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Despite the well meaning idea behind this festival, in modern times it has led to increasing religious tensions between the hardcore Hindus and Muslims. The increasing number of fundamental hindus out to stir trouble try to pass along the routes inhabited by other religious groups thereby inciting violence (on the lines of the Orange Order marches). Environmentalists too have questioned the dumping of the idols made increasingly with chemicals which pollute the lakes and seas. On September 2004, the Chennai High Court imposed a temporary ban on such immersions. Every year there are atleast a couple of casualties associated with accidents (while dumping the idols) or clashes associated with this.
It would be helpful if the author of this particular section would provide some references. This seems to be a rather generalised view based on a few random incidents.
Rohitbd 15:32, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
Changed the "Problems" section and added information about non-Hindus' involvement in Ganesh Chaturthi along with reference for the same.
Rohitbd 15:58, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
The section tittled "Problems" is too specific for an encylopedia article and is based on isolated incidents. Removal this section is suggested.
Geeteshgadkari ( talk) 13:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Namaste! I notice that the Ganesh Chaturthi page contains some general background that is duplicative of general material found on the Ganesha page. It may be easier to do maintenance if this duplicate content were simplified, with the general material about Ganeshji found on his main page, and concentrating on information about the festival on the Ganesh Chaturthi page. Do others agree with this idea, or are these other points of view? ॐ गं गणपतये नमः Buddhipriya 05:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
As a matter of interest there are about 91 different figures of Ganesha according to research done by several scholars. The details of their make up may vary from figure to figure, but with no change in the main set-up. It is the enigma of certain striking variations in details that the sublime in the figures of Ganesha has to be sought for. Some figures are seen sitting with their trunks turned towards the left side, invariably reaching a bowl of modaks (a sweet edible and festive preparation), while in some figures, the trunks are seen turning towards the right and in yet others, the trunk is straight, hanging down, with or without a pot of nectar in the curve of their trunks. In some images, Ganesha is seen standing, resting his right foot on a lion and his left foot on a mouse (his chosen mode of transport), while in some other images, his left foot is found resting on a mouse and his right foot lifted in an effort to touch the serpent girdle - his mount carrying a jewel in its mouth.
this page may need a rollback to correct vandalism but i don't know how to do it. can someone help? Buddhipriya 06:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I did the merge with Ganesh Festival. The Ganesh{|a} merge had already been done. 59.92.194.4 14:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Another major component that this entry is missing is some discussion of the extent to which the public performance of Ganesh Chaturthi is associtated with and often underwritten by the Hindu right. This is true not only in Maharashtra, where in Mumbai the event always features extensive Shiv Sena presence and is often marred by outbreaks of Hindu-Muslim violence; but in other places where this has become a major public event as well. One example would be Hyderabad, where the event has featured several incidents over the years.
I would not say that this should be the formost emphasis, but to leave it out entirely is irresponsible.
Finally, I think the ToI article that has been included gives readers an excellent description of what the festival actually looks like and the reasoning behind various pujas. However, the heading 'Rooted in Tradition' is completely misleading, since as the article makes clear we are dicussing a festival that began in its current form in the 19th century. Ganesh Chathurthi is one of the most important and visible examples of modern Hinduism, and to imply that it is 'traditional' does a disservice to the creativity (and mischief) of Tilak and other people who brough the festival to prominence in the modern era.
Ganesh Chaturti is the right name. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:15, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
The festival is of the Hindus. It is not associated with any political party. The names can be merged into one entry - Ganesh Chaturthi. This is how it is referred to in Maharashtra. This festival occurs on the fourth day (chaturthi)of the Hindu calendar. Ganesh Chaturthi occurs around August. In these public celebrations huge images of Ganesha ranging from 10 feet to 40 feet are installed and along with the daily prayers and hymns, there are entertainment programmes which are a major attraction. Till the turn of the last century, this festival was celebrated only in homes and temples. But during the struggle for independence against British rule, freedom fighter Lokmanya Tilak made it a public festival. Tilak did this so as to cleverly broadcast his political message of freedom for India. Carried out in the garb of a religious activity, it was difficult for the British Administration to curb it. But the festival once having acquired a public form for a political purpose, retained that form even after the political purpose ceased to exist. Hence even today in independent India Ganeshotsava is celebrated both publicly and privately.
a show of strenght?! who the hell wrote that?
I am moving this comment from the main page to here (where it belongs!):
Can some editor address this issue in the article, if needed ? (sorry, I haven't read the complete article myself yet) Abecedare 07:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
[regarding Gaṇapati festivals when special pūjā is performed:] "These are the Vināyaka caturthī in the śuklapakṣa (the fourth day of the waxing moon) in the month of bhādrapada (August/September) and the Gaṇeśa jayanti (Gaṇeśa's birthday) celebrated on the cathurthī of the kṛṣṇapakṣa (fourth day of the waning moon) in the month of māgha (January/February)" Thapan (op. cit., p. 215).
