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This is a heads up to anyone who wants to know. I've been putting it off ever since I started working on this article a week ago, but now that it's up for GA and I've all but exhausted any more serious additions to the article at this time, I am finally going to get around to the matter with the title. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks)#Trademarks that begin with a lowercase letter: Trademarks rendered without any capitals are always capitalized. For this reason, the title will now be rendered to be "Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two.". This of course also applies to the titles of the separate games, novels, and anime adaptation.-- 十 八 06:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
IIRC, he was voiced in the demo. -- HashiriyaGDB 06:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
You sure? Then what's with the part about Kyousuke asking Hiro for one of old paintings? And there was a also a CG where Kei and Chihiro are seen together. BTW, I was playing No Name Losers' translation of the demo.-- HashiriyaGDB 04:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I know what's going on. Kyousuke is voiced only in the HiroxMiya segment of the First Tale. When we're in his point of view during the second acr of the first tale, he's not voiced. -- HashiriyaGDB ( talk) 07:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
It's clear a lot of work has been put into this article, and it shows. My compliments.
Unfortunately, it's, well, a bit too much. Specifically, it's written more like a description from the company site, rather than a neutral, disinterested view, and ends up being a "teaser" without actually giving much information about the game itself. For example:
A few other points that should also be addressed:
I hate to fail an article with so much work put in, but the longest sections need to be rather drastically chopped, researched, and rewritten. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) Ah, you want chapter and verse. OK, per WP:GA? my issues were with
3 It is broad in its coverage. In this respect, it: (a) addresses the major aspects of the topic;[3] and (b) stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary details (see summary style).
It is not, neither a nor b. As I wrote above, the article focuses on unnecessary character details outside the main plot, and does not address the actual plot, a rather major aspect of the topic. You write giving four plots would bloat the article, yet you don't hesitate writing trivialities such as that Mizuki is on the girl's basketball team in two different places, without connecting it with any plot. And how much plot could there be if the article itself says "the game's overall story is not that long"? How long is "not that long", anyway?
4 It is neutral; that is, it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias.
It is not. As I wrote above, the article is written as a "teaser", as if it were attempting to entice the reader into playing the game in order to find out the real substance.
As for the one sentence you write about it being an eroge, that would seem to be uncited, which would violate #2. The nearest reference link to it, http://homepage2.nifty.com/aozaki/log_2006_12.htm#20061202 goes to a "not found" page. And are you quite sure that it's just main character with main heroine, not with half a dozen others along the way? I could also mention that the plot section covers three chapters, while Shiuchi and Muziki seem to be from a fourth chapter, what happened to that one?
But I'm done now, I see you renominated it at WP:GA, possibly you will find a different reviewer more to your taste there. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 16:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Any idea what "Ef" means in context with the game? Wiktionary:ef has a few entries; does the series happen to take place in Iceland or Wales? Is it a weird English pun? e.g. ef→F→Fairy (tale). I've done some searching and I can't come up with an answer. May border on OR, but does anyone have a clue? It's been buggin' me.-- SeizureDog ( talk) 07:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
この後、「『ef』は誰が考えたんですか?」という質問に酒井さんは自分で考えたと答え、最初は「eternal feather」「ever forever」の2つのみで、他は後付けということを言っていました。
Note: Article originally failed criteria three. Changes to article fixed the problem and as such, I recommended it. -- Nomader ( Talk) 03:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Below is the reasoning for the hold in the article (due to criteria 3).
For now, I'm listing this article on hold for seven days. If the problems listed above are not fixed by that time, I will have to regrettably fail the article... which is a shame. It really does show that someone's put time into it -- good luck. -- Nomader ( Talk) 05:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I can't see any signs of a 'harem' in this game.. There's four girls who get paired up with four guys.. The closest thing to a 'harem' is the slight love triangle enjoyed by Hirono. And you don't get a choice either.. The only reason this is classified a harem is because it's a visual novel, many of which are or contain some form of a harem in it. Since I do not know how to change things very well on wiki, someone else should do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rathalos09 ( talk • contribs) 02:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I quote from wikipedia
"The first episode used a background music track for the opening theme, and the second and tenth episodes had no opening theme"
Was there an official name for the BGM released? Flowright138 ( talk) 09:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi there :) I've got some questions about ef. As Ef: a fairy tale of the two has been rated GA article, we're trying to translate it in french. I try to proofread the translation, but I know nothing at all about ef. I have trouble translating «Kuze keeps to himself that he is dying of a special case of neurosis». Firstly because of «dying of neurosis» (It's an idiom? I don't get the point of dying of psychological disease) and secondly because ANN talks about «fatal illness», that seems to fit better with the background. So, is there someone who know the story and can tell me more about that poor Kuze? ;) Thanks in advance!
