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From the amputation article:
A few people have an " amputation fetish", feeling that they are not "complete" until they have a certain part amputated.
Now isn't there a contradiction if you compare this sentence with what it says at amputation fetish? Personally, I've never heard of that sort of thing before, so either explanation sounds absolutely weird. Who can help? -- KF 00:51, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The new article amputee fetishism describes both the phenomenon of desire for amputees as partners AND the desire to be an amputee. Technically, one could call the former amputee fetishism, second- or third-person desire, and the latter amputation fetish, first-person desire. BlueNight 05:08, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
Isn't it great that this page is a stub?
Apotemnophilia doesn't have to be a fetish for amputation or be of any sexual nature at all. As for transexuals, the personal image of the own body doesn't compare with how the body really looks. The apotemnophilians often describe their body as incomplete without an amputation and can have a life long suffering keeping the arm, leg, hand (or whatever limb the case may be about). User:85.225.242.160
-- The Anome 14:40, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
I guess this gives the phrase "addition by subtraction" new meaning. 130.91.117.254 ( talk) 18:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)Eric
Being an amputee isn't the only aspect of BIID! There are people who feel they need to be in a wheelchair. When they go through life they feel like they are "meant" to be a paraplegic, or whatever. I know this because I have this problem. Paraplegic BIID isn't recognised at all compared to amputees. I think this is terrible. Because this isn't recognised, there is no real way of treating it. I heard that DSM IV was going to include BIID in the next publication, but only amputees. Why would someone who wants to use a wheelchair, or live as an amputee, when they physically don't need to need to, be mentally ill? I guess there are two choices with this. Either you are sick in the head and have BIID, or what you do is just plain wrong. I prefer to choose the first option. Although I would never want to place the label of mentally ill on myself, if it is a path towards "treatment" or relief of these feelings I am willing to take it. In the 50s and 60s, transexuals had no "treatment". They had to endure their pain and make do. How is this different to BIID. And then how can amputee BIID be recognised and paraplegic BIID not be? Wouldn't my need to be in a wheelchair be just as valid? Sometimes I feel I would rather be dead than to keep living without a spinal cord injury. Even if I did elect to see a psychologist or a counsellor or something, there is nothing really that could be done, because paraplegic BIID isn't recognised, and no real study has been done on it, there is no real treatment. I believe my only path of treatment is aquiring an SCI, but given the mental health feild's bias on this subject, would this be enough grounds to have them validate surgery? For some people, yes maybe being treated for OCD or something else and having meds works. And maybe for others ignoring it does. I've tried ignoring it. The pain just gets so overwhelming. People discuss and reject my feelings and emotional pain as if these things are a choice. And yet we also agree that my feelings are a form of BIID I "know" I am meant to be a para, and that the way I am now isn't right. So how is it that in this article there is no mention of wheelchair wannabes, and just amputee wannabes? I looked this article up hoping to find more insite into who I am, but was deeply upset to not find any mention of wheelchairs!
This story tells the story of one man's struggle with BIID:
https://medium.com/matter/8476df17bddf — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
24.7.12.135 (
talk) 21:45, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
This line
Seems out of context. On its own, it doesn't seem to fit in the article. I think it needs to be either completed to removed. User:Eje211 17:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
How is it out of context? The need to be a paraplegic is still BIID. Note BIID means Body Identity Integrity Disorder it isn't Amputee Identity Integrity disorder.
I have been a BIID ever since I can remember,I have always wanted to be a above knee left leg amputee,I feel I'm tottaly "normal' in all aspects of my life but this one overwhemling desire that only becomes more intense the older I grow.I have sucessfully become a double toe amputee on my left foot which I brought about by injuring my foot which nessitated the amputation of two toes,I have type 2 diabetes so this was a good reason to explain injuries which became infected and would not heal.During the course of the last two years I have injured my leg futher and have found a young sugeron who has agreed to give me a below knee amputation due to diabetic complications.I know this alll sounds tottaly off the wall and insane ,but It's the only "cure" I can find to allivate my decades of suffering from this constant overwhemling need to be "correct" in my own body,soul and mind.
The article was almost an advocacy piece for making BIID equivalent to being transgender. Interesting, but I think not appropriate for Wikipedia. I edited it, but left in most of the editorialising attributed to BIID advocates/patients. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.245.218.64 ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
My sister told me last night about BIID and I had to do some research on the subject today. I've worked with all different types of people in my life and was so curious about this condition (?).
