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The rocket that hit the Ashkelon hospital did not hit it in may 2008 but earlier, in februray 08: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3512185,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.229.116.204 ( talk) 19:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
The image on this page needs to be reset for a smaller size. Brockthepaine 16:39, 25 Mar 2008
How pretentious that Ashkelon is Ashqelon in the English-language Wikipedia, to stroke parochial vanities. Wetman 16:22, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Wha...? Where is this coming from? Isn't Ashqelon the official spelling? It was always my understanding that Ashkelon is a media spelling, much like Rechovot instead of Rehovot, or Eilat instead of Elat, or Hawaii instead of Hawai‘i. Ashqelon is also the closest diacritic-free spelling alternate to the academic Standard Hebrew transliteration, Ašqəlon. What's the matter? Who's stroking whose vanities? - Gilgamesh 01:00, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This is what I know. Before recently when I merged Ashkelon and Ashqelon, Ashkelon was about the history of the city (including modern times), and Ashqelon was purely about the Israeli city with a few more specific details on it. It's also been Asqalān in Arabic and Ascalon in Latin. With all the different forms, I thought it proper to unite them under the Standard Hebrew name. - Gilgamesh 02:49, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Also, look at the page history of Ashqelon to see how the article already existed. Since it's the article for the city today, I put Ashkelon's content in the history section then placed a redirect to Ashqelon. And "Ashqelon" is not as uncommon as you may think — there are thousands of Google results for it. There's nothing pretentious about it; it would instead seem to suggest that Ashqelon and Ashkelon are both permissable spellings and neither is necessarily wrong. Also, plenty of other articles for Israeli cities (and Israeli settlements) use Q in the article spelling. See Qiryat Arba. - Gilgamesh 02:55, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
One reason that there was an entry Ashkelon for the ancient city and a separate Ashqelon for the modern one is that the modern city is not historically continuous with the ancient site, nor even exactly on the same ground. (Please click on the link.) "Ashkelon" has been the standard spelling in English print since the 17th century, google-schmoogle. Wetman 01:43, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Please see comments regarding this matter at [2] Thank you. IZAK 08:00, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#New "twist and turn" as "Hebrew alphabet" is switched to "Hebrew languages" concerning appropriate uses of the word "Hebrew" here. IZAK 05:33, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
A large chunck of history between Byzantium and the Crusades needs to be filled in. -- Yodakii 08:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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Ashkelon ( Hebrew: אַשְׁקְלוֹן; Tiberian Hebrew ʾAšqəlôn; Arabic: عسقلان ⓘ; Latin: Ascalon) is a city in the western Negev, in the South District of Israel. It was established on the area of an the ancient Philistine (an non- semitic sea people unrelated to todays people by similar name). Ashkelon is seaport on the east coast of the Mediterranean Sea just north of Gaza, close to the ruins of the ancient city which existed for over 5000 years. There are about 117,000 citizens in the city. The anciant city was detroyed at 604 BC by the Babilonian king Nbochadnezar and again during the Arab conquest in 1270 AD. An Arab settlement called "Al-Mijdal" was established on the site after the original area was destroyed completely by the Mamluke king Biberes after it had served as a Crusader base. There remained a large Jewish population in the town until the Crusaders invaded the region in 1153. This was the remnant of the population into which Hordus the king had been born, the Jewish King who rebuilt the Second Temple, and also invested in much building efforts in Ashkelon. The city is home to several startigic facilities such as a power plant, a small harbor and one of the world largest de-salinization plant - all located at the southern end of the city. Recently, the area has been a target of Palestinian Kasam rockets fired from Gaza.
i figure there's some good info here which needs to be readmitted, i will maybe give it a go at a later date. Jaakobou 05:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
The first requirement is a good source, but that text had no source at all. Second, a lot of that material is already present in the article in a more reliable form. Third, some of this text is pure speculation, such as the claim that the Jewish population in 1153 was a remnant of some population of 1500+ years earlier. This is way, way, more than any actual historical evidence can possibly be found for. We should avoid speculative assertions. Of course, well-sourced data on the Jewish history would be welcome (though not necessarily in the introduction). Also the time of founding of al-Migdal needs a source and besides it was not "on the site" but a few km to the north-east. It wasn't even the closest Arab village to the site (that was al-Jurah). The relevance of al-Migdal to this article is that the houses of al-Migdal were the initial buildings of modern Ashkelon. -- Zero talk 08:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I am really not sure why all this Mijdal info is in this article.