(Damn, my written english is really bad, I'm sorry...). -- From FR WikiProject Manga and Anime, Hilanna ( talk) 16:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I have made a number of significant changes to the article.
1) There are two paragraphs where it explains that the choices the player makes eventually leads to sexual intercourse. This is unneeded, as the first paragraph explicitly states that it's an adult visual novel. A first-person shooter or a sidescroller wouldn't have several paragraphs explaining what the genre is. The gameplay section has been reduced to what makes Ef different than other visual novels. I can't help but think the original contributor had a bias against sexual content when writing this article.
2) According to [ [1]] it is okay to show original styling of the title once. I have done so. However, the period at the end of the Ef titles is nonstandard, and so I have removed most, if not all of them from the article. Some may still remain. To compensate, I've changed the infobar to include the original styling.
3) The second paragraph has been greatly shortened since most of it was technical info (Do we really need to know the author and publisher of the manga in the beginning summary? This information is included later in the article.)
4) I have removed non-neutral sentences, such as claims that the visual novel isn't long or that there are over a thousand CGs. If there's no source, this information can't be included. Apparently, when both parts of the visual novel are combined, the length is similar to that of other standard-sized visual novels, anyhow. Samwise04 ( talk) 16:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I feel like the Plot section should mention where the stories take place, as this absolutely _central_ to the events portrayed (e.g., past earthquake, separation of the twins, Christmas themes, Yu's architecture, etc.) and their meaning to the characters' relationships (e.g., scars of past tragedies, the twins being mirror images like their twin cities, summer representing the future, etc. etc.).
However I'm a little confused on the setting. In the anime, stories drawn from "The First Tale" primarily take place in Japan, while the stories taken from "The Latter Tale" primarily occur in Australia (this was not entirely clear at first... at least to me). Is that true for the visual novels as well? Elsewhere on this Talk page, someone mentioned "a Germanic setting," and indeed, the "Tale of Melodies" anime is overflowing with German language imagery. But there was no attempt to explain this, as far as I could tell -- the anime never drew Germany into the plot. So, do the visual novels have the same Japan/Australia twin cities setting, or is it possibly in Germany or additional locations?? 174.63.85.80 ( talk) 12:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) Fuortu ( talk) 16:24, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two. → Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two – We don't normally have a period at the end of the Title. The Mysterious El Willstro ( talk) 03:51, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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This is a heads up to anyone who wants to know. I've been putting it off ever since I started working on this article a week ago, but now that it's up for GA and I've all but exhausted any more serious additions to the article at this time, I am finally going to get around to the matter with the title. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks)#Trademarks that begin with a lowercase letter: Trademarks rendered without any capitals are always capitalized. For this reason, the title will now be rendered to be "Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two.". This of course also applies to the titles of the separate games, novels, and anime adaptation.-- 十 八 06:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
IIRC, he was voiced in the demo. -- HashiriyaGDB 06:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
You sure? Then what's with the part about Kyousuke asking Hiro for one of old paintings? And there was a also a CG where Kei and Chihiro are seen together. BTW, I was playing No Name Losers' translation of the demo.-- HashiriyaGDB 04:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I know what's going on. Kyousuke is voiced only in the HiroxMiya segment of the First Tale. When we're in his point of view during the second acr of the first tale, he's not voiced. -- HashiriyaGDB ( talk) 07:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
It's clear a lot of work has been put into this article, and it shows. My compliments.
Unfortunately, it's, well, a bit too much. Specifically, it's written more like a description from the company site, rather than a neutral, disinterested view, and ends up being a "teaser" without actually giving much information about the game itself. For example:
A few other points that should also be addressed:
I hate to fail an article with so much work put in, but the longest sections need to be rather drastically chopped, researched, and rewritten. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) Ah, you want chapter and verse. OK, per WP:GA? my issues were with
3 It is broad in its coverage. In this respect, it: (a) addresses the major aspects of the topic;[3] and (b) stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary details (see summary style).
It is not, neither a nor b. As I wrote above, the article focuses on unnecessary character details outside the main plot, and does not address the actual plot, a rather major aspect of the topic. You write giving four plots would bloat the article, yet you don't hesitate writing trivialities such as that Mizuki is on the girl's basketball team in two different places, without connecting it with any plot. And how much plot could there be if the article itself says "the game's overall story is not that long"? How long is "not that long", anyway?
4 It is neutral; that is, it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias.
It is not. As I wrote above, the article is written as a "teaser", as if it were attempting to entice the reader into playing the game in order to find out the real substance.
As for the one sentence you write about it being an eroge, that would seem to be uncited, which would violate #2. The nearest reference link to it, http://homepage2.nifty.com/aozaki/log_2006_12.htm#20061202 goes to a "not found" page. And are you quite sure that it's just main character with main heroine, not with half a dozen others along the way? I could also mention that the plot section covers three chapters, while Shiuchi and Muziki seem to be from a fourth chapter, what happened to that one?
