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First off, the cited source says "The Australian and NZ Army Corps took part in the operations at Gallipoli in 1915...Anzac Day became a day of national significance in both countries." (note no mention of Newfoundload). That said, I don't deny that troops from Newfoundland took part, as did indeed British and Indians. I'm sure references can immediately be found for the fact that Newfoundland troops were present. But that is beside the point. This is not a military history article, it's about the British Empire, and this sentence is about the impact that fighting in the Gallipoli campaign had on the transition of Australia and NZ to independence. Now, if you can produce a reference that this occurred too for Newfoundlanders then there is a reason to add Newfoundland here, otherwise there isn't, because otherwise if you include Newfoundlanders for the sole reason that they participated in the campaign, you'd have to include Indians and British too. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 23:32, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
For the soldiers from Britain's oldest colony, Newfoundland, Gallipoli was a baptism of fire that began to cultivate a sense of national identity through military valourNikkimaria ( talk) 04:27, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Red Hat, thanks for catching that. I thought I was undoing what you undid. :D danielkueh ( talk) 23:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no section in this article about the racial hierarchy that was established throughout the Empire and was a fundamental part of the colonial system? To some degree this racial hierarchy is still present today and I recommend anyone who doubts it to read this article in the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/20/race.uk Aaker ( talk) 14:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Okay let's be honest here: England is not and was never really an Empire. Granted, it ruled over many peoples and had hughe lands and colonies, but it was always a "kingdom". "United kingdom" never changed to "United Empire". The same goes for Spain, neither England nor Spain were ruled by emprerors but Kings, it's just a misunderstanding of "Empire" that led people back then to beleive Britain was an Empire. Russia was always an empire, and Japan was also always an Empire, because they were ruled by emperors and not kings. - Didrik, 2012-10-19 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.104.28.63 ( talk) 07:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Isn't worth citing that British Empire backed Portugal in South America colonization, resulting in what we know as Brazil, a portugue-speaking country surrounded by spanish-speaking countries? WIth the help of the British against Spain in Armadas, Portugal managed to grab more territory from Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.88.201 ( talk) 19:49, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I think the article should begin with "what the Empire was" and not "what it comprised or not"... -- E4024 ( talk) 23:32, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Gentlemen, by Wikipedia's own definition, the British empire does by default still exist. I show you here, the wikipedia definition of the term 'Empire'.
"The term empire derives from the Latin imperium (power, authority). Politically, an empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples (ethnic groups) united and ruled either by a monarch (emperor, empress) or an oligarchy.
Aside from the traditional usage, the term empire can be used in an extended sense to denote a large-scale business enterprise (e.g. a transnational corporation), or a political organisation of either national-, regional- or city scale, controlled either by a person (a political boss) or a group authority (political bosses).[1]
An imperial political structure is established and maintained in two ways: (i) as a territorial empire of direct conquest and control with force (direct, physical action to compel the emperor's goals), and (ii) as a coercive, hegemonic empire of indirect conquest and control with power (the perception that the emperor can physically enforce his desired goals). The former provides greater tribute and direct political control, yet limits further expansion because it absorbs military forces to fixed garrisons. The latter provides less tribute and indirect control, but avails military forces for further expansion.[2] Territorial empires (e.g. the Mongol Empire, the Median Empire) tended to be contiguous areas. The term on occasion has been applied to maritime empires or thalassocracies, (e.g. the Athenian and British Empires) with looser structures and more scattered territories."
The current span of worldwide British territory does indeed fit most, if not all of these criteria, and hence I must insist that the idea of the British empire having ended is utterly wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
You allow, therefore, Wikipedia to contradict itself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I do not intend to edit. Just want to point out that there is no such thing as a British Antarctic Territory (in the map we can see that "Current British Overseas Territories have their names underlined in red." and this includes an area in Antarctica). Quite inaccurate. Very British, though.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.140.4.63 ( talk) 03:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
The Queen gives Royal Perogative to the governments of all of these states to govern themselves, and hence, she does rule them, but simply allows them to rule themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.89.43 ( talk) 00:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but please understand that the Queen gives her PREROGATIVE for all of this to happen. I speak of the 14 British overseas territories that still remain, as their constitutions can be revoked and direct control can be taken over them. Take the Turk islands for instance. And as for you, Mr 'Ferrick', if you're incapable of allowing a democratic debate on here, clearly you do not deserve the title that you so insult. Check your talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.106.24 ( talk) 12:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, and despite all this you're continuing to ignore the fact that the government represents the crown, and the crown gives the right to the government to govern. God almighty.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.135.164 ( talk) 20:11, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
The Queen has the power to dissolve parliament and take autocratic control at any time, officially. And you have a point there. How did the French republic have an empire? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Incorrect sir. She can decline to sign any bill, and she can dissolve parliament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
With the ability to dissolve parliament comes the ability to take government. Of course she can't while there is still a parliament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Erm, no, the lord is correct. You're ignoring the fact that the Queen is capable of dissolving parliament AND HENCE the constitution on demand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.105.190 ( talk) 17:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Digression into the legal fictions surrounding the Queen's powers aside, there is logic in what the OP said. As soon as, say, Bermuda voted for independence or Britain handed over the Falklands or whatever, there would be a whole spate of new reliable sources calling THAT the end of the British Empire. The idea that there's a real difference between the current BOTs and crown colonies is kind of a legal fiction in and of itself. But this is all OR and has no place in the article. -- MichiganCharms ( talk) 18:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I see there is still no definition of the British Empire, which is ridiculous. Has there been a "consensus" by the happy few who own this page not to have any definition?
I once inserted a very short, basic one ("The British Empire was a colonial empire that comprised"...) but it was deleted within a minute or two by one of the happy few who own this page.
