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Does anyone know Eliza Jane's date of birth? Whoisjohngalt ( talk) 00:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
With regards to the edits over the past day, I think that while Mohammed Al-Bayati's qualifications are tangentially relevant, the purpose of the text as they are placed right now is to "prove" that Mohammed Al-Bayati is not qualified to review the autopsy report. This I think violates NPOV. If the qualifications are to be included they should come under the "criticism and controversy" section, quoted by whoever it is that accused Mohammed Al-Bayati of not being qualified to review the autopsy report is cited. If nobody made the accusations, then this is original synthesis, and should again be removed. Banedon ( talk) 01:21, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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The sentence in question, listing Bayati's qualifications after the mention of his name, appears unnecessary, as the fact that his report was refuted by other sources is mentioned two short paragraphs below. The listing of his qualifications at the point in the article where they are added is simply piling on negativity where none is needed. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 15:42, 29 January 2015 (UTC) |
I disagree. By placing (and questioning) Bayati's credentials so prominently after the mention of his name (whether cited to a source or not), the article implicitly dismisses the validity of the report, making this the voice of Wikipedia making the dismissal, rather than properly attributing dismissal to a particular source (in this case The Los Angeles Times). WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:58, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
This article was also meant to be discussed on Fringe theories/Noticeboard. VandVictory ( talk) 01:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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Should the section on the cause of death of Eliza Jane Scovill include a discussion on Mohammed al-Bayati's qualifications? For details see the discussion above. In particular the proposed alternative is to 1) move the text in the edit above to two paragraphs below where it currently is right now, and 2) phrase it instead as a criticism ("Mohammed Al-Bayati has been criticized as unqualified to perform the autopsy because ...", citing sources like this one. Banedon ( talk) 05:53, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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Does anyone know Eliza Jane's date of birth? Whoisjohngalt ( talk) 00:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
With regards to the edits over the past day, I think that while Mohammed Al-Bayati's qualifications are tangentially relevant, the purpose of the text as they are placed right now is to "prove" that Mohammed Al-Bayati is not qualified to review the autopsy report. This I think violates NPOV. If the qualifications are to be included they should come under the "criticism and controversy" section, quoted by whoever it is that accused Mohammed Al-Bayati of not being qualified to review the autopsy report is cited. If nobody made the accusations, then this is original synthesis, and should again be removed. Banedon ( talk) 01:21, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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The sentence in question, listing Bayati's qualifications after the mention of his name, appears unnecessary, as the fact that his report was refuted by other sources is mentioned two short paragraphs below. The listing of his qualifications at the point in the article where they are added is simply piling on negativity where none is needed. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 15:42, 29 January 2015 (UTC) |
I disagree. By placing (and questioning) Bayati's credentials so prominently after the mention of his name (whether cited to a source or not), the article implicitly dismisses the validity of the report, making this the voice of Wikipedia making the dismissal, rather than properly attributing dismissal to a particular source (in this case The Los Angeles Times). WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:58, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
This article was also meant to be discussed on Fringe theories/Noticeboard. VandVictory ( talk) 01:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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