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Does anyone agree that this shouldn't be on here? It really relates to the Kurt Cobain page, it doesn't really have an impact on Courtney's bio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickpeaface ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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Have I spammed Reaper X’s inbox? I most certainly have not spammed yours, as you state, Chickpeaface.
I just want to have an intelligent debate.
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Then when I clarified the timeline by adding the date that Love read Cobain’s alleged suicide note, (alleged because there is much evidence that the last four lines were forged) and added the specific facts that Cobain died on April 8, Love played the recording of herself reading the note on April 10 (and that this was repeatedly played on MTV) and Love's debut album was released on April 12, this was also reverted.
Why?
I just clarified the dates and added the fact that it was played on MTV. The statement that the suicide note was alleged was also reverted, with bias, ignoring all the evidence of forgery.
All my changes were unbiased and related solely to Love and they were reverted by Chickpeaface who will not engage in a dialog with me and even goes so far as to accuse me of spamming her which is completely unfounded and insulting; "I do not appreciate you...spamming my inbox".
This is a site dedicated to the truth. Reaper X agreed that there "should be some link of the evidence at least, because if there is enough verifiable sources and information to make a whole section about how Cobain's suicide is disputed and there is evidence to suggest Love was directly involved, there has to be some kind of connection here."
Again, two highly respected, unbiased, investigative journalists wrote a book in 2004 which came to the conclusion that Cobain’s death was not suicide and that Love was directly involved, yet this information has being censored on Love’s page by Chickpeaface.
Is wikepedia about the truth, or is it a biased reflection of an unwillingness to look at facts.
If Cobain’s death was not at his own hand, and if Love was involved, he deserves to have the truth revealed.
Again all I did was remove the biased opinion that his death was not self inflicted, added a more complete timeline of Love’s pre-recorded reading, adding that it was broadcast repeatedly on MTV and that Love’s album debuted two days later.
All this was reverted by Chickpeaface in a biased attempt to keep people from learning the facts and making their own decision about Cobain’s death. I also added a link to his Suicide/dispute page and that was also reverted. -- paultimmons ( talk) 08:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Chickpeaface never directed me to the policies regarding biographies of living persons. I am a newbie and respect all Wikepedias policies. I respect the policies regarding biographies of living persons. I believe that a New York Times Bestseller about Courtney Love warrants a mention on her Wikepedia page.-- paultimmons ( talk) 20:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. The way the entire thing and the organizations that support it have become, instead of convincing people of the possiblity of murder, is anti-Courtney propoganda. The argument does not belong here and is a theory with heavy circumstantial evidence, which is not enough to convict someone and can be disputed in a court of law. Just because the book and theory is popular does not always mean it is a correct one. Theres many slanderous things said about Courtney after all and the media jumps on that, and frankly I do not believe Courtney can be as 'evil' as everyone potrays. They give her far too much credit in areas where they want to argue that shes something of a slut or make her look bad and do not give her credit where is due such as music and her band. I will say that at times she is somewhat of a media whore, but hey so is Spears, whose even worse in my opinion than Courtney has ever been. I think people need to leave her alone and let her be. She does play the widow and Kurt card every now and then, but theres so much more to Courtney than just Kurt or Nirvana. In fact she more of a household name than he is anyway.
Xuchilbara ( talk) 21:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I agree. She, however, was on the verge of divorce w/ Kurt towards the end. (This is attested by Courtney more than once and I can obtain and provide sources if need be.) Maybe that should be mentioned, but w/ it Love also said she wished she had married Norton. It does concern the marriage portion at least.
Xuchilbara ( talk) 00:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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In my last post I was very careful about following the rules for living people. The book was a national bestseller about Love by two highly respected investigative journalists from a major publication, Rolling Stone. There was a big controversy at the time and Love commented on the book in the press. In my last post (which was simply an addition to Love's page) I stated that it was controversial and that the SPD maintain that Cobain was a suicide. I feel that if the suicide controversy warrants a mention on Cobain’ page, it warrants a mention on Love’s in the form of mentioning a bestselling book about Love. I do not understand how that could be considered vandalism.
I could keep posting and change my ip address when one gets banned, it's not hard to do, but that's not my style. All this controversy on her discussion page tells people where to go if they want to search for the truth.
It seem like you are all big Courtney Love fans who maintain her wiki page and who just are unwilling to even entertain the theory that Love was involved at all.
[removed comment violating WP:BLP -- paultimmons ( talk) 01:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I do hope you know that this is an encyclopedia, not a place for outlandish theories. Theres contradicting evidence to what you stated as well. Courtney was a drug addict you say? SO was alot of people hence all the OD in the Seattle scene among her peers, and even into more modern times like w/ Layne Staley's death. Let us not forget that Cobain was likewise a heavy user as Love was.
Hoke was sleazy and came from the streets, you, yourself cannot deny that his statements are questionable given his background. Frankly, i think you should stay off of Courtney's page and go to a real website to boast your POV of Kurt's death. If you have a disagreement, I would defenately say you can post it on my user page, rather than bickering on a talk page. You do not even take in consideration to what Frances would think of you talking bad about her mom like this, I think Kurt would be ashamed.
