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On 13 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Aramaic script. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
Someone wrote this, "Aramaic is also considered to be the most likely source of the Brahmi script, ancestor of the Brahmi family of scripts, which includes Devanagari". But how can it be true? Brahmi script is found in Indus valley. Fully mature Indus valley civilization (Harappa, Mohenjo daro) is 3500 BC old . Aramaic script is only 800 BC old. So definitely Brahmi script is older than Aramaic and probably source of Aramaic script. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.248.152.55 ( talk) 08:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Why is there more Syriac script than Aramaic script in this article? Syriac script is based on Aramaic script BUT this article is about the Aramaic script. Why is the first picture of this article a picture of the Syriac alphabet? Shouldn't the first picture be a picture of one of the first forms of the Aramaic alphabet? Maybe, for example, Imperial Aramaic? ܐܵܬܘܿܪܵܝܵܐ 19:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Where happened with all the letter images?
User:Vassili_Nikolaev 03-nov-2003
Sorry, it's my IE5.5 somehow does not show png pictures anymore. It works fine in Netscape.
User:Vassili_Nikolaev 03-nov-2003
You knowledgable folks may want to vet changes made by User 134.76.165.76 Wetman 16:45, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hy. My name is Andrei and I would, please, like to know how do you write my name in aramaic.Thank you.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to spell my daughters name in aramaic. Her name is ZOE.
Blue Skies Frank
Aramaic alphabet isn't part of Unicode??
It split into several forms, including Hebrew, Syriac, and Mandaic. No one seems to have wanted to encode the original, since it can be treated as a font variation of one of the descendants. - Mustafaa 12:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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For consistency with Aramaic language this article uses BCE era convention instead of BC in two places. This article is wholly consistent in itself in this usage, but it is not consistent with Template:Alphabets (see my remark here). As that template is being reviewed at the moment, it seems inappropriate to make the article consistent with it. The article in BCE is consistent with Manual of Style and is appropriate to the content. I do not feel that there is sufficient merit to change it. -- Gareth Hughes 20:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
What is the source for the letter-names we use here? -- Evertype· ✆ 12:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
If the "Aramaic alphabet ... developed out of the Phoenician alphabet", any later alphabet that can be traced back to the Aramaic one, can be traced further back to the Phoenician. It is therefore not "the Aramaic alphabet [that] is historically significant since virtually all modern Indian and Middle Eastern writing systems use a script that can be traced back to it", it is the Phoenician. -- Futhark| Talk 17:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Unless evidence is provided to show the Brahmi Script originating from the Aramaic Script, i am removing the line from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.206.125 ( talk) 01:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
how can i write my name.."giorgos" (ie in english language meaning george) in aramaic ?
I noted that Gareth Hughes 23:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC) had removed all links in the Infobox WS that describe the Parent system all the way back to the Egyptian hieroglyphs, for the Arameic script and other scripts. I don't understand the reason for that. It surely cannot be controversial that the Aramaic, Phoenician, Greek, and Proto-Canaanite (and others) scripts all emanate from the Egyptian hieroglyphs. It would be interesting to see the argument, as those relations between scripts are manifested throughout Wikipedia as well as elsewhere, since years.
May I note that the Georgian alphabet is not an offspring of the Aramaic alphabet, but rather a free - although surely inspired - invention of its inventor, as is the case with the Armenian alphabet?
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I believe that this script should be classified as "High" importance, rather than "Top". While it is an important middle-ground between Phoenecian and many modern scripts, I do not believe it is so central to an understanding of the subject of writing systems as a whole as Phonecian, Arabic, Greek, Brahmi, etc. Vanisaac ( talk) 07:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I assume Aramaic was usually written right-to-left, like Phoenician and Hebrew? If so, this should be stated in the article. AxelBoldt ( talk) 12:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
What happened to the "Aramaic script" column? It is now renamed to "Hebrew script". Now there are two different columns saying Hebrew. @ Achayan: I am no expert but my guess is that this edit was a misstake? Not sure though, therefore I'm asking here first. Shmayo ( talk) 16:43, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
hello, i am not able to display some of the characters on this page. you can see an example here :
http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd496/frabjousday123/Untitled-1_3.jpg
this happens with both firefox and with chrome, so i don't think it is a browser issue. i have already checked the browser configuration and the possibility to download missing fonts automatically is enabled. does anyone have an idea how i can see these missing characters ?