After reading what everybody wrote I agree with Alex that more compassion and understanding is needed. While BIID is clearly not the norm its interesting how folks seem to react with such disdain about things that are different. I wish more people would first be curious, seek to understand, and have compassion. We have such little tolerance for ideas, people, situations outside of the norm.
That said, sometimes it is easy to want a "quick fix" to complex mental and emotional problems. We go to dr. after dr. looking for answers and help and often times, in my experience, we don't get it. I don't have BIID, but I think we can all relate, to a certain degree, to suffering, being obessessd, feeling different, and having mental thoughts that make us physically sick. I also know how easy it is when you don't get quick answers to want to give up and take drastics measures. I would say to those in that state, be strong and don't let the fact that little research has been done on the topic stop you from getting the support you need. Form a group of like minded peers, create awareness, increase understanding. I can only imagine the pain people with BIID go thru and at the same time feel that it is so permanent to remove limbs that I would want to be open to all possibilities that could alter a BIID mindset before going thru with any removal, no?
I can understand while the person who had lost their leg may be angry or think "how can a person WANT to cut off their leg" when she has suffered so much in her loss. It is clear that she is still grieving and who am I to judge her anger. I just hope that we can expand our minds, reach out to those that are suffering in any form, and listen to their pain and be empathetic. I'm not implying this will make the condition subside, but will they feel more accepted and loved as a result- yes! I always say..start where people are...and not where you think they need to be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Curiousmind ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
While I was watching Primetime tonight about people that have this urge from the time they are little to be amputees--I immediately thought of a possible answer. I know people will think this is crazy, but what if there is such a thing as reincarnation? What if these people were amputees in their previous lives? I think it makes perfect sense. Not that these people should not be treated with an antidepressant or some medication. But at least this could be a possible explanation behind their strong feelings.
If they believe that this could be a possibility and that it could be cured or fixed with medication dampering this urge--it could at least help their suffering. Sometimes not knowing why can drive people crazy. There are people that have psychic abilities, people that can sense ghosts, people that think they can heal. There are so many unusual things that people might be capable of feeling, thinking or doing. We only are using 10 percent of our brains. What if 90% of our untapped brain has capabilities that we just are not aware of? We used to be positive that the world was flat. How did the Mayans know about calendars? Why is their calendar more accurate than our current calendars? Watch the History and Discovery Channel and you will keep an open mind about many things.
Again, I know it sounds crazy, but strange things do exist. Many people are afraid to admit having an open mind for fear of redicule. But, some of the most ingenious of ideas and discoveries were also rediculed at first.
-Some of the stupidest ideas are also ridiculed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.58.163 ( talk) 12:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following from the article
Although nothing is currently cited in the article, to me this section stands out as highly questionable. Does anyone have a cite for anything in the paragraph? -- TeaDrinker 21:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
this article seems to focus too much on amputation as the sole type of biid. most people i know who have biid have other types, such as being in wheelchair or being blind, for example.-- Sonjaaa 11:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Sonjaaa, I tend to agree with you, it's very important to discuss the fact that BIID is about more than just amputations. Unfortunately, until, and unless, research papers talk about the fact that there are non-amputee BIID, we can't really state it here. It's a bit of a chicken vs. egg problem, because researchers and journalist keep on focusing on amputation, since everyone speaks about amputation and no one speaks about other required impairment. I have great hopes for Dr. First's study, though things are being delayed somewhat at this point. Wylz 03:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Dr. First has begun his follow-up study on BIID. Read more about it on biid-info.org Wylz 10:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Is it a violation of WP:NPOV to use terms like "disorder" and "suffering" in relation to this condition? I realize that the books use this sort of language, but I think we should stick to the more neutral term "condition" when not quoting directly. As I understand it, a condition only crosses the line into a disorder if the individual themself feels it is adversely affecting their life. Aelffin 15:23, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Aelfin, considering that the name of the condition is Body Integrity Identity Disorder, I think there's no issue with talking about disorders. As someone who has *suffered* from BIID for the last 35 or so years, I can tell you that it is adversely affecting our lives (you may wish to read one of my blog entries about it). No, I really don't see a problem with refering to disorder, nor the use of the word (or even concept) of suffering. Wylz 10:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
How is this a disorder only when it isn't applied to genitalia? We shouldn't treat this any different from Gender Dysphoria, either treat them both as a disorder or treat them both as an identity crisis. Chrononem ☎ 14:45, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
What's with all the weasel-words? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.225.177.21 ( talk) 05:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Really? Is there anything like consensus that the condition is neurological? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.166.227 ( talk) 07:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the discussion, it would appear that there are a lot more people with the condition working on this article than medical professionals. It strikes me that this might lead to a very one-sided representation of the subject. Perhaps an expert needs to look at this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.166.227 ( talk) 07:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I've moved the following to the talk page. They were in the external links section, but they are much more accurately labelled "unintegrated sources". The EL section is not a place to put sources that haven't been used yet, it's for pretty specific stuff. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 02:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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help)I think the article should separate those who want to amputate because they have BIID and those who want to amputate because they have a severe condition like diabetes or a tumor. I added the following to the article
, without medical justification for amputation,
But it could be argued BIID is a medical justification for amputation. Andrea Carter ( at your service | my good deeds) 06:53, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
""Transability", an almost identical disorder, is medically recognized by the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-5, but BIID is not."
