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What does that even mean in this context? Did whoever wrote this mean fictional? Aren't all organizations imaginary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.128.169 ( talk) 16:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Using "sources" that all point to each other to create better clickbait headlines is slowly making Wikipedia an irrelevant echo chamber for left-wing contributors. Claiming that Diagolon is an "extremist" group is stretching reality to the point of nonsense; what word will be left for actual extremists like the NRM? Wikipedia should aim at staying away from the binary mindset ("there's two political viewpoints: mine and nazis!") or just go ahead and get acquired by the Huffington post.

Here's how Diagolon describes their flag (taken from their website): "THE FLAG OF DIAGOLON AKA "OL SLASHY" IS A FUN SYMBOL WHICH REPRESENTS AN INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY OF PODCAST FANS, OUTDOORSMEN, FATHERS, MOTHERS, BACHELORS, AND GENERALLY ANYONE WHO BELIEVES IN LIFE, LOVE, LIBERTY, PEACE, AND MOST OF ALL, THE NOTION OF COMMUNITY WHICH BINDS ALL OF US."

If you think this is right-wing extremism, maybe you should go ahead and read Mein Kampf to recalibrate your political mindmap. 174.1.64.49 ( talk) 01:02, 18 September 2022 (UTC) reply

The Diagolon website does not get to be a reference for describing what Diagolon is or is not. David notMD ( talk) 07:09, 19 September 2022 (UTC) reply

@ David notMD: I am looking at the revert of the IP editor's additions, and I see many reasonable looking sources cited that are independent of the Diagolon website. The edits, while not neutral, did contain useful information, and could be recast to provide additional context. The article as it stands now reads badly, with a list of seemingly random facts in the lead paragraph that have no coverage in the body text, violating WP:LEAD. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 08:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Topic is outside my wheelhouse. Reads badly either version. I will point out that current refs 8 & 13 are to Diagolon and Jeremy, respectively, and should be removed, as other refs support the text at those locations. David notMD ( talk) 12:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Whoever has reverted those changes is endorsing the description of what is essentially a handful of cannabis-smoking Canadians opposed to the politics of Justin Trudeau as "a proposed nation running from Alaska to Florida" advocating "forming a new country through separatist violent measures". This is not just wrong, this is pathetic. The outcome is not a curated/better Wikipedia, it's basically sabotage. 174.1.64.49 ( talk) 23:05, 19 September 2022 (UTC) reply

It's true that the sources in the article do not seem to indicate that Diagolon is a genuine separatist group; the Canadian Anti-Hate Network states that The plot to carve up select regions of North America into a new canted superstate is, at its heart, a meme. It appears to be more consistently described as a right-wing, tacitly militant accelerationist movement. To reflect this I have changed {{ infobox country}} to {{ infobox militant organization}}. Shells-shells ( talk) 01:46, 20 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Their website is the sole direct source of information. Obviously, it takes prominence over opinions that draw their information from indirect sources. Pamandersonfanclub ( talk) 21:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC) reply

You cannot trust an organisation to accurately describe itself. That's why Wikipedia uses reliable sources; self-published are explicitly called out by the guidelines as "largely not acceptable", and why I've sourced information from US and Canadian Government departments. Ionophore ( talk) 19:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC) reply

You cannot use sources that are based on speculatory opinion. If you are obsessed with spreading conspiracy theories about a fictional organization you should stick to reddit. The earth is not flat, we did land on the moon, and Diagolon is and always will be a meme. Pamandersonfanclub ( talk) 22:44, 2 March 2024 (UTC) reply

As several other editors pointed out, this article does seem to be lacking in both neutrality and factual accuracy. Particularly Barbara Perry's claim of Diagolon having an "ambition to create a white ethnonationalist state" is highly dubious, so I am torn between just tagging it as such and simply deleting it. Many other controversial and factually incorrect claims in the article are coming from Canadian Anti-Hate Network, an organization funded by the government of Canada, which used their claims about Diagolon to invoke the Emergencies Act to clear the trucker protest, so there is a clear conflict of interest at play. Happy to discuss further. Hyperkorea ( talk) 13:41, 19 December 2022 (UTC) reply

I've redone that section and make clear to attribute analysis from Canadian Anti-Hate Network to the organization. CT55555( talk) 14:56, 19 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Thank you. However this does not address the core problem of the article pointed out by myself and others, which is that it's written almost exclusively based on CAHN claims and journalists citing this organization, which is a biased source due to the conflict of interest mentioned above. Furthermore, as another editor above me pointed out, even CAHN acknowledges that Diagolon's statehood ambition is a joke, however the article instead uses an unusual and highly dubious claim of Barbara Perry who seems to be the only person taking this joke seriously. Other humorous aspects of this group are systematically downplayed as well. We have a membership section that doesn't mention that Diagolon's vice president is a time-travelling cocaine addicted goat but does for some reason mention unrelated charges against Jeremy MacKenzie and nothing else about him, like his career in the Canadian Forces or podcasting. To sum it up, this article cannot in it current state give Wikipedia readers a clear and unbiased view of this organization. I can work on improving some of its parts but as long as CAHN is used as its main source I am afraid it will remain biased, so please don't remove the NPOV template before discussing it here. Thanks again. Hyperkorea ( talk) 17:00, 19 December 2022 (UTC) reply

