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@ HC7: Over at WP:BLPN, there's an ongoing discussion regarding whether or not the allegations are even warranted for Holowka's page. It seems like this is really stretching for notability. Also: I have no idea what his death has to do with Quinn, but the placement in the article seems to imply some kind of connection between the accusation and the death, which is utterly unsupported by reliable sources. Nblund talk 21:49, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Given the recent tragic event involving Alec on August 31, 2019, will we be permitted to cover events related to that event--as reported by the news media in relation to Zoe--on Zoe's page, as we would if this page belonged to someone other than Zoe?
Thank you. - Phone Charger ( talk) 23:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
https://gamasutra.com/view/news/349504/New_allegations_of_sexual_assault_surface_against_established_game_devs.php https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/29/20835673/night-in-the-woods-alec-holowka-abuse-zoe-quinn https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/349594/Night_in_the_Woods_devs_cut_ties_with_Alec_Holowka_after_abuse_allegations.php https://kotaku.com/night-in-the-woods-designer-alec-holowka-dies-1837783073 https://www.wired.com/story/videogames-industry-metoo-moment-male-fragility/ https://www.pcgamer.com/night-in-the-woods-developer-alec-holowka-has-died/ https://nordic.ign.com/night-in-the-woods/28817/news/night-in-the-woods-developer-accused-of-sexual-assault-dies
This article has the appearance of being a bit of a PoV battleground though. I'll beg off editing main here, please. Bahb the Illuminated ( talk) 06:16, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Ngl, i have been watching this article for around a year now, and it definetly seems more than necessary to put in Alec allegations or some sort of news about that. It's on his page, why cant it be on hers? -- Whatshisnamee ( talk) 04:54, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree, I think it was newsworthy and covered in significant media - her role in the Me Too movement is significant. That said, this article is a sensitive one, and I'm not the most brushed up on living persons articles, much less semi-protected ones. What work would need to be done to update this article with a section describing the allegation, the corroboration, the unfortunate suicide, and the quote that Holowka "wished Zoe well" ? -- Semitones ( talk) 00:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
The mention of the Project Tingle story seems oddly vague - 'Quinn was reported to be working with erotica author Chuck Tingle.' The Kickstarter strikes me as more direct source to say something more like 'Quinn launched a Kickstarter named 'Kickstarted in the Butt' with erotica author Chuck Tingle.' Any thoughts? I can't see any reason to call the Kickstarter an unreliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random name ( talk • contribs) 15:13, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
It appears that Zoe Quinn now uses she and they pronouns, rather than just they/them. As proof, I present her verified Twitter account. She clearly states "she/they" there (note, not "they/she" as some do). Both this and this recent article use she and her, and those seem to be the only recent articles that talk about Quinn. Given that use of she and her have more support in the most recent RS, are of at least equal status with they/them according to her profile, and are easier to read, especially for non-native speakers, the article should use those.
Normally IPs are quick to let us know when these things change, but that may not have happened this time since even the talk page is semiprotected. Of course, I understand why that was done. Crossroads -talk- 03:48, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
The article text now refers to "Quinn" mostly by last name, and appears to avoid using gendered pronouns wherever possible, excepting double-quoted sourced quotations, which are appropriately left unaltered. Accordingly, I've added the {{
Article pronouns}} template to the header section of this Talk page, echoing the current usage. If the article pronoun usage changes, the template should be changed to reflect it. (After this discussion section is archived, the |source=
param should be updated to point to it.) Thanks,
Mathglot (
talk) 21:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
In 2014, Quinn intended to be part of the canceled YouTube reality television show codenamed "Game_Jam", where they would be ambiguous with
experienced game developers and novice developersin the previous sentence). -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 12:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
birthname Chelsea van Valkenburg, source: https://pro.imdb.com/name/nm6863465/ or open the page, that I can put in the content myself. Thx Jucos ( talk) 20:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Frequently asked questions
Q1: I found a blog entry, forum thread or YouTube video that presents evidence about Zoë Quinn's alleged actions related to the controversy from August 2014.
A1: That sort of source does not comply with Wikipedia's standards for reliable sources. Wikipedia considers them to be 'self-published', which means that they do not meet the standards for sources that introduce contentious material into a biography of a living person. If we were to use these sources to add material to articles, all sorts of gossip, slander and libelous material would find its way in, which would tarnish the quality of Wikipedia's information as well as potentially open up Wikipedia to legal action. For further information, please read
the guidelines for sources in biographies of living people. Q2: Why is Wikipedia censoring certain information?