Encyclopedia Britannica, naturally, has a definition: 'British Empire; a worldwide system of dependencies - colonies, protectorates and other territories - that over a span of three centuries was brought under the sovereignty of the Crown of Great Britain and the domination of the British government.' (Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th ed., 1992).-- Lubiesque ( talk) 13:36, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi this article is FA in Uzbek Wikipedia. Can you change it? MKakaMIRaclo ( talk) 08:05, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I reverted this edit like so [6] because the language is English, while varieties of it are dialects. ie: English language vs List of dialects of the English language. Indeed, the cited source states "about 400 million people have English as their first language" not "varieties of English are the primary languages of up to 400 million people". We could of course say "400 million people have dialects of English as their first language" but that would be unnecessary pedantry for the purposes of this article which is about the British Empire, not regional differences of the English language. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 22:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
...and as for the sentence on emigration from (Southern) China, just realised that it's not sourced at all... we should get one, and then be more specific about exactly what region in China the emigration came from. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 23:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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As empires ruled by the English Crown, where "English" and "British" are currently used interchageably, the British Crown is the successor to the English Crown, so these preceding empires would be confusable with the British one. -- 70.24.250.103 ( talk) 08:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
following essential and well supported facts cannot be denied about britsh empire- 1/ britsh invaded and occupied other countries. word 'occupied' is the technically correct word here. 2/ ppl of occupied countries had no say in how empire was ruled. 3/ britsh exploited others countries assets, resources, and labor, for benefit of uk and its ppl. if anyone objects to word 'exploited' they are free to substitute another word describing use of others' resources to one's benefit. 4/ there were continuous resistance to british occupation (both peaceful and violent) and britsh used various means (violence included)to suppress them. (i purposely do not discuss more controversial subjects in this section but these 4 facts cannot be denied, and i am open to changing words like 'exploitation' if case for a better word is made )
nobody writing for an encyclopedia article about a political/economic entity can omit such essential facts about its state.
but all reference to them are systematically removed whenever they are included in article. most such inclusions took place after exhausting discussions here. various ppl made the case for the inclusion of these facts through the years and months. history of this talk page has several such discussions.
those who object to inclusion of above facts have never been able to advance evidence that all these things did not occur. not surprising since it would be hard to prove that british did not occupy india, kenyans ruled their country during britsh occupation, that british companies were not given exclusive license to mine, plant, etc, in various territories by britsh rulers, that indentured labor did not take place, that australia was not used as a colony for british criminals, etc. etc. iow these essential facts cannot be denied .
but above facts were always removed by a group of entrenched editors.
since no case can be /was made against the facts,they used false attacks against those who argued the case for inclusion of these facts as an excuse for removal. those ppl were branded as 'vandals', 'disruptive', and 'violating the consensus' etc, etc. how can ppl who argue for an enrichment of an article be 'vandals'? how can ppl who respect facts and reason be 'disruptive' to ppl who are of like mind? and where was the consensus reached to exclude undeniable facts from article? so not only were the facts removed from article, but all who persisted in making the case were banned or blocked.
due to this abuse of rules and power by these pro western/pro british entrenched editors, we now have an article that does not refer to how ppl in the empire were ruled and their political and economic condition. instead we have an article that talks about how sun shined on ppl of empire all day!
but all of us who respect facts and want wikipedia to succeed, should persist in their effort to include these facts, even if we get banned and slandered during the effort, that is the cost we must pay so that truth prevails at the end. at the very least we would be exposing the bias of these particular entrenched editors who want to push a pro western/british agenda regardless of truth and facts. even if they prevail in banning truth, we would have exposed a fundamental error in way wikipedia operates. 123.231.95.186 ( talk) 16:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
My issues with this addition "Although political power and influence over the former American colonies was lost after the 1783 Peace of Paris, Britain was able to cement its power through direct rule in India at the expense of the East India Company and in Canada through the Constitutional Act of 1791." are that it's poorly worded and it's just repeating information that can be found elsewhere.
The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 02:02, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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3rd paragraph, 1st sentence error - "The independence of the Thirteen Colonies in North America in 1783 after the American Revolutionary War caused Britain to lose of some of its oldest and most populous colonies." Remove the extra "of". 86.4.159.50 ( talk) 14:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Surely the American Revolutionary War as it is known, is known in British culture as the American War of Independence, surely that is what it should be called on a page for the British Empire? No need to be neutral that is what it is known as. Babydoll9799 ( talk) 18:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
The current wording is not consistent with coverage of other independence movements related to the British Empire, and more importantly it is not consistent with the sources we're using here. I don't see that using common British English terminology (as we do throughout this article) is a neutrality issue, at least not in this context where an article is covering a particular historical perspective. The term should be "War of Independence" and it would obviously link to the article on the "American Revolutionary War" which, as others have noted, already acknowledges alternative terminology. Wiki-Ed ( talk) 09:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Seeing recent revert of edit, which had changed the single-pink tint map inset to lead to a multi-tint map, [10] could we not have both perhaps insetting the multi-tint next to sections 3 and 4? Qexigator ( talk) 05:55, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
IN trying to get the this article into shape. I noticed that a most agregius error was having American independence listed as 1783. De Facto (and De jure) independence took place on July 2, 1776, and the UK officially recognized that fact in 1782. The War of independence began in 1775, nearly eight years prior to the date listed in the article. So why have it listed in an section which allegedly begins in 1783? Also, India was taken over by the East India company well before 1783, in the 1760s, and there is no mention of this....Also, what is Cook's picture doing in a section that begins well after he's dead? The Exploration of the Pacific (why no mention of Francis Drake?) and the American Revolution should be in an earlier section. Ericl ( talk) 16:18, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
An editor, User:Tommy Pinball, has tried to change the wording of the opening sentence from "Britain retains sovereignty over 14 territories outside the British Isles" to "Britain retains sovereignty over 14 territories outside the United Kingdom". This is a tautology, as in this context "Britain" and "the United Kingdom" have identical meanings. The intention is to identify overseas territories - and it's not possible to use terms like "...outside Europe" or "...outside the North Atlantic" because either would also cover Gibraltar. The term " British Isles" is (per multiple discussions) the currently used term to describe the archipelago concerned, and there is no reason to change it here. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:07, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia's "definition": The British Empire comprised the dominions, colonies, protectorates, mandates and other territories ruled or administered by the United Kingdom.
