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Hi. the first paragraph of this article is almost verbatim Deer's description of himself on his own website, briandeer.com. even if Deer didnt make the entry himself, he still technically wrote it, albeit unwittingly, which iirc is not allowed
The External Links section also contains multiple links to different reviews of his book, which is unusual
briandeer.com: Brian Deer is a British-born investigative journalist, best known for inquiries into medicine, the drug industry, and social issues for The Sunday Times, and for his books 'The Doctor Who Fooled the World' and 'Blind Trial'
Wikipedia: Brian Deer is a British investigative reporter, best known for inquiries into the drug industry, medicine and social issues for The Sunday Times. Deer's investigative nonfiction book, The Doctor Who Fooled the World, was published in September 2020 by Johns Hopkins University Press. . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:DF50:A1F0:6DEC:596C:9C18:7D1 ( talk) 15:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Much of this content is only sourced to or via Deer's own website. Better sourcing is still needed. LeadSongDog ( talk) 19:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Breaking News: Landmark autism study by Dr. Andrew Wakefield was "an elaborate fraud", CNN.
It will be interesting to hear what JB Handley, founder of Generation Rescue, has to say about this. This wasn't simple carelessness, but "elaborate fraud". Not only has Wakefield lost his license to practice medicine, he should be imprisoned. This probably won't make any difference to those who are involved in the vaccine controversy movement. Facts never do. -- Brangifer ( talk) 23:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Secrets of the MMR scare: how the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed
In the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deer exposes the data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school. In an accompanying editorial, Fiona Godlee and colleagues say that Andrew Wakefield's (pictured) article linking MMR vaccine and autism was based not on bad science but on a deliberate fraud. In a linked blog, Brian Deer analyses the similarities between the MMR scare and the case of the "Piltdown Man."
Wakefield’s article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent
Clear evidence of falsification of data should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare
How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed, Part 1
In the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deer exposes the bogus data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school.
The newspaper article which is provided to reference that celebrity psychiatrist, Raj Persaud, was suspended from practising medicine due to reporting by Deer does not mention Deer's reporting at all. A better source must be produced to establish this causation. __ meco ( talk) 13:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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I would ask editors to give examples where a subject is exposed in this way to an ageist attack, duplicating the subject's date of birth already on the page, as per Wiki policy. Age is, in the UK at least, where this guy lives, a protected characteristic, like race, religion, sexual orientation and so forth. So in seeking to make capital in this way, adding no new information to the page, I guess the insinuation is that Deer is too old, or something like that. I'd invite the editor to give examples of a Wikipedia policy to repeat the date of birth in the text in this way. Maybe try,say, Bill Clinton, or Adolf Hitler. Having never seen this before, I have reverted the reversion, and request the rationale for departing from Wikipedia's normal customs, before an edit war develops. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.240.189 ( talk) 20:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
In 2016, Deer tweeted "When I began my investigation of research cheat Andrew Wakefield, he was a doctor and I wasn't." It definitely implies he is now a doctor, but I am not sure. I am probably going to add that fact with the tweet as a source, but I thought to add a topic here just in case anyone objects. Slamforeman ( talk) 05:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
It could be the editor here shd work in a sandbox. Given d.o.bs should go after names at the front of biogs, the source does not stand up that Deer was born in the UK, and there is no date at which Deer said he had not bought a car, the rest seems to be personal knowledge or trivia. MPossinbly he has bought a car since he said it, so you need to say the date at If that is all the personal life the editor has found, then he should find some more so when Deer bought a car makes sense. Please do go to a sandbox if you are working on a new section. If youare a pal of Deer, you are making him look like a dick. Owning a car is not a life event. Sledgehamming ( talk) 08:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
These dates (specific day–month–year) are important information about the subject, but if they are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context.The word "if" in there means that it is OK to have the birthdate in the lede only. So, it can be there or not.
A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." All the facts in the personal life section fit this criteria. If someone wants to add other secondary or tertiary sources, then there is of course nothing to stop them doing that.
Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability". It is not relevant to Deer's notability, so it probably should not be in the lede. I should mention as well that other BLPs with known DOBs do the same thing that this article does now ( Andrew Wakefield, Louis Armstrong, and Flea (musician) to name a few), and none of these people's DOBs are all that notable, so if the article is kept how it is that is also perfectly fine. Slamforeman ( talk) 16:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
After squandering an hour of time, I have not been able to find any secondary source confirming any of slamforeman's edits to this article. They all look to be the result of the editor's personal research. One link I found citing social media leads to nothing on the subjects nationality/middle name, the date of birth is worked out by the editor's own arithmetic, which he/she says was based on a comment by Deer in his book, with no secondary source etc etc. I know celebrities sometimes lie over their dob's for vanity or fraud prevention. Deer is not a celebrity, although he may do the same. Whatever the facts, I cannot verify any of the edits slamforman has made. He/she has a record here of reverting anyone who takes a different view, so I have not reverted the text back a few weeks (which is what I think is needed when such fundamental 'facts' are introduced to a biography without clear secondary sourcing). Could another editor take a look? Sledgehamming ( talk) 17:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Is that Harper Collins book written by him?Please look up the difference between "write" and "publish". Read WP:SPS to find out what "self-published" means. Your stance is silly, and you should stop it. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 20:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hi. the first paragraph of this article is almost verbatim Deer's description of himself on his own website, briandeer.com. even if Deer didnt make the entry himself, he still technically wrote it, albeit unwittingly, which iirc is not allowed
The External Links section also contains multiple links to different reviews of his book, which is unusual
briandeer.com: Brian Deer is a British-born investigative journalist, best known for inquiries into medicine, the drug industry, and social issues for The Sunday Times, and for his books 'The Doctor Who Fooled the World' and 'Blind Trial'
Wikipedia: Brian Deer is a British investigative reporter, best known for inquiries into the drug industry, medicine and social issues for The Sunday Times. Deer's investigative nonfiction book, The Doctor Who Fooled the World, was published in September 2020 by Johns Hopkins University Press. . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:DF50:A1F0:6DEC:596C:9C18:7D1 ( talk) 15:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Much of this content is only sourced to or via Deer's own website. Better sourcing is still needed. LeadSongDog ( talk) 19:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Breaking News: Landmark autism study by Dr. Andrew Wakefield was "an elaborate fraud", CNN.