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Isn't the name of the article incorrect? The Aramaic writing system is an abjad and not an alphabet, right? Fantumphool ( talk) 08:07, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Where does your association between Brahmi and North Semitic scripts come from? Because in the Brahmi script article at: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmi_script the Aramaic semkath is 𑀱, Sādhē is 𑀘 and Shin is 𑀰, citing Bühler 1898, p. 82-83 [1] and Salomon 1998, p. 25 [2] as source. Princ3jah ( talk) 09:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Princ3jah ( talk) 09:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
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Why /alap/ and not /alaf/, when final /t/ and /d/ are 'th' and 'dh' in Dālath and Yodh? Andreas Schuele in "Introduction to Biblical Aramaic" (2012: 10) states that the spirantisation after vowels applied to all of begadkefat, just as in Masoretic Hebrew.-- 79.100.149.219 ( talk) 22:17, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I see that the letter names given originally were basically the standard Masoretic Hebrew versions of the names, which are often used conventionally to refer to the genetically corresponding letters in abjads. The current forms appear to be the product of interplay between the modifications introduced by two users in 2006, here and here, and their edit summaries suggest that they didn't take the supposedly Aramaic forms of names from any source, but arrived at them through their own original research, whose accuracy I see no reason to be confident in. I think the names ought to be sourced properly or replaced with something sourced.-- 79.100.149.219 ( talk) 22:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Six years ago a User has posted this message:
Since then, seemingly nothing has happened. This issue remains unsolved. And my question is ‐ why?-- 2003:CF:3F07:9F7E:AC10:AE30:96C9:7999 ( talk) 21:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Change title to Aramaic script it isnt an alphabet AleksiB 1945 ( talk) 10:28, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 19:47, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Aramaic alphabet → Aramaic script – Its an abjad not an alphabet. AleksiB 1945 ( talk) 08:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 17:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
"The libraries at Susa, Persepolis, Ekbatana, and other provincial administrative centers contained documents in Aramaic as well as Old Persian written in the Aramaic alphabet",
"the Brahmi script was derived for commercial use in the eighth century B.C. from an Aramaic alphabet",
"Inscribed on both thighs, Greek on the left; Parthian on the right in a variation of the eastern Aramaic alphabet"). By our naming conventions, this is a script. – Austronesier ( talk) 13:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Can you add image to the top to show the script? 102.44.243.243 ( talk) 12:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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On 13 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Aramaic script. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
Someone wrote this, "Aramaic is also considered to be the most likely source of the Brahmi script, ancestor of the Brahmi family of scripts, which includes Devanagari". But how can it be true? Brahmi script is found in Indus valley. Fully mature Indus valley civilization (Harappa, Mohenjo daro) is 3500 BC old . Aramaic script is only 800 BC old. So definitely Brahmi script is older than Aramaic and probably source of Aramaic script. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.248.152.55 ( talk) 08:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
Why is there more Syriac script than Aramaic script in this article? Syriac script is based on Aramaic script BUT this article is about the Aramaic script. Why is the first picture of this article a picture of the Syriac alphabet? Shouldn't the first picture be a picture of one of the first forms of the Aramaic alphabet? Maybe, for example, Imperial Aramaic? ܐܵܬܘܿܪܵܝܵܐ 19:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Where happened with all the letter images?
User:Vassili_Nikolaev 03-nov-2003
Sorry, it's my IE5.5 somehow does not show png pictures anymore. It works fine in Netscape.
User:Vassili_Nikolaev 03-nov-2003
You knowledgable folks may want to vet changes made by User 134.76.165.76 Wetman 16:45, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hy. My name is Andrei and I would, please, like to know how do you write my name in aramaic.Thank you.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to spell my daughters name in aramaic. Her name is ZOE.
Blue Skies Frank
Aramaic alphabet isn't part of Unicode??
It split into several forms, including Hebrew, Syriac, and Mandaic. No one seems to have wanted to encode the original, since it can be treated as a font variation of one of the descendants. - Mustafaa 12:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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For consistency with Aramaic language this article uses BCE era convention instead of BC in two places. This article is wholly consistent in itself in this usage, but it is not consistent with Template:Alphabets (see my remark here). As that template is being reviewed at the moment, it seems inappropriate to make the article consistent with it. The article in BCE is consistent with Manual of Style and is appropriate to the content. I do not feel that there is sufficient merit to change it. -- Gareth Hughes 20:51, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
What is the source for the letter-names we use here? -- Evertype· ✆ 12:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
If the "Aramaic alphabet ... developed out of the Phoenician alphabet", any later alphabet that can be traced back to the Aramaic one, can be traced further back to the Phoenician. It is therefore not "the Aramaic alphabet [that] is historically significant since virtually all modern Indian and Middle Eastern writing systems use a script that can be traced back to it", it is the Phoenician. -- Futhark| Talk 17:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Unless evidence is provided to show the Brahmi Script originating from the Aramaic Script, i am removing the line from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.206.125 ( talk) 01:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
how can i write my name.."giorgos" (ie in english language meaning george) in aramaic ?