I cannot find "transability" in the DSM-5, nor can I find anything referencing it. Can anyone give me a page number for it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicholaiJS ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
I think you have come up with a good solution for the dueling articles on Apotemnophilia and Body Integrity Identity Disorder --it's minimalistic but it fits Wikipedia. Neurorel ( talk) 04:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 14:26, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Body integrity identity disorder →
Body integrity dysphoria –
ICD-11 uses this name.
[1]
Itwheelchair (
talk) 00:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Itwheelchair (
talk) 00:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
"People with this condition may refer to themselves as transabled." Do they, though? Mercury.ascended ( talk) 00:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Are there cases of self-identified “transabled” people who desire to have other disabilities, including those which _can’t_ actually be acquired in adulthood? I seem to recall reading somewhere about a person believing they should have had Down syndrome, and not feeling authentically like themselves without it.
Down syndrome, of course, is something you’re either born with or you’re not, and it can’t be acquired later, unlike amputee status, blindness, or deafness. Wanting to have Down syndrome (when you actually don’t) almost seems analogous to the otherkin subculture in a way, since they are longing for a transformation that is literally impossible. If there’s been any documentation of such “impossible” desires among people with BIID, it should probably be mentioned in the article. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:F2CD ( talk) 21:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Ideal sources for Wikipedia's health content are defined in the guideline
Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) and are typically
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This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
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The contents of the Apotemnophilia page were merged into Body integrity dysphoria. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
From the amputation article:
A few people have an " amputation fetish", feeling that they are not "complete" until they have a certain part amputated.
Now isn't there a contradiction if you compare this sentence with what it says at amputation fetish? Personally, I've never heard of that sort of thing before, so either explanation sounds absolutely weird. Who can help? -- KF 00:51, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The new article amputee fetishism describes both the phenomenon of desire for amputees as partners AND the desire to be an amputee. Technically, one could call the former amputee fetishism, second- or third-person desire, and the latter amputation fetish, first-person desire. BlueNight 05:08, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
Isn't it great that this page is a stub?
Apotemnophilia doesn't have to be a fetish for amputation or be of any sexual nature at all. As for transexuals, the personal image of the own body doesn't compare with how the body really looks. The apotemnophilians often describe their body as incomplete without an amputation and can have a life long suffering keeping the arm, leg, hand (or whatever limb the case may be about). User:85.225.242.160
-- The Anome 14:40, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
I guess this gives the phrase "addition by subtraction" new meaning. 130.91.117.254 ( talk) 18:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)Eric
Being an amputee isn't the only aspect of BIID! There are people who feel they need to be in a wheelchair. When they go through life they feel like they are "meant" to be a paraplegic, or whatever. I know this because I have this problem. Paraplegic BIID isn't recognised at all compared to amputees. I think this is terrible. Because this isn't recognised, there is no real way of treating it. I heard that DSM IV was going to include BIID in the next publication, but only amputees. Why would someone who wants to use a wheelchair, or live as an amputee, when they physically don't need to need to, be mentally ill? I guess there are two choices with this. Either you are sick in the head and have BIID, or what you do is just plain wrong. I prefer to choose the first option. Although I would never want to place the label of mentally ill on myself, if it is a path towards "treatment" or relief of these feelings I am willing to take it. In the 50s and 60s, transexuals had no "treatment". They had to endure their pain and make do. How is this different to BIID. And then how can amputee BIID be recognised and paraplegic BIID not be? Wouldn't my need to be in a wheelchair be just as valid? Sometimes I feel I would rather be dead than to keep living without a spinal cord injury. Even if I did elect to see a psychologist or a counsellor or something, there is nothing really that could be done, because paraplegic BIID isn't recognised, and no real study has been done on it, there is no real treatment. I believe my only path of treatment is aquiring an SCI, but given the mental health feild's bias on this subject, would this be enough grounds to have them validate surgery? For some people, yes maybe being treated for OCD or something else and having meds works. And maybe for others ignoring it does. I've tried ignoring it. The pain just gets so overwhelming. People discuss and reject my feelings and emotional pain as if these things are a choice. And yet we also agree that my feelings are a form of BIID I "know" I am meant to be a para, and that the way I am now isn't right. So how is it that in this article there is no mention of wheelchair wannabes, and just amputee wannabes? I looked this article up hoping to find more insite into who I am, but was deeply upset to not find any mention of wheelchairs!