But I'm done now, I see you renominated it at WP:GA, possibly you will find a different reviewer more to your taste there. -- AnonEMouse (squeak) 16:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Any idea what "Ef" means in context with the game? Wiktionary:ef has a few entries; does the series happen to take place in Iceland or Wales? Is it a weird English pun? e.g. ef→F→Fairy (tale). I've done some searching and I can't come up with an answer. May border on OR, but does anyone have a clue? It's been buggin' me.-- SeizureDog ( talk) 07:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
この後、「『ef』は誰が考えたんですか?」という質問に酒井さんは自分で考えたと答え、最初は「eternal feather」「ever forever」の2つのみで、他は後付けということを言っていました。
Note: Article originally failed criteria three. Changes to article fixed the problem and as such, I recommended it. -- Nomader ( Talk) 03:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Below is the reasoning for the hold in the article (due to criteria 3).
For now, I'm listing this article on hold for seven days. If the problems listed above are not fixed by that time, I will have to regrettably fail the article... which is a shame. It really does show that someone's put time into it -- good luck. -- Nomader ( Talk) 05:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I can't see any signs of a 'harem' in this game.. There's four girls who get paired up with four guys.. The closest thing to a 'harem' is the slight love triangle enjoyed by Hirono. And you don't get a choice either.. The only reason this is classified a harem is because it's a visual novel, many of which are or contain some form of a harem in it. Since I do not know how to change things very well on wiki, someone else should do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rathalos09 ( talk • contribs) 02:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I quote from wikipedia
"The first episode used a background music track for the opening theme, and the second and tenth episodes had no opening theme"
Was there an official name for the BGM released? Flowright138 ( talk) 09:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi there :) I've got some questions about ef. As Ef: a fairy tale of the two has been rated GA article, we're trying to translate it in french. I try to proofread the translation, but I know nothing at all about ef. I have trouble translating «Kuze keeps to himself that he is dying of a special case of neurosis». Firstly because of «dying of neurosis» (It's an idiom? I don't get the point of dying of psychological disease) and secondly because ANN talks about «fatal illness», that seems to fit better with the background. So, is there someone who know the story and can tell me more about that poor Kuze? ;) Thanks in advance!
(Damn, my written english is really bad, I'm sorry...). -- From FR WikiProject Manga and Anime, Hilanna ( talk) 16:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I have made a number of significant changes to the article.
1) There are two paragraphs where it explains that the choices the player makes eventually leads to sexual intercourse. This is unneeded, as the first paragraph explicitly states that it's an adult visual novel. A first-person shooter or a sidescroller wouldn't have several paragraphs explaining what the genre is. The gameplay section has been reduced to what makes Ef different than other visual novels. I can't help but think the original contributor had a bias against sexual content when writing this article.
2) According to [ [1]] it is okay to show original styling of the title once. I have done so. However, the period at the end of the Ef titles is nonstandard, and so I have removed most, if not all of them from the article. Some may still remain. To compensate, I've changed the infobar to include the original styling.
3) The second paragraph has been greatly shortened since most of it was technical info (Do we really need to know the author and publisher of the manga in the beginning summary? This information is included later in the article.)
4) I have removed non-neutral sentences, such as claims that the visual novel isn't long or that there are over a thousand CGs. If there's no source, this information can't be included. Apparently, when both parts of the visual novel are combined, the length is similar to that of other standard-sized visual novels, anyhow. Samwise04 ( talk) 16:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I feel like the Plot section should mention where the stories take place, as this absolutely _central_ to the events portrayed (e.g., past earthquake, separation of the twins, Christmas themes, Yu's architecture, etc.) and their meaning to the characters' relationships (e.g., scars of past tragedies, the twins being mirror images like their twin cities, summer representing the future, etc. etc.).
However I'm a little confused on the setting. In the anime, stories drawn from "The First Tale" primarily take place in Japan, while the stories taken from "The Latter Tale" primarily occur in Australia (this was not entirely clear at first... at least to me). Is that true for the visual novels as well? Elsewhere on this Talk page, someone mentioned "a Germanic setting," and indeed, the "Tale of Melodies" anime is overflowing with German language imagery. But there was no attempt to explain this, as far as I could tell -- the anime never drew Germany into the plot. So, do the visual novels have the same Japan/Australia twin cities setting, or is it possibly in Germany or additional locations?? 174.63.85.80 ( talk) 12:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) Fuortu ( talk) 16:24, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two. → Ef: A Fairy Tale of the Two – We don't normally have a period at the end of the Title. The Mysterious El Willstro ( talk) 03:51, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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