IMO the article should be named Ganesha Festival as it discusses the whole festival rather than the day of Ganesh Chaturthi only, which is the benning of the festival. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redtigerxyz ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This festival is observed in the lunar month of bhadrapada shukla paksha chathurthi madhyahana vyapini purvaviddha. If Chaturthi prevails on both days, the first day should be observed. Even if chaturthi prevails for complete duration of madhyahana on the second day, but if it prevails on previous day's madhyahana period even for one ghatika (24 minutes) the previous day should be observed
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This doesn't make sense to an English native speaker or non-Hindi speaker. Hindi should be in brackets with the English word in the text. Also, the grammar needs tidying up because at the moment the above makes absolutely no sense.
LGANESH FESTIVAL THERE HUSTLE &BUSTLE DURING GANESH UTSAV AS THE PEOPLE OF ANY LOCALITY ARRANGE DJ'S BEFORE VISARJAN. THE PEOPLE DANCCE DRUMS DJ'S LOUDSPEAKER THE GANPATI CRIES SEEING THE POOR CONDITION OF HIS CHILDREN THIS IS TRUE JUST SEE IN THE EYES OF LORD DURING VISARJAN.
MY THOUGHT SAYS THAT
WHAT WE DO DURING THIS FESTIVAL WE MUST GIVE THIS MONEY TO THE EDUCATION OF HIS SMALL BLESSINGS (KIDS) AND FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THERE LIFE WE MUST DONATE THAN YOU MUST SEE THE BEAUTIFUL SMILE OF LORD
-PREETY SHARMA —Preceding
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115.240.132.51 (
talk) 16:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Since the Holiday Template is the most applicable template for this article and as does not fall of a simple Gregorian calender date, the article definitely needs a date section.
removed the following that might find place in the date sections as an example: "For the year 2007 in the Western Calendar, Ganesha Chaturthi commenced on Saturday, 15 September and its allied festival for Ganesha's mother, Gauri (a form of Parvathi) called Gauri Puja comes on September 13 (the day before) [2]." Myaoon ( talk) 23:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
The History section is repeatedly been renamed as "Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak's Revival efforts". The problem is that the section has also info unrelated to Tilak and pre-dating him. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
It has been changed again, maybe it should have that as a subtitle inside that section PeterBennettfriedpies ( talk) 15:43, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
The entire "In India" subsection of the Celebration, rituals and tradition section is unreferenced. This will prevent the article from being listed on the Main Page this year. Since there are over six weeks to go, hopefully this should be enough time for editors to rectify the problem. Thanks. — howcheng { chat} 16:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
The following external link was in the 'See also' section — it belongs in the 'External links' section (or perhaps it doesn't belong at all):
~E: 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 05:11, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Please specify in which countries this date for Ganesh Chaturthi applies. In Trinidada and Tobago the date is September 8, 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.213.210.104 ( talk) 13:05, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Some of the text is appearing small. What can be done? -- Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 06:25, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Some of the content was removed/repeated in the Ganesh festival article, which was a redirect. Please discuss any proposal to split here first. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 11:02, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I’ve tagged the Date section to be clarified, as it makes little sense at the moment.
What is madhyahana? If Chaturthi is the 4th day of the month, how can it fall on two days?
And what is bhadrapada shukla paksha chathurthi madhyahana vyapini purvaviddha? what language is it, even? Does it say anything more than the first sentence of the paragraph?
Would someone care to explain?
Moonraker12 (
talk) 16:56, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I feel that separate article would be pertinent as these are two different things. People form India can throw more light on it. Thanks. -- Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 05:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
http://www.panditjiusa.com/ganesh_festival.htm
http://www.surajinfo.com/Ganesha/Default1.asp
http://www.transliteral.org/pages/z70731131809/view
http://www.surajinfo.com/Ganesha/Default1.asp -- Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 05:09, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Ganesha is the name, not Ganesh.
can someone please change it? — Preceding
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207.68.250.79 (
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Last week, I observed that Ganesh festival and Ganesh Chaturthi are written as same article. and Ganesh festival is been redirected to Genesh Chaturthi.
Pls. note that Ganesh festival and Ganesh Chaturthi are seperate things. Ganesh Charturthi is the single day which comes on the 4th day of Bhadrapada month as per Hindu calendar which is been celebrated as Ganesh sthapana in India. This is an improtant day where the pooja is performed at home. The prasad of Modak is offered to Ganesha on that day.
