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"In January 2011, while attending an Oxford Union debate, Love publicly endorsed her support of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, and called it "a step in the right direction for democracy".[130]" This is incorrect, is was an Oxford University Conservative Association debate (even the sources says this). It should also be noted that she became a member of the Conservative Association. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesLawson1337 ( talk • contribs) 13:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Greyhound bus service DOES NOT depart from Anchorage, Alaska! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.112.77 ( talk) 13:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Here are some subtle inaccuracies that make the substance abuse paragraph tough on the eyes of anal retentive pharmacists:
"According to Love, "Later that day Jennifer gulped down a bunch of dilaudid and overdosed." -Dilaudid is a brand name; the 'd' needs to be capitalized.
"Love has also admitted to abusing rohypnol and other opiates.[15][108]" -Rohypnol is also a brand name. But, to be consistent with the rest of the paragraph in referring to drugs by their generic name, it should really say "abusing flunitrazepam." - Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) is not an opiate. It is a benzodiazepine. Reference 108 says Love admitted to abusing Oxycontin, an opiate. So, I think what the author is trying to say is: "Love has admitted to abusing flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) and the opiate, oxycodone (Oxycontin)"
I don't know if you need a citation for this but it's very simply verified with a Google search. Drugbank.ca is a great source for verifying such stuff too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.136.140 ( talk) 17:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I have worked on this article tremendously (beyond tremendously), and I think it's time for a nomination. It's pretty darn clean if you ask me. Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 11:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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I'll take a look and start to leave some comments within the next few days. I am taking on board a batch of reviews, so it may be some time before I start to comment. I am also by nature a fairly slow and thorough reviewer who likes to check out sources, so this is unlikely to be quick. However, I am always willing to help out on the editing, and will make direct minor adjustments myself rather than list them. I always welcome discussion, and see the review process as entirely collaborative. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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On holdThere is a lot of information in this article, and it is well organised. I have yet to check sources for accuracy and balance of coverage. I am putting on hold for an initial seven days for the presentation issues to be dealt with:
I will try to help out if I get the time. Any questions or queries please feel free to ping my talkpage. SilkTork ✔Tea time 18:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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To make it easier to see what still needs doing, and to see if I can pass the article as it stands now, I'm starting afresh. I have implemented many of the suggestions mentioned above, though some still need doing. It helps to clear the blackboard, and make a new list. SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
This review has gone on for over a month, so it would be good to see this closed one way or the other. Whatever the final result the article has improved during the GAN, and I've been pleased to see that the reader's Page ratings have gone up considerably over the past month. A concerted effort by the main contributors should see this listed. Putting on hold for a week to allow time to build the lead, and do the copy-editing and trimming this is required. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:44, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Despite requesting assistance from all the related WikiProjects, main contributors and recent contributors, there has been no progress, indeed the article has gone backwards. This GAN has gone on for over a month, and though Scottdoesntknow has done some good work, there has been no support from anyone else, and it has not been possible to do everything necessary to get the article to meet GA criteria. I dislike failing an article after time and effort has been put into it, but progress has now stopped, and there is still a lot of work to be done. When the work has been done the article can be nominated again. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC) Better coordination between Love's acting career and filmography listings would improve this article. 66.31.143.239 ( talk) 15:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
She's of part Russian Jewish roots. http://www.silver.ru/air/programmes/mishanina/interview/21323/ 1st audio 14:35 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.106.152.183 ( talk) 15:45, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
The disputed entry is:
"Despite allegations of complicity in the death of Kurt Cobain, no charges have ever been filed against Love to support such claims. The official ruling in Cobain's death stands as suicide"