Encyclopaedia Britannica (15th ed. 1992) definition: British Empire: a worldwide system of dependencies -- colonies, protectorates and other territories -- that over a span of three centuries was brought under the sovereignty of the Crown of Great Britain and the administration of the British government.
The key word is sovereignty, which is absent from what passes as the definition in Wikipedia. By saying merely " and other territories ruled or administered by the United Kingdom" it opens the door every now and then to questions such as: What about Cuba and Manila? what about Tripolitania, Java, etc.? Indeed, these territories were "ruled or administered" during certain periods by the United Kingdom, but they were not part of the B. E. because the British Crown never possessed sovereignty over them. The crucial word sovereignty should be introduced.-- Lubiesque ( talk) 12:48, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I know, I should have played in the sand box first. The last entry on that was really poor. But I have now worked on it, refined the details, came up with the important people and situations at the time. This was the last deciding border dispute for the British Empire on the US continent and thus part of the British Empire. Without that treaty, the maps would look different now. It's part of the British Empire. If one goes to Astoria Oregon, one can clearly see and feel the former Crown colony. Please, accept this contribution with relevance for the British Empire. The boundary dispute in the special section is written from the US point of view. This new one I included is not a cheap abstract of what has already been written. It contains two pertinent sources, Canadian and from the premier ministers speeches. Thanks.( Osterluzei ( talk) 15:39, 9 November 2013 (UTC))
OK, just had a look and should comment that that Canadian cite is American-tinged ("Native Americans" is not a CAnadian term, nor is Oregon territory as a description for the region used by British/Columbian historians; it refers in "our" terminology to the Oregon Territory as chartered after the boundary settlement) and though from Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada doesn't get the history of the region right; as is often the case with federal sites or others in Central Canada; BC history has its own context; some major gaffes in that, in fact, I won't bother to enumerate them or explain them. And that bit on Polk is worded as if Manifest Destiny were a given and is out of context in terms of the nature of the British presence...and so much more. IMO this is an important matter enough in imperial history to mention, though in not so much detail or with so much politically-loaded wording...one may be Canadian in location of the URL, but both are USPOV in nature. The Oregon boundary dispute article needs more British-side content/input but I had too many distractions in Wikipedia to continue my work there.....it's largely of Oregonian origin/authorship; British-American rivalry in this region was a major, though obscure, stage of imperial development; but without the British retaining a coastal footprint on North America in this region the All Red Route would never have been created and most of Rupert's Land would have wound up American; and the Royal Navy would not have had the redoubt it did after the Siege of Petropavlosk during the Crimean War. That this was the last region of the globe's coastlines, other than some of Antarctica and bits of the Canadian Arctic, to be put on the map, and the last area where land boundaries is drawn, is highly notable in terms of political geography. There's also the later matter of the Bering Sea Crisis though that was a marine boundary issue, though it did almost bring the US and Britain to pitched warfare (as did the Alaska Boundary Dispute). These matters are largely obscure to eastern ("central") Canadians and mainstream Canadian historical awareness...and the prime ministers were often clueless about the Pacific (as they still are); same with the Colonial Office and Foreign Secretary.....something about this area's role in consolidating the "sun never sets" paradigm has to be mentioned......the San Juan and Alaska disputes matter less in that regard, though American pressure on the BC mainland didn't end for a long time (and still havne't). Skookum1 ( talk) 06:12, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Incroyable ! When I read French colonial empire, I can see pictures about massacres, etc. (which is corect BUT not only). At the opposite, when I look into British Empire in english, sun shines everywhere ! Is « neutrality » an english word ? Or hypocrisy ? Sorry, but I try to figure the article fr:Empire colonial français out : not easy. I thought : they might have some (moral) problems/issues too, regarding their colonial past... -- Spiessens 16:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiessens ( talk • contribs)
At first I was going to raise this question on the Talk page of the actual image but it specified that the Talk page was not for requests for changes in the image. Pink is harder to make out against grey when just glancing at the small version found in this article. Any other color could have been used, such as the colors of the flag, a light red or blue. I was just wondering if it was a huge issue for anyone to make the color slightly darker for those who know how. Cadiomals ( talk) 04:14, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
I've actually seen an image of a flag that actually represented the whole of the British Empire and is featured on flags of the world.com and I think it would be really good if if a Wikipedia version of this flag could be made and featured as the flag that resents the British Empire rather than the Union Jack! ( 90.197.194.14 ( talk) 10:54, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
I think it was more ceremonial rather than a flag that was used in place of the Union Flag, I remember seeing picture of this flag on a website which I thought was flags of the world.com but I must have been mistaken but it was on a website but can't remember which site it was so sorry about that.. I can tell you thou that the flag was smilier to the Royal Navy flag as a white Ensign with the coat of arms for Australia. Cape Colony and Canada on it I believe with a Red Cross dividing the flag into four.( 109.151.114.93 ( talk) 13:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
I have the page now for the image of this flag, it's towards the bottom of the page at http://fotw.fivestarflags.com/gb-colon.html ( 109.151.114.93 ( talk) 13:12, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
I am aware of the uncertainty but I think the flag is still worth recreating as it did exist for some propose even if it was only for ceremonial proposes. ( 109.151.114.93 ( talk) 13:41, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
Fair enough I am happy to let things rest there with the British Empire, I have no wish to cause trouble however on a more important note I was wondering if any of you guys could be very willing and take on a project on a neighbouring article called Flags of the British Empire a page where we are trying to develop a place for all the former colonial flags of the British Empire and its Dominions and territories which was started over two years ago and although its just starting to look like a proper reference page it needs a lot of attention and I wondered as you there is a lot of attention on this page weither or not it could be put under your wings or the wings of someone who can make it a offical project where we can be a true source of reference to something which is just as important as the History of the Empire as its part of that History! ( 90.197.194.14 ( talk) 16:59, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
