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This article reads like greenwashing. It is widely accepted that the appointed president of COP28 has a massive conflict of interest and that the conference is unlikely to achieve very much given UAE's current massive expansion of oil and gas production. Further information: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uae-brings-forward-oil-production-capacity-expansion-2027-2022-11-28/ https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/UAE-To-Expand-Oil-Gas-Production-Capacity-With-150-Billion-Investment.amp.html https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/natural-gas/011023-uaes-adnoc-forms-new-gas-company-as-it-seeks-to-expand-internationally 93.82.11.248 ( talk) 12:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I think the issue of employee shilling for the conference and its organisers has been addressed at this point, and the issue is also mentioned in a new section, backed up by reliable sources. Does anyone object to the removal of the COI tag? Cortador ( talk) 07:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Why is the CEO of one of the Earth's leading fossil fuel polluters the chairperson of this global warming summit? Why isn't the fact that the CEO of the UAE oil company, ADNOC, (that has refused to release fossil fuel pollution information publicly for 7 years) is the chairperson of this alleged environmental conference? As controversial as this is, (the US Congress and European Parliament has even weighed in) this should be in the opening summary of the article, not buried in its middle. Are there editors here affiliated with the UAE or petroleum corporations? This article adds to the mockery that the conference has already created by having such a ridiculous appointment. It's like having a convicted child molester in charge of a daycare center or nursery school, and Wikipedia is contributing to it. Stevenmitchell ( talk) 09:20, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
The UAE allows freedom of speech so please correct that. People need to talk respectfully to have their opinions respected, so should global writers who know nothing about UAE leadership 2001:8F8:1335:1333:F0DB:DAE1:C59B:2381 ( talk) 20:51, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Hey I actually live in the UAE. This is so wrong I can't even believe you'd come on here and say that. We cannot criticise the government, we cannot protest, we cannot discuss LGBTQ people in schools, in fact, we cannot be taught that the UAE government is flawed. Instead, we're taught that our nation is a beacon of diversity, tolerance, and opportunity, where everybody can get rich and have a wonderful life, they just have to work for it. In reality, some people get their passports stolen from them, and work long hours in 40C heat for close to nothing.
Who taught you that the UAE had freedom of speech?
I don't think this belongs in the lede. Of course representatives from various industries are going to try and greenwash themselves at a COP conference - it's not anywhere near as important as the UAE planning to use the conference as a way to get oil deals. Eldomtom2 ( talk) 12:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
This article is currently under consideration for In The News (ITN) for the en.Wikipedia.org main page. Arguments for or against this can be presented there, based on the ITN criteria. Boud ( talk) 02:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
I think this needs more interesting people pics. They could be swapped every few days for variety. Chidgk1 ( talk) 10:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
As of 2023 December 13 at 17:43 UTC, the first sentence of the article reads "To whoever is reading this: You are a total bunch of horse dung that should be incinerated. Go jump off a bridge." I believe that this is vandalism but I am not well-versed in what to do about it. To anybody who knows how to remove this, please do on my behalf. Thank you. Sussybaka6000 ( talk) 17:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC) EDIT: As of 17:46 UTC, the sentence has been removed. Thank you to whoever removed it.
No Cop Out at Cop 28?
While crude, and not very Wikipedia-like, might it not be said that the comment reflects a degree of concern - found within this Talk page - at the way this conference has been Greenwashed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.196.97 ( talk) 17:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
To be clear, was that remark aimed at warning about the ever-present risk of nuclear war? Or, as with Dr Strange Love, have you stopped worrying and learned to love The Bomb? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.75.125 ( talk) 21:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Number of sufficient arguments on both sides, but clearly not a general consensus for the move. Key to this is the lack of potential consistency with the other meetings. Although a group RM has been briefly considered here, it may be worth editors (re-)considering a mini-naming convention for these articles if need be. ( non-admin closure) Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 22:52, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
2023 United Nations Climate Change Conference → COP28 – COP28 is the clear WP:COMMONNAME for this event and meets MOS:ACROTITLE. It's being used in nearly all the (many) news articles about this event, and it's used in the official graphic. Even the opening sentence of this article says that the event is "more commonly known as COP28". (Similar discussions may need to be held about other COPs if this passes.) Ed [talk] [OMT] 21:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
The photo of Al Wasl Plaza was taken during Expo 2020 and is over two years old, showing the former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro. It should be updated with a photo from the actual COP28 Conference or removed. 170.173.0.22 ( talk) 03:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
I understand that the conference was very controversial and that there were many negative factors. Nevertheless, I think that in its current form the article focuses more on various side details and the actual results of the conference are not really visible. For example, I don't like the detailed description of the negative moments broadly described in the introduction (and again practically repeated verbatim a few paragraphs later) instead of simply summarised in the introduction.