Arguing that it's "poorly sourced gossip" is tempting, if dishonest. The testimony of a licensed private investigator (not to mention a former L.A. County sheriff's deputy) such as Tom Grant is generally considered reliable primary source. Furthermore, secondary analysis can be found among established, reliable sources (see the Dateline report, for instance). It's also published elsewhere here on Wikipedia, for that matter (see Kurt & Courtney and Love and Death: The Murder of Kurt Cobain). Clearly, no mention whatsoever on this page would be in fact be an awkward omission; for the sake of continuity, some sort of reference belongs in the article. Whittle it down to something more palatable, if you care to - whatever works best in the article. But put *something* there. Sebastian Garth ( talk) 04:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Very well then, I'm going to reinstate the material until more compelling arguments against it are put forward. Sebastian Garth ( talk) 02:45, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Would someone be so kind to point out specific wording in the policy - or is that just asking too much? I do realize that this is a sensitive subject and I'm more than willing to discuss all of the relevant issues of adding such content to a BLP. I would appreciate it if we could avoid the ad hominem attacks in the meantime though... Sebastian Garth ( talk) 23:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Call me crazy, but it seems like this page is under attack by stark raving-mad fanatics who seem to despise Ms. Love. I can't tell you how many times I see "citation needed" pop up on here whenever there is an even slightly positive statement made about the woman or her work. There are constant arguments and a back-and-forth of people posting the "case" of Cobain's alleged "murder" and users are constantly nit-picking this article apart. For example, someone placed a "citation needed" after a sentence stating that Hole went on a tour to promote their album. WHY on earth does that need a citation? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not STANDARD for a band to tour after they release an album on a major label? It's their biggest money-maker, actually. I can't help but feel that if such a statement were made on any other musician's page, it wouldn't be disputed or argued, but BECAUSE it is Courtney Love, people are going to insist that every little detail is cited fifteen times over. Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 22:50, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
The article makes a pretty bold claim that Love was a stripper at age 16, and I would think that a claim in a BLP that somebody was an underage sex worker would require strong verification. Instead, the only cite given is the web page of a Portland strip club which 1) is a self-published source and doesn't really meet the standards of WP:VERIFY and WP:RELIABLE (unless the article is on the strip club itself, which this isn't), and 2) the only thing it says about her is "Courtney Love is one example - she danced here in the 1980's as 'Michelle.'" Note that it says "1980's" not "1980" - a big difference. Unless a source can be found for this claim from a more reliable biographical source, I suggest it be dropped.
Also, Love would have had to have been older than 16 when she wrote articles for Maximumrocknroll, as the magazine didn't even *begin publishing* until 1982, when Love would have been 17 or 18. Iamcuriousblue ( talk) 06:47, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
It was previously used on the article: "Although some sources give Love's birth name as "Love Michelle Harrison", her listing on the California Birth Index from the Center for Health Statistics gives a birth name of "Courtney Michelle Harrison". Between adoptions from several stepfathers, she has also gone by the names "Courtney Michelle Rodriguez" and "Courtney Michelle Menely". The name change to "Courtney Michelle Love" happened in early 1990s, in the beginning of her musical career and after the end of her first marriage (of which the legal records still feature the name "Courtney Michelle Menely"). According to the same statistics list above, the birth status of Courtney's 1992 born daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, already include "Love" as the mother's maiden surname." Israell ( talk) 08:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Should there be any mention of Ms. Love's recent claims on Twitter, including accusing Dave Grohl of having seduced Frances Bean Cobain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.93.175 ( talk) 15:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
The issue in question: "Harrison at some point claimed to be the granddaughter of Marlon Brando." The name "Harrison" refers to her father, Hank Harrison, not Courtney (referred to as Love). Furthermore, it was her mother who stated this in 2003, as per the source: http://www.film1.nl/blog/4646-Is-Marlon-Brando-de-opa-van-Courtney-Love.html. I'm not sure if the person sourcing the content had mistranslated or just was confused. In any event, it should read as follows: "In 2003, Carroll claimed that Love was the granddaughter of Marlon Brando." or something of that nature. I would make the revision myself, however I am yet to be confirmed as a member. Thank you for your consideration. ZacJB ( talk) 22:03, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Courtney Love has claimed that she has frozen the page and only she can edit the page. Is this true? Because I see a lot of editors. -- Muppet321 ( talk) 21:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello, can we relook at the introductory paragraphs? There have been huge improvements, but I still find the middle paragraph extremely problematic.
My understanding is that the intro section should highlight the major events of an artist's personal and professional career. Do we need to mention: Alex Cox, Woody Harrelson, every album title, and rehab?
Love began her acting career in independent films in the 1980s and refocussed her career on acting in the mid-1990s. In 1996 Love was nominated for a Golden Globe for her performance in The People vs. Larry Flynt.