You also are not even remotely neutural, if this controversy is to be added in the article, it should be written from NPOV that reports facts about the allegations, rather than reposting "facts" of the theory. I hope you know you are not making the Cobain case fans look any better. Xuchilbara ( talk) 03:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Removed "She then died in the mental hospital." from the end of the Marriage section. psycherhexic ( talk) 06:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
She is listed in the List of Scientologists as a member of the church, but it is not mentioned here? Somebody who gives a dmn or knows better should look into the list or this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.150.115.219 ( talk) 06:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Was her birth name Love Michelle Harrison or Courtney Michelle Harrison? The first paragraph says it was Love, second says it was Courtney. I believe Love is correct, but would be good if someone could provide a source to confirm this. 220.233.12.16 ( talk) 23:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Could we possibly get a blurrier image of the side of her drunken face? I think that would really help the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crash2108 ( talk • contribs) 00:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC) Somehow, I don't agree Chickpeaface 11:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
can anyone give me a hand with formatting these? somethings changed and they are making the page wide
thanks
Chickpeaface 20:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a section, when she's on about her custom guitar, where she's quoted as saying "Also, I am a total hosebag" is this a real quote or vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.76.92.200 ( talk) 23:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
i checked the source, and it's vandalism - i've removed it Chickpeaface 08:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this is the place to replay all of that mid 90's speculation, so I've removed it. Chickpeaface 20:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
In 2004 Max Wallace and Ian Halperin, two highly respected investigative journalists from Rolling Stone Magazine wrote a book called, Love & Death; The Murder of Kurt Cobain, in which they implicate Love in Cobain’s murder. I suggest you read this book. This is not conspiracy theory from the 90’s. The Seattle police never even had a homicide investigator look at the crime scene. There was, unfortunately, a rush to judgment and many people believe a travesty of justice occurred. Just read the book or check out the websites http://cobaincase.com/ or http://justiceforkurt.com/. -- paultimmons ( talk) 08:39, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Do not remove my edits again, Chickpeaface. Neutral POV means NEUTRAL - not coming down on one side or the other regarding Cobain's death. To say "self-inflicted" is necessarily to VIOLATE the neutral POV policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.150.180 ( talk) 02:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
My faverite was the user who said that the death certificate is not a final verdict. FYI if you did your research you'd know Courtney never allowed the certificate to be publically released, as per Seattle law. So we really don't know what it says other than "suicide". (And Tom requested the release of it, citing that if he saw it and it proved he wasn't murdered, he'd drop the case against Courtney. So, obviously its never been released.)
If the murder thing is to be added, it needs its own section. (Thats carefully watched like a hawk too) Maybe some thing like w/ Courtney's controversies. Of course this isn't her only controversy.
Other than that, stay away from the current section on Kurt's death. It is officially ruled a suicide, and despite popular opinion, in which wikipedia doesn't always take, its not the right verdict either. We also do not force our opinions about a giving subject onto a article. For example the murder theorists have a hated view of Courtney, while I don't. But I don't edit the article to reflect that either, neither should the other side.
Xuchilbara ( talk) 04:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
If someone wants to add a section about the cause of death controversy, that would be OK. But until then, it is a violation of the Neutral POV policy to declare in this article that Cobain killed himself, when that proposition is the subject of much controversy - and not just from "conspiracy theorists" on the internet, but in mainstream media, among friends of Kurt Cobain, etc.
Jason2520 (
talk) 18:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I mean hell, this is from the intro to the entry on Cobain himself: "On April 8, 1994, Cobain was found dead in his home in Seattle, the victim of what was officially ruled a self-inflicted shotgun wound to the head. In ensuing years, the circumstances of his death became a topic of fascination and debate." If the Cobain article is neutral on the suicide/murder question, why shouldn't the Courtney Love page be? Jason2520 ( talk) 18:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I am not "inserting" viewpoints, I am removing them. There is a huge difference, and this is not a matter of "conspiracy theories." I am alleging nothing, no conspiracy, nothing, just changing the article to reflect a neutral point of view. This article should not take a stand one way or another on the issue. As it's written now, it does - it affirmatively declares it was a suicide. If you're going to revert my edits, at least address the substance of my arguments here. All you've done is declare that it violates the NPOV policy, without backing it up. The article as written violates the NPOV policy and needs to be fixed. Jason2520 ( talk) 19:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
How about this: Love_and_Death:_The_Murder_of_Kurt_Cobain? A book published by a major publishing company which was on the NY Times best seller list. Is that good enough? Jason2520 ( talk) 19:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Well? Unless someone can explain why this source is unacceptable, I'll change it back. I provided the information you requested. Jason2520 ( talk) 19:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
1.52 mg of heroin per litre of blood —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.137.199 ( talk) 01:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
No, Jason2520, it is not good enough to use as a source to cast suspicion on Courtney Love for this conspiracy theory. Note that on the book's article that is says "...purporting to show...". As in, not definitive, only speculation. This cannot go into this article due to WP:BLP policies. Period. Tarc ( talk) 20:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
This is just going over old ground - and it's clear from this page's history wikipedia is not the place for it. Chickpeaface 19:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
You people are absolute fucking morons. You said find a source, I found it, now it's not good enough because it doesn't prove the matter once and for all as if that would even be possible. Whatever. It's because of people like you that other people don't bother editing Wikipedia. Grow a brain, each of you. Jason2520 19:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I mean seriously: are you people brain damaged? Are you even native English speakers? Why is it so difficult for you to understand basic concepts of logic and apply them to the wikipedia rules? Where did you go to school? What rock did you crawl out from under? Jason2520 19:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Theories, gossip, rumors... call it what you want. There is no real proof of her involvement is Kurts death and in my personal opinion it probably was Kurts own decision. However, considering the amount of attention these "rumors" have gotten I think you can justify to mention these books (biased or not), at least in a couple of lines. I dont think that it deserves its own section, but a small mention to these controversies in the marriage section along with stating that the official verdict was a suicide, would be fitting in my opinion. What do you say? Krizzi ( talk) 15:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
