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I changed two spellings: the variant fravahr to the more common alternate fravashi and sepanta mainyu to spenta mainyu. I'll expand this whole article later. Khirad 15:04, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Please explain that to me how come the Zoroasterian symbol could be found in Daruis (I) relief? Isn't that right the Daruis lived about 500 years before Zaroast? -- the previously unsigned comment was from Poosad 11:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
my point was about avestan script not avesta itself, and sassanid used Phlavi script and avestan used before ashkanid (If you want I can name some books from sassanid in Pahlavi script) by the way if we agree that Zartosht lived in 1000BC that means he lived bfore Achaemenid Empire, that on that time Elamit and Mads dynesties were rulling Iran (Persia). There was no exact script on that time and people used drawing instead of writing ( as you can find it now in Pasargad right next to the cuneiform script that Cyrus made it). if Zartosht existed in the Achaemenid age, the kings were Zoroasterian and even the national religion, however there was in the Sassanid age that for the first time king reported a national religion that was Zoroasterian (as you can find it in Shahnameh Ferdosi and even find out about Ashkanid,...) So Zartosht lived in Ashkanid age.( and you know that Ashakid dynesty were not Persian, and they were Partian) Nee 17:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Faravahar is in Pahlavi and Faravashi is in Avestan and it's NEVER called Frohar or Frouhar... even in modern Persian (Farsi) for some one who knows Persian I suggest to take a look at http://www.bonyad-neyshaboor.com/ and find some REAL and TRUE refferences and reports. Nee 22:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Dehkhoda's dictionary mentions Foruhar and relates a quote from the 358 year old Burhan Qati' Persian dictionary. [
[3]]. Per Iranica: Middle Persian frāwahr (prʾwhr). So I added both. The Burhan Qati' gives it meaning as "معنی جوهر که در مقابل عرض باشد" meaning: "It means the Jawhar/Johar (Gohar) (source, Jewel, Basis, Spirit..) as opposed to the body." It might also be in Farhang Jahangiri. There has been a lot of intrepretation about this word but it would be interesting to see if scholars have considered the meaning from the Burhan. The dictionary might have used Dasatir words. --
Nepaheshgar (
talk) 03:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
the faravahor symbol is more than just a zoroastrian religious symbol. this should be mentioned in the article. imagine a tourist that visits iran and sees faravahar gold necklaces and jewlery in all shops and sees the faravahar symbol in all gift shops at bazaars and airports. wouldn't he want to know why this symbol is so widely used everywhere in iran? because currently 99% of iranians are not zoroastrians. my point is this article has totally neglected what the faravahar symbol represent in present-day iran. to put it briefly: for most iranian people in present day iran, faravahar is a symbol of ancient persia and it represents their rich history. this needs to be explained clearly in the article. 86.212.104.214 ( talk) 17:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
how to say the word. knowing kurdish as well as persian and arabic. i am geussing it must be pronounced
fara v(w)ahar. meaning many springs or beyond spring.perhaps it has to do with the preaching and what it leads us. think about it. fara ( many or beyond) vahar, wahar or bahar (spring)or better commings. —Preceding
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I get exactly six Ghits on Farekiani, and one of them is us. The only Gbook hit I get is us. I don't see this move going forward without a lot more documentation. Mangoe ( talk) 17:53, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Mangoe: Because the title Faravahar is wrongly well known as I told in article. Alborzagros ( talk) 08:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
This was moved again. This is a highly questionable move. Where is the discussion? Where are the documents? How can we revert this back to Faravahar for now? Shambaww ( talk) 22:02, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Most importantly, where is the internal discussion? The lack of sources and documentation is a large issue in itself, but why wasn't it discussed? NATO.Caliber ( talk) 01:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
"The Faravahar is the most worn pendant among Iranians and has become a secular national symbol, rather than a religious symbol. It symbolizes Good thoughts (پندار نیک pendār-e nik), Good words (گفتار نیک goftār-e nik) and Good deeds (کردار نیک kerdār-e nik), which are the basic tenets and principles of Zoroastrianism."
