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FIFA give the name Arena de São Paulo to the stadium. You can see in the 2014 FIFA World Cup page and in the Portuguese and Spanish pages. I moved the page to the new name. -- Carioca ( talk) 19:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
This article Arena Corinthians has a high level of controversy. Corinthians Team is unpopular in Brazil as a team that is notably and demonstrably buying titles (they robbed 2002 Copa do Brasil, 2009 Copa do Brasil, and all, most brazen theft was the 2005 Campeonato Brasileiro Série A, and tried to rob others too) and have connects with the Brazilian media mafia. This stadium was funded hastily and in a highly suspect and controversial, generating a huge national controversy in Brazil. The World Cup Stadium in São Paulo should be the Morumbi, but purposely the government made impossible requests to fulfill, to have an excuse to remove the Morumbi from Cup, and enjoy the chance to build a stadium and simply surrender it to Corinhtians. Clearly been held in Brazil, an attempt to do a forced aggrandizement to Corinthians, with the help of the government itself (former President Lula even was a supporter of Corinthians, and the idea is that the Corinhtians, being a "mass team", may serve to "controlling" the Brazilian people or tame him before major problems of the country). The article does not say anything about it. I think even unfortunate highlight this article as GA, it's like trying to highlight an article about a thief or a murderer. Brazil has 200 million inhabitants, 30 million are fans of Corinthians and 170 hate this team and all that it represents. I'm warning you this article will never be stable, because of the level of controversy in which he engages. Rauzaruku ( talk) 05:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
If your point is about political maneuvering to "leave Morumbi out of the World Cup", you can get way better sources than those. I did not include them in the article because:
There are plenty of people trying to sue the city of São Paulo, the club, the federal government and so on. So far, all the processes have been dismissed. I do not think those should be put on the article, as anybody can sue anybody, but the merit is not a given, must go through the judges.
About the accident, there is plenty of information there about it, but causes have not been established yet; speculation is rife with this kind of accident everywhere, not only here. I would refrain to post a cause until the final results from investigations come back.
Finally, your behavior has been very disruptive. Since we did not get consensus on the changes - a fact that also stems from the fact that not many editors are in this article - I am reverting it to the GA version until consensus can be reached. A RFC is already open for this.
On your SPA accusations, I do not have much time available, and try to go deep on my articles. You can check my history for it.
Finally, the tags your slapped on the article:
Not sure why you say that. Care to explain?
I think now it is unbalanced, before it was balanced.
As before, there are a lot of warriors on both camps, but no hard facts. The article in its GA version is based on facts. This sounds more like a conspiracy theory than anything else. I understand that you have strong feelings about the club from the fact it is a sports rival of your favorite team, but it should not come to this article. You may want to edit articles about the club, Andres Sanchez or Ricardo Teixeira and discuss those changes there.
Based on that, I am reverting it to the GA version until consensus is reached. Legionarius ( talk) 12:37, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hello everyone, I found a source [ [11]] that says the test match for this stadium is being held on May 17 -- should we add this information into the article? If you think so let me know, and I can do that. Adamh4 ( talk) 17:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
I put a "not in source" for the build date, but it was removed because the title contains "delivered", but the title of the article is "Unfinished and 'open to all', Arena is delivered by the builder Timon" Christian75 ( talk) 09:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC) Doesnt sound like finished (from 2 May 2014), [12] Christian75 ( talk) 19:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Legionarius ( talk) 11:17, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
A great many of the references are in Portuguese and the titles of them are presented in Portuguese as well. They should be translated using the trans_title= parameter as discussed at template:cite web. If I do it, you'll end-up with clunky, machine translated titles rather than natural ones. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 04:01, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I am taking the liberty to copy
Thenoflyzone comment here to continue the content-based discussion.
Legionarius (
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You claim 66,200 with your portuguese (non-official) source, and yet not a single game so far exceeded 62,601. FIFA.com is the source to be used, as that is the official source, and is also the actual seating capacity. Period. Uruguay vs England proved it.
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If this article is going to reflect the sponsored name, it should be at Neo Química Arena. Hack ( talk) 02:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved back to "Arena Corinthians" ( closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 22:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Neo Quimica Arena →
Neo Química Arena – Naming rights of the stadium was
sold out for 20 years in September 2020, and the company's name is Neo Química (with the diacritic), so name is currently incorrect.