It seems to me that, for example, the form of the presentation on the dewiki is more appropriate. Jirka Dl ( talk) 07:13, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps the article was forced to focuses on side-issues because there were few meaningful results to came from Cop (out) 28?
Really needs a section showing which nations/representatives were present 675930s ( talk) 02:48, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I think this article requires a neutrality check by an expert. It focuses too much on controversial news reports about the cop presidency and host such as alleged oil deals and COP president Al Jaber calling science a hoax, most of which have been addressed and denied by the cop28 presidency, and does not expand on the fact that the world for the first time ever finally agreed to shift away from fossil fuels after a long negotiations session apart from a sentence in the lead without expanding and discussing the differing world views on it. It reads as an article dedicated to Sultan Al Jaber controversy, the controversial choice of its president. It fails to address the OPEC disagreement, the funds established, the small island nations concerns, the under developed countries concerns, the controversial carbon capture technologies, and the participating countries that have all contributed to the conference but instead focuses on Syrian president Bashar Al Assad on the lead. A balance should be achieved in addressing its presidency controversy and the actual outcomes and the climate concerns raised by the world. Gorebath ( talk) 21:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I would start by removing the current third paragraph, which discusses Al Jabar's conflicts of interest and the UAE as an allegedly poor choice of host, entirely, and also make their coverage in the "Controversy" section (which articles should ideally not even have) much, much more succinct. These were not widely reported aspects of the conference – they were not even the most widely reported controversy of the conference (I would say that dubious honor goes to the various cop-outs in the final agreement and the lack of concrete commitments). -- Tserton ( talk) 18:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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On 13 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to COP28. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
This article reads like greenwashing. It is widely accepted that the appointed president of COP28 has a massive conflict of interest and that the conference is unlikely to achieve very much given UAE's current massive expansion of oil and gas production. Further information: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uae-brings-forward-oil-production-capacity-expansion-2027-2022-11-28/ https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/UAE-To-Expand-Oil-Gas-Production-Capacity-With-150-Billion-Investment.amp.html https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/natural-gas/011023-uaes-adnoc-forms-new-gas-company-as-it-seeks-to-expand-internationally 93.82.11.248 ( talk) 12:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I think the issue of employee shilling for the conference and its organisers has been addressed at this point, and the issue is also mentioned in a new section, backed up by reliable sources. Does anyone object to the removal of the COI tag? Cortador ( talk) 07:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Why is the CEO of one of the Earth's leading fossil fuel polluters the chairperson of this global warming summit? Why isn't the fact that the CEO of the UAE oil company, ADNOC, (that has refused to release fossil fuel pollution information publicly for 7 years) is the chairperson of this alleged environmental conference? As controversial as this is, (the US Congress and European Parliament has even weighed in) this should be in the opening summary of the article, not buried in its middle. Are there editors here affiliated with the UAE or petroleum corporations? This article adds to the mockery that the conference has already created by having such a ridiculous appointment. It's like having a convicted child molester in charge of a daycare center or nursery school, and Wikipedia is contributing to it. Stevenmitchell ( talk) 09:20, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
The UAE allows freedom of speech so please correct that. People need to talk respectfully to have their opinions respected, so should global writers who know nothing about UAE leadership 2001:8F8:1335:1333:F0DB:DAE1:C59B:2381 ( talk) 20:51, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Hey I actually live in the UAE. This is so wrong I can't even believe you'd come on here and say that. We cannot criticise the government, we cannot protest, we cannot discuss LGBTQ people in schools, in fact, we cannot be taught that the UAE government is flawed. Instead, we're taught that our nation is a beacon of diversity, tolerance, and opportunity, where everybody can get rich and have a wonderful life, they just have to work for it. In reality, some people get their passports stolen from them, and work long hours in 40C heat for close to nothing.