Ganesh festival is festival which lasts for 10/11 days. The festival starts on Ganesh Charturthi and ends on Anant Chaturdashi. This festival is widely celebrated in India and some parts outside India as well. Some poeple celebrate Ganesh festival for 2, 5, 7 or 10 days depending upon the rituals and the area they are staying. There are many programs which are planned and celebrated during Ganesh festival. On the last day i.e. on Anant Chaturdashi, Ganesh idol are immersed in the sea or nearby lakes and rivers. There is a big celebration on that day where there is long q for performing this.
Looking at this background, we must have two seperate articles. If any body has any issue, pls. let me know. You may help me in improving the content in both the articles. Thanks Coolgama ( talk) 11:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Redtiger , I agree with coolgama that there should be two separate articles. One should be on the domestic / private celebrations and the other on the Public celebrations (Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav) introduced by Lokmanya Tilak in 1890s. Jonathansammy ( talk) 16:37, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I am sorry but this confusion has happened due to less attention paid by people on this topic earlier. India had a rich festival culture and has many important days in Hindu calendar. Let me try to elaborate more.
Ganesh festival is festival which lasts for 11 days. It starts on Ganesh Chaturthi and ends with Anant Chaturdashi. The various days in that are as follows:
Bhadrapad Shuddha Chaturthi (4)- Ganesh Chaturthi (Ganesh welcome) Bhadrapad Shuddha Panchami (5)- Rishi Panchami Bhadrapad Shuddha Shashthi (6)- Gauri Aavahan (Gauri welcome) Bhadrapad Shuddha Saptami (7)- Gauri Poojan (Gauri Pooja and lunch) Bhadrapad Shuddha Ashtami (8)- Gauri Gaman (Gauri sending back) Bhadrapad Shuddha Chaturdashi (14)- Anant Chaturdashi - Ganesh immersed in the sea (Ganesha going back)
There are 2 parts of this. Celebration at home (domestic / private) and celebration in public. Let me talk more about HOME CELEBRATION (domestic / private) first.
In most parts of India the above specific days 5,6,7 & 8 are celebrated as a part of Ganesh festival and some places separate. Ganesh idol is there at home and still these 4 days are celebrated. There are different cultures and traditions which are followed at home. Some keep Ganesha at home for 1& half day, some keep 3 days, some keep 5 days, some immerse along with Gauri (5 or 6 days depending on actual tithi), some keep 7 days and rest all keeps till 11 days and immerse on Anant Chaturdashi. During those days, daily pooja in the morning and evening is performed in the presence of all family members and Prasad is distributed. The first day “Ganesh Chaturthi” and the last day “Anant Chaturdashi” are the most important days of Ganesh festival. On Ganesh Chaturthi, there is pooja called Pratishthapana is performed in the home which lasts more than 2 hours and been done against the narration of Poojari (priest)
Now let me talk about PUBLIC CELEBRATION for Ganesh festival.
Ganesh festival in Public celebration form (Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav) introduced by Lokmanya Tilak in 1890s. This was primarily done to gather people at the common place and get attention of people during British Raj. In Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav, apart from domestic / private Ganesh idol, another (additional) idol is been brought and kept in the public place (specially erected temporary structures mandapas (pandals) in every locality) and Pratishthapana is performed on Ganesh Chaturthi. There is big gathering of people and they make a chain which is called Miravnook to bring Ganesh till pandal on Ganesh Chaturthi. During that time, the various lectures of known personalities, cultural programs, dance festivals are arranged in every locality). On the last day i.e. on Anant Chaturdashi, there is another Miravnook from Pandol till river / sea to immerse Ganesh idol. The Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav was continued even after India got independence and it has taken a big shape during last 110 years. It also drives a major economy in India and we should talk more on that.
Pls. note that every day in Hindu calendar has got immense importance and some rituals are attached to it. We just need to understand and add rightly in the Wikipedia articles. I suggest, we should have below articles on English Wikipedia and we have enough references currently available (since Ganesh festival is currently going on)- 1. Ganesh Chaturthi 2. Anant Chaturdashi 3. Ganesh festival (domestic / private) 4. Ganesh festival (public) - Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav
I request everybody to contribute in making these articles as we need to give right and authentic information to the world as far as Hindu days/ festivals. Appreciate your support in this.
Coolgama ( talk) 05:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Most books cover the Ganesh festival under Ganesha Chaturthi article and do not have two separate articles.
Redtigerxyz Talk 15:29, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
But, I had to do it, on : the infobox of the article.