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The article is out of date in quite a few places (f.i. "The stadium will have wi-fi and 4G LTE in all its sectors", with 2013 source). Will need a lick of paint to meet GA criteria again. —Femke 🐦 ( talk) 18:12, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 07:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Arena Corinthians → Neo Química Arena – New name since 2020. Already changed in Portuguese. 177.9.115.99 ( talk) 17:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). 162 etc. ( talk) 18:42, 17 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus ( talk) 08:44, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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FIFA give the name Arena de São Paulo to the stadium. You can see in the 2014 FIFA World Cup page and in the Portuguese and Spanish pages. I moved the page to the new name. -- Carioca ( talk) 19:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
This article Arena Corinthians has a high level of controversy. Corinthians Team is unpopular in Brazil as a team that is notably and demonstrably buying titles (they robbed 2002 Copa do Brasil, 2009 Copa do Brasil, and all, most brazen theft was the 2005 Campeonato Brasileiro Série A, and tried to rob others too) and have connects with the Brazilian media mafia. This stadium was funded hastily and in a highly suspect and controversial, generating a huge national controversy in Brazil. The World Cup Stadium in São Paulo should be the Morumbi, but purposely the government made impossible requests to fulfill, to have an excuse to remove the Morumbi from Cup, and enjoy the chance to build a stadium and simply surrender it to Corinhtians. Clearly been held in Brazil, an attempt to do a forced aggrandizement to Corinthians, with the help of the government itself (former President Lula even was a supporter of Corinthians, and the idea is that the Corinhtians, being a "mass team", may serve to "controlling" the Brazilian people or tame him before major problems of the country). The article does not say anything about it. I think even unfortunate highlight this article as GA, it's like trying to highlight an article about a thief or a murderer. Brazil has 200 million inhabitants, 30 million are fans of Corinthians and 170 hate this team and all that it represents. I'm warning you this article will never be stable, because of the level of controversy in which he engages. Rauzaruku ( talk) 05:04, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
If your point is about political maneuvering to "leave Morumbi out of the World Cup", you can get way better sources than those. I did not include them in the article because:
There are plenty of people trying to sue the city of São Paulo, the club, the federal government and so on. So far, all the processes have been dismissed. I do not think those should be put on the article, as anybody can sue anybody, but the merit is not a given, must go through the judges.
About the accident, there is plenty of information there about it, but causes have not been established yet; speculation is rife with this kind of accident everywhere, not only here. I would refrain to post a cause until the final results from investigations come back.
Finally, your behavior has been very disruptive. Since we did not get consensus on the changes - a fact that also stems from the fact that not many editors are in this article - I am reverting it to the GA version until consensus can be reached. A RFC is already open for this.
On your SPA accusations, I do not have much time available, and try to go deep on my articles. You can check my history for it.
Finally, the tags your slapped on the article:
Not sure why you say that. Care to explain?
I think now it is unbalanced, before it was balanced.
As before, there are a lot of warriors on both camps, but no hard facts. The article in its GA version is based on facts. This sounds more like a conspiracy theory than anything else. I understand that you have strong feelings about the club from the fact it is a sports rival of your favorite team, but it should not come to this article. You may want to edit articles about the club, Andres Sanchez or Ricardo Teixeira and discuss those changes there.
Based on that, I am reverting it to the GA version until consensus is reached. Legionarius ( talk) 12:37, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Royroydeb ( talk · contribs) 15:11, 21 September 2013 (UTC) Hi, I will be doing the review for this article.Nothing much to say but there are some drawbacks
Hope you improve. RRD13 ( talk) 15:11, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I found a source [ [11]] that says the test match for this stadium is being held on May 17 -- should we add this information into the article? If you think so let me know, and I can do that. Adamh4 ( talk) 17:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
I put a "not in source" for the build date, but it was removed because the title contains "delivered", but the title of the article is "Unfinished and 'open to all', Arena is delivered by the builder Timon" Christian75 ( talk) 09:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC) Doesnt sound like finished (from 2 May 2014), [12] Christian75 ( talk) 19:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Legionarius ( talk) 11:17, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
A great many of the references are in Portuguese and the titles of them are presented in Portuguese as well. They should be translated using the trans_title= parameter as discussed at template:cite web. If I do it, you'll end-up with clunky, machine translated titles rather than natural ones. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 04:01, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I am taking the liberty to copy
Thenoflyzone comment here to continue the content-based discussion.
Legionarius (
talk) 12:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
You claim 66,200 with your portuguese (non-official) source, and yet not a single game so far exceeded 62,601. FIFA.com is the source to be used, as that is the official source, and is also the actual seating capacity. Period. Uruguay vs England proved it.
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If this article is going to reflect the sponsored name, it should be at Neo Química Arena. Hack ( talk) 02:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved back to "Arena Corinthians" ( closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 22:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Neo Quimica Arena →
Neo Química Arena – Naming rights of the stadium was
sold out for 20 years in September 2020, and the company's name is Neo Química (with the diacritic), so name is currently incorrect.
BRDude70 (
talk) 14:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The article is out of date in quite a few places (f.i. "The stadium will have wi-fi and 4G LTE in all its sectors", with 2013 source). Will need a lick of paint to meet GA criteria again. —Femke 🐦 ( talk) 18:12, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 07:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Arena Corinthians → Neo Química Arena – New name since 2020. Already changed in Portuguese. 177.9.115.99 ( talk) 17:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). 162 etc. ( talk) 18:42, 17 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus ( talk) 08:44, 27 December 2023 (UTC)