I dismantled this edit [11], as it was too vaguely worded and short on specifics. There was already something on Egypt in this section, so anything Middle East related should have gone there, but most importantly the additional material had no mention of the Arab versus Jewish "problem" and the background behind it. Lastly, the supplied reference for the added text - another encyclopaedia - wasn't optimal. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 17:15, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Was there a date when the UK government stopped referring to its overseas territories as an, "Empire"? Thom2002 ( talk) 17:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
As part of the FA review, the placement and number of images had to be modified to be in accordance with the manual of style. Since then, there has been some "image creep" which I'm sure would have to be addressed were this article ever have to undergo a review again. Anyone have any thoughts on this? The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 19:29, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
It seems like the British more like claimed those lands then conquer. I notice some places were highlighted at which Britain never really conquered such as most of Canada the Inuit and a lot of other tribes didnt even get conquered yet. The area around the Great Lakes, and the Western part of the Easern Woodlands in the USA were not even conquered the Iroqoise, Ojibwa and other tribes. Belize just got the their coast conquered beacause a lot of he Maya died but inland their were still Mayas that were not ever conquered by the British and im sure theirs many other areas that were not conquered. NativePride98 ( talk) 02:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I am at a loss. How do I succinctly state the important fact that Virginia is the first colony, in the entire world of England and what will become the British Empire? I was astounded to read, on the Slate website that Jamestown was the first colony of the British Empire. The author of the Slate article quotes William Kelso, directly, as telling, Queen Elizabeth, "Your majesty, this is where the British Empire began, this was not just the first American colony, this was the first colony in the British Empire." To me this is an astonishingly important fact, that as an American I was never taught. Everything that Americans write, read as did this article, emphasizing the importance to the United States, while ignoring the importance to the development of the British Empire.
Please I am not being nasty to the authors. I would have written that first sentence that way, which is exactly my point here. That, that sentence as originally written misses entirely the world-wide historical importance of the founding of Jamestown. This colony was a success, which prompted others in England to want to get in on the profits. There quickly followed other successful colonies, and, though no one at the time knew it, the British Empire began to grow.
It just seems to me to be essential to mention here, that Virginia is the start of not just the United States, but of the British Empire. Nick Beeson ( talk) 15:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
All my life, without exception, I have read the phrase "Jamestown, the first English colony in America" or "North America" or "the New World". Always a qualifier, which explicitly states that there were other English colonies at that time. There were none.
It seems to me that Wikipedia is a world-wide resource. That the American perspective, in the three articles, Virginia, Colony of Virginia, Jamestown, Virginia, should not prevail. That they should say "first permanent colony of England in the world". Is seems to me obvious that readers in Nigeria, India, Australia, Hong Kong, South Africa, New Zealand, to name a few, would see it differently, they would all think it more important that Virginia is the start of the British Empire, not just the start of America.
If you disagree, please state your reasons here. Thanks Nick Beeson ( talk) 16:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
The lede talks about the "height" or peak of the empire's power, and in the next sentence it says "By 1922 the British Empire held sway over about 458 million people". Is 1922 really a good estimate of when the empire peaked? Previously, I had an impression that the peak came somewhat earlier. Novel compound ( talk) 17:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Is it okay if I add a politics/government section which would explain the relation between the colonies and UK? There could also be info about forms of govenrnment, democracy, and society in the colonies/dominions/etc. I understand that the British Empire was not an official country, but there is existing info even on Wikipedia about the politics of the individual dominions, colonies and protectorates, and this article could have a general summary of the colonial politics of areas governed by the British/UK. So before I start to do this I would like to know if there are any objections to expanding the article. Regards -- Ransewiki ( talk) 17:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Why there cant be more information about the British Empire?? It would be useful to have more info easily available in the infobox. It would be much more simple to get basic facts like capital and area and so on without having to scroll the hole page. I am sorry if I´m opening an old argument, but the archives are quite long to search for arguments about the infobox.... Regards -- Ransewiki ( talk) 10:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Note to all editors here, there has been some utter nonsense added of late to the map on Wikimedia Commons, such as Dunkirk being part of the British Empire. Unfortunately if one watches changes to this page, edits to the map go unnoticed. /info/en/?search=File_talk:The_British_Empire.png The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 02:05, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Please help to identify the sitter and painter (1st quarter of the 19th century), thanks! Sdfghkl ( talk) 11:01, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
In the map some users (like me) Added Afghanistan, but it look likes the creator of map is removing Afghanistan. So My question is: Was Afghanistan british? Please answer me ;_; Carcaça Metáliaca ( talk) 18:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I moved the map (back) to Wikipedia, so it can be added to Wikipedia watch lists to make sure nobody sneaks in any original research. [13] The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 00:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
This piece of Sumatra should be marked on the map. It was a British outpost from 1685 until swapped for Dutch Malacca (Melaka) in 1824. 80.3.72.207 ( talk) 21:59, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
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First off, the cited source says "The Australian and NZ Army Corps took part in the operations at Gallipoli in 1915...Anzac Day became a day of national significance in both countries." (note no mention of Newfoundload). That said, I don't deny that troops from Newfoundland took part, as did indeed British and Indians. I'm sure references can immediately be found for the fact that Newfoundland troops were present. But that is beside the point. This is not a military history article, it's about the British Empire, and this sentence is about the impact that fighting in the Gallipoli campaign had on the transition of Australia and NZ to independence. Now, if you can produce a reference that this occurred too for Newfoundlanders then there is a reason to add Newfoundland here, otherwise there isn't, because otherwise if you include Newfoundlanders for the sole reason that they participated in the campaign, you'd have to include Indians and British too. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 23:32, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
