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- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: No move. This was a malformed request. I attempted again in a clearer way at Talk:Caregiver in response to a suggestion that I do this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:23, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Caregiving →
Caregiving (sociology) – This article is currently titled "caregiving" while another article is titled "
Caregiver". The content of these articles are completely different concepts. Confusingly, in discussion of either of these distinct concepts, these words are used interchangeably so effectively both articles have the same name. Consequently one should be moved.
I propose to move this one because it describes the general sociological concept of caring for another person, which is the more narrow and less popular topic. The content of this article discusses an academic concept in sociology which is of limited interest outside of academic discussion. In August 2014 this article got 2300 pageviews. I expect that many of those pageviews were people searching for the article currently at "caregiver".
The caregiver article is about the social role of providing mostly physical care to another person. While this is also a sociological concept, it is also a major financial sector in every economy, a target of regulation and legislation on national and international levels, and a field of health care specialization and professional practice. In August 2014 this article got 9900 views. Most articles to be found in Google Scholar by searching for either "caregiving" or "caregiver" are about the concept of providing physical assistance to a person with a disability.
I want people who look for this article to find it but I want people who are looking for the more popular and broadly relevant article on "caregiver" to find that one first, so "caregiving" should redirect to "caregiver" and this article should be renamed "Caregiving (sociology)" or disambiguated in any other way. Comments from anyone? Thanks. --Relisted. DrKiernan ( talk) 18:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC) Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose. It is not clear that we need to change anything. There is no proof that anything is broken. Vegaswikian1 ( talk) 20:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Vegaswikian1 The problem is that this article, "caregiving", has content which does not describe the action that the kind of person in the article on "caregiver" does. A typical person might think that a "caregiver" does "caregiving" but these articles describe totally unrelated topics, and this is the kind of thing which is usually disambiguated. Is that more persuasive? Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- NOTE related requested move at talk:caregiver -- 70.51.46.146 ( talk) 04:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose – if you want to propose a joint move that makes sense, use the multiple-move template. Dicklyon ( talk) 03:21, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Caregiver which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 21:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Moved article
I moved this article from "caregiving" to "Caring in intimate relationships". This followed a messy proposal I made to move two articles at once, which confused everyone. There was some support at Talk:Caregiver#Requested_move_-_.22Caregiver.22_to_.22Caregiving.22 for distinguishing this "caregiving" article by changing the name.
The problem is that there are two concepts sometimes called "caregiving" or "caring". The most common concept is tending to a person with a health impairment, most often as a trained or untrained nurse. The less commonly discussed concept is caring in a family situation, like a mother cares for a child. This article is about caring in an intimate relationship, but its title confused a lot of people. I went through Special:WhatLinksHere/Caregiving and checked every article which linked here, and in almost all cases, the articles were referring to the concept of caring for a person who is sick, and not family care. I changed the links in all of those articles and now there is no ambiguity in the title here, and no mistaking that this article is not about doing nurse caregiving.
The title could be changed to something else but as the sources used to create this article are mostly academic and this concept of caring is not as discussed as the nursing concept, and as it uses many names including "caring" and "caregiving", it is not apparent to me what the best name could be. Still, it is a concept distinct from nursing, so that is at least sorted now. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- Solomon, Judith; George, Carol (1996). "Defining the caregiving system: Toward a theory of caregiving". Infant Mental Health Journal. 17 (3): 183–197. doi: 10.1002/(SICI)1097-0355(199623)17:3<183::AID-IMHJ1>3.0.CO;2-Q. ISSN 0163-9641.
- Shaver, ed. by Jude Cassidy, Phillip R. "The caregiving system: A behavioral systems approach to parenting date=2008". Handbook of attachment : theory, research, and clinical applications (2nd ed. ed.). New York: Guilford Press.
ISBN
978-1606230282.