Now the (category link) problem's solved: not a red one. Other categories, I've copied here one of them:
It was at not hidden categories, now it's at hidden ones: Category:Holidays and observances by duration (1 or 2 weeks)
When I faced this subject, my help was its father category: Holidays and observances by duration -- PLA y Grande Covián ( talk) 18:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I am unable to add a Youtube Video " https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=1865nzfTI3k" to the article. How to do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arka.Islam ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Could the editor who inserted these tags put their comments/suggestions-for-improvement? A tag without any explanation is hard to address and may be purged after a couple of week in lack of response. -- AmritasyaPutra T 05:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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talk) 11:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)I see the name was changed today. For an important subject such as this, the editor should have had the courtesy to discuss it first on the talk page. My quick search on Google scholar showed 72 references using the term Ganesha and more than 500 using the term Ganesh. Given this information I hope editor Anthony_Appleyard self \-reverts. Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 15:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
"Ganesh(/a) Chaturthi
. Ganesha Chaturthi has 1,150, while Ganesh does have 3580 results, and yes Google Scholar returns 72 results to 552 results. Not much basis for a "common name" argument since the amounts are small (though still plausible); but with a redirect in place, I still personally feel internal consistency is an important aspect of articles with contested spellings of names, events, et cetera, especially when the article on
Ganesha spells his name with an "a" and the opening sentence spells the event with an "a". That said though
Jonathansammy, I won't oppose any move-revert if it is that important. Cheers,
Drcrazy102 (
talk) 02:53, 26 September 2015 (UTC)Thank you Drcrazy for your understanding. Your message, however, leads to the broader question as to what is the acceptable spelling for Indian names. In Maharashtra, Ganesh or Shankar are spellings used for these two Gods but in the South and other places the extra "a" may be added. I would recommend waiting for a few more days to get more comments on the topic. Then we can take appropriate action based on consensus. Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 17:46, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
The Eco-friendly murtis article is not really notable, in and of itself but would be a good addition to this article (Ganesh Chaturthi) in my own opinion. Should we merge it? Cheers, Drcrazy102 ( talk) 01:40, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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As I see there is only 1 article on Ganesh festival whereas I agree to Coolgama that there are different days of celebration and there is festival of 11 days. Please find the link attached for importance of each day.....
I think, English Wikipedia has sadly mistaken on this and need to correct this on priority. The experts on Wikipedia may show the references of book and encyclopedia. But we should also honor what is mentioned in the Hindu calendar, Hindu Panchang and Hindu Mythology. We should also respect what 125 Crores of Indians follow. We should not get dragged just on the references. We should respect to the views of Indian people also.
In short, we need to have separate article of all the above days. Yogee23 ( talk) 09:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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Oppose at the moment. The current article is a poorly sourced, poorly written, and poorly organized mess. Creating upto 11 more stubby or bloated articles is not the way to go. Instead I'd suggest that the current article be cleaned up and reliably sourced information be added about the rituals and celebrations for the individual days of the festival. If at some point there is more sourced and encyclopedic content than can be covered in a single article then a page split can be considered. We are far from that. Also note that none of the websites listed in the RFC above would qualify as reliable sources. Abecedare ( talk) 14:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Oppose at the moment vide Abecedare. Without disputing the fact that Ganesh Chaturthi celebrations encompass a number of events, I recommend a cleanup and improvement of the mother article. AshLin ( talk) 13:22, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Oppose per Abecedare and AshLin. More important things should be dealt with first Aparslet ( talk) 10:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Oppose for now I agree that when the article gets big enough is when we should split it. For now, having a section in this article for each of the days would be enough. Louieoddie ( talk) 07:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Start small and expand only when references are found Several of these festival days don't have a redirect to the main Ganesh festival article. Creating these redirects and making sure that each day's celebration is named and described briefly in the main article would be a start. Individual articles can then be started as drafts (or moved to draft if they exist with no reliable sources); each would be moved to mainspace to replace the redirect only when sufficient reliable sources are found. If 125 Crores of Indians find this festival important, there are sure to be writers among them who have written reports in published newspapers, magazines or books about the activities on each day of the festival; the references don't have to be in English.— Anne Delong ( talk) 01:46, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
The section titled origins [ [6]] seems to be on origins of Ganesh, the deity rather than the festival.Is this content necessary in this article? Should it be moved to the article on Ganesha. Please comment.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 16:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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Is there a historical connection between these two festivals? Which of the two preceded the other ? Were nationalist leaders like Tilak at all involved in shaping the public Durga festival ? According to Xenia Zeiler, the public Durga festival in its current form started in 1911 which is well after the 1890s origin of public Ganeshotsav in Maharashtra. [1].It would be good to find out if there are other sources talking about direct link.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 15:16, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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@ RegentsPark: Greetings! Regarding this revert, no, that link wasn't a mistake. The 1994 plague in India apparently experienced a superspreading event at a Ganesh Chaturthi festival in Surat. -- Beland ( talk) 21:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)t
I wish someone would add a paragraph on the date of the festival, or how the date can be predicted on the occidental calendar. Sussmanbern ( talk) 16:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
This page is confusing and hard to understand. 161.8.195.186 ( talk) 03:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
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Despite the well meaning idea behind this festival, in modern times it has led to increasing religious tensions between the hardcore Hindus and Muslims. The increasing number of fundamental hindus out to stir trouble try to pass along the routes inhabited by other religious groups thereby inciting violence (on the lines of the Orange Order marches). Environmentalists too have questioned the dumping of the idols made increasingly with chemicals which pollute the lakes and seas. On September 2004, the Chennai High Court imposed a temporary ban on such immersions. Every year there are atleast a couple of casualties associated with accidents (while dumping the idols) or clashes associated with this.