That picture should really be replaced. It's so amateur and blurred that she isn't even identifiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.149.131.145 ( talk) 16:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
there's an appeal for a free image on her official forums, so hopefully something will come of that Chickpeaface 19:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
" don't think this is the place to replay all of that mid 90's speculation, so I've removed it. Chickpeaface 20:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)" Who are you to decide that? In that case I don't believe that this is the place to talk about a murderer, so I have removed everything and left what I think. Don't force your opinions on people when the truth is much easier to enforce. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.117.167 ( talk) 02:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I've requested protection again after the past few days activity. Chickpeaface 18:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
nice one cheers ;) Chickpeaface 22:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is a biography and as such comes under our policy on the biographies of living people. This is not a discussion forum. Pushing theories, conspiracies, and potentially libellous material will not be tolerated. Editors ignoring this warning may be blocked without further notice.-- Docg 08:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate that. However, I'd like to know why this same strictness of approach is not being applied to the Kurt Cobain page. Why aren't peoples' conspiracy theories confined to their OWN Wikipedia pages? If a private investigator is known for trying to advance a theory, why not print that theory in its entirety on THEIR page, given the lack of hard evidence in favor of it? Mistertruffles 05:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
The section should probably be renamed to "Solo career" or something along that line. The phrase is quite colloquial and unless it refers to a tour done by Love (Or of that nature) it should be replaced for being unencyclopaedic. Quite a minor issue really. Scarian Talk 22:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the opening statement needs, I don't know, meat? But I'm not sure what do do w/ it. Suggestions? Xuchilbara ( talk) 17:45, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Why does the introduction list Hole as "now defunct" Check the article on Robert Plant - no one says that Led Zeppelin is "now defunct". I think that negative phrase should be taken out. Even though it is literally true, the connotation seems to be that the band was minor and insignificant which is BS. -skip_ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.110.75 ( talk) 06:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Are you serious with all these Jewish tags?? Courtney only tried Kabbalah for a short time and it didn't not work out. She went through a Catholic faize where she actually practiced the religion for a long peroid, unlike Kabbalah & Scientology. The way this is done, you might as well slap the article w/ every religion Courtney breifly attempted. She is offcially a buddhist, her myspace blog, and forum posts (which she posts herself) comfirm this and so do many other primary sources. Shouldn't the article reflect Courtney's real religion? She even has said herself that she went through the religions I named, but none worked for her, only Buddhism did. Xuchilbara ( talk) 04:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we get sources on that? Its news to me. And in any case, I think the
Kabbalah tags should be removed.
Xuchilbara (
talk) 14:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Well it might be the at least one of her parents are only of partly Jewish descent, so that her own Jewish element is pretty distant, but i don't think she would just make up something like that, unless she was misquoted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.210.223 ( talk) 13:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, I gained access to Paula Fox's memoir via Google Books and found the content about Douglas Fairbanks on page 37. Fox's paternal grandmother (Love's great-great-grandmother) Mary Letitia Finch, was the sister of Fairbanks' mother, who married an Hungarian Jew who then begat Fairbanks. Y'all are right; Love may think she's a Jew and be distantly related to Fairbainks (who was Jewish), but her family tree doesn't bear that out. I wonder how Love managed to read that book and come to the conclusion that she was Jewish -- Foetusized ( talk) 01:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Looks like vandalism.. Stonesour025 ( talk) 07:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Especially considering the nebulous and varying colloquial definitions of "hooking up," I strongly suggest someone work on this, and on the rest of the article for similar reasons. I'm not against a slightly more casual tone/style here than in other articles in WP, but this example doesn't come off so much casual as it does 16-year-old's-drunken-phone-conversation-style, which is about as unencyclopedic as I can imagine in a scenario where actual words are still involved. Thanks so much! Sugarbat ( talk) 00:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
When you said Courtney's relationship with Kurt was "prolific", did you mean "high profile" or something like that? Coz I don't think prolific means what you think it means... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deb White ( talk • contribs) 03:34, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
She at one stage lived in Nelson New Zealand and went to Nelson Girls college. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.91.184.4 ( talk) 03:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Shortly after 9-11, Courtney Love was being interviewed on the Howard Stern Show. She claimed that she had served in a juvenile hall (juvvie) for shoplifting. She also said that she never completed high school. After 9-11, she said that she wanted to join the Marines, and that she had invested in the stock market (and lost $300,000) to express her patriotism. See http://www.marksfriggin.com/news01/9-17-01.htm#wed.
Is any of this verifiable? Rglovejoy ( talk) 22:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Courntey is in the
Category:Buddhist women, but she is also listed in the
List of Scientologists based on "[...] and Courtney Love, who thanked the church in the sleevenotes of her America's Sweetheart album, are also followers" from
[3].
76.29.59.179 said in
this thread that the above comment was meant to be a joke. Does anyone have more definitive sources for Buddhism and/or Scientology? As it is I'd remove her from the list, since I don't think that "thanked the church" makes her a follower. --
Amalthea
Talk 21:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Maybe I just missed it, but is there no mention of Courtney's first marriage here? Pericolaso ( talk) 22:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Courtney Love plays a pretty extensive role in Neil Strauss' book, The Game. She actually stayed at Project Hollywood for an extensive period of time. I think this should be at least briefly mentioned in the article.