I noted that Gareth Hughes 23:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC) had removed all links in the Infobox WS that describe the Parent system all the way back to the Egyptian hieroglyphs, for the Arameic script and other scripts. I don't understand the reason for that. It surely cannot be controversial that the Aramaic, Phoenician, Greek, and Proto-Canaanite (and others) scripts all emanate from the Egyptian hieroglyphs. It would be interesting to see the argument, as those relations between scripts are manifested throughout Wikipedia as well as elsewhere, since years.
May I note that the Georgian alphabet is not an offspring of the Aramaic alphabet, but rather a free - although surely inspired - invention of its inventor, as is the case with the Armenian alphabet?
{{{name}}} appears!
I believe that this script should be classified as "High" importance, rather than "Top". While it is an important middle-ground between Phoenecian and many modern scripts, I do not believe it is so central to an understanding of the subject of writing systems as a whole as Phonecian, Arabic, Greek, Brahmi, etc. Vanisaac ( talk) 07:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I assume Aramaic was usually written right-to-left, like Phoenician and Hebrew? If so, this should be stated in the article. AxelBoldt ( talk) 12:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
What happened to the "Aramaic script" column? It is now renamed to "Hebrew script". Now there are two different columns saying Hebrew. @ Achayan: I am no expert but my guess is that this edit was a misstake? Not sure though, therefore I'm asking here first. Shmayo ( talk) 16:43, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
hello, i am not able to display some of the characters on this page. you can see an example here :
http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd496/frabjousday123/Untitled-1_3.jpg
this happens with both firefox and with chrome, so i don't think it is a browser issue. i have already checked the browser configuration and the possibility to download missing fonts automatically is enabled. does anyone have an idea how i can see these missing characters ?
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Isn't the name of the article incorrect? The Aramaic writing system is an abjad and not an alphabet, right? Fantumphool ( talk) 08:07, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Where does your association between Brahmi and North Semitic scripts come from? Because in the Brahmi script article at: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmi_script the Aramaic semkath is 𑀱, Sādhē is 𑀘 and Shin is 𑀰, citing Bühler 1898, p. 82-83 [1] and Salomon 1998, p. 25 [2] as source. Princ3jah ( talk) 09:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Princ3jah ( talk) 09:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
References
Why /alap/ and not /alaf/, when final /t/ and /d/ are 'th' and 'dh' in Dālath and Yodh? Andreas Schuele in "Introduction to Biblical Aramaic" (2012: 10) states that the spirantisation after vowels applied to all of begadkefat, just as in Masoretic Hebrew.-- 79.100.149.219 ( talk) 22:17, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I see that the letter names given originally were basically the standard Masoretic Hebrew versions of the names, which are often used conventionally to refer to the genetically corresponding letters in abjads. The current forms appear to be the product of interplay between the modifications introduced by two users in 2006, here and here, and their edit summaries suggest that they didn't take the supposedly Aramaic forms of names from any source, but arrived at them through their own original research, whose accuracy I see no reason to be confident in. I think the names ought to be sourced properly or replaced with something sourced.-- 79.100.149.219 ( talk) 22:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Six years ago a User has posted this message:
Since then, seemingly nothing has happened. This issue remains unsolved. And my question is ‐ why?-- 2003:CF:3F07:9F7E:AC10:AE30:96C9:7999 ( talk) 21:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Change title to Aramaic script it isnt an alphabet AleksiB 1945 ( talk) 10:28, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 19:47, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Aramaic alphabet → Aramaic script – Its an abjad not an alphabet. AleksiB 1945 ( talk) 08:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 17:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
"The libraries at Susa, Persepolis, Ekbatana, and other provincial administrative centers contained documents in Aramaic as well as Old Persian written in the Aramaic alphabet",
"the Brahmi script was derived for commercial use in the eighth century B.C. from an Aramaic alphabet",
"Inscribed on both thighs, Greek on the left; Parthian on the right in a variation of the eastern Aramaic alphabet"). By our naming conventions, this is a script. – Austronesier ( talk) 13:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
Can you add image to the top to show the script? 102.44.243.243 ( talk) 12:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)