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Created by The C of E ( talk). Self-nominated at 18:56, 3 February 2020 (UTC).
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The copyvio detector is timing out today (and previous days) for me, so I'm taking that in good faith. I think ALT0 is fine for 1 April - it hooked me, anyway (though see accuracy point below). Issues: I think the article might be improved by making some of the language more formal, e.g. The entire sentence beginning "He came up with it" is casual and clumsy. "Amazon" is singular in this context, so it should be "on its album charts", "its singles charts". "Where he had been due to stand" should be "In which ...". "in 2020 Frisby then started" doesn't need the word, "then". Song titles should be in italics where I come from - is there a house-style reason for using quote marks throughout, yet omitting quote marks from Ode to Joy? The last sentence is clumsy: "At it, he performed". The general point here is that vulgar humour works best in a context of formal language - the more formal the better, sometimes - because the formality acts as a good foil to the vulgarity, especially in British humour, which is what we have here. I also think that the ALTs may be more accurate than the initial hook, but they spoil the joke. If you just substitute "one Briton" for "the British" in ALT0, then that would be both accurate and funny (to Brits at least), in my opinion.
Storye book (
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Keep all hooks and articles completely truthful, but outrageous.As best I understand your argument, you're equating a song lyric with a statement of fact and intent by 17 million people, and I fail to see how that can be established as true. As always, you're welcome to take this to WT:DYK and try to gain consensus there, since time is running out. (As for ALT0a, it might read better with "a" rather than "one", but I don't have strong feelings either way.) BlueMoonset ( talk) 02:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@ The C of E: Thank you for your comment. It looks as if we may be able to agree here, and get this thing finalised? Both Blue and I will accept ALT0a. But I'm not quite sure what it is that you are now resigned to accepting. If you are able to say that you will accept ALT0a as it is (with "one Briton" or "a Briton" or "a Brit"), then I can green tick it and it can go forward - I hope. Storye book ( talk) 16:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Per WP:V. |
Hi
My name is Dominic Frisby and I wrote the song 17 Million Fuck-Offs which is the subject of this page.
There are just a couple of inaccuracies in the entry which I thought I should point out
It says on the Amazon charts "it got to number number 1 on their album charts and number 8 on their singles charts". This is not true - it was number one on both between March 25 and April 4. Guido (the cited source) got it wrong. See the screenshots at - <ref> https://dominicfrisby.com/news/just-for-the-record<ref>
Also I don't think the Ode To Joy campaign was in response to me. EU activists already had their own campaign to get Ode to Joy to number 1. The reality is both songs came quite a long way short. But Ode To Joy did get to #1 in the official downloads charts, and 17 Million to The song got to #2 in the official downloads charts - <ref> https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-downloads-chart/20200131/7000/<ref>
Also I did not so much encourage the crowd to sing the bad language in Parliament Square, my words were "I have replaced the keyword with "fudge". However, if you want to sing the keyword, that is your decision and not mine, and I doubt they'll arrest 50,000 of you" See here at around 4.33 - https://www.kansascity-comiccon.com/brexit-celebrations-dominic-frisby-sings-17-million-f-off-39-s-vid0BxiUdjV07gHd — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frizzers ( talk • contribs) 15:47, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks
DF Frizzers ( talk) 15:39, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Regards, Spintendo 21:11, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for your response, and your points are noted.
Regarding the position the song reached in the Amazon charts. If you read to the bottom of the source which you reference ( "17 Million F**k O**s". Guido Fawkes. 2019-03-21. Retrieved 2020-02-03) it says at the very bottom "UPDATE III: The song has made it to #1 in the Amazon singles charts!". https://order-order.com/2019/03/21/17-million-fk-os-2/ The wiki article has not properly cited the source.
Regarding the point of the encouragement of the crowds, there is a link to here to a video of the song the song being performed at Parliament Square. The point in question is around 4.30 and you can see what was actually said, as as opposed to what a journalist said was said. https://www.kansascity-comiccon.com/brexit-celebrations-dominic-frisby-sings-17-million-f-off-39-s-vid0BxiUdjV07gHd The stated words were, "I have replaced the keyword with "fudge". However, if you want to sing the keyword, that is your decision and not mine, and I doubt they'll arrest 50,000 of you"
Thank you for your time with this. I apologize for being pushy. I am only trying to get the correct version of events recorded.