A user, Beautiful&Dying, changed references from "Nobody's Daughter" to "Nobodies Daughter". Anyone heard of this? I can't find mention of it anywhere online, but figured I'd check before reverting it all. Tarc ( talk) 14:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
On the Graham Norton Show last night Courtney Love said that after she was rejected by the Mickey Mouse club she moved to Japan where she was a stripper at 13 years old. Does anyone know if it's true, or was it just a story she made up? ABart26 ( talk) 04:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I've requested temporary semi-protection for the article, after a week where over 50% of the edits have been vandalism from brand-new and anon editors, including several WP:BLP violations of the "OMG SHE KILLED KURDT" variety. We can re-request this after the initial five days are up, if the vandalism starts back up -- Foetusized ( talk) 14:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if this is vandalism or a legitimate mistake, but under family background it states: "retaining no contact with her birth father or her birth mother, who she discovered was the children’s writer Andreas Stylianou"
can someone categorize her as jewish american musicians? it is already known that she comes from a jewsih family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthacohen ( talk • contribs) 09:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
She does NOT come from a Jewish family, nor does she have any know Jewish! She was claiming at one point that her grandmother Paula Fox was Jewish, and that turned out not to be the truth.( 24.62.224.219 ( talk) 03:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC))
The link for Andreas Stylianou is to a male "Cypriot Football Player", not to a female children's writer. I don't know enough to edit this since I don't know what is fact and what is mistake or vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.196.61 ( talk) 03:22, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Why no mention of Summerhill? Courtney talked of it at the Oxford Union so I came to Wikipedia to find out more and there is no mention of it. I don't like to edit "other writers" pages so discuss it first. Whoever looks after this page can you please put in about Summerhill. With links to Summerhill_School please. 86.129.205.114 ( talk) 20:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC) sorry wasnt logged in Robotics1 ( talk) 20:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I copy-edited this section per the rules of WP:MOS and noted in particular that a citation is needed to the forthcoming appearances. I did a second edit to follow up that removed the Template:Copy edit tag that was in place from June 2008. I assert that this section is now grammatically and MoS compliant and no longer requires copy editing. I believe that the capitalization of the section headings throughout in this article are not completely MoS compliant but I will fix those under a different edit. If there are any objections to the removal of the Copyedit tag, please bring them to my attention. Xblkx ( talk) 03:59, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
According to the BBC News, Courtney Love (which is a stage name) is changing her name to Courtney Michelle, her given first and middle name. The article is here, and as of now has not been retracted: [6]. This was reverted based on a Twitter post ( diff & diff). My main question is, since when did Twitter become a "better cite" than the BBC News? -- Foetusized ( talk) 23:56, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
How come there is nothing on her killing Kurt Cobain. There is a published book as a source and you can't say that it is just rumors because regardless it is a published source and if it is not good enough then why not delete the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Death:_The_Murder_of_Kurt_Cobain. This article is very biased and I get labeled as vandalising the page. You guys should really fix it I tried wikis be bold thing and got put as vandalism. So yeah go do as I demand and write something up or give me a logical reason as to why there can be no mention of her possible involvement. Cocobain ( talk) 04:06, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I started to watch this show because of the Nirvana connection, but about half way through it really turned into an indictment of Courtney Love.[ [7]] I have no idea if this set out to be a hit piece or not, but so far as I could tell the film maker was just looking to find mutual friends to get info, until almost each and every one described Love as such things as "a harpy", Kurt_&_Courtney "a Vampire". Everyone who knew them then, (even her father) almost without exception said she was someone looking to use others and eventually caused the death of Kurt Cobain, if not killed him herself by being such a shrew. The most striking comment came from someone who seemed to count himself lucky to not have ended up like Kurt[ [8]]. He said "what else could Kurt have done living with her". The implication being it's better to blow your brains out than to keep living with Courtney Love. In my opinion there are evil people in the world who are the equivalent of parasitic or a "vampire", but for her sake I sincerely hope Courtney love is not, or at least is no longer the person who is described in this documentary. One way or another maybe a local D.A. should have a talk with her. --A. Renner 16:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Renner8592 ( talk • contribs)
Anybody has any information about her guitar/amp equipment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.243.130.143 ( talk) 13:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
"She also sounded off on cleaning up her messy Wikipedia page: "I just want what awards I got . . . who I [bleeped] -- on the record -- or who said nice things about [bleep ing] me. And how many hits I've had. And that's it." [9]
I'm against making this article unreadable, and a user has decided to do just that (IMO). By attempting to put the subject's entire life story into one simple timeline, the article's readability and usefulness as a Encyclopaedic article has been compromised (again, IMO). What's changed: The "Personal Life" section has been deleted, with occassional bits and pieces from it interspersed with information about her career and album releases. This has led to discussions of her religion being placed into a section called "Solo career" and horrible passages like this: "Love was released from house arrest on February 3, 2006 ... Love, a practicing Buddhist, credited the religion as having "saved her life" following the rehab and house arrest.[11][89] Love has been quoted saying that she began practicing the religion as early as 1991.[11]"
Should an item about her being a practising Buddhist be placed in the timeline at 1991? Or in the timeline at 2006? The author who attempted to merged these two sections apparently can't make up his mind. It's now an unreadable mess IMO. I suggest a new formatting so that items are placed into individual sections (e.g. "Career", "Personal life", etc.). Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker ( talk) 16:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
The wiki page of Courtney Love is downright unnecessary. There are so many things about this page that are irrelevant. There are entire sections that need to go. This doesn't look like the wiki page of an actor or mainly, a musician. That's why that entire "Personal Life/Beliefs" section needs to go, especially health. There's no reason for a health section or the emphasis of the custody battle, it just needs to go. Whoever is writing this page is being unfair and does not like this woman. It's not right. I would really love to clean up this page and I promise it will be as professional as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faithful87 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
01:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottdoesntknow ( talk • contribs)
Why is this under the "Music" section? It apparently deals with her public breakdown, drug usage and arrest (and why is it called "The Letterman Years" anyway? Only Love refers to the breakdown that way... This isn't her personal blog). Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker ( talk) 04:04, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it's worth mentioning that she's the target of a "groundbreaking" lawsuit regarding her Twitter "rants"? Links:
Maybe someone wants to write something about this? Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker ( talk) 04:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
The name of the place where Courtney Love is playing in the photo - incorrectly spelled Ottowa- is actually Ottawa. One of Canada's most prominent cities. Spelling it correctly is important.
( Allababy ( talk) 11:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC))
An unhappy looking five year old Courtney Love appears in the foreground of the B/W group photo on the rear side of the early Grateful Dead album AoxomoxoA (spelling ?) Documentation can be found in the Wiki article on the album ( "Courtney Love on Grateful Dead Album Cover", Snopes.com and others). I think that it's an interesting fact that could be worked into the paragraph on her childhood or listed as a trivia item. I am not adding myself as the article is semi-protected but perhaps someone who is more vested in the article will add. Seki1949 ( talk) 02:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Either Rolling Stone said that or they didn't. The former wording seemed to be trying to suggest that a foreign left-wing newspaper couldn't be trusted - in which case why are we including the quote at all?