It would be helpful if the author of this particular section would provide some references. This seems to be a rather generalised view based on a few random incidents.
Rohitbd 15:32, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
Changed the "Problems" section and added information about non-Hindus' involvement in Ganesh Chaturthi along with reference for the same.
Rohitbd 15:58, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
The section tittled "Problems" is too specific for an encylopedia article and is based on isolated incidents. Removal this section is suggested.
Geeteshgadkari ( talk) 13:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Namaste! I notice that the Ganesh Chaturthi page contains some general background that is duplicative of general material found on the Ganesha page. It may be easier to do maintenance if this duplicate content were simplified, with the general material about Ganeshji found on his main page, and concentrating on information about the festival on the Ganesh Chaturthi page. Do others agree with this idea, or are these other points of view? ॐ गं गणपतये नमः Buddhipriya 05:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
As a matter of interest there are about 91 different figures of Ganesha according to research done by several scholars. The details of their make up may vary from figure to figure, but with no change in the main set-up. It is the enigma of certain striking variations in details that the sublime in the figures of Ganesha has to be sought for. Some figures are seen sitting with their trunks turned towards the left side, invariably reaching a bowl of modaks (a sweet edible and festive preparation), while in some figures, the trunks are seen turning towards the right and in yet others, the trunk is straight, hanging down, with or without a pot of nectar in the curve of their trunks. In some images, Ganesha is seen standing, resting his right foot on a lion and his left foot on a mouse (his chosen mode of transport), while in some other images, his left foot is found resting on a mouse and his right foot lifted in an effort to touch the serpent girdle - his mount carrying a jewel in its mouth.
this page may need a rollback to correct vandalism but i don't know how to do it. can someone help? Buddhipriya 06:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I did the merge with Ganesh Festival. The Ganesh{|a} merge had already been done. 59.92.194.4 14:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Another major component that this entry is missing is some discussion of the extent to which the public performance of Ganesh Chaturthi is associtated with and often underwritten by the Hindu right. This is true not only in Maharashtra, where in Mumbai the event always features extensive Shiv Sena presence and is often marred by outbreaks of Hindu-Muslim violence; but in other places where this has become a major public event as well. One example would be Hyderabad, where the event has featured several incidents over the years.
I would not say that this should be the formost emphasis, but to leave it out entirely is irresponsible.
Finally, I think the ToI article that has been included gives readers an excellent description of what the festival actually looks like and the reasoning behind various pujas. However, the heading 'Rooted in Tradition' is completely misleading, since as the article makes clear we are dicussing a festival that began in its current form in the 19th century. Ganesh Chathurthi is one of the most important and visible examples of modern Hinduism, and to imply that it is 'traditional' does a disservice to the creativity (and mischief) of Tilak and other people who brough the festival to prominence in the modern era.
Ganesh Chaturti is the right name. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:15, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
The festival is of the Hindus. It is not associated with any political party. The names can be merged into one entry - Ganesh Chaturthi. This is how it is referred to in Maharashtra. This festival occurs on the fourth day (chaturthi)of the Hindu calendar. Ganesh Chaturthi occurs around August. In these public celebrations huge images of Ganesha ranging from 10 feet to 40 feet are installed and along with the daily prayers and hymns, there are entertainment programmes which are a major attraction. Till the turn of the last century, this festival was celebrated only in homes and temples. But during the struggle for independence against British rule, freedom fighter Lokmanya Tilak made it a public festival. Tilak did this so as to cleverly broadcast his political message of freedom for India. Carried out in the garb of a religious activity, it was difficult for the British Administration to curb it. But the festival once having acquired a public form for a political purpose, retained that form even after the political purpose ceased to exist. Hence even today in independent India Ganeshotsava is celebrated both publicly and privately.
a show of strenght?! who the hell wrote that?
I am moving this comment from the main page to here (where it belongs!):
Can some editor address this issue in the article, if needed ? (sorry, I haven't read the complete article myself yet) Abecedare 07:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
[regarding Gaṇapati festivals when special pūjā is performed:] "These are the Vināyaka caturthī in the śuklapakṣa (the fourth day of the waxing moon) in the month of bhādrapada (August/September) and the Gaṇeśa jayanti (Gaṇeśa's birthday) celebrated on the cathurthī of the kṛṣṇapakṣa (fourth day of the waning moon) in the month of māgha (January/February)" Thapan (op. cit., p. 215).