Yours,
Frizzers
Frizzers ( talk) 16:08, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
A fact from 17 Million Fuck Offs appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 1 April 2020 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The result was: promoted by
Yoninah (
talk) 19:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Created by The C of E ( talk). Self-nominated at 18:56, 3 February 2020 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall:
The copyvio detector is timing out today (and previous days) for me, so I'm taking that in good faith. I think ALT0 is fine for 1 April - it hooked me, anyway (though see accuracy point below). Issues: I think the article might be improved by making some of the language more formal, e.g. The entire sentence beginning "He came up with it" is casual and clumsy. "Amazon" is singular in this context, so it should be "on its album charts", "its singles charts". "Where he had been due to stand" should be "In which ...". "in 2020 Frisby then started" doesn't need the word, "then". Song titles should be in italics where I come from - is there a house-style reason for using quote marks throughout, yet omitting quote marks from Ode to Joy? The last sentence is clumsy: "At it, he performed". The general point here is that vulgar humour works best in a context of formal language - the more formal the better, sometimes - because the formality acts as a good foil to the vulgarity, especially in British humour, which is what we have here. I also think that the ALTs may be more accurate than the initial hook, but they spoil the joke. If you just substitute "one Briton" for "the British" in ALT0, then that would be both accurate and funny (to Brits at least), in my opinion.
Storye book (
talk) 19:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Keep all hooks and articles completely truthful, but outrageous.As best I understand your argument, you're equating a song lyric with a statement of fact and intent by 17 million people, and I fail to see how that can be established as true. As always, you're welcome to take this to WT:DYK and try to gain consensus there, since time is running out. (As for ALT0a, it might read better with "a" rather than "one", but I don't have strong feelings either way.) BlueMoonset ( talk) 02:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@ The C of E: Thank you for your comment. It looks as if we may be able to agree here, and get this thing finalised? Both Blue and I will accept ALT0a. But I'm not quite sure what it is that you are now resigned to accepting. If you are able to say that you will accept ALT0a as it is (with "one Briton" or "a Briton" or "a Brit"), then I can green tick it and it can go forward - I hope. Storye book ( talk) 16:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Per WP:V. |
Hi
My name is Dominic Frisby and I wrote the song 17 Million Fuck-Offs which is the subject of this page.
There are just a couple of inaccuracies in the entry which I thought I should point out
It says on the Amazon charts "it got to number number 1 on their album charts and number 8 on their singles charts". This is not true - it was number one on both between March 25 and April 4. Guido (the cited source) got it wrong. See the screenshots at - <ref> https://dominicfrisby.com/news/just-for-the-record<ref>
Also I don't think the Ode To Joy campaign was in response to me. EU activists already had their own campaign to get Ode to Joy to number 1. The reality is both songs came quite a long way short. But Ode To Joy did get to #1 in the official downloads charts, and 17 Million to The song got to #2 in the official downloads charts - <ref> https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-downloads-chart/20200131/7000/<ref>
Also I did not so much encourage the crowd to sing the bad language in Parliament Square, my words were "I have replaced the keyword with "fudge". However, if you want to sing the keyword, that is your decision and not mine, and I doubt they'll arrest 50,000 of you" See here at around 4.33 - https://www.kansascity-comiccon.com/brexit-celebrations-dominic-frisby-sings-17-million-f-off-39-s-vid0BxiUdjV07gHd — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frizzers ( talk • contribs) 15:47, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks
DF Frizzers ( talk) 15:39, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Regards, Spintendo 21:11, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Notes
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dubious}}
inline template.
Thank you for your response, and your points are noted.
Regarding the position the song reached in the Amazon charts. If you read to the bottom of the source which you reference ( "17 Million F**k O**s". Guido Fawkes. 2019-03-21. Retrieved 2020-02-03) it says at the very bottom "UPDATE III: The song has made it to #1 in the Amazon singles charts!". https://order-order.com/2019/03/21/17-million-fk-os-2/ The wiki article has not properly cited the source.
Regarding the point of the encouragement of the crowds, there is a link to here to a video of the song the song being performed at Parliament Square. The point in question is around 4.30 and you can see what was actually said, as as opposed to what a journalist said was said. https://www.kansascity-comiccon.com/brexit-celebrations-dominic-frisby-sings-17-million-f-off-39-s-vid0BxiUdjV07gHd The stated words were, "I have replaced the keyword with "fudge". However, if you want to sing the keyword, that is your decision and not mine, and I doubt they'll arrest 50,000 of you"
Thank you for your time with this. I apologize for being pushy. I am only trying to get the correct version of events recorded.
Yours,
Frizzers
Frizzers ( talk) 16:08, 11 February 2020 (UTC)