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Does anyone agree that this shouldn't be on here? It really relates to the Kurt Cobain page, it doesn't really have an impact on Courtney's bio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickpeaface ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
[removed comment violating WP:BLP and WP:NPA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobaincase ( talk • contribs)
Have I spammed Reaper X’s inbox? I most certainly have not spammed yours, as you state, Chickpeaface.
I just want to have an intelligent debate.
[removed comment violating WP:BLP
Then when I clarified the timeline by adding the date that Love read Cobain’s alleged suicide note, (alleged because there is much evidence that the last four lines were forged) and added the specific facts that Cobain died on April 8, Love played the recording of herself reading the note on April 10 (and that this was repeatedly played on MTV) and Love's debut album was released on April 12, this was also reverted.
Why?
I just clarified the dates and added the fact that it was played on MTV. The statement that the suicide note was alleged was also reverted, with bias, ignoring all the evidence of forgery.
All my changes were unbiased and related solely to Love and they were reverted by Chickpeaface who will not engage in a dialog with me and even goes so far as to accuse me of spamming her which is completely unfounded and insulting; "I do not appreciate you...spamming my inbox".
This is a site dedicated to the truth. Reaper X agreed that there "should be some link of the evidence at least, because if there is enough verifiable sources and information to make a whole section about how Cobain's suicide is disputed and there is evidence to suggest Love was directly involved, there has to be some kind of connection here."
Again, two highly respected, unbiased, investigative journalists wrote a book in 2004 which came to the conclusion that Cobain’s death was not suicide and that Love was directly involved, yet this information has being censored on Love’s page by Chickpeaface.
Is wikepedia about the truth, or is it a biased reflection of an unwillingness to look at facts.
If Cobain’s death was not at his own hand, and if Love was involved, he deserves to have the truth revealed.
Again all I did was remove the biased opinion that his death was not self inflicted, added a more complete timeline of Love’s pre-recorded reading, adding that it was broadcast repeatedly on MTV and that Love’s album debuted two days later.
All this was reverted by Chickpeaface in a biased attempt to keep people from learning the facts and making their own decision about Cobain’s death. I also added a link to his Suicide/dispute page and that was also reverted. -- paultimmons ( talk) 08:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Chickpeaface never directed me to the policies regarding biographies of living persons. I am a newbie and respect all Wikepedias policies. I respect the policies regarding biographies of living persons. I believe that a New York Times Bestseller about Courtney Love warrants a mention on her Wikepedia page.-- paultimmons ( talk) 20:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. The way the entire thing and the organizations that support it have become, instead of convincing people of the possiblity of murder, is anti-Courtney propoganda. The argument does not belong here and is a theory with heavy circumstantial evidence, which is not enough to convict someone and can be disputed in a court of law. Just because the book and theory is popular does not always mean it is a correct one. Theres many slanderous things said about Courtney after all and the media jumps on that, and frankly I do not believe Courtney can be as 'evil' as everyone potrays. They give her far too much credit in areas where they want to argue that shes something of a slut or make her look bad and do not give her credit where is due such as music and her band. I will say that at times she is somewhat of a media whore, but hey so is Spears, whose even worse in my opinion than Courtney has ever been. I think people need to leave her alone and let her be. She does play the widow and Kurt card every now and then, but theres so much more to Courtney than just Kurt or Nirvana. In fact she more of a household name than he is anyway.
Xuchilbara ( talk) 21:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I agree. She, however, was on the verge of divorce w/ Kurt towards the end. (This is attested by Courtney more than once and I can obtain and provide sources if need be.) Maybe that should be mentioned, but w/ it Love also said she wished she had married Norton. It does concern the marriage portion at least.
Xuchilbara ( talk) 00:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
[removed comment violating
WP:BLP
In my last post I was very careful about following the rules for living people. The book was a national bestseller about Love by two highly respected investigative journalists from a major publication, Rolling Stone. There was a big controversy at the time and Love commented on the book in the press. In my last post (which was simply an addition to Love's page) I stated that it was controversial and that the SPD maintain that Cobain was a suicide. I feel that if the suicide controversy warrants a mention on Cobain’ page, it warrants a mention on Love’s in the form of mentioning a bestselling book about Love. I do not understand how that could be considered vandalism.
I could keep posting and change my ip address when one gets banned, it's not hard to do, but that's not my style. All this controversy on her discussion page tells people where to go if they want to search for the truth.
It seem like you are all big Courtney Love fans who maintain her wiki page and who just are unwilling to even entertain the theory that Love was involved at all.
[removed comment violating WP:BLP -- paultimmons ( talk) 01:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I do hope you know that this is an encyclopedia, not a place for outlandish theories. Theres contradicting evidence to what you stated as well. Courtney was a drug addict you say? SO was alot of people hence all the OD in the Seattle scene among her peers, and even into more modern times like w/ Layne Staley's death. Let us not forget that Cobain was likewise a heavy user as Love was.
Hoke was sleazy and came from the streets, you, yourself cannot deny that his statements are questionable given his background. Frankly, i think you should stay off of Courtney's page and go to a real website to boast your POV of Kurt's death. If you have a disagreement, I would defenately say you can post it on my user page, rather than bickering on a talk page. You do not even take in consideration to what Frances would think of you talking bad about her mom like this, I think Kurt would be ashamed.