For the soldiers from Britain's oldest colony, Newfoundland, Gallipoli was a baptism of fire that began to cultivate a sense of national identity through military valourNikkimaria ( talk) 04:27, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Red Hat, thanks for catching that. I thought I was undoing what you undid. :D danielkueh ( talk) 23:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no section in this article about the racial hierarchy that was established throughout the Empire and was a fundamental part of the colonial system? To some degree this racial hierarchy is still present today and I recommend anyone who doubts it to read this article in the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/sep/20/race.uk Aaker ( talk) 14:05, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Okay let's be honest here: England is not and was never really an Empire. Granted, it ruled over many peoples and had hughe lands and colonies, but it was always a "kingdom". "United kingdom" never changed to "United Empire". The same goes for Spain, neither England nor Spain were ruled by emprerors but Kings, it's just a misunderstanding of "Empire" that led people back then to beleive Britain was an Empire. Russia was always an empire, and Japan was also always an Empire, because they were ruled by emperors and not kings. - Didrik, 2012-10-19 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.104.28.63 ( talk) 07:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Isn't worth citing that British Empire backed Portugal in South America colonization, resulting in what we know as Brazil, a portugue-speaking country surrounded by spanish-speaking countries? WIth the help of the British against Spain in Armadas, Portugal managed to grab more territory from Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.88.201 ( talk) 19:49, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I think the article should begin with "what the Empire was" and not "what it comprised or not"... -- E4024 ( talk) 23:32, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Gentlemen, by Wikipedia's own definition, the British empire does by default still exist. I show you here, the wikipedia definition of the term 'Empire'.
"The term empire derives from the Latin imperium (power, authority). Politically, an empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples (ethnic groups) united and ruled either by a monarch (emperor, empress) or an oligarchy.
Aside from the traditional usage, the term empire can be used in an extended sense to denote a large-scale business enterprise (e.g. a transnational corporation), or a political organisation of either national-, regional- or city scale, controlled either by a person (a political boss) or a group authority (political bosses).[1]
An imperial political structure is established and maintained in two ways: (i) as a territorial empire of direct conquest and control with force (direct, physical action to compel the emperor's goals), and (ii) as a coercive, hegemonic empire of indirect conquest and control with power (the perception that the emperor can physically enforce his desired goals). The former provides greater tribute and direct political control, yet limits further expansion because it absorbs military forces to fixed garrisons. The latter provides less tribute and indirect control, but avails military forces for further expansion.[2] Territorial empires (e.g. the Mongol Empire, the Median Empire) tended to be contiguous areas. The term on occasion has been applied to maritime empires or thalassocracies, (e.g. the Athenian and British Empires) with looser structures and more scattered territories."
The current span of worldwide British territory does indeed fit most, if not all of these criteria, and hence I must insist that the idea of the British empire having ended is utterly wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 14:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
You allow, therefore, Wikipedia to contradict itself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I do not intend to edit. Just want to point out that there is no such thing as a British Antarctic Territory (in the map we can see that "Current British Overseas Territories have their names underlined in red." and this includes an area in Antarctica). Quite inaccurate. Very British, though.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.140.4.63 ( talk) 03:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
The Queen gives Royal Perogative to the governments of all of these states to govern themselves, and hence, she does rule them, but simply allows them to rule themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.89.43 ( talk) 00:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but please understand that the Queen gives her PREROGATIVE for all of this to happen. I speak of the 14 British overseas territories that still remain, as their constitutions can be revoked and direct control can be taken over them. Take the Turk islands for instance. And as for you, Mr 'Ferrick', if you're incapable of allowing a democratic debate on here, clearly you do not deserve the title that you so insult. Check your talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.106.24 ( talk) 12:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, and despite all this you're continuing to ignore the fact that the government represents the crown, and the crown gives the right to the government to govern. God almighty.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.135.164 ( talk) 20:11, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
The Queen has the power to dissolve parliament and take autocratic control at any time, officially. And you have a point there. How did the French republic have an empire? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Incorrect sir. She can decline to sign any bill, and she can dissolve parliament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
With the ability to dissolve parliament comes the ability to take government. Of course she can't while there is still a parliament. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LordOfTheCardies ( talk • contribs) 22:21, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Erm, no, the lord is correct. You're ignoring the fact that the Queen is capable of dissolving parliament AND HENCE the constitution on demand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.105.190 ( talk) 17:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Digression into the legal fictions surrounding the Queen's powers aside, there is logic in what the OP said. As soon as, say, Bermuda voted for independence or Britain handed over the Falklands or whatever, there would be a whole spate of new reliable sources calling THAT the end of the British Empire. The idea that there's a real difference between the current BOTs and crown colonies is kind of a legal fiction in and of itself. But this is all OR and has no place in the article. -- MichiganCharms ( talk) 18:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I see there is still no definition of the British Empire, which is ridiculous. Has there been a "consensus" by the happy few who own this page not to have any definition?
I once inserted a very short, basic one ("The British Empire was a colonial empire that comprised"...) but it was deleted within a minute or two by one of the happy few who own this page.