- If we mention her solo albums, they should be in the first paragraph (which is about music)
After the dissolution of Hole (2002), Love went on to release a solo album and in 2009 reformed Hole as the sole returning member.
- Also there is a date discrepancy throughout the article - the index and heading says reformation 2008 but the article says 2009.
- If we are mentioning Love's drug addiction, maybe we can use Keith Richard's wikipedia entry as the template?
- Will we just be updating the last line with each current project Love is working on? (This is a legitimate question).
In 2012, she debuted an art exhibit featuring a collection of her own paintings and drawings titled "And She's Not Even Pretty".
Please advise, thanks. Edit-editor-editing ( talk) 14:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Courtney Michelle Love (born Courtney Michelle Harrison; July 9, 1964)[1] is an American singer-songwriter, musician, actress and artist.
Love initially gained notoriety in the Los Angeles indie rock scene with her band Hole, which she formed in 1989 with Eric Erlandson. Their debut album, Pretty on the Inside (1991) garnered critical praise, and they went on to achieve international critical and commercial success with their albums, Live Through This (1994) and Celebrity Skin (1998). After the dissolution of Hole in 2002, Love went on to release a solo album and in 2009 reformed Hole as the sole returning member.
In the 1980s Love began her career in acting, originally landing small roles in Alex Cox films. In 1996, Love starred in The People vs. Larry Flynt and was nominated for a Golden Globe for her performance. In addition to music and acting, Love is also a published author and artist. In 2012, she debuted an art exhibit featuring a collection of her own paintings and drawings titled "And She's Not Even Pretty".
Love was married to Kurt Cobain, frontman of the grunge band Nirvana, with whom she has a daughter, Frances Bean Cobain.[6] Throughout her career, Love's wild stage antics, subversive feminist attitude, and substance abuse issues have polarized audiences and critics,[7][8] with Rolling Stone once calling her "the most controversial woman in the history of rock."[9][10]
cheers, Edit-editor-editing ( talk) 16:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone else find it kind of disconcerting that the page ratings for Courtney Love's Wiki are consistently low? This is a pretty well-rounded and densely referenced article, and I can't help but think that the reason for the low ratings is due to the non-inclusion of conspiracy theories about Kurt Cobain's death. If you take a look at Cobain's article, it is heavy in detail about his critical and cultural acclaim and appreciation (almost leaning, in my opinion, away from article neutrality), and has consistently high ratings in all four categories. Meanwhile, Love's article is more matter-of-fact and pruned in detail compared to Cobain's article, and yet it currently has a 1.0 rating in terms of Trustworthiness and Objectiveness (which is funny since the article is HEAVILY referenced with REPUTABLE sources at the insistence of so many Wikipedia users, and doesn't overtly praise nor criticize her), and has 2.0 ratings for Completeness and "Well-Written". Anyone else catching onto this? I have a feeling disgruntled Cobain fanatics frequent the page and throw tomatoes because it doesn't come out and call her a coldblooded killer. Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 08:36, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
It is currently being discussed whether it is a violation of BLP to mention Love's accusations against Hank Harrison on the talkpage of that article. Since this article also mentions those accusations it may be of interest to editors here as well to make sure that both articles are neutral and free of BLP violations. ·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 16:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I've worked laboriously on it off and on for the past several years, and I think the article is really coming full circle. I'd like to nominate it for GA, or have someone else do it, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks it's ready or has suggestions? Thanks! Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 17:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I should hope not, it is one of the more absurd articles on Wikipedia, reading more like a magazine article written by a fawning reporter, than any sort encyclopedic entry. But, don't lose hope. Judging by your ability to obsess over her and spend a lot of time making sure she is perceived as positively as possible, to the point of lunacy, I'm sure you could be her PR consultant or something in that vein. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.42.161 ( talk) 00:42, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The part about her being in the Alex Cox movies is referenced by three article on George Kuchar, which reveal nothing about Love's roles in them. They were minor. Here's a reference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2725377.stm Correcting it won't take away from Love's appeal. Please change.-- 108.27.62.122 ( talk) 01:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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"In January 2011, while attending an Oxford Union debate, Love publicly endorsed her support of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, and called it "a step in the right direction for democracy".[130]" This is incorrect, is was an Oxford University Conservative Association debate (even the sources says this). It should also be noted that she became a member of the Conservative Association. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesLawson1337 ( talk • contribs) 13:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Greyhound bus service DOES NOT depart from Anchorage, Alaska! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.112.77 ( talk) 13:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Here are some subtle inaccuracies that make the substance abuse paragraph tough on the eyes of anal retentive pharmacists:
"According to Love, "Later that day Jennifer gulped down a bunch of dilaudid and overdosed." -Dilaudid is a brand name; the 'd' needs to be capitalized.