You also are not even remotely neutural, if this controversy is to be added in the article, it should be written from NPOV that reports facts about the allegations, rather than reposting "facts" of the theory. I hope you know you are not making the Cobain case fans look any better. Xuchilbara ( talk) 03:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Removed "She then died in the mental hospital." from the end of the Marriage section. psycherhexic ( talk) 06:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
She is listed in the List of Scientologists as a member of the church, but it is not mentioned here? Somebody who gives a dmn or knows better should look into the list or this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.150.115.219 ( talk) 06:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Was her birth name Love Michelle Harrison or Courtney Michelle Harrison? The first paragraph says it was Love, second says it was Courtney. I believe Love is correct, but would be good if someone could provide a source to confirm this. 220.233.12.16 ( talk) 23:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Could we possibly get a blurrier image of the side of her drunken face? I think that would really help the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crash2108 ( talk • contribs) 00:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC) Somehow, I don't agree Chickpeaface 11:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
can anyone give me a hand with formatting these? somethings changed and they are making the page wide
thanks
Chickpeaface 20:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
There's a section, when she's on about her custom guitar, where she's quoted as saying "Also, I am a total hosebag" is this a real quote or vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.76.92.200 ( talk) 23:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
i checked the source, and it's vandalism - i've removed it Chickpeaface 08:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this is the place to replay all of that mid 90's speculation, so I've removed it. Chickpeaface 20:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
In 2004 Max Wallace and Ian Halperin, two highly respected investigative journalists from Rolling Stone Magazine wrote a book called, Love & Death; The Murder of Kurt Cobain, in which they implicate Love in Cobain’s murder. I suggest you read this book. This is not conspiracy theory from the 90’s. The Seattle police never even had a homicide investigator look at the crime scene. There was, unfortunately, a rush to judgment and many people believe a travesty of justice occurred. Just read the book or check out the websites http://cobaincase.com/ or http://justiceforkurt.com/. -- paultimmons ( talk) 08:39, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Do not remove my edits again, Chickpeaface. Neutral POV means NEUTRAL - not coming down on one side or the other regarding Cobain's death. To say "self-inflicted" is necessarily to VIOLATE the neutral POV policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.150.180 ( talk) 02:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
My faverite was the user who said that the death certificate is not a final verdict. FYI if you did your research you'd know Courtney never allowed the certificate to be publically released, as per Seattle law. So we really don't know what it says other than "suicide". (And Tom requested the release of it, citing that if he saw it and it proved he wasn't murdered, he'd drop the case against Courtney. So, obviously its never been released.)
If the murder thing is to be added, it needs its own section. (Thats carefully watched like a hawk too) Maybe some thing like w/ Courtney's controversies. Of course this isn't her only controversy.
Other than that, stay away from the current section on Kurt's death. It is officially ruled a suicide, and despite popular opinion, in which wikipedia doesn't always take, its not the right verdict either. We also do not force our opinions about a giving subject onto a article. For example the murder theorists have a hated view of Courtney, while I don't. But I don't edit the article to reflect that either, neither should the other side.
Xuchilbara ( talk) 04:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
If someone wants to add a section about the cause of death controversy, that would be OK. But until then, it is a violation of the Neutral POV policy to declare in this article that Cobain killed himself, when that proposition is the subject of much controversy - and not just from "conspiracy theorists" on the internet, but in mainstream media, among friends of Kurt Cobain, etc.
Jason2520 (
talk) 18:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I mean hell, this is from the intro to the entry on Cobain himself: "On April 8, 1994, Cobain was found dead in his home in Seattle, the victim of what was officially ruled a self-inflicted shotgun wound to the head. In ensuing years, the circumstances of his death became a topic of fascination and debate." If the Cobain article is neutral on the suicide/murder question, why shouldn't the Courtney Love page be? Jason2520 ( talk) 18:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I am not "inserting" viewpoints, I am removing them. There is a huge difference, and this is not a matter of "conspiracy theories." I am alleging nothing, no conspiracy, nothing, just changing the article to reflect a neutral point of view. This article should not take a stand one way or another on the issue. As it's written now, it does - it affirmatively declares it was a suicide. If you're going to revert my edits, at least address the substance of my arguments here. All you've done is declare that it violates the NPOV policy, without backing it up. The article as written violates the NPOV policy and needs to be fixed. Jason2520 ( talk) 19:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
How about this: Love_and_Death:_The_Murder_of_Kurt_Cobain? A book published by a major publishing company which was on the NY Times best seller list. Is that good enough? Jason2520 ( talk) 19:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Well? Unless someone can explain why this source is unacceptable, I'll change it back. I provided the information you requested. Jason2520 ( talk) 19:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
1.52 mg of heroin per litre of blood —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.137.199 ( talk) 01:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
No, Jason2520, it is not good enough to use as a source to cast suspicion on Courtney Love for this conspiracy theory. Note that on the book's article that is says "...purporting to show...". As in, not definitive, only speculation. This cannot go into this article due to WP:BLP policies. Period. Tarc ( talk) 20:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
This is just going over old ground - and it's clear from this page's history wikipedia is not the place for it. Chickpeaface 19:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
You people are absolute fucking morons. You said find a source, I found it, now it's not good enough because it doesn't prove the matter once and for all as if that would even be possible. Whatever. It's because of people like you that other people don't bother editing Wikipedia. Grow a brain, each of you. Jason2520 19:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I mean seriously: are you people brain damaged? Are you even native English speakers? Why is it so difficult for you to understand basic concepts of logic and apply them to the wikipedia rules? Where did you go to school? What rock did you crawl out from under? Jason2520 19:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Theories, gossip, rumors... call it what you want. There is no real proof of her involvement is Kurts death and in my personal opinion it probably was Kurts own decision. However, considering the amount of attention these "rumors" have gotten I think you can justify to mention these books (biased or not), at least in a couple of lines. I dont think that it deserves its own section, but a small mention to these controversies in the marriage section along with stating that the official verdict was a suicide, would be fitting in my opinion. What do you say? Krizzi ( talk) 15:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