Encyclopedia Britannica, naturally, has a definition: 'British Empire; a worldwide system of dependencies - colonies, protectorates and other territories - that over a span of three centuries was brought under the sovereignty of the Crown of Great Britain and the domination of the British government.' (Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th ed., 1992).-- Lubiesque ( talk) 13:36, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi this article is FA in Uzbek Wikipedia. Can you change it? MKakaMIRaclo ( talk) 08:05, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I reverted this edit like so [6] because the language is English, while varieties of it are dialects. ie: English language vs List of dialects of the English language. Indeed, the cited source states "about 400 million people have English as their first language" not "varieties of English are the primary languages of up to 400 million people". We could of course say "400 million people have dialects of English as their first language" but that would be unnecessary pedantry for the purposes of this article which is about the British Empire, not regional differences of the English language. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 22:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
...and as for the sentence on emigration from (Southern) China, just realised that it's not sourced at all... we should get one, and then be more specific about exactly what region in China the emigration came from. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 23:15, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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As empires ruled by the English Crown, where "English" and "British" are currently used interchageably, the British Crown is the successor to the English Crown, so these preceding empires would be confusable with the British one. -- 70.24.250.103 ( talk) 08:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
following essential and well supported facts cannot be denied about britsh empire- 1/ britsh invaded and occupied other countries. word 'occupied' is the technically correct word here. 2/ ppl of occupied countries had no say in how empire was ruled. 3/ britsh exploited others countries assets, resources, and labor, for benefit of uk and its ppl. if anyone objects to word 'exploited' they are free to substitute another word describing use of others' resources to one's benefit. 4/ there were continuous resistance to british occupation (both peaceful and violent) and britsh used various means (violence included)to suppress them. (i purposely do not discuss more controversial subjects in this section but these 4 facts cannot be denied, and i am open to changing words like 'exploitation' if case for a better word is made )
nobody writing for an encyclopedia article about a political/economic entity can omit such essential facts about its state.
but all reference to them are systematically removed whenever they are included in article. most such inclusions took place after exhausting discussions here. various ppl made the case for the inclusion of these facts through the years and months. history of this talk page has several such discussions.
those who object to inclusion of above facts have never been able to advance evidence that all these things did not occur. not surprising since it would be hard to prove that british did not occupy india, kenyans ruled their country during britsh occupation, that british companies were not given exclusive license to mine, plant, etc, in various territories by britsh rulers, that indentured labor did not take place, that australia was not used as a colony for british criminals, etc. etc. iow these essential facts cannot be denied .
but above facts were always removed by a group of entrenched editors.
since no case can be /was made against the facts,they used false attacks against those who argued the case for inclusion of these facts as an excuse for removal. those ppl were branded as 'vandals', 'disruptive', and 'violating the consensus' etc, etc. how can ppl who argue for an enrichment of an article be 'vandals'? how can ppl who respect facts and reason be 'disruptive' to ppl who are of like mind? and where was the consensus reached to exclude undeniable facts from article? so not only were the facts removed from article, but all who persisted in making the case were banned or blocked.
due to this abuse of rules and power by these pro western/pro british entrenched editors, we now have an article that does not refer to how ppl in the empire were ruled and their political and economic condition. instead we have an article that talks about how sun shined on ppl of empire all day!
but all of us who respect facts and want wikipedia to succeed, should persist in their effort to include these facts, even if we get banned and slandered during the effort, that is the cost we must pay so that truth prevails at the end. at the very least we would be exposing the bias of these particular entrenched editors who want to push a pro western/british agenda regardless of truth and facts. even if they prevail in banning truth, we would have exposed a fundamental error in way wikipedia operates. 123.231.95.186 ( talk) 16:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
My issues with this addition "Although political power and influence over the former American colonies was lost after the 1783 Peace of Paris, Britain was able to cement its power through direct rule in India at the expense of the East India Company and in Canada through the Constitutional Act of 1791." are that it's poorly worded and it's just repeating information that can be found elsewhere.
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3rd paragraph, 1st sentence error - "The independence of the Thirteen Colonies in North America in 1783 after the American Revolutionary War caused Britain to lose of some of its oldest and most populous colonies." Remove the extra "of". 86.4.159.50 ( talk) 14:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Surely the American Revolutionary War as it is known, is known in British culture as the American War of Independence, surely that is what it should be called on a page for the British Empire? No need to be neutral that is what it is known as. Babydoll9799 ( talk) 18:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
The current wording is not consistent with coverage of other independence movements related to the British Empire, and more importantly it is not consistent with the sources we're using here. I don't see that using common British English terminology (as we do throughout this article) is a neutrality issue, at least not in this context where an article is covering a particular historical perspective. The term should be "War of Independence" and it would obviously link to the article on the "American Revolutionary War" which, as others have noted, already acknowledges alternative terminology. Wiki-Ed ( talk) 09:42, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Seeing recent revert of edit, which had changed the single-pink tint map inset to lead to a multi-tint map, [10] could we not have both perhaps insetting the multi-tint next to sections 3 and 4? Qexigator ( talk) 05:55, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
IN trying to get the this article into shape. I noticed that a most agregius error was having American independence listed as 1783. De Facto (and De jure) independence took place on July 2, 1776, and the UK officially recognized that fact in 1782. The War of independence began in 1775, nearly eight years prior to the date listed in the article. So why have it listed in an section which allegedly begins in 1783? Also, India was taken over by the East India company well before 1783, in the 1760s, and there is no mention of this....Also, what is Cook's picture doing in a section that begins well after he's dead? The Exploration of the Pacific (why no mention of Francis Drake?) and the American Revolution should be in an earlier section. Ericl ( talk) 16:18, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
An editor, User:Tommy Pinball, has tried to change the wording of the opening sentence from "Britain retains sovereignty over 14 territories outside the British Isles" to "Britain retains sovereignty over 14 territories outside the United Kingdom". This is a tautology, as in this context "Britain" and "the United Kingdom" have identical meanings. The intention is to identify overseas territories - and it's not possible to use terms like "...outside Europe" or "...outside the North Atlantic" because either would also cover Gibraltar. The term " British Isles" is (per multiple discussions) the currently used term to describe the archipelago concerned, and there is no reason to change it here. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:07, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia's "definition": The British Empire comprised the dominions, colonies, protectorates, mandates and other territories ruled or administered by the United Kingdom.