This story tells the story of one man's struggle with BIID:
https://medium.com/matter/8476df17bddf — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
24.7.12.135 (
talk) 21:45, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
This line
Seems out of context. On its own, it doesn't seem to fit in the article. I think it needs to be either completed to removed. User:Eje211 17:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
How is it out of context? The need to be a paraplegic is still BIID. Note BIID means Body Identity Integrity Disorder it isn't Amputee Identity Integrity disorder.
I have been a BIID ever since I can remember,I have always wanted to be a above knee left leg amputee,I feel I'm tottaly "normal' in all aspects of my life but this one overwhemling desire that only becomes more intense the older I grow.I have sucessfully become a double toe amputee on my left foot which I brought about by injuring my foot which nessitated the amputation of two toes,I have type 2 diabetes so this was a good reason to explain injuries which became infected and would not heal.During the course of the last two years I have injured my leg futher and have found a young sugeron who has agreed to give me a below knee amputation due to diabetic complications.I know this alll sounds tottaly off the wall and insane ,but It's the only "cure" I can find to allivate my decades of suffering from this constant overwhemling need to be "correct" in my own body,soul and mind.
The article was almost an advocacy piece for making BIID equivalent to being transgender. Interesting, but I think not appropriate for Wikipedia. I edited it, but left in most of the editorialising attributed to BIID advocates/patients. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.245.218.64 ( talk • contribs) 23:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
My sister told me last night about BIID and I had to do some research on the subject today. I've worked with all different types of people in my life and was so curious about this condition (?).
After reading what everybody wrote I agree with Alex that more compassion and understanding is needed. While BIID is clearly not the norm its interesting how folks seem to react with such disdain about things that are different. I wish more people would first be curious, seek to understand, and have compassion. We have such little tolerance for ideas, people, situations outside of the norm.
That said, sometimes it is easy to want a "quick fix" to complex mental and emotional problems. We go to dr. after dr. looking for answers and help and often times, in my experience, we don't get it. I don't have BIID, but I think we can all relate, to a certain degree, to suffering, being obessessd, feeling different, and having mental thoughts that make us physically sick. I also know how easy it is when you don't get quick answers to want to give up and take drastics measures. I would say to those in that state, be strong and don't let the fact that little research has been done on the topic stop you from getting the support you need. Form a group of like minded peers, create awareness, increase understanding. I can only imagine the pain people with BIID go thru and at the same time feel that it is so permanent to remove limbs that I would want to be open to all possibilities that could alter a BIID mindset before going thru with any removal, no?
I can understand while the person who had lost their leg may be angry or think "how can a person WANT to cut off their leg" when she has suffered so much in her loss. It is clear that she is still grieving and who am I to judge her anger. I just hope that we can expand our minds, reach out to those that are suffering in any form, and listen to their pain and be empathetic. I'm not implying this will make the condition subside, but will they feel more accepted and loved as a result- yes! I always say..start where people are...and not where you think they need to be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Curiousmind ( talk • contribs) 18:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
While I was watching Primetime tonight about people that have this urge from the time they are little to be amputees--I immediately thought of a possible answer. I know people will think this is crazy, but what if there is such a thing as reincarnation? What if these people were amputees in their previous lives? I think it makes perfect sense. Not that these people should not be treated with an antidepressant or some medication. But at least this could be a possible explanation behind their strong feelings.
If they believe that this could be a possibility and that it could be cured or fixed with medication dampering this urge--it could at least help their suffering. Sometimes not knowing why can drive people crazy. There are people that have psychic abilities, people that can sense ghosts, people that think they can heal. There are so many unusual things that people might be capable of feeling, thinking or doing. We only are using 10 percent of our brains. What if 90% of our untapped brain has capabilities that we just are not aware of? We used to be positive that the world was flat. How did the Mayans know about calendars? Why is their calendar more accurate than our current calendars? Watch the History and Discovery Channel and you will keep an open mind about many things.