That picture should really be replaced. It's so amateur and blurred that she isn't even identifiable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.149.131.145 ( talk) 16:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
there's an appeal for a free image on her official forums, so hopefully something will come of that Chickpeaface 19:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
" don't think this is the place to replay all of that mid 90's speculation, so I've removed it. Chickpeaface 20:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)" Who are you to decide that? In that case I don't believe that this is the place to talk about a murderer, so I have removed everything and left what I think. Don't force your opinions on people when the truth is much easier to enforce. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.117.167 ( talk) 02:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I've requested protection again after the past few days activity. Chickpeaface 18:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
nice one cheers ;) Chickpeaface 22:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
This article is a biography and as such comes under our policy on the biographies of living people. This is not a discussion forum. Pushing theories, conspiracies, and potentially libellous material will not be tolerated. Editors ignoring this warning may be blocked without further notice.-- Docg 08:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate that. However, I'd like to know why this same strictness of approach is not being applied to the Kurt Cobain page. Why aren't peoples' conspiracy theories confined to their OWN Wikipedia pages? If a private investigator is known for trying to advance a theory, why not print that theory in its entirety on THEIR page, given the lack of hard evidence in favor of it? Mistertruffles 05:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
The section should probably be renamed to "Solo career" or something along that line. The phrase is quite colloquial and unless it refers to a tour done by Love (Or of that nature) it should be replaced for being unencyclopaedic. Quite a minor issue really. Scarian Talk 22:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the opening statement needs, I don't know, meat? But I'm not sure what do do w/ it. Suggestions? Xuchilbara ( talk) 17:45, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Why does the introduction list Hole as "now defunct" Check the article on Robert Plant - no one says that Led Zeppelin is "now defunct". I think that negative phrase should be taken out. Even though it is literally true, the connotation seems to be that the band was minor and insignificant which is BS. -skip_ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.110.75 ( talk) 06:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Are you serious with all these Jewish tags?? Courtney only tried Kabbalah for a short time and it didn't not work out. She went through a Catholic faize where she actually practiced the religion for a long peroid, unlike Kabbalah & Scientology. The way this is done, you might as well slap the article w/ every religion Courtney breifly attempted. She is offcially a buddhist, her myspace blog, and forum posts (which she posts herself) comfirm this and so do many other primary sources. Shouldn't the article reflect Courtney's real religion? She even has said herself that she went through the religions I named, but none worked for her, only Buddhism did. Xuchilbara ( talk) 04:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Can we get sources on that? Its news to me. And in any case, I think the
Kabbalah tags should be removed.
Xuchilbara (
talk) 14:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Well it might be the at least one of her parents are only of partly Jewish descent, so that her own Jewish element is pretty distant, but i don't think she would just make up something like that, unless she was misquoted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.210.223 ( talk) 13:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, I gained access to Paula Fox's memoir via Google Books and found the content about Douglas Fairbanks on page 37. Fox's paternal grandmother (Love's great-great-grandmother) Mary Letitia Finch, was the sister of Fairbanks' mother, who married an Hungarian Jew who then begat Fairbanks. Y'all are right; Love may think she's a Jew and be distantly related to Fairbainks (who was Jewish), but her family tree doesn't bear that out. I wonder how Love managed to read that book and come to the conclusion that she was Jewish -- Foetusized ( talk) 01:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Looks like vandalism.. Stonesour025 ( talk) 07:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Especially considering the nebulous and varying colloquial definitions of "hooking up," I strongly suggest someone work on this, and on the rest of the article for similar reasons. I'm not against a slightly more casual tone/style here than in other articles in WP, but this example doesn't come off so much casual as it does 16-year-old's-drunken-phone-conversation-style, which is about as unencyclopedic as I can imagine in a scenario where actual words are still involved. Thanks so much! Sugarbat ( talk) 00:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
When you said Courtney's relationship with Kurt was "prolific", did you mean "high profile" or something like that? Coz I don't think prolific means what you think it means... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deb White ( talk • contribs) 03:34, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
She at one stage lived in Nelson New Zealand and went to Nelson Girls college. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.91.184.4 ( talk) 03:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Shortly after 9-11, Courtney Love was being interviewed on the Howard Stern Show. She claimed that she had served in a juvenile hall (juvvie) for shoplifting. She also said that she never completed high school. After 9-11, she said that she wanted to join the Marines, and that she had invested in the stock market (and lost $300,000) to express her patriotism. See http://www.marksfriggin.com/news01/9-17-01.htm#wed.
Is any of this verifiable? Rglovejoy ( talk) 22:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Courntey is in the
Category:Buddhist women, but she is also listed in the
List of Scientologists based on "[...] and Courtney Love, who thanked the church in the sleevenotes of her America's Sweetheart album, are also followers" from
[3].
76.29.59.179 said in
this thread that the above comment was meant to be a joke. Does anyone have more definitive sources for Buddhism and/or Scientology? As it is I'd remove her from the list, since I don't think that "thanked the church" makes her a follower. --
Amalthea
Talk 21:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Maybe I just missed it, but is there no mention of Courtney's first marriage here? Pericolaso ( talk) 22:49, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Courtney Love plays a pretty extensive role in Neil Strauss' book, The Game. She actually stayed at Project Hollywood for an extensive period of time. I think this should be at least briefly mentioned in the article.