"Love has also admitted to abusing rohypnol and other opiates.[15][108]" -Rohypnol is also a brand name. But, to be consistent with the rest of the paragraph in referring to drugs by their generic name, it should really say "abusing flunitrazepam." - Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) is not an opiate. It is a benzodiazepine. Reference 108 says Love admitted to abusing Oxycontin, an opiate. So, I think what the author is trying to say is: "Love has admitted to abusing flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) and the opiate, oxycodone (Oxycontin)"
I don't know if you need a citation for this but it's very simply verified with a Google search. Drugbank.ca is a great source for verifying such stuff too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.136.140 ( talk) 17:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
I have worked on this article tremendously (beyond tremendously), and I think it's time for a nomination. It's pretty darn clean if you ask me. Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 11:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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I'll take a look and start to leave some comments within the next few days. I am taking on board a batch of reviews, so it may be some time before I start to comment. I am also by nature a fairly slow and thorough reviewer who likes to check out sources, so this is unlikely to be quick. However, I am always willing to help out on the editing, and will make direct minor adjustments myself rather than list them. I always welcome discussion, and see the review process as entirely collaborative. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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On holdThere is a lot of information in this article, and it is well organised. I have yet to check sources for accuracy and balance of coverage. I am putting on hold for an initial seven days for the presentation issues to be dealt with:
I will try to help out if I get the time. Any questions or queries please feel free to ping my talkpage. SilkTork ✔Tea time 18:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
To make it easier to see what still needs doing, and to see if I can pass the article as it stands now, I'm starting afresh. I have implemented many of the suggestions mentioned above, though some still need doing. It helps to clear the blackboard, and make a new list. SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
This review has gone on for over a month, so it would be good to see this closed one way or the other. Whatever the final result the article has improved during the GAN, and I've been pleased to see that the reader's Page ratings have gone up considerably over the past month. A concerted effort by the main contributors should see this listed. Putting on hold for a week to allow time to build the lead, and do the copy-editing and trimming this is required. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:44, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Despite requesting assistance from all the related WikiProjects, main contributors and recent contributors, there has been no progress, indeed the article has gone backwards. This GAN has gone on for over a month, and though Scottdoesntknow has done some good work, there has been no support from anyone else, and it has not been possible to do everything necessary to get the article to meet GA criteria. I dislike failing an article after time and effort has been put into it, but progress has now stopped, and there is still a lot of work to be done. When the work has been done the article can be nominated again. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:33, 10 November 2011 (UTC) Better coordination between Love's acting career and filmography listings would improve this article. 66.31.143.239 ( talk) 15:24, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
She's of part Russian Jewish roots. http://www.silver.ru/air/programmes/mishanina/interview/21323/ 1st audio 14:35 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.106.152.183 ( talk) 15:45, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
The disputed entry is:
"Despite allegations of complicity in the death of Kurt Cobain, no charges have ever been filed against Love to support such claims. The official ruling in Cobain's death stands as suicide"
Arguing that it's "poorly sourced gossip" is tempting, if dishonest. The testimony of a licensed private investigator (not to mention a former L.A. County sheriff's deputy) such as Tom Grant is generally considered reliable primary source. Furthermore, secondary analysis can be found among established, reliable sources (see the Dateline report, for instance). It's also published elsewhere here on Wikipedia, for that matter (see Kurt & Courtney and Love and Death: The Murder of Kurt Cobain). Clearly, no mention whatsoever on this page would be in fact be an awkward omission; for the sake of continuity, some sort of reference belongs in the article. Whittle it down to something more palatable, if you care to - whatever works best in the article. But put *something* there. Sebastian Garth ( talk) 04:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Very well then, I'm going to reinstate the material until more