Ashkelon is a city that existed from biblical times and now a city in modern israel.
Mijdal is a Palestinian village/town that was near by (a bit inland) and no longer exist - it dersve it;s own article like many non exist Palestinians towns.
Sure but Mijdal is a town that has been icluded by the the growing city of Ashkelon. Furthermore in its present day it isnt in possesion of the Palestinian authority, and neither is it included within the 1967 boundaries, nor the armistice line. Zeq 15:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I rewrote the Crusader history section for Ashkelon because i thought it was unacceptable considering that this was an important city during that period. I'll do the Roman and Byzantine history at a later date. Hera52 17:51, 01 July 2007
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 18:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Stop declaring lies based on propaganda books about the city of Ashkelon. Whoever is responsible for this page should not allow people to write fake contest under disguise of quoting serious books.
Stop declaring lies based on propaganda books about the city of Ashkelon. Whoever is responsible for this page should not allow people to write fake context under disguise of quoting serious books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativityisme ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
This article has major POV issues, particularly in the Modern History section. If the information is verifiable, it needs to be worded much differently. I have not seen such a bad case of NPOV on Wikipedia in quite a while.
We really need an audio file for the Hebrew pronunciation. —Preceding
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The Persian period is missing, including the amazing dog cemetery that is the largest ancient burial place for dogs ever found. Someone please add! Zero talk 11:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
From the lede: "In the course of its history, it has been ruled by the Canaanites, the Philistines, the Israelites, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Phoenicians, the Romans, the Persians, the Egyptians, the Muslims, the British and the Crusaders."
Which "Muslims" is this talking about? Given that all the rulers listed are nations/states/specific ethnic groups, shouldn't "Muslims" be replaced with whichever specific Muslim nation(s)/state(s)/people(s) were ruling it.
Also, what British rule is it talking about? I could see no other mention of the British in the article. Does it mean the early 20th century Palistinian Mandate (in which case why is it listed before the Crusaders), or something else? Wardog ( talk) 11:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I deleted:
Reason: This is a mistake. What Benjamin wrote was "From there it is five parasangs to Palmid, which is Ashdod of the Philistines, now in ruins; no Jews dwell there. Thence it is two parasangs to Ashkelonah or New Askelon, which Ezra the priest built by the sea. It was originally called Bene Berak. The place is four parasangs distant from the ancient ruined city of Askelon. New Askelon is a large and fair place, and merchants come thither from all quarters, for it is situated on the frontier of Egypt. About 200 Rabbanite Jews dwell here, at their head being R. Zemach, R. Aaron, and R. Solomon; also about forty Karaites, and about 300 Cuthim." So Benjamin was describing a place quite some distance from Ashkelon. Four parasangs is about 22 km, greater than the distance from Ashkelon to Ashdod. Zero talk 23:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
On the other hand it could be that Benjamin was mistaken when writing "The place is four parasangs distant from the ancient ruined city of Askelon." It would be original research to sort this out ourselves; I found a modern source which does interpret the place as Ashkelon. Zero talk 00:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
I think Benjamin of Tudela is mistaking the ruins of Mayunas Ashkelon, which is was a Byzantine town/port somewhat north of the ancient tell, with that of the original tell. Furthermore he talks about karaites being present in ( new Ashkelon ) which thus must be the ancient tell, if we deduct it from karaite sources in Ashkelon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.67.201.103 ( talk) 13:14, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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Greetings,
The heading says "Roman" era, but what is mentioned is Persian, Greek, and Roman "eras".
Also, not much of the "Roman" or Byzantine eras is actually discussed.
Then, there's no mention of the first Islamic conquest in the 600s A.D.