A user, Beautiful&Dying, changed references from "Nobody's Daughter" to "Nobodies Daughter". Anyone heard of this? I can't find mention of it anywhere online, but figured I'd check before reverting it all. Tarc ( talk) 14:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
On the Graham Norton Show last night Courtney Love said that after she was rejected by the Mickey Mouse club she moved to Japan where she was a stripper at 13 years old. Does anyone know if it's true, or was it just a story she made up? ABart26 ( talk) 04:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I've requested temporary semi-protection for the article, after a week where over 50% of the edits have been vandalism from brand-new and anon editors, including several WP:BLP violations of the "OMG SHE KILLED KURDT" variety. We can re-request this after the initial five days are up, if the vandalism starts back up -- Foetusized ( talk) 14:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if this is vandalism or a legitimate mistake, but under family background it states: "retaining no contact with her birth father or her birth mother, who she discovered was the children’s writer Andreas Stylianou"
can someone categorize her as jewish american musicians? it is already known that she comes from a jewsih family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthacohen ( talk • contribs) 09:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
She does NOT come from a Jewish family, nor does she have any know Jewish! She was claiming at one point that her grandmother Paula Fox was Jewish, and that turned out not to be the truth.( 24.62.224.219 ( talk) 03:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC))
The link for Andreas Stylianou is to a male "Cypriot Football Player", not to a female children's writer. I don't know enough to edit this since I don't know what is fact and what is mistake or vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.196.61 ( talk) 03:22, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Why no mention of Summerhill? Courtney talked of it at the Oxford Union so I came to Wikipedia to find out more and there is no mention of it. I don't like to edit "other writers" pages so discuss it first. Whoever looks after this page can you please put in about Summerhill. With links to Summerhill_School please. 86.129.205.114 ( talk) 20:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC) sorry wasnt logged in Robotics1 ( talk) 20:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I copy-edited this section per the rules of WP:MOS and noted in particular that a citation is needed to the forthcoming appearances. I did a second edit to follow up that removed the Template:Copy edit tag that was in place from June 2008. I assert that this section is now grammatically and MoS compliant and no longer requires copy editing. I believe that the capitalization of the section headings throughout in this article are not completely MoS compliant but I will fix those under a different edit. If there are any objections to the removal of the Copyedit tag, please bring them to my attention. Xblkx ( talk) 03:59, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
According to the BBC News, Courtney Love (which is a stage name) is changing her name to Courtney Michelle, her given first and middle name. The article is here, and as of now has not been retracted: [6]. This was reverted based on a Twitter post ( diff & diff). My main question is, since when did Twitter become a "better cite" than the BBC News? -- Foetusized ( talk) 23:56, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
How come there is nothing on her killing Kurt Cobain. There is a published book as a source and you can't say that it is just rumors because regardless it is a published source and if it is not good enough then why not delete the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_and_Death:_The_Murder_of_Kurt_Cobain. This article is very biased and I get labeled as vandalising the page. You guys should really fix it I tried wikis be bold thing and got put as vandalism. So yeah go do as I demand and write something up or give me a logical reason as to why there can be no mention of her possible involvement. Cocobain ( talk) 04:06, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I started to watch this show because of the Nirvana connection, but about half way through it really turned into an indictment of Courtney Love.[ [7]] I have no idea if this set out to be a hit piece or not, but so far as I could tell the film maker was just looking to find mutual friends to get info, until almost each and every one described Love as such things as "a harpy", Kurt_&_Courtney "a Vampire". Everyone who knew them then, (even her father) almost without exception said she was someone looking to use others and eventually caused the death of Kurt Cobain, if not killed him herself by being such a shrew. The most striking comment came from someone who seemed to count himself lucky to not have ended up like Kurt[ [8]]. He said "what else could Kurt have done living with her". The implication being it's better to blow your brains out than to keep living with Courtney Love. In my opinion there are evil people in the world who are the equivalent of parasitic or a "vampire", but for her sake I sincerely hope Courtney love is not, or at least is no longer the person who is described in this documentary. One way or another maybe a local D.A. should have a talk with her. --A. Renner 16:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Renner8592 ( talk • contribs)
Anybody has any information about her guitar/amp equipment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.243.130.143 ( talk) 13:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
"She also sounded off on cleaning up her messy Wikipedia page: "I just want what awards I got . . . who I [bleeped] -- on the record -- or who said nice things about [bleep ing] me. And how many hits I've had. And that's it." [9]
I'm against making this article unreadable, and a user has decided to do just that (IMO). By attempting to put the subject's entire life story into one simple timeline, the article's readability and usefulness as a Encyclopaedic article has been compromised (again, IMO). What's changed: The "Personal Life" section has been deleted, with occassional bits and pieces from it interspersed with information about her career and album releases. This has led to discussions of her religion being placed into a section called "Solo career" and horrible passages like this: "Love was released from house arrest on February 3, 2006 ... Love, a practicing Buddhist, credited the religion as having "saved her life" following the rehab and house arrest.[11][89] Love has been quoted saying that she began practicing the religion as early as 1991.[11]"
Should an item about her being a practising Buddhist be placed in the timeline at 1991? Or in the timeline at 2006? The author who attempted to merged these two sections apparently can't make up his mind. It's now an unreadable mess IMO. I suggest a new formatting so that items are placed into individual sections (e.g. "Career", "Personal life", etc.). Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker ( talk) 16:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
The wiki page of Courtney Love is downright unnecessary. There are so many things about this page that are irrelevant. There are entire sections that need to go. This doesn't look like the wiki page of an actor or mainly, a musician. That's why that entire "Personal Life/Beliefs" section needs to go, especially health. There's no reason for a health section or the emphasis of the custody battle, it just needs to go. Whoever is writing this page is being unfair and does not like this woman. It's not right. I would really love to clean up this page and I promise it will be as professional as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faithful87 ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
01:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottdoesntknow ( talk • contribs)
Why is this under the "Music" section? It apparently deals with her public breakdown, drug usage and arrest (and why is it called "The Letterman Years" anyway? Only Love refers to the breakdown that way... This isn't her personal blog). Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker ( talk) 04:04, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it's worth mentioning that she's the target of a "groundbreaking" lawsuit regarding her Twitter "rants"? Links:
Maybe someone wants to write something about this? Johnny "ThunderPeel2001" Walker ( talk) 04:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
The name of the place where Courtney Love is playing in the photo - incorrectly spelled Ottowa- is actually Ottawa. One of Canada's most prominent cities. Spelling it correctly is important.
( Allababy ( talk) 11:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC))
An unhappy looking five year old Courtney Love appears in the foreground of the B/W group photo on the rear side of the early Grateful Dead album AoxomoxoA (spelling ?) Documentation can be found in the Wiki article on the album ( "Courtney Love on Grateful Dead Album Cover", Snopes.com and others). I think that it's an interesting fact that could be worked into the paragraph on her childhood or listed as a trivia item. I am not adding myself as the article is semi-protected but perhaps someone who is more vested in the article will add. Seki1949 ( talk) 02:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Either Rolling Stone said that or they didn't. The former wording seemed to be trying to suggest that a foreign left-wing newspaper couldn't be trusted - in which case why are we including the quote at all?