Encyclopaedia Britannica (15th ed. 1992) definition: British Empire: a worldwide system of dependencies -- colonies, protectorates and other territories -- that over a span of three centuries was brought under the sovereignty of the Crown of Great Britain and the administration of the British government.
The key word is sovereignty, which is absent from what passes as the definition in Wikipedia. By saying merely " and other territories ruled or administered by the United Kingdom" it opens the door every now and then to questions such as: What about Cuba and Manila? what about Tripolitania, Java, etc.? Indeed, these territories were "ruled or administered" during certain periods by the United Kingdom, but they were not part of the B. E. because the British Crown never possessed sovereignty over them. The crucial word sovereignty should be introduced.-- Lubiesque ( talk) 12:48, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I know, I should have played in the sand box first. The last entry on that was really poor. But I have now worked on it, refined the details, came up with the important people and situations at the time. This was the last deciding border dispute for the British Empire on the US continent and thus part of the British Empire. Without that treaty, the maps would look different now. It's part of the British Empire. If one goes to Astoria Oregon, one can clearly see and feel the former Crown colony. Please, accept this contribution with relevance for the British Empire. The boundary dispute in the special section is written from the US point of view. This new one I included is not a cheap abstract of what has already been written. It contains two pertinent sources, Canadian and from the premier ministers speeches. Thanks.( Osterluzei ( talk) 15:39, 9 November 2013 (UTC))
OK, just had a look and should comment that that Canadian cite is American-tinged ("Native Americans" is not a CAnadian term, nor is Oregon territory as a description for the region used by British/Columbian historians; it refers in "our" terminology to the Oregon Territory as chartered after the boundary settlement) and though from Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada doesn't get the history of the region right; as is often the case with federal sites or others in Central Canada; BC history has its own context; some major gaffes in that, in fact, I won't bother to enumerate them or explain them. And that bit on Polk is worded as if Manifest Destiny were a given and is out of context in terms of the nature of the British presence...and so much more. IMO this is an important matter enough in imperial history to mention, though in not so much detail or with so much politically-loaded wording...one may be Canadian in location of the URL, but both are USPOV in nature. The Oregon boundary dispute article needs more British-side content/input but I had too many distractions in Wikipedia to continue my work there.....it's largely of Oregonian origin/authorship; British-American rivalry in this region was a major, though obscure, stage of imperial development; but without the British retaining a coastal footprint on North America in this region the All Red Route would never have been created and most of Rupert's Land would have wound up American; and the Royal Navy would not have had the redoubt it did after the Siege of Petropavlosk during the Crimean War. That this was the last region of the globe's coastlines, other than some of Antarctica and bits of the Canadian Arctic, to be put on the map, and the last area where land boundaries is drawn, is highly notable in terms of political geography. There's also the later matter of the Bering Sea Crisis though that was a marine boundary issue, though it did almost bring the US and Britain to pitched warfare (as did the Alaska Boundary Dispute). These matters are largely obscure to eastern ("central") Canadians and mainstream Canadian historical awareness...and the prime ministers were often clueless about the Pacific (as they still are); same with the Colonial Office and Foreign Secretary.....something about this area's role in consolidating the "sun never sets" paradigm has to be mentioned......the San Juan and Alaska disputes matter less in that regard, though American pressure on the BC mainland didn't end for a long time (and still havne't). Skookum1 ( talk) 06:12, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Incroyable ! When I read French colonial empire, I can see pictures about massacres, etc. (which is corect BUT not only). At the opposite, when I look into British Empire in english, sun shines everywhere ! Is « neutrality » an english word ? Or hypocrisy ? Sorry, but I try to figure the article fr:Empire colonial français out : not easy. I thought : they might have some (moral) problems/issues too, regarding their colonial past... -- Spiessens 16:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiessens ( talk • contribs)
At first I was going to raise this question on the Talk page of the actual image but it specified that the Talk page was not for requests for changes in the image. Pink is harder to make out against grey when just glancing at the small version found in this article. Any other color could have been used, such as the colors of the flag, a light red or blue. I was just wondering if it was a huge issue for anyone to make the color slightly darker for those who know how. Cadiomals ( talk) 04:14, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
I've actually seen an image of a flag that actually represented the whole of the British Empire and is featured on flags of the world.com and I think it would be really good if if a Wikipedia version of this flag could be made and featured as the flag that resents the British Empire rather than the Union Jack! ( 90.197.194.14 ( talk) 10:54, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
I think it was more ceremonial rather than a flag that was used in place of the Union Flag, I remember seeing picture of this flag on a website which I thought was flags of the world.com but I must have been mistaken but it was on a website but can't remember which site it was so sorry about that.. I can tell you thou that the flag was smilier to the Royal Navy flag as a white Ensign with the coat of arms for Australia. Cape Colony and Canada on it I believe with a Red Cross dividing the flag into four.( 109.151.114.93 ( talk) 13:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
I have the page now for the image of this flag, it's towards the bottom of the page at http://fotw.fivestarflags.com/gb-colon.html ( 109.151.114.93 ( talk) 13:12, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
I am aware of the uncertainty but I think the flag is still worth recreating as it did exist for some propose even if it was only for ceremonial proposes. ( 109.151.114.93 ( talk) 13:41, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
Fair enough I am happy to let things rest there with the British Empire, I have no wish to cause trouble however on a more important note I was wondering if any of you guys could be very willing and take on a project on a neighbouring article called Flags of the British Empire a page where we are trying to develop a place for all the former colonial flags of the British Empire and its Dominions and territories which was started over two years ago and although its just starting to look like a proper reference page it needs a lot of attention and I wondered as you there is a lot of attention on this page weither or not it could be put under your wings or the wings of someone who can make it a offical project where we can be a true source of reference to something which is just as important as the History of the Empire as its part of that History! ( 90.197.194.14 ( talk) 16:59, 26 December 2013 (UTC))