76.17.118.157 ( talk) 02:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps the kind people of wikipedia could include information (under "Landmarks") about the recent discovery of a Roman Era Statue, a ruined bath house,and a ruined mosaics. This was after a storm hit Askelon's Beach around December 15 2010. I found it on The CNN website. Sorry, no link. Thanks NDGKH ( talk) 00:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
A user at IP address 129.98.208.150 added, at the top of that section of the article, a comment saying:
(This narrative reflects the view of revisionist historian Benny Morris, and has not been verified as fact)
There is no way I will get involved with an Israel–Palestine argument, but since I removed the commentary from the article itself, I thought it fair to post the IP editor's complaint on the talk page. If anyone else sees the use of Morris as a problem, here's the place to discuss it. A. Parrot ( talk) 23:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Is there a reliable source for the Arab village being called al-Majdal Asqalan? I don't think I've seen it called anything except al-Majdal. Of course many authors have noted the ancient name parenthetically after naming al-Majdal, but that doesn't count. Zero talk 22:51, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm still unsatisfied by this being present without a source. Also, Al-Jura was much closer to the site of ancient Ascalon than al-Majdal was, it is almost missing from this article. Zero talk 22:31, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
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Zep 2:4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up
Should not this be noted? Yes, or no? Why, or why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.87.16 ( talk) 19:50, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
The Byzantine section is using Ascalon - any reason? jde 188.164.224.203 ( talk) 15:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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I can nowhere find source that Morris claimed that Ashkelon had been "occupied in 1948"Ashkelon is not occupied under international law. I proposed a neutral wording like "taken" which does not have legal connotation. Tritomex ( talk) 19:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
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A citation is required, at this point: "As it was the last of the Philistine cities to hold out against Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II. When it fell in 604 BC, burnt and destroyed and its people taken into exile, the Philistine era was over."
The destruction on the city in 604 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar II can be found in the Babylonian Chronicles (BM 21946 obv. 18-20), edited by Wiseman 1961 (first ed. 1956), p. 68f. with notes at p. 85 and time table at p. 47. This at least partly covers the statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.245.118.30 ( talk) 12:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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In the first section, the phrase -the remaining Arabs were deported by the 1950s. There is no reference. Whether people left on their own accord, or were forcibly deported is an extremely important distinction and without any reference, I find it doubtful that the number of people who left on their own accord and the people who were deported is known which such certainty to make an absolute statement like that. Eframgoldberg ( talk) 01:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
As of 2018-19, the mayor is no longer Itamar Shimoni, Tomer Glam was elected mayor in the 2018 regional elections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egormat1 ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I ask permission to add the Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic name of Ashkelon to the article under the heading of '
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Do we need such details about the 1948 war in the lead? Zarcademan123456 ( talk) 07:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
The Landmarks section goes: "When his remains were later discovered on the hospital grounds, funds from the Shi'ite Ismaili sect in India were used to construct a marble prayer area, and it is visited by Shiite pilgrims from India and Pakistan."
The Shi'a sect that rebuilt is the Dawoodi Bohras under the tutelage of Mohammed Burhanuddin. The pilgrims visit not only from India and Pakistan, but also places like the UK, Yemen, US, and East Africa.
Ref: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barzilai_Medical_Center#Husayn_shrine
Ref (pages 30 to 34): https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301537484_Vicissitudes_of_a_Holy_Place_Construction_Destruction_and_Commemoration_of_Mashhad_Husayn_in_Ascalon#citations Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 11:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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In the opening paragraph, add "Israelite" before and after "Philistine". The Israelite's evolved out of the Canaanites, therefore they should come before Philistines. The Philistine's, who were likely a Greek related people who came from the sea supplanted the Israelite's for a few centuries before themselves being assimilated into the Iron Age Israelite culture. Therefore, Israelite should come after Philistine as well. Also, Persians should come before the Hasmonean's, Greek's and Roman's. Jaketheforestdude ( talk) 20:29, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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Regarding the citation needed here: "When it fell in 604 BCE, burnt and destroyed and its people taken into exile, the Philistine era was over.[citation needed]"