A2:
Wikipedia is not censored, however, it relies solely on information published in reliable sources, especially for biographies of living people, rather than the "truth" or "common knowledge". Without a legitimate, published source to cite information from, potentially libelous statements cannot be added to a biographical article, and users who persist in doing so may be blocked from editing. Q3: Why does Wikipedia have an article on Zoë Quinn, and why would it not be deleted?
A3: In order for subjects to have an article on Wikipedia, they have to fulfil certain
notability guidelines. In the past, a consensus of editors has found that Zoë Quinn meets these guidelines. If you disagree, you are welcome to submit the article to an
"Articles for deletion" (AfD) discussion, but previous AfD discussions have resulted in the article being kept. Simply bringing up concerns on this talk page would be pointless, as articles are not deleted based on discussion on individual article talk pages. |
@ HC7: Over at WP:BLPN, there's an ongoing discussion regarding whether or not the allegations are even warranted for Holowka's page. It seems like this is really stretching for notability. Also: I have no idea what his death has to do with Quinn, but the placement in the article seems to imply some kind of connection between the accusation and the death, which is utterly unsupported by reliable sources. Nblund talk 21:49, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Given the recent tragic event involving Alec on August 31, 2019, will we be permitted to cover events related to that event--as reported by the news media in relation to Zoe--on Zoe's page, as we would if this page belonged to someone other than Zoe?
Thank you. - Phone Charger ( talk) 23:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
https://gamasutra.com/view/news/349504/New_allegations_of_sexual_assault_surface_against_established_game_devs.php https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/29/20835673/night-in-the-woods-alec-holowka-abuse-zoe-quinn https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/349594/Night_in_the_Woods_devs_cut_ties_with_Alec_Holowka_after_abuse_allegations.php https://kotaku.com/night-in-the-woods-designer-alec-holowka-dies-1837783073 https://www.wired.com/story/videogames-industry-metoo-moment-male-fragility/ https://www.pcgamer.com/night-in-the-woods-developer-alec-holowka-has-died/ https://nordic.ign.com/night-in-the-woods/28817/news/night-in-the-woods-developer-accused-of-sexual-assault-dies
This article has the appearance of being a bit of a PoV battleground though. I'll beg off editing main here, please. Bahb the Illuminated ( talk) 06:16, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Ngl, i have been watching this article for around a year now, and it definetly seems more than necessary to put in Alec allegations or some sort of news about that. It's on his page, why cant it be on hers? -- Whatshisnamee ( talk) 04:54, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree, I think it was newsworthy and covered in significant media - her role in the Me Too movement is significant. That said, this article is a sensitive one, and I'm not the most brushed up on living persons articles, much less semi-protected ones. What work would need to be done to update this article with a section describing the allegation, the corroboration, the unfortunate suicide, and the quote that Holowka "wished Zoe well" ? -- Semitones ( talk) 00:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
The mention of the Project Tingle story seems oddly vague - 'Quinn was reported to be working with erotica author Chuck Tingle.' The Kickstarter strikes me as more direct source to say something more like 'Quinn launched a Kickstarter named 'Kickstarted in the Butt' with erotica author Chuck Tingle.' Any thoughts? I can't see any reason to call the Kickstarter an unreliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random name ( talk • contribs) 15:13, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
It appears that Zoe Quinn now uses she and they pronouns, rather than just they/them. As proof, I present her verified Twitter account. She clearly states "she/they" there (note, not "they/she" as some do). Both this and this recent article use she and her, and those seem to be the only recent articles that talk about Quinn. Given that use of she and her have more support in the most recent RS, are of at least equal status with they/them according to her profile, and are easier to read, especially for non-native speakers, the article should use those.
Normally IPs are quick to let us know when these things change, but that may not have happened this time since even the talk page is semiprotected. Of course, I understand why that was done. Crossroads -talk- 03:48, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
The article text now refers to "Quinn" mostly by last name, and appears to avoid using gendered pronouns wherever possible, excepting double-quoted sourced quotations, which are appropriately left unaltered. Accordingly, I've added the {{
Article pronouns}} template to the header section of this Talk page, echoing the current usage. If the article pronoun usage changes, the template should be changed to reflect it. (After this discussion section is archived, the |source=
param should be updated to point to it.) Thanks,
Mathglot (
talk) 21:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
In 2014, Quinn intended to be part of the canceled YouTube reality television show codenamed "Game_Jam", where they would be ambiguous with
experienced game developers and novice developersin the previous sentence). -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she|they|xe) 12:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
birthname Chelsea van Valkenburg, source: https://pro.imdb.com/name/nm6863465/ or open the page, that I can put in the content myself. Thx Jucos ( talk) 20:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)