IMO the article should be named Ganesha Festival as it discusses the whole festival rather than the day of Ganesh Chaturthi only, which is the benning of the festival. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redtigerxyz ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
This festival is observed in the lunar month of bhadrapada shukla paksha chathurthi madhyahana vyapini purvaviddha. If Chaturthi prevails on both days, the first day should be observed. Even if chaturthi prevails for complete duration of madhyahana on the second day, but if it prevails on previous day's madhyahana period even for one ghatika (24 minutes) the previous day should be observed
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This doesn't make sense to an English native speaker or non-Hindi speaker. Hindi should be in brackets with the English word in the text. Also, the grammar needs tidying up because at the moment the above makes absolutely no sense.
LGANESH FESTIVAL THERE HUSTLE &BUSTLE DURING GANESH UTSAV AS THE PEOPLE OF ANY LOCALITY ARRANGE DJ'S BEFORE VISARJAN. THE PEOPLE DANCCE DRUMS DJ'S LOUDSPEAKER THE GANPATI CRIES SEEING THE POOR CONDITION OF HIS CHILDREN THIS IS TRUE JUST SEE IN THE EYES OF LORD DURING VISARJAN.
MY THOUGHT SAYS THAT
WHAT WE DO DURING THIS FESTIVAL WE MUST GIVE THIS MONEY TO THE EDUCATION OF HIS SMALL BLESSINGS (KIDS) AND FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THERE LIFE WE MUST DONATE THAN YOU MUST SEE THE BEAUTIFUL SMILE OF LORD
-PREETY SHARMA —Preceding
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115.240.132.51 (
talk) 16:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Since the Holiday Template is the most applicable template for this article and as does not fall of a simple Gregorian calender date, the article definitely needs a date section.
removed the following that might find place in the date sections as an example: "For the year 2007 in the Western Calendar, Ganesha Chaturthi commenced on Saturday, 15 September and its allied festival for Ganesha's mother, Gauri (a form of Parvathi) called Gauri Puja comes on September 13 (the day before) [2]." Myaoon ( talk) 23:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
The History section is repeatedly been renamed as "Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak's Revival efforts". The problem is that the section has also info unrelated to Tilak and pre-dating him. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
It has been changed again, maybe it should have that as a subtitle inside that section PeterBennettfriedpies ( talk) 15:43, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
The entire "In India" subsection of the Celebration, rituals and tradition section is unreferenced. This will prevent the article from being listed on the Main Page this year. Since there are over six weeks to go, hopefully this should be enough time for editors to rectify the problem. Thanks. — howcheng { chat} 16:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
The following external link was in the 'See also' section — it belongs in the 'External links' section (or perhaps it doesn't belong at all):
~E: 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 05:11, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Please specify in which countries this date for Ganesh Chaturthi applies. In Trinidada and Tobago the date is September 8, 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.213.210.104 ( talk) 13:05, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Some of the text is appearing small. What can be done? -- Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 06:25, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Some of the content was removed/repeated in the Ganesh festival article, which was a redirect. Please discuss any proposal to split here first. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 11:02, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I’ve tagged the Date section to be clarified, as it makes little sense at the moment.
What is madhyahana? If Chaturthi is the 4th day of the month, how can it fall on two days?
And what is bhadrapada shukla paksha chathurthi madhyahana vyapini purvaviddha? what language is it, even? Does it say anything more than the first sentence of the paragraph?
Would someone care to explain?
Moonraker12 (
talk) 16:56, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I feel that separate article would be pertinent as these are two different things. People form India can throw more light on it. Thanks. -- Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 05:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
http://www.panditjiusa.com/ganesh_festival.htm
http://www.surajinfo.com/Ganesha/Default1.asp
http://www.transliteral.org/pages/z70731131809/view
http://www.surajinfo.com/Ganesha/Default1.asp -- Abhijeet Safai ( talk) 05:09, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Ganesha is the name, not Ganesh.
can someone please change it? — Preceding
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Last week, I observed that Ganesh festival and Ganesh Chaturthi are written as same article. and Ganesh festival is been redirected to Genesh Chaturthi.
Pls. note that Ganesh festival and Ganesh Chaturthi are seperate things. Ganesh Charturthi is the single day which comes on the 4th day of Bhadrapada month as per Hindu calendar which is been celebrated as Ganesh sthapana in India. This is an improtant day where the pooja is performed at home. The prasad of Modak is offered to Ganesha on that day.
Ganesh festival is festival which lasts for 10/11 days. The festival starts on Ganesh Charturthi and ends on Anant Chaturdashi. This festival is widely celebrated in India and some parts outside India as well. Some poeple celebrate Ganesh festival for 2, 5, 7 or 10 days depending upon the rituals and the area they are staying. There are many programs which are planned and celebrated during Ganesh festival. On the last day i.e. on Anant Chaturdashi, Ganesh idol are immersed in the sea or nearby lakes and rivers. There is a big celebration on that day where there is long q for performing this.