The Babylonian Chronicle reads as follows:
He (Nebuchadrezzar) marched to the city of Ashkelon and captured it in the month of Kislev. He captured its king and plundered it and carried off [spoil from it . . .] He turned the city into a mound and heaps of ruins and then in the month of Sebat he marched back to Babylon. [BM 21946, 18–20] Babylonian Chronicle, D. J. Wiseman (1956:68, 85)
There is also extensive discussion in the archaeological report Stager LE, Master DM, Schloen DJ. (2011) Ashkelon 3: The Seventh Century B.C. Available here: https://hmane.harvard.edu/publications/ashkelon-3 -- RasakiA ( talk) 12:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
I cannot find any source for the Philistine language pronunciation *ʾĪšqālān of 𐤀𐤔𐤒𐤋𐤍. If there is no source for this pronunciation, it needs to be removed from the page. Antiquistik ( talk) 00:15, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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In July 2010, a Grad rocket hit a residential area in Ashkelon, damaging nearby cars and an apartment complex. [1]
It seems to be part of the history of the town and had been in the article since 2010. XavierItzm ( talk) 11:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
The same goes for a bunch of the material in the post-state section. It should summarize Ashkelon's involvement in the conflict, not give a blow by blow. Ill try to fix that. nableezy - 18:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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@ Onceinawhile: Once again I protest the removal of virtually all the pre-modern history to another article at a non-intuitive title. What is the purpose of this? Nobody says "Tel Ashkelon" in crusades historiography. Srnec ( talk) 01:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
For example, when I click "What links here", the top links are:
The city they mention is what is now covered under the name Tel Ashkelon. Who is going to check the ~2000 incoming links? Only a fraction of these articles could even use the "naturally disambiguated" title Tel Ashkelon. Srnec ( talk) 01:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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change the description to remove the mention of Ashkelon being a “ancient Levantine metropolis”. Why? because other cities in Israel, including it’s northern neighbour Ashdod do not have a description that mentions their ancient history so why should Ashkelon? even then many of the ancient philistine cities were important in ancient times including but not limited to Ashkelon so this seems a bit odd. 2A02:14F:2:C3BE:9598:D9B2:A23C:7E59 ( talk) 06:26, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
There was no worning via SMS to the people of the city before the rocket attack and the source provided by even state that: "In response to the enemy's crime of displacing our people and forcing them to flee their homes in several areas of the Gaza Strip, we give the residents of the occupied city of Ashkelon a deadline to leave before 5 p.m.," Abu Obeida, the spokesperson for Hamas's Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades said in a post on Telegram.
Hamas upliaded the "warning" to their telegram page, not SMS to the citizens they have targeted. 2A0D:6FC2:5FA0:6000:C53B:A30B:5483:E8D0 ( talk) 14:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
"On October 10, 2023, Abu Obaida, spokesperson for Hamas, warned all citizens of Ashkelon to evacuate before 5:00 P.M. local time via a post to his Telegram channel. Once the deadline hit, Hamas launched hundreds of missiles towards Ashkelon."
This did not happen the cited Yahoo News source has nothing to do with this. Icantthinkofaname22 ( talk) 00:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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− | Afridar is a [[portmanteau]] (blend word) for [[South Africa]], the country | + | Afridar is a [[portmanteau]] (blend word) for [[South Africa]], the country where the company who built the neighborhood was established, 'and 'Amidar'', the housing company which was established the same year by the Israeli government. |
Ayala Levin (2019) South African ‘know-how’ and Israeli ‘facts of life’: the planning of Afridar, Ashkelon, 1949–1956, Planning Perspectives, 34:2, 285-309, DOI: 10.1080/02665433.2017.1389657 To link to this article: https://doi.org/10.1080/02665433.2017.1389657
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Here is the quote from the article I mentioned above- it shows the original plan, when the company was already established and named had nothing to do with building in the South, but panned to build in the North (Haifa), it mentions South africa, and the partnership with Gov't agency "Amidar" :
"the South African Jewish Appeal decided to allocate a million pounds for the construction of immigrant housing in Israel, to help facilitate holocaust survivors’ integration into the young country’s social and economic life.Footnote17 Since housing was the Israeli government’s top priority, this initiative was duly welcomed by the Israeli state. To this end, the Appeal set up the Afridar Corporation in partnership with the housing company Amidar, which was established the same year by the Israeli government. The Appeal initially envisioned its contribution as a suburb on the outskirts of Haifa " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentucky Rain24 ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
It doesn't mention etymology explicitly, but it's clear that the current claim in the article about "south" is wrong (and does not have a source).