Who taught you that the UAE had freedom of speech?
I don't think this belongs in the lede. Of course representatives from various industries are going to try and greenwash themselves at a COP conference - it's not anywhere near as important as the UAE planning to use the conference as a way to get oil deals. Eldomtom2 ( talk) 12:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
This article is currently under consideration for In The News (ITN) for the en.Wikipedia.org main page. Arguments for or against this can be presented there, based on the ITN criteria. Boud ( talk) 02:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
I think this needs more interesting people pics. They could be swapped every few days for variety. Chidgk1 ( talk) 10:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
As of 2023 December 13 at 17:43 UTC, the first sentence of the article reads "To whoever is reading this: You are a total bunch of horse dung that should be incinerated. Go jump off a bridge." I believe that this is vandalism but I am not well-versed in what to do about it. To anybody who knows how to remove this, please do on my behalf. Thank you. Sussybaka6000 ( talk) 17:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC) EDIT: As of 17:46 UTC, the sentence has been removed. Thank you to whoever removed it.
No Cop Out at Cop 28?
While crude, and not very Wikipedia-like, might it not be said that the comment reflects a degree of concern - found within this Talk page - at the way this conference has been Greenwashed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.196.97 ( talk) 17:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
To be clear, was that remark aimed at warning about the ever-present risk of nuclear war? Or, as with Dr Strange Love, have you stopped worrying and learned to love The Bomb? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.110.75.125 ( talk) 21:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Number of sufficient arguments on both sides, but clearly not a general consensus for the move. Key to this is the lack of potential consistency with the other meetings. Although a group RM has been briefly considered here, it may be worth editors (re-)considering a mini-naming convention for these articles if need be. ( non-admin closure) Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 22:52, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
2023 United Nations Climate Change Conference → COP28 – COP28 is the clear WP:COMMONNAME for this event and meets MOS:ACROTITLE. It's being used in nearly all the (many) news articles about this event, and it's used in the official graphic. Even the opening sentence of this article says that the event is "more commonly known as COP28". (Similar discussions may need to be held about other COPs if this passes.) Ed [talk] [OMT] 21:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
The photo of Al Wasl Plaza was taken during Expo 2020 and is over two years old, showing the former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro. It should be updated with a photo from the actual COP28 Conference or removed. 170.173.0.22 ( talk) 03:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
I understand that the conference was very controversial and that there were many negative factors. Nevertheless, I think that in its current form the article focuses more on various side details and the actual results of the conference are not really visible. For example, I don't like the detailed description of the negative moments broadly described in the introduction (and again practically repeated verbatim a few paragraphs later) instead of simply summarised in the introduction.
It seems to me that, for example, the form of the presentation on the dewiki is more appropriate. Jirka Dl ( talk) 07:13, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps the article was forced to focuses on side-issues because there were few meaningful results to came from Cop (out) 28?
Really needs a section showing which nations/representatives were present 675930s ( talk) 02:48, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I think this article requires a neutrality check by an expert. It focuses too much on controversial news reports about the cop presidency and host such as alleged oil deals and COP president Al Jaber calling science a hoax, most of which have been addressed and denied by the cop28 presidency, and does not expand on the fact that the world for the first time ever finally agreed to shift away from fossil fuels after a long negotiations session apart from a sentence in the lead without expanding and discussing the differing world views on it. It reads as an article dedicated to Sultan Al Jaber controversy, the controversial choice of its president. It fails to address the OPEC disagreement, the funds established, the small island nations concerns, the under developed countries concerns, the controversial carbon capture technologies, and the participating countries that have all contributed to the conference but instead focuses on Syrian president Bashar Al Assad on the lead. A balance should be achieved in addressing its presidency controversy and the actual outcomes and the climate concerns raised by the world. Gorebath ( talk) 21:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
I would start by removing the current third paragraph, which discusses Al Jabar's conflicts of interest and the UAE as an allegedly poor choice of host, entirely, and also make their coverage in the "Controversy" section (which articles should ideally not even have) much, much more succinct. These were not widely reported aspects of the conference – they were not even the most widely reported controversy of the conference (I would say that dubious honor goes to the various cop-outs in the final agreement and the lack of concrete commitments). -- Tserton ( talk) 18:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)