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Would you care to point to the specific instance in the Wikipedia Manual of Style backing up your claim that Wikipedia does not publish software prices? On the contrary, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and the cost of any particular software package is highly relevant. The price alone generally tells you whether it's a consumer shareware-type application (like Fractal Time is) or an enterprise-level application that costs thousands of dollars per seat. -- Cyde Weys 21:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
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-- MakeSense64 ( talk) 07:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough, though I still contend that there is definitely a reason to publish at least a ballpark figure of how much software costs, as that tells you a lot about the software. However, the article in question is about an idea moreso than the software, so the cost wasn't doing much for that article. If the article was just about the software, though, I'd definitely include it along the lines of "As of January 2009, the software was $19.99 per license" — that is useful information. And by giving the date, you aren't creating a directory field of sorts that has to be constantly keep up-to-date. -- Cyde Weys 12:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Re your comment on the Elwell page, the bar does tend to be higher for academics, but not it seems for professors. A mini debacle I've had occasionally is over the notion that if someone has got the professor title in front of their name, there is a default position of notability. If you want to get a BLP quickly beyond new page patrol, make sure the person is called a professor - CSD-A7 won't apply. I don't agree with it - but there it is :) The plus side is that once academics are there, they're harder to dislodge as their work can be assumed peer-reviewed. This means that non-academics who produce worthy works, and those such as Mr Elwell, have a higher bar to jump when it comes to work and honour verifiability and General Notability Guidlines. Acabashi ( talk) 20:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I asked for an investigation into Makepiece101 as a sock or meat puppet of one of the editors of the Elwell page - the account has been blocked see here. Out of courtesy, this information copied to other current editors of the Elwell talk page should not be referred to within the Elwell talk page. Acabashi ( talk) 16:43, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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I don't know if there should be some formal protocol for advising you that I took the Algol matter to the NPOV noticeboard, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Algol_-_feedback_on_whether_.28and_if_so.2C_to_what_extent.29_pseudoscience_policy_affects_the_content_of_this_star_page. Zac Δ talk 15:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
First, anyone is free to tag my biography page – god knows, it probably deserves it. However, to do it twelve hours after I had reverted one of your edits, looks like an act motivated by personal revenge. This is WP:HARRASSMENT and not worthy of a WP editor. I don’t plan to report this incident, but ask that you strive to be less emotionally motivated and more objective in your editing practices.
Second, on the Astrology Discussion Page you wrote:
“The only thing I notice when astrologers propose a lede for this article is this: they consistently try to paint astrology as a 'study', probably because that sounds better. The statement that it is pseudoscience is always pushed out to the end of the paragraph. Why? Probably because at least some people do not read the lede completely and skip to the further sections rather quickly. So it looks like an excercise in making a frog look pretty. The purpose of the lede is not to make a good impression for astrology. ...”
When you refer to astrologers promoting astrology as a ‘study’ rather than ