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This long section has little connection with Ahmad Durrani and the relevance of him for the region the section deals with, is unclear.-- Severino ( talk) 19:26, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I agree and except the two last sentences, the whole section should be deleted. It is longwinded and includes random information that has nothing to do with Durrani. It also includes some 19th century style racialist thinking of mad dog, to which many Afghans are unfortunately very much attracted. There is no reason this needs to be here. 88.153.22.211 ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thirding this, completely irrelevant ramblings, pretty much all of it is by Milktaco, which appears to be a hacked account, how is this still up after 5 years ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.143.179.180 ( talk) 18:37, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
The chosen poetry is faked. It's not the original poem. Its a fabricated post-WWII piece. I would advise to take it down or to replace that section with another poem. In general that section is irrelevant for the article. 46.114.3.91 ( talk) 14:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Added Battle of attock Battle of lahore Battle of peshwar with citations From their respective main articles Please take a review And suggest some changes if needed Thank you. Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa ( talk) 15:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa, don't copy paste from other articles. If you are going toadd that info rewrite it from reliable sources, not just copy pasting. Kailanmapper ( talk) 17:20, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
According to Nejatie's The Pearl of Pearls: The Abdālī-Durrānī Confederacy and Its Transformation under Aḥmad Shāh, Durr-i Durrān, [1] "The fact that numerous sources composed in the ruler’s lifetime consistently connect him in his youth to Herat justifies the stance of Ghubār and others that Aḥmad Shāh was, in fact, born in the Herat region, around the time his father passed away and when the Abdālī leadership still exercised authority over the province." Some of the sources cited about Multan seems colonialist, not scholarly. Also, the Encyclopaedia of Islam cited is a tertiary source so it may not be really helpful in such a dispute, as Wikipedia favors scholarly WP:SECONDARY sources. My solution to this dispute would be to mention Herat, the most likely place of birth, in the infobox, but also mention Multan in the body of the article. The opinion of other editors is welcome here. Thanks, Khestwol ( talk) 07:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran Hey, I am asking users who are occasionally active on these pages, but I am just notifying you guys, that I will likely be working on a revamp on Ahmad Shah's page soon, just like how I did to Timur Shah Durrani, however I might do Zaman Shah Durrani, Mahmud Shah Durrani, and Shah Shuja Durrani, and Dost Mohammad Khan first. As I already revamped the pages, but newer sources I obtained have shed light to expand a lot. Noorullah21 ( talk) 00:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Ahmad Shah had a wife named Mimtta, she was the mother of Timur Shah. Kindly add this. Aurangzayb ( talk) 10:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Contact in Ocford university 82.5.103.31 ( talk) 17:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes he was born in Multan. One big family 2604:3D08:987E:0:6D12:F0FC:A929:1BEB ( talk) 11:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
A few personalities from Pakistan have been added that stress that they are descendants of Ahamd Shah Abdali just because they share the same last name as him. That's not how it works, Durrani is a large tribe which are often divided by sub-tribes. These people are not a descendant of him, they just belonged to the same tribe as Abdali. This should be removed or revised. Akmal94 ( talk) 23:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Noorullah21: Re: [6] The cited source (Hanifi, Deciphering the History of Modern Afghanistan) refers to Sulaiman as Ahmad Shah's chosen successor. - LouisAragon ( talk) 16:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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This long section has little connection with Ahmad Durrani and the relevance of him for the region the section deals with, is unclear.-- Severino ( talk) 19:26, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I agree and except the two last sentences, the whole section should be deleted. It is longwinded and includes random information that has nothing to do with Durrani. It also includes some 19th century style racialist thinking of mad dog, to which many Afghans are unfortunately very much attracted. There is no reason this needs to be here. 88.153.22.211 ( talk) 12:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thirding this, completely irrelevant ramblings, pretty much all of it is by Milktaco, which appears to be a hacked account, how is this still up after 5 years ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.143.179.180 ( talk) 18:37, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
The chosen poetry is faked. It's not the original poem. Its a fabricated post-WWII piece. I would advise to take it down or to replace that section with another poem. In general that section is irrelevant for the article. 46.114.3.91 ( talk) 14:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Added Battle of attock Battle of lahore Battle of peshwar with citations From their respective main articles Please take a review And suggest some changes if needed Thank you. Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa ( talk) 15:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa, don't copy paste from other articles. If you are going toadd that info rewrite it from reliable sources, not just copy pasting. Kailanmapper ( talk) 17:20, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
According to Nejatie's The Pearl of Pearls: The Abdālī-Durrānī Confederacy and Its Transformation under Aḥmad Shāh, Durr-i Durrān, [1] "The fact that numerous sources composed in the ruler’s lifetime consistently connect him in his youth to Herat justifies the stance of Ghubār and others that Aḥmad Shāh was, in fact, born in the Herat region, around the time his father passed away and when the Abdālī leadership still exercised authority over the province." Some of the sources cited about Multan seems colonialist, not scholarly. Also, the Encyclopaedia of Islam cited is a tertiary source so it may not be really helpful in such a dispute, as Wikipedia favors scholarly WP:SECONDARY sources. My solution to this dispute would be to mention Herat, the most likely place of birth, in the infobox, but also mention Multan in the body of the article. The opinion of other editors is welcome here. Thanks, Khestwol ( talk) 07:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran Hey, I am asking users who are occasionally active on these pages, but I am just notifying you guys, that I will likely be working on a revamp on Ahmad Shah's page soon, just like how I did to Timur Shah Durrani, however I might do Zaman Shah Durrani, Mahmud Shah Durrani, and Shah Shuja Durrani, and Dost Mohammad Khan first. As I already revamped the pages, but newer sources I obtained have shed light to expand a lot. Noorullah21 ( talk) 00:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Ahmad Shah had a wife named Mimtta, she was the mother of Timur Shah. Kindly add this. Aurangzayb ( talk) 10:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Contact in Ocford university 82.5.103.31 ( talk) 17:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes he was born in Multan. One big family 2604:3D08:987E:0:6D12:F0FC:A929:1BEB ( talk) 11:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
A few personalities from Pakistan have been added that stress that they are descendants of Ahamd Shah Abdali just because they share the same last name as him. That's not how it works, Durrani is a large tribe which are often divided by sub-tribes. These people are not a descendant of him, they just belonged to the same tribe as Abdali. This should be removed or revised. Akmal94 ( talk) 23:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Noorullah21: Re: [6] The cited source (Hanifi, Deciphering the History of Modern Afghanistan) refers to Sulaiman as Ahmad Shah's chosen successor. - LouisAragon ( talk) 16:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)