compelling arguments against it are put forward. Sebastian Garth ( talk) 02:45, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Would someone be so kind to point out specific wording in the policy - or is that just asking too much? I do realize that this is a sensitive subject and I'm more than willing to discuss all of the relevant issues of adding such content to a BLP. I would appreciate it if we could avoid the ad hominem attacks in the meantime though... Sebastian Garth ( talk) 23:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Call me crazy, but it seems like this page is under attack by stark raving-mad fanatics who seem to despise Ms. Love. I can't tell you how many times I see "citation needed" pop up on here whenever there is an even slightly positive statement made about the woman or her work. There are constant arguments and a back-and-forth of people posting the "case" of Cobain's alleged "murder" and users are constantly nit-picking this article apart. For example, someone placed a "citation needed" after a sentence stating that Hole went on a tour to promote their album. WHY on earth does that need a citation? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not STANDARD for a band to tour after they release an album on a major label? It's their biggest money-maker, actually. I can't help but feel that if such a statement were made on any other musician's page, it wouldn't be disputed or argued, but BECAUSE it is Courtney Love, people are going to insist that every little detail is cited fifteen times over. Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 22:50, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
The article makes a pretty bold claim that Love was a stripper at age 16, and I would think that a claim in a BLP that somebody was an underage sex worker would require strong verification. Instead, the only cite given is the web page of a Portland strip club which 1) is a self-published source and doesn't really meet the standards of WP:VERIFY and WP:RELIABLE (unless the article is on the strip club itself, which this isn't), and 2) the only thing it says about her is "Courtney Love is one example - she danced here in the 1980's as 'Michelle.'" Note that it says "1980's" not "1980" - a big difference. Unless a source can be found for this claim from a more reliable biographical source, I suggest it be dropped.
Also, Love would have had to have been older than 16 when she wrote articles for Maximumrocknroll, as the magazine didn't even *begin publishing* until 1982, when Love would have been 17 or 18. Iamcuriousblue ( talk) 06:47, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
It was previously used on the article: "Although some sources give Love's birth name as "Love Michelle Harrison", her listing on the California Birth Index from the Center for Health Statistics gives a birth name of "Courtney Michelle Harrison". Between adoptions from several stepfathers, she has also gone by the names "Courtney Michelle Rodriguez" and "Courtney Michelle Menely". The name change to "Courtney Michelle Love" happened in early 1990s, in the beginning of her musical career and after the end of her first marriage (of which the legal records still feature the name "Courtney Michelle Menely"). According to the same statistics list above, the birth status of Courtney's 1992 born daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, already include "Love" as the mother's maiden surname." Israell ( talk) 08:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Should there be any mention of Ms. Love's recent claims on Twitter, including accusing Dave Grohl of having seduced Frances Bean Cobain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.93.175 ( talk) 15:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
The issue in question: "Harrison at some point claimed to be the granddaughter of Marlon Brando." The name "Harrison" refers to her father, Hank Harrison, not Courtney (referred to as Love). Furthermore, it was her mother who stated this in 2003, as per the source: http://www.film1.nl/blog/4646-Is-Marlon-Brando-de-opa-van-Courtney-Love.html. I'm not sure if the person sourcing the content had mistranslated or just was confused. In any event, it should read as follows: "In 2003, Carroll claimed that Love was the granddaughter of Marlon Brando." or something of that nature. I would make the revision myself, however I am yet to be confirmed as a member. Thank you for your consideration. ZacJB ( talk) 22:03, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Courtney Love has claimed that she has frozen the page and only she can edit the page. Is this true? Because I see a lot of editors. -- Muppet321 ( talk) 21:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello, can we relook at the introductory paragraphs? There have been huge improvements, but I still find the middle paragraph extremely problematic.
My understanding is that the intro section should highlight the major events of an artist's personal and professional career. Do we need to mention: Alex Cox, Woody Harrelson, every album title, and rehab?
Love began her acting career in independent films in the 1980s and refocussed her career on acting in the mid-1990s. In 1996 Love was nominated for a Golden Globe for her performance in The People vs. Larry Flynt.