Looking at this background, we must have two seperate articles. If any body has any issue, pls. let me know. You may help me in improving the content in both the articles. Thanks Coolgama ( talk) 11:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Redtiger , I agree with coolgama that there should be two separate articles. One should be on the domestic / private celebrations and the other on the Public celebrations (Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav) introduced by Lokmanya Tilak in 1890s. Jonathansammy ( talk) 16:37, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I am sorry but this confusion has happened due to less attention paid by people on this topic earlier. India had a rich festival culture and has many important days in Hindu calendar. Let me try to elaborate more.
Ganesh festival is festival which lasts for 11 days. It starts on Ganesh Chaturthi and ends with Anant Chaturdashi. The various days in that are as follows:
Bhadrapad Shuddha Chaturthi (4)- Ganesh Chaturthi (Ganesh welcome) Bhadrapad Shuddha Panchami (5)- Rishi Panchami Bhadrapad Shuddha Shashthi (6)- Gauri Aavahan (Gauri welcome) Bhadrapad Shuddha Saptami (7)- Gauri Poojan (Gauri Pooja and lunch) Bhadrapad Shuddha Ashtami (8)- Gauri Gaman (Gauri sending back) Bhadrapad Shuddha Chaturdashi (14)- Anant Chaturdashi - Ganesh immersed in the sea (Ganesha going back)
There are 2 parts of this. Celebration at home (domestic / private) and celebration in public. Let me talk more about HOME CELEBRATION (domestic / private) first.
In most parts of India the above specific days 5,6,7 & 8 are celebrated as a part of Ganesh festival and some places separate. Ganesh idol is there at home and still these 4 days are celebrated. There are different cultures and traditions which are followed at home. Some keep Ganesha at home for 1& half day, some keep 3 days, some keep 5 days, some immerse along with Gauri (5 or 6 days depending on actual tithi), some keep 7 days and rest all keeps till 11 days and immerse on Anant Chaturdashi. During those days, daily pooja in the morning and evening is performed in the presence of all family members and Prasad is distributed. The first day “Ganesh Chaturthi” and the last day “Anant Chaturdashi” are the most important days of Ganesh festival. On Ganesh Chaturthi, there is pooja called Pratishthapana is performed in the home which lasts more than 2 hours and been done against the narration of Poojari (priest)
Now let me talk about PUBLIC CELEBRATION for Ganesh festival.
Ganesh festival in Public celebration form (Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav) introduced by Lokmanya Tilak in 1890s. This was primarily done to gather people at the common place and get attention of people during British Raj. In Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav, apart from domestic / private Ganesh idol, another (additional) idol is been brought and kept in the public place (specially erected temporary structures mandapas (pandals) in every locality) and Pratishthapana is performed on Ganesh Chaturthi. There is big gathering of people and they make a chain which is called Miravnook to bring Ganesh till pandal on Ganesh Chaturthi. During that time, the various lectures of known personalities, cultural programs, dance festivals are arranged in every locality). On the last day i.e. on Anant Chaturdashi, there is another Miravnook from Pandol till river / sea to immerse Ganesh idol. The Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav was continued even after India got independence and it has taken a big shape during last 110 years. It also drives a major economy in India and we should talk more on that.
Pls. note that every day in Hindu calendar has got immense importance and some rituals are attached to it. We just need to understand and add rightly in the Wikipedia articles. I suggest, we should have below articles on English Wikipedia and we have enough references currently available (since Ganesh festival is currently going on)- 1. Ganesh Chaturthi 2. Anant Chaturdashi 3. Ganesh festival (domestic / private) 4. Ganesh festival (public) - Sarvajanik Ganeshotsav
I request everybody to contribute in making these articles as we need to give right and authentic information to the world as far as Hindu days/ festivals. Appreciate your support in this.
Coolgama ( talk) 05:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Most books cover the Ganesh festival under Ganesha Chaturthi article and do not have two separate articles.
Redtigerxyz Talk 15:29, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
But, I had to do it, on : the infobox of the article.