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The rocket that hit the Ashkelon hospital did not hit it in may 2008 but earlier, in februray 08: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3512185,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.229.116.204 ( talk) 19:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
The image on this page needs to be reset for a smaller size. Brockthepaine 16:39, 25 Mar 2008
How pretentious that Ashkelon is Ashqelon in the English-language Wikipedia, to stroke parochial vanities. Wetman 16:22, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Wha...? Where is this coming from? Isn't Ashqelon the official spelling? It was always my understanding that Ashkelon is a media spelling, much like Rechovot instead of Rehovot, or Eilat instead of Elat, or Hawaii instead of Hawai‘i. Ashqelon is also the closest diacritic-free spelling alternate to the academic Standard Hebrew transliteration, Ašqəlon. What's the matter? Who's stroking whose vanities? - Gilgamesh 01:00, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
This is what I know. Before recently when I merged Ashkelon and Ashqelon, Ashkelon was about the history of the city (including modern times), and Ashqelon was purely about the Israeli city with a few more specific details on it. It's also been Asqalān in Arabic and Ascalon in Latin. With all the different forms, I thought it proper to unite them under the Standard Hebrew name. - Gilgamesh 02:49, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Also, look at the page history of Ashqelon to see how the article already existed. Since it's the article for the city today, I put Ashkelon's content in the history section then placed a redirect to Ashqelon. And "Ashqelon" is not as uncommon as you may think — there are thousands of Google results for it. There's nothing pretentious about it; it would instead seem to suggest that Ashqelon and Ashkelon are both permissable spellings and neither is necessarily wrong. Also, plenty of other articles for Israeli cities (and Israeli settlements) use Q in the article spelling. See Qiryat Arba. - Gilgamesh 02:55, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
One reason that there was an entry Ashkelon for the ancient city and a separate Ashqelon for the modern one is that the modern city is not historically continuous with the ancient site, nor even exactly on the same ground. (Please click on the link.) "Ashkelon" has been the standard spelling in English print since the 17th century, google-schmoogle. Wetman 01:43, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Please see comments regarding this matter at [2] Thank you. IZAK 08:00, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#New "twist and turn" as "Hebrew alphabet" is switched to "Hebrew languages" concerning appropriate uses of the word "Hebrew" here. IZAK 05:33, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
A large chunck of history between Byzantium and the Crusades needs to be filled in. -- Yodakii 08:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
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Ashkelon ( Hebrew: אַשְׁקְלוֹן; Tiberian Hebrew ʾAšqəlôn; Arabic: عسقلان ⓘ; Latin: Ascalon) is a city in the western Negev, in the South District of Israel. It was established on the area of an the ancient Philistine (an non- semitic sea people unrelated to todays people by similar name). Ashkelon is seaport on the east coast of the Mediterranean Sea just north of Gaza, close to the ruins of the ancient city which existed for over 5000 years. There are about 117,000 citizens in the city. The anciant city was detroyed at 604 BC by the Babilonian king Nbochadnezar and again during the Arab conquest in 1270 AD. An Arab settlement called "Al-Mijdal" was established on the site after the original area was destroyed completely by the Mamluke king Biberes after it had served as a Crusader base. There remained a large Jewish population in the town until the Crusaders invaded the region in 1153. This was the remnant of the population into which Hordus the king had been born, the Jewish King who rebuilt the Second Temple, and also invested in much building efforts in Ashkelon. The city is home to several startigic facilities such as a power plant, a small harbor and one of the world largest de-salinization plant - all located at the southern end of the city. Recently, the area has been a target of Palestinian Kasam rockets fired from Gaza.
i figure there's some good info here which needs to be readmitted, i will maybe give it a go at a later date. Jaakobou 05:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
The first requirement is a good source, but that text had no source at all. Second, a lot of that material is already present in the article in a more reliable form. Third, some of this text is pure speculation, such as the claim that the Jewish population in 1153 was a remnant of some population of 1500+ years earlier. This is way, way, more than any actual historical evidence can possibly be found for. We should avoid speculative assertions. Of course, well-sourced data on the Jewish history would be welcome (though not necessarily in the introduction). Also the time of founding of al-Migdal needs a source and besides it was not "on the site" but a few km to the north-east. It wasn't even the closest Arab village to the site (that was al-Jurah). The relevance of al-Migdal to this article is that the houses of al-Migdal were the initial buildings of modern Ashkelon. -- Zero talk 08:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I am really not sure why all this Mijdal info is in this article.
