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a very messy, list-like article. can we change it? yes we can ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.129.173.49 ( talk) 19:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
We've 2 sources in this article, which have the non-diacritics version of Baird's name. We should have the 'alternative spelling' of her name, put in the article's lead. It would be more informative for our readers. GoodDay ( talk) 22:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
. @P.T. - Putting alternative names in the lede does not amount to "telling her that she doesn't know how to spell her own name.". WP frankly doesn't care how she wants to spell her name, all we do care about is how her name is spelled (in our reliable English-language sources). If more than one rendering of her name is common in English-language sources, then we can mention them as "alternative names" in the lede. What we basically do is inform the readers by what name(s) the subject is typically referred to in English.
Yes, it is obvious that Zoë Baird may also be written Zoe Baird when the diacritic is dropped (as happens often and easily in English). What is not obvious is whether or not "Zoe Baird" is actually used for the person in question. Mentioning it in the lede tells the readers that "Zoe Baird" is also used for her (and maybe even by her), as is adequately confirmed by several cites for the article. We try to be accurate, but we also try to be complete. If there are alternative names for a subject, then what are the arguments against mentioning them? MakeSense64 ( talk) 04:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Censorship has been established on this page, by atleast 2 pro-diacritics editors (who've been following me around). Until other editors get involved here, I'm restricted. GoodDay ( talk) 13:27, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
"Manchester United Football Club, also known as Manchester United F.C., Manchester United, Man U, Man United, Man UTD"... funny how I never see the anti-diacritics crowd campagining for lead sentences like this. It's only when it's a name with diacritics that you're interested in insulting the reader's intelligence by assuming they can't work out that "Zoë" and "Zoe" are likely to be the same person. If there were another lawyer called Zoe Baird who spelled her name without the diacritic, it would be confusing anyway. If she were notable, there would be a massive dab notice at the top of the article. As for "how reliable sources spell someone's name", sorry, but that's such a bogus argument. Fine for when we're working out which transliteration of Gaddafi to use, not when newspapers are reporting the death of "Obama Bin Laden" or clearly misspelling Schwarzenegger, Mississippi or Condoleezza. - filelake shoe 13:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
You folks all need to get a life. Seriously! -- 160.39.17.21 ( talk) 02:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
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a very messy, list-like article. can we change it? yes we can ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.129.173.49 ( talk) 19:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
We've 2 sources in this article, which have the non-diacritics version of Baird's name. We should have the 'alternative spelling' of her name, put in the article's lead. It would be more informative for our readers. GoodDay ( talk) 22:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
. @P.T. - Putting alternative names in the lede does not amount to "telling her that she doesn't know how to spell her own name.". WP frankly doesn't care how she wants to spell her name, all we do care about is how her name is spelled (in our reliable English-language sources). If more than one rendering of her name is common in English-language sources, then we can mention them as "alternative names" in the lede. What we basically do is inform the readers by what name(s) the subject is typically referred to in English.
Yes, it is obvious that Zoë Baird may also be written Zoe Baird when the diacritic is dropped (as happens often and easily in English). What is not obvious is whether or not "Zoe Baird" is actually used for the person in question. Mentioning it in the lede tells the readers that "Zoe Baird" is also used for her (and maybe even by her), as is adequately confirmed by several cites for the article. We try to be accurate, but we also try to be complete. If there are alternative names for a subject, then what are the arguments against mentioning them? MakeSense64 ( talk) 04:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Censorship has been established on this page, by atleast 2 pro-diacritics editors (who've been following me around). Until other editors get involved here, I'm restricted. GoodDay ( talk) 13:27, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
"Manchester United Football Club, also known as Manchester United F.C., Manchester United, Man U, Man United, Man UTD"... funny how I never see the anti-diacritics crowd campagining for lead sentences like this. It's only when it's a name with diacritics that you're interested in insulting the reader's intelligence by assuming they can't work out that "Zoë" and "Zoe" are likely to be the same person. If there were another lawyer called Zoe Baird who spelled her name without the diacritic, it would be confusing anyway. If she were notable, there would be a massive dab notice at the top of the article. As for "how reliable sources spell someone's name", sorry, but that's such a bogus argument. Fine for when we're working out which transliteration of Gaddafi to use, not when newspapers are reporting the death of "Obama Bin Laden" or clearly misspelling Schwarzenegger, Mississippi or Condoleezza. - filelake shoe 13:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
You folks all need to get a life. Seriously! -- 160.39.17.21 ( talk) 02:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
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