- If we mention her solo albums, they should be in the first paragraph (which is about music)
After the dissolution of Hole (2002), Love went on to release a solo album and in 2009 reformed Hole as the sole returning member.
- Also there is a date discrepancy throughout the article - the index and heading says reformation 2008 but the article says 2009.
- If we are mentioning Love's drug addiction, maybe we can use Keith Richard's wikipedia entry as the template?
- Will we just be updating the last line with each current project Love is working on? (This is a legitimate question).
In 2012, she debuted an art exhibit featuring a collection of her own paintings and drawings titled "And She's Not Even Pretty".
Please advise, thanks. Edit-editor-editing ( talk) 14:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Courtney Michelle Love (born Courtney Michelle Harrison; July 9, 1964)[1] is an American singer-songwriter, musician, actress and artist.
Love initially gained notoriety in the Los Angeles indie rock scene with her band Hole, which she formed in 1989 with Eric Erlandson. Their debut album, Pretty on the Inside (1991) garnered critical praise, and they went on to achieve international critical and commercial success with their albums, Live Through This (1994) and Celebrity Skin (1998). After the dissolution of Hole in 2002, Love went on to release a solo album and in 2009 reformed Hole as the sole returning member.
In the 1980s Love began her career in acting, originally landing small roles in Alex Cox films. In 1996, Love starred in The People vs. Larry Flynt and was nominated for a Golden Globe for her performance. In addition to music and acting, Love is also a published author and artist. In 2012, she debuted an art exhibit featuring a collection of her own paintings and drawings titled "And She's Not Even Pretty".
Love was married to Kurt Cobain, frontman of the grunge band Nirvana, with whom she has a daughter, Frances Bean Cobain.[6] Throughout her career, Love's wild stage antics, subversive feminist attitude, and substance abuse issues have polarized audiences and critics,[7][8] with Rolling Stone once calling her "the most controversial woman in the history of rock."[9][10]
cheers, Edit-editor-editing ( talk) 16:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone else find it kind of disconcerting that the page ratings for Courtney Love's Wiki are consistently low? This is a pretty well-rounded and densely referenced article, and I can't help but think that the reason for the low ratings is due to the non-inclusion of conspiracy theories about Kurt Cobain's death. If you take a look at Cobain's article, it is heavy in detail about his critical and cultural acclaim and appreciation (almost leaning, in my opinion, away from article neutrality), and has consistently high ratings in all four categories. Meanwhile, Love's article is more matter-of-fact and pruned in detail compared to Cobain's article, and yet it currently has a 1.0 rating in terms of Trustworthiness and Objectiveness (which is funny since the article is HEAVILY referenced with REPUTABLE sources at the insistence of so many Wikipedia users, and doesn't overtly praise nor criticize her), and has 2.0 ratings for Completeness and "Well-Written". Anyone else catching onto this? I have a feeling disgruntled Cobain fanatics frequent the page and throw tomatoes because it doesn't come out and call her a coldblooded killer. Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 08:36, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
It is currently being discussed whether it is a violation of BLP to mention Love's accusations against Hank Harrison on the talkpage of that article. Since this article also mentions those accusations it may be of interest to editors here as well to make sure that both articles are neutral and free of BLP violations. ·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 16:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I've worked laboriously on it off and on for the past several years, and I think the article is really coming full circle. I'd like to nominate it for GA, or have someone else do it, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks it's ready or has suggestions? Thanks! Scottdoesntknow ( talk) 17:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I should hope not, it is one of the more absurd articles on Wikipedia, reading more like a magazine article written by a fawning reporter, than any sort encyclopedic entry. But, don't lose hope. Judging by your ability to obsess over her and spend a lot of time making sure she is perceived as positively as possible, to the point of lunacy, I'm sure you could be her PR consultant or something in that vein. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.252.42.161 ( talk) 00:42, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The part about her being in the Alex Cox movies is referenced by three article on George Kuchar, which reveal nothing about Love's roles in them. They were minor. Here's a reference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2725377.stm Correcting it won't take away from Love's appeal. Please change.-- 108.27.62.122 ( talk) 01:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)