It will be interesting to hear what JB Handley, founder of Generation Rescue, has to say about this. This wasn't simple carelessness, but "elaborate fraud". Not only has Wakefield lost his license to practice medicine, he should be imprisoned. This probably won't make any difference to those who are involved in the vaccine controversy movement. Facts never do. -- Brangifer ( talk) 23:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Secrets of the MMR scare: how the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed
In the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deer exposes the data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school. In an accompanying editorial, Fiona Godlee and colleagues say that Andrew Wakefield's (pictured) article linking MMR vaccine and autism was based not on bad science but on a deliberate fraud. In a linked blog, Brian Deer analyses the similarities between the MMR scare and the case of the "Piltdown Man."
Wakefield’s article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent
Clear evidence of falsification of data should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare
How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed, Part 1
In the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deer exposes the bogus data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school.
The newspaper article which is provided to reference that celebrity psychiatrist, Raj Persaud, was suspended from practising medicine due to reporting by Deer does not mention Deer's reporting at all. A better source must be produced to establish this causation. __ meco ( talk) 13:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
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I would ask editors to give examples where a subject is exposed in this way to an ageist attack, duplicating the subject's date of birth already on the page, as per Wiki policy. Age is, in the UK at least, where this guy lives, a protected characteristic, like race, religion, sexual orientation and so forth. So in seeking to make capital in this way, adding no new information to the page, I guess the insinuation is that Deer is too old, or something like that. I'd invite the editor to give examples of a Wikipedia policy to repeat the date of birth in the text in this way. Maybe try,say, Bill Clinton, or Adolf Hitler. Having never seen this before, I have reverted the reversion, and request the rationale for departing from Wikipedia's normal customs, before an edit war develops. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.240.189 ( talk) 20:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
In 2016, Deer tweeted "When I began my investigation of research cheat Andrew Wakefield, he was a doctor and I wasn't." It definitely implies he is now a doctor, but I am not sure. I am probably going to add that fact with the tweet as a source, but I thought to add a topic here just in case anyone objects. Slamforeman ( talk) 05:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
It could be the editor here shd work in a sandbox. Given d.o.bs should go after names at the front of biogs, the source does not stand up that Deer was born in the UK, and there is no date at which Deer said he had not bought a car, the rest seems to be personal knowledge or trivia. MPossinbly he has bought a car since he said it, so you need to say the date at If that is all the personal life the editor has found, then he should find some more so when Deer bought a car makes sense. Please do go to a sandbox if you are working on a new section. If youare a pal of Deer, you are making him look like a dick. Owning a car is not a life event. Sledgehamming ( talk) 08:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
These dates (specific day–month–year) are important information about the subject, but if they are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context.The word "if" in there means that it is OK to have the birthdate in the lede only. So, it can be there or not.
A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." All the facts in the personal life section fit this criteria. If someone wants to add other secondary or tertiary sources, then there is of course nothing to stop them doing that.
Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability". It is not relevant to Deer's notability, so it probably should not be in the lede. I should mention as well that other BLPs with known DOBs do the same thing that this article does now ( Andrew Wakefield, Louis Armstrong, and Flea (musician) to name a few), and none of these people's DOBs are all that notable, so if the article is kept how it is that is also perfectly fine. Slamforeman ( talk) 16:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
After squandering an hour of time, I have not been able to find any secondary source confirming any of slamforeman's edits to this article. They all look to be the result of the editor's personal research. One link I found citing social media leads to nothing on the subjects nationality/middle name, the date of birth is worked out by the editor's own arithmetic, which he/she says was based on a comment by Deer in his book, with no secondary source etc etc. I know celebrities sometimes lie over their dob's for vanity or fraud prevention. Deer is not a celebrity, although he may do the same. Whatever the facts, I cannot verify any of the edits slamforman has made. He/she has a record here of reverting anyone who takes a different view, so I have not reverted the text back a few weeks (which is what I think is needed when such fundamental 'facts' are introduced to a biography without clear secondary sourcing). Could another editor take a look? Sledgehamming ( talk) 17:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Is that Harper Collins book written by him?Please look up the difference between "write" and "publish". Read WP:SPS to find out what "self-published" means. Your stance is silly, and you should stop it. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 20:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)