{{ cite book}}:|edition=has extra text ( help);|first1=has generic name ( help); Missing pipe in:|chapter=( help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( link)
Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:36, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: No move. This was a malformed request. I attempted again in a clearer way at Talk:Caregiver in response to a suggestion that I do this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:23, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Caregiving →
Caregiving (sociology) – This article is currently titled "caregiving" while another article is titled "
Caregiver". The content of these articles are completely different concepts. Confusingly, in discussion of either of these distinct concepts, these words are used interchangeably so effectively both articles have the same name. Consequently one should be moved.
I propose to move this one because it describes the general sociological concept of caring for another person, which is the more narrow and less popular topic. The content of this article discusses an academic concept in sociology which is of limited interest outside of academic discussion. In August 2014 this article got 2300 pageviews. I expect that many of those pageviews were people searching for the article currently at "caregiver".
The caregiver article is about the social role of providing mostly physical care to another person. While this is also a sociological concept, it is also a major financial sector in every economy, a target of regulation and legislation on national and international levels, and a field of health care specialization and professional practice. In August 2014 this article got 9900 views. Most articles to be found in Google Scholar by searching for either "caregiving" or "caregiver" are about the concept of providing physical assistance to a person with a disability.
I want people who look for this article to find it but I want people who are looking for the more popular and broadly relevant article on "caregiver" to find that one first, so "caregiving" should redirect to "caregiver" and this article should be renamed "Caregiving (sociology)" or disambiguated in any other way. Comments from anyone? Thanks. --Relisted. DrKiernan ( talk) 18:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC) Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose. It is not clear that we need to change anything. There is no proof that anything is broken. Vegaswikian1 ( talk) 20:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- Vegaswikian1 The problem is that this article, "caregiving", has content which does not describe the action that the kind of person in the article on "caregiver" does. A typical person might think that a "caregiver" does "caregiving" but these articles describe totally unrelated topics, and this is the kind of thing which is usually disambiguated. Is that more persuasive? Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
- NOTE related requested move at talk:caregiver -- 70.51.46.146 ( talk) 04:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose – if you want to propose a joint move that makes sense, use the multiple-move template. Dicklyon ( talk) 03:21, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Caregiver which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 21:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Moved article
I moved this article from "caregiving" to "Caring in intimate relationships". This followed a messy proposal I made to move two articles at once, which confused everyone. There was some support at Talk:Caregiver#Requested_move_-_.22Caregiver.22_to_.22Caregiving.22 for distinguishing this "caregiving" article by changing the name.
The problem is that there are two concepts sometimes called "caregiving" or "caring". The most common concept is tending to a person with a health impairment, most often as a trained or untrained nurse. The less commonly discussed concept is caring in a family situation, like a mother cares for a child. This article is about caring in an intimate relationship, but its title confused a lot of people. I went through Special:WhatLinksHere/Caregiving and checked every article which linked here, and in almost all cases, the articles were referring to the concept of caring for a person who is sick, and not family care. I changed the links in all of those articles and now there is no ambiguity in the title here, and no mistaking that this article is not about doing nurse caregiving.
The title could be changed to something else but as the sources used to create this article are mostly academic and this concept of caring is not as discussed as the nursing concept, and as it uses many names including "caring" and "caregiving", it is not apparent to me what the best name could be. Still, it is a concept distinct from nursing, so that is at least sorted now. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- Solomon, Judith; George, Carol (1996). "Defining the caregiving system: Toward a theory of caregiving". Infant Mental Health Journal. 17 (3): 183–197. doi: 10.1002/(SICI)1097-0355(199623)17:3<183::AID-IMHJ1>3.0.CO;2-Q. ISSN 0163-9641.
- Shaver, ed. by Jude Cassidy, Phillip R. "The caregiving system: A behavioral systems approach to parenting date=2008". Handbook of attachment : theory, research, and clinical applications (2nd ed. ed.). New York: Guilford Press.
ISBN
978-1606230282.
{{ cite book}}:|edition=has extra text ( help);|first1=has generic name ( help); Missing pipe in:|chapter=( help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( link)
Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:36, 9 September 2014 (UTC)