively misrepresented sources". I worked hard to accurately describe the material in the sources, and while I see that I erred in replacing 19,000 "victims" with "perpetrators", and will correct it, I fail to see any misrepresentations, let alone willful ones. Thanks! Elle Kpyros ( talk) 16:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)