Ashkelon is a city that existed from biblical times and now a city in modern israel.
Mijdal is a Palestinian village/town that was near by (a bit inland) and no longer exist - it dersve it;s own article like many non exist Palestinians towns.
Sure but Mijdal is a town that has been icluded by the the growing city of Ashkelon. Furthermore in its present day it isnt in possesion of the Palestinian authority, and neither is it included within the 1967 boundaries, nor the armistice line. Zeq 15:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I rewrote the Crusader history section for Ashkelon because i thought it was unacceptable considering that this was an important city during that period. I'll do the Roman and Byzantine history at a later date. Hera52 17:51, 01 July 2007
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Stop declaring lies based on propaganda books about the city of Ashkelon. Whoever is responsible for this page should not allow people to write fake contest under disguise of quoting serious books.
Stop declaring lies based on propaganda books about the city of Ashkelon. Whoever is responsible for this page should not allow people to write fake context under disguise of quoting serious books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativityisme ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
This article has major POV issues, particularly in the Modern History section. If the information is verifiable, it needs to be worded much differently. I have not seen such a bad case of NPOV on Wikipedia in quite a while.
We really need an audio file for the Hebrew pronunciation. —Preceding
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The Persian period is missing, including the amazing dog cemetery that is the largest ancient burial place for dogs ever found. Someone please add! Zero talk 11:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
From the lede: "In the course of its history, it has been ruled by the Canaanites, the Philistines, the Israelites, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Phoenicians, the Romans, the Persians, the Egyptians, the Muslims, the British and the Crusaders."
Which "Muslims" is this talking about? Given that all the rulers listed are nations/states/specific ethnic groups, shouldn't "Muslims" be replaced with whichever specific Muslim nation(s)/state(s)/people(s) were ruling it.
Also, what British rule is it talking about? I could see no other mention of the British in the article. Does it mean the early 20th century Palistinian Mandate (in which case why is it listed before the Crusaders), or something else? Wardog ( talk) 11:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I deleted:
Reason: This is a mistake. What Benjamin wrote was "From there it is five parasangs to Palmid, which is Ashdod of the Philistines, now in ruins; no Jews dwell there. Thence it is two parasangs to Ashkelonah or New Askelon, which Ezra the priest built by the sea. It was originally called Bene Berak. The place is four parasangs distant from the ancient ruined city of Askelon. New Askelon is a large and fair place, and merchants come thither from all quarters, for it is situated on the frontier of Egypt. About 200 Rabbanite Jews dwell here, at their head being R. Zemach, R. Aaron, and R. Solomon; also about forty Karaites, and about 300 Cuthim." So Benjamin was describing a place quite some distance from Ashkelon. Four parasangs is about 22 km, greater than the distance from Ashkelon to Ashdod. Zero talk 23:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
On the other hand it could be that Benjamin was mistaken when writing "The place is four parasangs distant from the ancient ruined city of Askelon." It would be original research to sort this out ourselves; I found a modern source which does interpret the place as Ashkelon. Zero talk 00:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
I think Benjamin of Tudela is mistaking the ruins of Mayunas Ashkelon, which is was a Byzantine town/port somewhat north of the ancient tell, with that of the original tell. Furthermore he talks about karaites being present in ( new Ashkelon ) which thus must be the ancient tell, if we deduct it from karaite sources in Ashkelon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.67.201.103 ( talk) 13:14, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Relevant sources for this article:
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Greetings,
The heading says "Roman" era, but what is mentioned is Persian, Greek, and Roman "eras".
Also, not much of the "Roman" or Byzantine eras is actually discussed.
Then, there's no mention of the first Islamic conquest in the 600s A.D.