Now the (category link) problem's solved: not a red one. Other categories, I've copied here one of them:
It was at not hidden categories, now it's at hidden ones: Category:Holidays and observances by duration (1 or 2 weeks)
When I faced this subject, my help was its father category: Holidays and observances by duration -- PLA y Grande Covián ( talk) 18:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I am unable to add a Youtube Video " https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=1865nzfTI3k" to the article. How to do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arka.Islam ( talk • contribs) 16:12, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Could the editor who inserted these tags put their comments/suggestions-for-improvement? A tag without any explanation is hard to address and may be purged after a couple of week in lack of response. -- AmritasyaPutra T 05:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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Drcrazy102 (
talk) 11:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)I see the name was changed today. For an important subject such as this, the editor should have had the courtesy to discuss it first on the talk page. My quick search on Google scholar showed 72 references using the term Ganesha and more than 500 using the term Ganesh. Given this information I hope editor Anthony_Appleyard self \-reverts. Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 15:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
"Ganesh(/a) Chaturthi
. Ganesha Chaturthi has 1,150, while Ganesh does have 3580 results, and yes Google Scholar returns 72 results to 552 results. Not much basis for a "common name" argument since the amounts are small (though still plausible); but with a redirect in place, I still personally feel internal consistency is an important aspect of articles with contested spellings of names, events, et cetera, especially when the article on
Ganesha spells his name with an "a" and the opening sentence spells the event with an "a". That said though
Jonathansammy, I won't oppose any move-revert if it is that important. Cheers,
Drcrazy102 (
talk) 02:53, 26 September 2015 (UTC)Thank you Drcrazy for your understanding. Your message, however, leads to the broader question as to what is the acceptable spelling for Indian names. In Maharashtra, Ganesh or Shankar are spellings used for these two Gods but in the South and other places the extra "a" may be added. I would recommend waiting for a few more days to get more comments on the topic. Then we can take appropriate action based on consensus. Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 17:46, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
The Eco-friendly murtis article is not really notable, in and of itself but would be a good addition to this article (Ganesh Chaturthi) in my own opinion. Should we merge it? Cheers, Drcrazy102 ( talk) 01:40, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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As I see there is only 1 article on Ganesh festival whereas I agree to Coolgama that there are different days of celebration and there is festival of 11 days. Please find the link attached for importance of each day.....
I think, English Wikipedia has sadly mistaken on this and need to correct this on priority. The experts on Wikipedia may show the references of book and encyclopedia. But we should also honor what is mentioned in the Hindu calendar, Hindu Panchang and Hindu Mythology. We should also respect what 125 Crores of Indians follow. We should not get dragged just on the references. We should respect to the views of Indian people also.
In short, we need to have separate article of all the above days. Yogee23 ( talk) 09:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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Oppose at the moment. The current article is a poorly sourced, poorly written, and poorly organized mess. Creating upto 11 more stubby or bloated articles is not the way to go. Instead I'd suggest that the current article be cleaned up and reliably sourced information be added about the rituals and celebrations for the individual days of the festival. If at some point there is more sourced and encyclopedic content than can be covered in a single article then a page split can be considered. We are far from that. Also note that none of the websites listed in the RFC above would qualify as reliable sources. Abecedare ( talk) 14:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Oppose at the moment vide Abecedare. Without disputing the fact that Ganesh Chaturthi celebrations encompass a number of events, I recommend a cleanup and improvement of the mother article. AshLin ( talk) 13:22, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Oppose per Abecedare and AshLin. More important things should be dealt with first Aparslet ( talk) 10:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Oppose for now I agree that when the article gets big enough is when we should split it. For now, having a section in this article for each of the days would be enough. Louieoddie ( talk) 07:29, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Start small and expand only when references are found Several of these festival days don't have a redirect to the main Ganesh festival article. Creating these redirects and making sure that each day's celebration is named and described briefly in the main article would be a start. Individual articles can then be started as drafts (or moved to draft if they exist with no reliable sources); each would be moved to mainspace to replace the redirect only when sufficient reliable sources are found. If 125 Crores of Indians find this festival important, there are sure to be writers among them who have written reports in published newspapers, magazines or books about the activities on each day of the festival; the references don't have to be in English.— Anne Delong ( talk) 01:46, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
The section titled origins [ [6]] seems to be on origins of Ganesh, the deity rather than the festival.Is this content necessary in this article? Should it be moved to the article on Ganesha. Please comment.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 16:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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Is there a historical connection between these two festivals? Which of the two preceded the other ? Were nationalist leaders like Tilak at all involved in shaping the public Durga festival ? According to Xenia Zeiler, the public Durga festival in its current form started in 1911 which is well after the 1890s origin of public Ganeshotsav in Maharashtra. [1].It would be good to find out if there are other sources talking about direct link.Thanks. Jonathansammy ( talk) 15:16, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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@ RegentsPark: Greetings! Regarding this revert, no, that link wasn't a mistake. The 1994 plague in India apparently experienced a superspreading event at a Ganesh Chaturthi festival in Surat. -- Beland ( talk) 21:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)t
I wish someone would add a paragraph on the date of the festival, or how the date can be predicted on the occidental calendar. Sussmanbern ( talk) 16:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
This page is confusing and hard to understand. 161.8.195.186 ( talk) 03:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC)