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We still don't know if its a terror attack or explosion, let's try and wait and see and try to be as neutral as possible. Homerethegreat ( talk) 13:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Based on what I could find, this incident is the deadliest terrorist attack in Iran since the Cinema Rex fire in 1978. Should this be added to the lede citing the Category:Terrorist incidents in Iran? Ecrusized ( talk) 15:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Regarding this, should it be in lead or in body? I think since it does not seem to have been presented with evidence in the sources and due to current conflict that it is best to keep it in body. Homerethegreat ( talk) 18:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
An editor @ Stephan rostie: is adding the fact that the deaths included civilians and children. Personally I'm not at all convinced that this is relevant. Seems to me that these words are in danger of being WP:NPOV, where we're somehow meant to think it's a worse terrorist act because civilians/children were victims. Nigej ( talk) 21:02, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
This articles puts the number of casualties at over 200, citing one single source, while pretty much all major news outlets (NYT, CNN, BBC, Guardian, FT) put the number at around half that. Hairer ( talk) 22:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
France 24 wrote that Iranian media say that Israel carried out the bombing, however, Israel has not yet confirmed this 86.55.48.220 ( talk) 13:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
@ InvadingInvader:, this bombing took place in 2024, not 2023... Ecrusized ( talk) 22:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
208.87.236.202 ( talk) 00:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) claimed responsibility for the attack, not ISIS-K (Afghanistan-based branch). Even though the U.S. claimed they had "indisputable intel" that it was ISIS-K. Either way it was the Islamic State, but that's pretty weird.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/5/irans-raisi-promises-retaliation-at-funeral-for-victims-of-twin-bombings 47.152.121.236 ( talk) 02:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to include information about the national day of mourning for the victims of the attacks in the "Aftermath" heading? Atakhanli ( talk) 16:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 23 January 2024. The result of the move review was Closure endorsed. |
The result of the move request was: not moved. Assessing the discussion per WP:NOTVOTE lens, although in terms of numeric superiority, there are a lot of supporting votes, these do not offer much beyond the nomination statement which is based on WP:OVERPRECISION and WP:NOYEAR. However, it has also been pointed out that WP:NOYEAR requires a historical perceptive, which this event being recent is hard to assess upon on. This also brings about the point of a move to one without the year being WP:TOOSOON. The argument for over precision is also countered by the point on if the event's notoriety is sufficient enough for it to be recognisable to the readers who are not familiar with the subject area. – robertsky ( talk) 00:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
2024 Kerman bombings → Kerman bombings – No year is needed to disambiguate this event as described at WP:OVERPRECISION and WP:NOYEAR. I don't see that a common name has emerged in English-language media for this event, but news articles tend to reference either Kerman or Soleimani, and of the two we're better off identifying the event by location. VQuakr ( talk) 18:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 🌺 Cremastra ( talk) 23:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Closing statement (closure withdrawn)
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Not counting the nominator, commenters were split support/oppose 9/2, with an alternative option also proposed. Although the opposition presented several arguments against the move, I find that these were dismissed satisfactorily by the the support !voters. Remember that consensus is neither a vote, nor does it require unanimity.
Once credible media outlets and other reliable sources have settled on a WP:COMMONNAME, further discussion will likely be in order. Time will tell the long-term significance of the event, and hopefully a consensus regarding the applicability of WP:NOYEAR will develop. Thank-you. 🌺 Cremastra ( talk) 23:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC) |
titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that.I see zero benefit to retaining the year in this case, and WP:NOYEAR certainly does apply. VQuakr ( talk) 19:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Exceptions to the precision criterion may sometimes result from the application of some other naming criteria, such as recognizability. You see zero benefits in retaining the year? such as that it gives the reader at a glance the historical context of the event? An event that is far from as historically recognizable as e.g. the French revolution or other similar year-less events. -- Deeday-UK ( talk) 09:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
May sometimes, but not in this case. No benefit beyond any other unnecessary disambiguator like adding "Iran" or "Soleimani". Recognizability also suggests we exclude the year, since someone familiar with the subject area will understand what the topic is without it. VQuakr ( talk) 17:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.. Someone familiar with the subject will know where Kerman is and of the bombing. Redirects are cheap and easy to add at plausible search strings, though. VQuakr ( talk) 19:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
A few days ago there was mention in the article, under the Reactions section, of a couple of people claiming the attack was a false flag attack, one of them was Masih Alinejad. It seems that mention of these claims have disappeared from the article since IS admitted responsibility. Is there a reason mention of these claims have been removed, other than that they obviously make the claimants seem callous and opportunistic? 76.37.130.17 ( talk) 23:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Just to be clear, is this a regular bombing (someone planted something) or a suicide bombing? Because it is confusing that sources in Iran have been giving out detailed accounts of bombs left somewhere before suddenly saying it was a suicide attack. (see details throughout the article). Borgenland ( talk) 07:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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We still don't know if its a terror attack or explosion, let's try and wait and see and try to be as neutral as possible. Homerethegreat ( talk) 13:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Based on what I could find, this incident is the deadliest terrorist attack in Iran since the Cinema Rex fire in 1978. Should this be added to the lede citing the Category:Terrorist incidents in Iran? Ecrusized ( talk) 15:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Regarding this, should it be in lead or in body? I think since it does not seem to have been presented with evidence in the sources and due to current conflict that it is best to keep it in body. Homerethegreat ( talk) 18:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