It does rely on the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, probably because they are an organization that reports on extremist groups, so that's normal. That is also the reason that journalists quote CAHN. It seems logical to me that the leader of a militia might have firearms related charges mentioned, and I do think that military service and podcasting are also a bit relevant, so you could add that in, I think.

The CAHN website says they do not currently take funding from government, so I think you're wrong about that, but I also don't see any reason to discount government funded organisations in Canada.

I assume the time travelling cocaine fuelled goat comment is sarcasm, so I'll not reply to that. But if there is a vice president with newsworthy activities, we should add that in too.

In the context of our disagreement, I've made a post to WP:NPOVN to get wider input. CT55555( talk) 20:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC) reply

CAHN does take money from the federal government of Canada. Bernie Farber who you're getting your information from has frequently spread misinformation on other claims of racism and hate and had plenty of his white supremacy claims against people and organizations taken off the Internet. Jeremy has wrongfully been targeted by the Trudeau government since Jeremy spoke out against Trudeau giving 10.5 million dollars to a Canadian citizen who joined the Taliban in Afghanistan and killed an American soldier. Jeremy also spoke out against the RCMP for coverups in the 2021:mass shooting in Nova Scotia and Trudeau interference in an attempt to push his gun control rhetoric. This was confirmed before Brenda Lucky resigned as head of RCMP. 2601:547:600:6800:18AF:CEBB:E9BF:6313 ( talk) 04:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC) reply

Any element critical of Diagolon has been removed from the article and it only relies on the groups statements about itself for the information. Diagolon raises money and claims the Coutts 4 who were arrested for conspiring to kill police. Diagolon is now also openly white supremacist. This article is a disservice to wikipedia and seems like it was just rewritten by supporters to remove facts and statements from academics, journalists, and researchers. Other organiztions besides the Canadian Anti-Hate Network have done research into the community, including the Accelerationist Research Consortium and the Global Project to Counter Hate and Extremism, and found much of the same. Burt Halloway ( talk) 17:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Re the cocaine-addicted demonic goat, see [1]. Yes there's an RS for that. Elinruby ( talk) 07:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The Randy Hillier bit does not seem relevant to the group. 98.143.67.248 ( talk) 19:09, 26 September 2022 (UTC) reply

I agree. I think it would be more appropriate to move it to the Randy Hillier article instead. Hyperkorea ( talk) 13:55, 19 December 2022 (UTC) reply

I also agree, it seems a bit out of place. CT55555( talk) 14:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC) reply

This whole wiki is inaccurate. 2601:547:600:6800:18AF:CEBB:E9BF:6313 ( talk) 03:39, 26 August 2023 (UTC) reply

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They forgot to add that this is a fictional meme country that disagrees with the state of current political leadership in Canada. This is not a violent or supremacist group. This is a group of people who have had enough with government overreach and are voicing their opinions and concerns all done out of the love and respect of their fellow countrymen. I am sorry if we make mouth noises the political opposition doesn't like but we all have a right to say what we think or feel especially if it infringes on our right to be self governing individuals. 162.254.64.224 ( talk) 17:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC) reply

The lack of reliable sources provided for this claim is why this edit request is rejected. CT55555( talk) 17:15, 7 February 2023 (UTC) reply

The source is a reality. 2607:FEA8:7C9C:9680:ECC2:9EBC:767F:EC83 ( talk) 03:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC) reply

That isn't how Wikipedia works. Provide a published reliable source. ~ Anachronist ( talk) 04:06, 9 March 2023 (UTC) reply

I am the Vice President of the North American chapter of the Diagolon Fan Club. Your source is shabby, This story is fraudulent. 2601:547:600:6800:18AF:CEBB:E9BF:6313 ( talk) 03:43, 26 August 2023 (UTC) reply

Hello. 2601:547:600:6800:18AF:CEBB:E9BF:6313 ( talk) 03:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC) reply