Again, I know it sounds crazy, but strange things do exist. Many people are afraid to admit having an open mind for fear of redicule. But, some of the most ingenious of ideas and discoveries were also rediculed at first.
-Some of the stupidest ideas are also ridiculed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.58.163 ( talk) 12:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following from the article
Although nothing is currently cited in the article, to me this section stands out as highly questionable. Does anyone have a cite for anything in the paragraph? -- TeaDrinker 21:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
this article seems to focus too much on amputation as the sole type of biid. most people i know who have biid have other types, such as being in wheelchair or being blind, for example.-- Sonjaaa 11:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Sonjaaa, I tend to agree with you, it's very important to discuss the fact that BIID is about more than just amputations. Unfortunately, until, and unless, research papers talk about the fact that there are non-amputee BIID, we can't really state it here. It's a bit of a chicken vs. egg problem, because researchers and journalist keep on focusing on amputation, since everyone speaks about amputation and no one speaks about other required impairment. I have great hopes for Dr. First's study, though things are being delayed somewhat at this point. Wylz 03:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Dr. First has begun his follow-up study on BIID. Read more about it on biid-info.org Wylz 10:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Is it a violation of WP:NPOV to use terms like "disorder" and "suffering" in relation to this condition? I realize that the books use this sort of language, but I think we should stick to the more neutral term "condition" when not quoting directly. As I understand it, a condition only crosses the line into a disorder if the individual themself feels it is adversely affecting their life. Aelffin 15:23, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Aelfin, considering that the name of the condition is Body Integrity Identity Disorder, I think there's no issue with talking about disorders. As someone who has *suffered* from BIID for the last 35 or so years, I can tell you that it is adversely affecting our lives (you may wish to read one of my blog entries about it). No, I really don't see a problem with refering to disorder, nor the use of the word (or even concept) of suffering. Wylz 10:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
How is this a disorder only when it isn't applied to genitalia? We shouldn't treat this any different from Gender Dysphoria, either treat them both as a disorder or treat them both as an identity crisis. Chrononem ☎ 14:45, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
What's with all the weasel-words? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.225.177.21 ( talk) 05:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Really? Is there anything like consensus that the condition is neurological? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.166.227 ( talk) 07:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the discussion, it would appear that there are a lot more people with the condition working on this article than medical professionals. It strikes me that this might lead to a very one-sided representation of the subject. Perhaps an expert needs to look at this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.166.227 ( talk) 07:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I've moved the following to the talk page. They were in the external links section, but they are much more accurately labelled "unintegrated sources". The EL section is not a place to put sources that haven't been used yet, it's for pretty specific stuff. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 02:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help){{
cite journal}}
: Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help)I think the article should separate those who want to amputate because they have BIID and those who want to amputate because they have a severe condition like diabetes or a tumor. I added the following to the article
, without medical justification for amputation,
But it could be argued BIID is a medical justification for amputation. Andrea Carter ( at your service | my good deeds) 06:53, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
""Transability", an almost identical disorder, is medically recognized by the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-5, but BIID is not."
I cannot find "transability" in the DSM-5, nor can I find anything referencing it. Can anyone give me a page number for it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicholaiJS ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
I think you have come up with a good solution for the dueling articles on Apotemnophilia and Body Integrity Identity Disorder --it's minimalistic but it fits Wikipedia. Neurorel ( talk) 04:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 14:26, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Body integrity identity disorder →
Body integrity dysphoria –
ICD-11 uses this name.
[1]
Itwheelchair (
talk) 00:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Itwheelchair (
talk) 00:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
"People with this condition may refer to themselves as transabled." Do they, though? Mercury.ascended ( talk) 00:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Are there cases of self-identified “transabled” people who desire to have other disabilities, including those which _can’t_ actually be acquired in adulthood? I seem to recall reading somewhere about a person believing they should have had Down syndrome, and not feeling authentically like themselves without it.
Down syndrome, of course, is something you’re either born with or you’re not, and it can’t be acquired later, unlike amputee status, blindness, or deafness. Wanting to have Down syndrome (when you actually don’t) almost seems analogous to the otherkin subculture in a way, since they are longing for a transformation that is literally impossible. If there’s been any documentation of such “impossible” desires among people with BIID, it should probably be mentioned in the article. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:F2CD ( talk) 21:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)