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Wikipedia has an article called Transphobia. Is there a similar kind of word for people who feel that way about detransitioners? SquirrelHill1971 ( talk) 04:06, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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"Detransition" has a negative connotation and is falling out of favor within much of the trans community. "Retransition" has a more positive and affirming meaning. 98.114.41.189 ( talk) 16:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
– RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ ( 💬 • 📝) 17:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Retransition—Resuming a gender transition following detransition. Some detrans people may use this term to indicate restarting hormone therapy for medical reasons but without re-identifying as transgender. Others may apply this word to refer to re-identifying since initiating a gender transition such as moving from a binary transgender identity to non-binary. Some people prefer retransition to describe stopping or reversing transition.
To be frank the first sense is completely new to meMe too, and I'm pretty up-to-date on the current terminology. Pretty much the only place I recall offhand is in the second sense, someone who is resuming or restarting a transition after detransitioning.
Some studies use the term retransition rather than detransition.in the article lead. The only place that source mentions retransition is in reference to Ky Schevers retransition. Is there a better source, ideally an academic source, that we could use there? I don't think the BMJ source that RoxySaunders found would work here either, because that refers to people using the term, not studies. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 17:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
This article currently distinguishes detransition from "transition regret", saying for example "The term is distinct from the concept of 'regret'".
Is there already a Wikipedia article for the concept of "transition regret"? Does anyone have thoughts on whether we should establish one?
I was reading the recent article
and wondering whether this information could be here, in a regret article, or elsewhere. Bluerasberry (talk) 19:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
The text summarizing Detransition#cite note-5 claims that it encompasses 7,28 participants. This is not a number that makes any sense, and it made me want to understand this further.
I checked the referenced page, and it makes even less sense. The authors claim "We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic" but the Wikipedia page says "A systematic review of twenty-seven studies".
I could find no mention of the total number of participants, nor any trace of the authors summarizing the 'regret rate'.
This is a contentious subject and I'm not a well-seasoned editor on Wikipedia, so I do not want to make any changes to the actual page. I don't have any political agenda, but I'd like to see that the facts presented on Wikipedia is correct, so I'm hoping someone else with more confidence in editing this page could step up and fix this. Mag.icus ( talk) 07:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Do any of the sources use this phrase? The phrase 'forced detransition' in the context of these bills implies that medical treatment is a requirement of transitioning, which isn't the case. Suggesting that it is negates the trans identity of all those who transition without medical intervention or counselling services. Globally that's a significant number. 2407:7000:9BF1:4000:69C6:C11:9F81:FA18 ( talk) 06:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia has an article called Transphobia. Is there a similar kind of word for people who feel that way about detransitioners? SquirrelHill1971 ( talk) 04:06, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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"Detransition" has a negative connotation and is falling out of favor within much of the trans community. "Retransition" has a more positive and affirming meaning. 98.114.41.189 ( talk) 16:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
– RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ ( 💬 • 📝) 17:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Retransition—Resuming a gender transition following detransition. Some detrans people may use this term to indicate restarting hormone therapy for medical reasons but without re-identifying as transgender. Others may apply this word to refer to re-identifying since initiating a gender transition such as moving from a binary transgender identity to non-binary. Some people prefer retransition to describe stopping or reversing transition.
To be frank the first sense is completely new to meMe too, and I'm pretty up-to-date on the current terminology. Pretty much the only place I recall offhand is in the second sense, someone who is resuming or restarting a transition after detransitioning.
Some studies use the term retransition rather than detransition.in the article lead. The only place that source mentions retransition is in reference to Ky Schevers retransition. Is there a better source, ideally an academic source, that we could use there? I don't think the BMJ source that RoxySaunders found would work here either, because that refers to people using the term, not studies. Sideswipe9th ( talk) 17:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
This article currently distinguishes detransition from "transition regret", saying for example "The term is distinct from the concept of 'regret'".
Is there already a Wikipedia article for the concept of "transition regret"? Does anyone have thoughts on whether we should establish one?
I was reading the recent article
and wondering whether this information could be here, in a regret article, or elsewhere. Bluerasberry (talk) 19:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
The text summarizing Detransition#cite note-5 claims that it encompasses 7,28 participants. This is not a number that makes any sense, and it made me want to understand this further.
I checked the referenced page, and it makes even less sense. The authors claim "We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic" but the Wikipedia page says "A systematic review of twenty-seven studies".
I could find no mention of the total number of participants, nor any trace of the authors summarizing the 'regret rate'.
This is a contentious subject and I'm not a well-seasoned editor on Wikipedia, so I do not want to make any changes to the actual page. I don't have any political agenda, but I'd like to see that the facts presented on Wikipedia is correct, so I'm hoping someone else with more confidence in editing this page could step up and fix this. Mag.icus ( talk) 07:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Do any of the sources use this phrase? The phrase 'forced detransition' in the context of these bills implies that medical treatment is a requirement of transitioning, which isn't the case. Suggesting that it is negates the trans identity of all those who transition without medical intervention or counselling services. Globally that's a significant number. 2407:7000:9BF1:4000:69C6:C11:9F81:FA18 ( talk) 06:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)