Your article is rubbish and 109% lies. Diagolon is a fictional country that runs from Alaska to Florida and it's the imagination of Jeremy Mackenzie, a former member of the Canadian Armed Forces. The VP of Diagolon is a demonic goat figurine named Phil who has time traveling abilities and has a cocaine problem. There is no such thing as acceleration and is a troll spoofing the federal government of Canada. The flag of Diagolon was made on a cell phone with Jeremys finger in a diagonal direction. \\\ and 🐐🐐🐐are the symbols of Diagolon. Since Diagolon is making fun of the federal government of Canada the term bigots who are in charge of Diagolon is directed toward the Liberal Government of Canada headed by Justin Trudeau. Thanks for allowing me to correct you though I seriously doubt you'll make the necessary corrections and keep the misinformation going. 2601:547:600:6800:18AF:CEBB:E9BF:6313 ( talk) 03:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia is based on sources that the community has decided are reliable. You should try to get your views represented in such a source, because we don't rely on ipse dixit. Cheers, and Happy Friday. Dumuzid ( talk) 04:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC) reply

The "reliable" sources have been called into question by the HateGate FOIA releases. Page 8

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/64febd50f4fd8674296b61ae/t/6500bae1dced033b736564a4/1694546659244/The+HateGate+Affair.pdf

“I’ve looped in Insp. Simon Pillay and A.Insp J-S Grenier who are the project Team OICs to assist with any discussions your NZ LO may wish to have on Diagolon. We do not consider it a right wing militia group at this time however assessment is ongoing as I understand it.” • Eliane Caron, Director of Ops Team 2, Federal Policing National Security (FNPS), April 8, 2022

“We generally agree with the Key Assessments, 1) DIAGOLON is led by MACKENZIE, 2) based on current information, DIAGOLON does not meet dictionary definitions of a group.” • Matthew Desjardins, March 16, 2022

“The channels are REMVE + Conspiracy theorist in nature but not accelerationist and you’re right no incitement of violence. Some of the usernames have racist references/photos in them but no criminality.” ▪ Kristen Little to Ashley Chen, July 14, 2021, subject “Diagolon”

Will the truth be posted or is this a circle the wagons scenario? I'm a new account I can't do it. I've never run into much inaccuracy in Wikipedia so I didn't need an account until now. Trauma Chicken ( talk) 17:33, 30 October 2023 (UTC) reply

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It's really clear that there's some heavily biased language here. Describing the group as "satirical," "fictitious," etc. Ex: "Several media outlets and politicians have been duped into believing that Diagolon is.." This is in line with their organizers' messaging — wanting to coverup and downplay the group's extremism, which has been a defininf factor of the group since its founding.

 Done Looks like these changes were made by a single user who used a single source. The link itself is just a PR website and not a suitable source, and also does not even support the claims that it is satirical and fictitious, so have reverted these changes. The PR piece appears to be based on a podcast episode featuring a reported investigation by Caryma Sa'd. Unfortunately there's no transcript for the podcast and I'm not about to waste half an hour listening to this thing to see what she says specifically about Diagalon, but it's there if anyone wants to take a stab at it Cannolis ( talk) 21:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC) reply

There appears to be an absence of sources from the group itself, which appears to be amorphous. Almost every single source on this page is a news article summarizing various beliefs about this group which cannot be substantiated. It seems apparent that Diagalon, never heard of before or since the Freedom Convoy Protests, is not actually real. The only direct source, that being comments from the alleged founder Jeremy Mackenzie, confirm that the so-called group is in fact a joke. Pamandersonfanclub ( talk) 17:31, 31 January 2024 (UTC) reply

The article currently contains four instances of Diagolon being misspelled as “Diagalon”. 138.51.69.98 ( talk) 15:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Canadian Press should be cited directly Elinruby ( talk) 19:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC) reply

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Edit this to say it is an "imaginary group" because of the following: 2604:3D09:C282:BCE0:D56C:3390:A68E:9540 ( talk) 13:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC) This is an imaginary group that has been proven to be true in the court of law, disproving what the Canadian Media and what the Canadian Anti-Hate Network has claimed about the imaginary groups creator Jeremy. Source: " https://www.sasktoday.ca/crime-cops-court/did-feds-rely-on-poorly-sourced-info-to-invoke-emergencies-act-7539385" reply

Please get rid of the hypocrisy of this site claiming it is a real far right organization, when in fact under the Canadian law it has proven not to be.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb ( talk) 10:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Here is a link saying what was said in the Canadian Court of Law and disproving what the Canadian Media and Canadian Anti-Hate network has claimed about the comedian who came up with this joke in the first place. " https://www.sasktoday.ca/crime-cops-court/did-feds-rely-on-poorly-sourced-info-to-invoke-emergencies-act-7539385 " 2604:3D09:C282:BCE0:D56C:3390:A68E:9540 ( talk) 13:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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184.171.197.72 (
talk) 15:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC) the RCMP clearly note that this group does not meet the requirements of a hate group or organization. what is printed here is open lies.
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 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb ( talk) 08:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC) reply