76.17.118.157 ( talk) 02:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps the kind people of wikipedia could include information (under "Landmarks") about the recent discovery of a Roman Era Statue, a ruined bath house,and a ruined mosaics. This was after a storm hit Askelon's Beach around December 15 2010. I found it on The CNN website. Sorry, no link. Thanks NDGKH ( talk) 00:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
A user at IP address 129.98.208.150 added, at the top of that section of the article, a comment saying:
(This narrative reflects the view of revisionist historian Benny Morris, and has not been verified as fact)
There is no way I will get involved with an Israel–Palestine argument, but since I removed the commentary from the article itself, I thought it fair to post the IP editor's complaint on the talk page. If anyone else sees the use of Morris as a problem, here's the place to discuss it. A. Parrot ( talk) 23:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Is there a reliable source for the Arab village being called al-Majdal Asqalan? I don't think I've seen it called anything except al-Majdal. Of course many authors have noted the ancient name parenthetically after naming al-Majdal, but that doesn't count. Zero talk 22:51, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm still unsatisfied by this being present without a source. Also, Al-Jura was much closer to the site of ancient Ascalon than al-Majdal was, it is almost missing from this article. Zero talk 22:31, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
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Zep 2:4 For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up
Should not this be noted? Yes, or no? Why, or why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.87.16 ( talk) 19:50, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
The Byzantine section is using Ascalon - any reason? jde 188.164.224.203 ( talk) 15:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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I can nowhere find source that Morris claimed that Ashkelon had been "occupied in 1948"Ashkelon is not occupied under international law. I proposed a neutral wording like "taken" which does not have legal connotation. Tritomex ( talk) 19:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
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A citation is required, at this point: "As it was the last of the Philistine cities to hold out against Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II. When it fell in 604 BC, burnt and destroyed and its people taken into exile, the Philistine era was over."
The destruction on the city in 604 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar II can be found in the Babylonian Chronicles (BM 21946 obv. 18-20), edited by Wiseman 1961 (first ed. 1956), p. 68f. with notes at p. 85 and time table at p. 47. This at least partly covers the statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.245.118.30 ( talk) 12:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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In the first section, the phrase -the remaining Arabs were deported by the 1950s. There is no reference. Whether people left on their own accord, or were forcibly deported is an extremely important distinction and without any reference, I find it doubtful that the number of people who left on their own accord and the people who were deported is known which such certainty to make an absolute statement like that. Eframgoldberg ( talk) 01:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
As of 2018-19, the mayor is no longer Itamar Shimoni, Tomer Glam was elected mayor in the 2018 regional elections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egormat1 ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I ask permission to add the Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic name of Ashkelon to the article under the heading of '
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Do we need such details about the 1948 war in the lead? Zarcademan123456 ( talk) 07:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
The Landmarks section goes: "When his remains were later discovered on the hospital grounds, funds from the Shi'ite Ismaili sect in India were used to construct a marble prayer area, and it is visited by Shiite pilgrims from India and Pakistan."
The Shi'a sect that rebuilt is the Dawoodi Bohras under the tutelage of Mohammed Burhanuddin. The pilgrims visit not only from India and Pakistan, but also places like the UK, Yemen, US, and East Africa.
Ref: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barzilai_Medical_Center#Husayn_shrine
Ref (pages 30 to 34): https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301537484_Vicissitudes_of_a_Holy_Place_Construction_Destruction_and_Commemoration_of_Mashhad_Husayn_in_Ascalon#citations Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 11:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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In the opening paragraph, add "Israelite" before and after "Philistine". The Israelite's evolved out of the Canaanites, therefore they should come before Philistines. The Philistine's, who were likely a Greek related people who came from the sea supplanted the Israelite's for a few centuries before themselves being assimilated into the Iron Age Israelite culture. Therefore, Israelite should come after Philistine as well. Also, Persians should come before the Hasmonean's, Greek's and Roman's. Jaketheforestdude ( talk) 20:29, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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Regarding the citation needed here: "When it fell in 604 BCE, burnt and destroyed and its people taken into exile, the Philistine era was over.[citation needed]"