Is this some Yazdi Persian dialect? Never heard of the words "nik" and "kerdār" (which is "kardan" in formal Persian). -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 15:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Almost all the content of this article could be deleted as unsourced content - and, since it is also badly written, maybe it should be, leaving the article as a stub for future development. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.123.223 ( talk) 00:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
It’s Classical Persian as mentioned in Steingass’ Classical Persian dictionary. The reconstructed Old Persian form is already mentioned in the etymology section as *fravarti. And thirdly this article originally listed the pronunciation as Classical but an editor inexplicably changed it (vandalized?) to Old Persian sometime ago. Foreverknowledge ( talk) 17:13, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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Is there any evidence for this or people are just going by things that look similar. If there is scholarly work on this please let me know, otherwise i'm happy to get rid of the speculation 2406:3400:313:B310:3DA5:5DD1:1DD8:636A ( talk) 03:59, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Is the Faravahar the same thing as the Sogdian farr or halo? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 15:54, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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I changed two spellings: the variant fravahr to the more common alternate fravashi and sepanta mainyu to spenta mainyu. I'll expand this whole article later. Khirad 15:04, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Please explain that to me how come the Zoroasterian symbol could be found in Daruis (I) relief? Isn't that right the Daruis lived about 500 years before Zaroast? -- the previously unsigned comment was from Poosad 11:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
my point was about avestan script not avesta itself, and sassanid used Phlavi script and avestan used before ashkanid (If you want I can name some books from sassanid in Pahlavi script) by the way if we agree that Zartosht lived in 1000BC that means he lived bfore Achaemenid Empire, that on that time Elamit and Mads dynesties were rulling Iran (Persia). There was no exact script on that time and people used drawing instead of writing ( as you can find it now in Pasargad right next to the cuneiform script that Cyrus made it). if Zartosht existed in the Achaemenid age, the kings were Zoroasterian and even the national religion, however there was in the Sassanid age that for the first time king reported a national religion that was Zoroasterian (as you can find it in Shahnameh Ferdosi and even find out about Ashkanid,...) So Zartosht lived in Ashkanid age.( and you know that Ashakid dynesty were not Persian, and they were Partian) Nee 17:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Faravahar is in Pahlavi and Faravashi is in Avestan and it's NEVER called Frohar or Frouhar... even in modern Persian (Farsi) for some one who knows Persian I suggest to take a look at http://www.bonyad-neyshaboor.com/ and find some REAL and TRUE refferences and reports. Nee 22:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Dehkhoda's dictionary mentions Foruhar and relates a quote from the 358 year old Burhan Qati' Persian dictionary. [
[3]]. Per Iranica: Middle Persian frāwahr (prʾwhr). So I added both. The Burhan Qati' gives it meaning as "معنی جوهر که در مقابل عرض باشد" meaning: "It means the Jawhar/Johar (Gohar) (source, Jewel, Basis, Spirit..) as opposed to the body." It might also be in Farhang Jahangiri. There has been a lot of intrepretation about this word but it would be interesting to see if scholars have considered the meaning from the Burhan. The dictionary might have used Dasatir words. --
Nepaheshgar (
talk) 03:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
the faravahor symbol is more than just a zoroastrian religious symbol. this should be mentioned in the article. imagine a tourist that visits iran and sees faravahar gold necklaces and jewlery in all shops and sees the faravahar symbol in all gift shops at bazaars and airports. wouldn't he want to know why this symbol is so widely used everywhere in iran? because currently 99% of iranians are not zoroastrians. my point is this article has totally neglected what the faravahar symbol represent in present-day iran. to put it briefly: for most iranian people in present day iran, faravahar is a symbol of ancient persia and it represents their rich history. this needs to be explained clearly in the article. 86.212.104.214 ( talk) 17:58, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
how to say the word. knowing kurdish as well as persian and arabic. i am geussing it must be pronounced
fara v(w)ahar. meaning many springs or beyond spring.perhaps it has to do with the preaching and what it leads us. think about it. fara ( many or beyond) vahar, wahar or bahar (spring)or better commings. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
99.226.44.117 (
talk) 03:15, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I get exactly six Ghits on Farekiani, and one of them is us. The only Gbook hit I get is us. I don't see this move going forward without a lot more documentation. Mangoe ( talk) 17:53, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Mangoe: Because the title Faravahar is wrongly well known as I told in article. Alborzagros ( talk) 08:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
This was moved again. This is a highly questionable move. Where is the discussion? Where are the documents? How can we revert this back to Faravahar for now? Shambaww ( talk) 22:02, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Most importantly, where is the internal discussion? The lack of sources and documentation is a large issue in itself, but why wasn't it discussed? NATO.Caliber ( talk) 01:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
"The Faravahar is the most worn pendant among Iranians and has become a secular national symbol, rather than a religious symbol. It symbolizes Good thoughts (پندار نیک pendār-e nik), Good words (گفتار نیک goftār-e nik) and Good deeds (کردار نیک kerdār-e nik), which are the basic tenets and principles of Zoroastrianism."
Is this some Yazdi Persian dialect? Never heard of the words "nik" and "kerdār" (which is "kardan" in formal Persian). -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 15:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Almost all the content of this article could be deleted as unsourced content - and, since it is also badly written, maybe it should be, leaving the article as a stub for future development. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.123.223 ( talk) 00:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
It’s Classical Persian as mentioned in Steingass’ Classical Persian dictionary. The reconstructed Old Persian form is already mentioned in the etymology section as *fravarti. And thirdly this article originally listed the pronunciation as Classical but an editor inexplicably changed it (vandalized?) to Old Persian sometime ago. Foreverknowledge ( talk) 17:13, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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Is there any evidence for this or people are just going by things that look similar. If there is scholarly work on this please let me know, otherwise i'm happy to get rid of the speculation 2406:3400:313:B310:3DA5:5DD1:1DD8:636A ( talk) 03:59, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Is the Faravahar the same thing as the Sogdian farr or halo? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 15:54, 6 August 2023 (UTC)