I dismantled this edit [11], as it was too vaguely worded and short on specifics. There was already something on Egypt in this section, so anything Middle East related should have gone there, but most importantly the additional material had no mention of the Arab versus Jewish "problem" and the background behind it. Lastly, the supplied reference for the added text - another encyclopaedia - wasn't optimal. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 17:15, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Was there a date when the UK government stopped referring to its overseas territories as an, "Empire"? Thom2002 ( talk) 17:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
As part of the FA review, the placement and number of images had to be modified to be in accordance with the manual of style. Since then, there has been some "image creep" which I'm sure would have to be addressed were this article ever have to undergo a review again. Anyone have any thoughts on this? The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 19:29, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
It seems like the British more like claimed those lands then conquer. I notice some places were highlighted at which Britain never really conquered such as most of Canada the Inuit and a lot of other tribes didnt even get conquered yet. The area around the Great Lakes, and the Western part of the Easern Woodlands in the USA were not even conquered the Iroqoise, Ojibwa and other tribes. Belize just got the their coast conquered beacause a lot of he Maya died but inland their were still Mayas that were not ever conquered by the British and im sure theirs many other areas that were not conquered. NativePride98 ( talk) 02:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I am at a loss. How do I succinctly state the important fact that Virginia is the first colony, in the entire world of England and what will become the British Empire? I was astounded to read, on the Slate website that Jamestown was the first colony of the British Empire. The author of the Slate article quotes William Kelso, directly, as telling, Queen Elizabeth, "Your majesty, this is where the British Empire began, this was not just the first American colony, this was the first colony in the British Empire." To me this is an astonishingly important fact, that as an American I was never taught. Everything that Americans write, read as did this article, emphasizing the importance to the United States, while ignoring the importance to the development of the British Empire.
Please I am not being nasty to the authors. I would have written that first sentence that way, which is exactly my point here. That, that sentence as originally written misses entirely the world-wide historical importance of the founding of Jamestown. This colony was a success, which prompted others in England to want to get in on the profits. There quickly followed other successful colonies, and, though no one at the time knew it, the British Empire began to grow.
It just seems to me to be essential to mention here, that Virginia is the start of not just the United States, but of the British Empire. Nick Beeson ( talk) 15:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
All my life, without exception, I have read the phrase "Jamestown, the first English colony in America" or "North America" or "the New World". Always a qualifier, which explicitly states that there were other English colonies at that time. There were none.
It seems to me that Wikipedia is a world-wide resource. That the American perspective, in the three articles, Virginia, Colony of Virginia, Jamestown, Virginia, should not prevail. That they should say "first permanent colony of England in the world". Is seems to me obvious that readers in Nigeria, India, Australia, Hong Kong, South Africa, New Zealand, to name a few, would see it differently, they would all think it more important that Virginia is the start of the British Empire, not just the start of America.
If you disagree, please state your reasons here. Thanks Nick Beeson ( talk) 16:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
The lede talks about the "height" or peak of the empire's power, and in the next sentence it says "By 1922 the British Empire held sway over about 458 million people". Is 1922 really a good estimate of when the empire peaked? Previously, I had an impression that the peak came somewhat earlier. Novel compound ( talk) 17:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Is it okay if I add a politics/government section which would explain the relation between the colonies and UK? There could also be info about forms of govenrnment, democracy, and society in the colonies/dominions/etc. I understand that the British Empire was not an official country, but there is existing info even on Wikipedia about the politics of the individual dominions, colonies and protectorates, and this article could have a general summary of the colonial politics of areas governed by the British/UK. So before I start to do this I would like to know if there are any objections to expanding the article. Regards -- Ransewiki ( talk) 17:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Why there cant be more information about the British Empire?? It would be useful to have more info easily available in the infobox. It would be much more simple to get basic facts like capital and area and so on without having to scroll the hole page. I am sorry if I´m opening an old argument, but the archives are quite long to search for arguments about the infobox.... Regards -- Ransewiki ( talk) 10:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Note to all editors here, there has been some utter nonsense added of late to the map on Wikimedia Commons, such as Dunkirk being part of the British Empire. Unfortunately if one watches changes to this page, edits to the map go unnoticed. /info/en/?search=File_talk:The_British_Empire.png The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 02:05, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Please help to identify the sitter and painter (1st quarter of the 19th century), thanks! Sdfghkl ( talk) 11:01, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
In the map some users (like me) Added Afghanistan, but it look likes the creator of map is removing Afghanistan. So My question is: Was Afghanistan british? Please answer me ;_; Carcaça Metáliaca ( talk) 18:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I moved the map (back) to Wikipedia, so it can be added to Wikipedia watch lists to make sure nobody sneaks in any original research. [13] The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 00:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
This piece of Sumatra should be marked on the map. It was a British outpost from 1685 until swapped for Dutch Malacca (Melaka) in 1824. 80.3.72.207 ( talk) 21:59, 2 February 2015 (UTC)