The Babylonian Chronicle reads as follows:
He (Nebuchadrezzar) marched to the city of Ashkelon and captured it in the month of Kislev. He captured its king and plundered it and carried off [spoil from it . . .] He turned the city into a mound and heaps of ruins and then in the month of Sebat he marched back to Babylon. [BM 21946, 18–20] Babylonian Chronicle, D. J. Wiseman (1956:68, 85)
There is also extensive discussion in the archaeological report Stager LE, Master DM, Schloen DJ. (2011) Ashkelon 3: The Seventh Century B.C. Available here: https://hmane.harvard.edu/publications/ashkelon-3 -- RasakiA ( talk) 12:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
I cannot find any source for the Philistine language pronunciation *ʾĪšqālān of 𐤀𐤔𐤒𐤋𐤍. If there is no source for this pronunciation, it needs to be removed from the page. Antiquistik ( talk) 00:15, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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In July 2010, a Grad rocket hit a residential area in Ashkelon, damaging nearby cars and an apartment complex. [1]
It seems to be part of the history of the town and had been in the article since 2010. XavierItzm ( talk) 11:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
The same goes for a bunch of the material in the post-state section. It should summarize Ashkelon's involvement in the conflict, not give a blow by blow. Ill try to fix that. nableezy - 18:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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@ Onceinawhile: Once again I protest the removal of virtually all the pre-modern history to another article at a non-intuitive title. What is the purpose of this? Nobody says "Tel Ashkelon" in crusades historiography. Srnec ( talk) 01:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
For example, when I click "What links here", the top links are:
The city they mention is what is now covered under the name Tel Ashkelon. Who is going to check the ~2000 incoming links? Only a fraction of these articles could even use the "naturally disambiguated" title Tel Ashkelon. Srnec ( talk) 01:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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change the description to remove the mention of Ashkelon being a “ancient Levantine metropolis”. Why? because other cities in Israel, including it’s northern neighbour Ashdod do not have a description that mentions their ancient history so why should Ashkelon? even then many of the ancient philistine cities were important in ancient times including but not limited to Ashkelon so this seems a bit odd. 2A02:14F:2:C3BE:9598:D9B2:A23C:7E59 ( talk) 06:26, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
There was no worning via SMS to the people of the city before the rocket attack and the source provided by even state that: "In response to the enemy's crime of displacing our people and forcing them to flee their homes in several areas of the Gaza Strip, we give the residents of the occupied city of Ashkelon a deadline to leave before 5 p.m.," Abu Obeida, the spokesperson for Hamas's Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades said in a post on Telegram.
Hamas upliaded the "warning" to their telegram page, not SMS to the citizens they have targeted. 2A0D:6FC2:5FA0:6000:C53B:A30B:5483:E8D0 ( talk) 14:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
"On October 10, 2023, Abu Obaida, spokesperson for Hamas, warned all citizens of Ashkelon to evacuate before 5:00 P.M. local time via a post to his Telegram channel. Once the deadline hit, Hamas launched hundreds of missiles towards Ashkelon."
This did not happen the cited Yahoo News source has nothing to do with this. Icantthinkofaname22 ( talk) 00:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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− | Afridar is a [[portmanteau]] (blend word) for [[South Africa]], the country | + | Afridar is a [[portmanteau]] (blend word) for [[South Africa]], the country where the company who built the neighborhood was established, 'and 'Amidar'', the housing company which was established the same year by the Israeli government. |
Ayala Levin (2019) South African ‘know-how’ and Israeli ‘facts of life’: the planning of Afridar, Ashkelon, 1949–1956, Planning Perspectives, 34:2, 285-309, DOI: 10.1080/02665433.2017.1389657 To link to this article: https://doi.org/10.1080/02665433.2017.1389657
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Here is the quote from the article I mentioned above- it shows the original plan, when the company was already established and named had nothing to do with building in the South, but panned to build in the North (Haifa), it mentions South africa, and the partnership with Gov't agency "Amidar" :
"the South African Jewish Appeal decided to allocate a million pounds for the construction of immigrant housing in Israel, to help facilitate holocaust survivors’ integration into the young country’s social and economic life.Footnote17 Since housing was the Israeli government’s top priority, this initiative was duly welcomed by the Israeli state. To this end, the Appeal set up the Afridar Corporation in partnership with the housing company Amidar, which was established the same year by the Israeli government. The Appeal initially envisioned its contribution as a suburb on the outskirts of Haifa " — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentucky Rain24 ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
It doesn't mention etymology explicitly, but it's clear that the current claim in the article about "south" is wrong (and does not have a source).