An editor @ Stephan rostie: is adding the fact that the deaths included civilians and children. Personally I'm not at all convinced that this is relevant. Seems to me that these words are in danger of being WP:NPOV, where we're somehow meant to think it's a worse terrorist act because civilians/children were victims. Nigej ( talk) 21:02, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
This articles puts the number of casualties at over 200, citing one single source, while pretty much all major news outlets (NYT, CNN, BBC, Guardian, FT) put the number at around half that. Hairer ( talk) 22:01, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
France 24 wrote that Iranian media say that Israel carried out the bombing, however, Israel has not yet confirmed this 86.55.48.220 ( talk) 13:29, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
@ InvadingInvader:, this bombing took place in 2024, not 2023... Ecrusized ( talk) 22:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
208.87.236.202 ( talk) 00:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) claimed responsibility for the attack, not ISIS-K (Afghanistan-based branch). Even though the U.S. claimed they had "indisputable intel" that it was ISIS-K. Either way it was the Islamic State, but that's pretty weird.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/5/irans-raisi-promises-retaliation-at-funeral-for-victims-of-twin-bombings 47.152.121.236 ( talk) 02:31, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to include information about the national day of mourning for the victims of the attacks in the "Aftermath" heading? Atakhanli ( talk) 16:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 23 January 2024. The result of the move review was Closure endorsed. |
The result of the move request was: not moved. Assessing the discussion per WP:NOTVOTE lens, although in terms of numeric superiority, there are a lot of supporting votes, these do not offer much beyond the nomination statement which is based on WP:OVERPRECISION and WP:NOYEAR. However, it has also been pointed out that WP:NOYEAR requires a historical perceptive, which this event being recent is hard to assess upon on. This also brings about the point of a move to one without the year being WP:TOOSOON. The argument for over precision is also countered by the point on if the event's notoriety is sufficient enough for it to be recognisable to the readers who are not familiar with the subject area. – robertsky ( talk) 00:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
2024 Kerman bombings → Kerman bombings – No year is needed to disambiguate this event as described at WP:OVERPRECISION and WP:NOYEAR. I don't see that a common name has emerged in English-language media for this event, but news articles tend to reference either Kerman or Soleimani, and of the two we're better off identifying the event by location. VQuakr ( talk) 18:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 🌺 Cremastra ( talk) 23:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Closing statement (closure withdrawn)
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Not counting the nominator, commenters were split support/oppose 9/2, with an alternative option also proposed. Although the opposition presented several arguments against the move, I find that these were dismissed satisfactorily by the the support !voters. Remember that consensus is neither a vote, nor does it require unanimity.
Once credible media outlets and other reliable sources have settled on a WP:COMMONNAME, further discussion will likely be in order. Time will tell the long-term significance of the event, and hopefully a consensus regarding the applicability of WP:NOYEAR will develop. Thank-you. 🌺 Cremastra ( talk) 23:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC) |
titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that.I see zero benefit to retaining the year in this case, and WP:NOYEAR certainly does apply. VQuakr ( talk) 19:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
Exceptions to the precision criterion may sometimes result from the application of some other naming criteria, such as recognizability. You see zero benefits in retaining the year? such as that it gives the reader at a glance the historical context of the event? An event that is far from as historically recognizable as e.g. the French revolution or other similar year-less events. -- Deeday-UK ( talk) 09:51, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
May sometimes, but not in this case. No benefit beyond any other unnecessary disambiguator like adding "Iran" or "Soleimani". Recognizability also suggests we exclude the year, since someone familiar with the subject area will understand what the topic is without it. VQuakr ( talk) 17:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.. Someone familiar with the subject will know where Kerman is and of the bombing. Redirects are cheap and easy to add at plausible search strings, though. VQuakr ( talk) 19:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
A few days ago there was mention in the article, under the Reactions section, of a couple of people claiming the attack was a false flag attack, one of them was Masih Alinejad. It seems that mention of these claims have disappeared from the article since IS admitted responsibility. Is there a reason mention of these claims have been removed, other than that they obviously make the claimants seem callous and opportunistic? 76.37.130.17 ( talk) 23:51, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Just to be clear, is this a regular bombing (someone planted something) or a suicide bombing? Because it is confusing that sources in Iran have been giving out detailed accounts of bombs left somewhere before suddenly saying it was a suicide attack. (see details throughout the article). Borgenland ( talk) 07:14, 9 January 2024 (UTC)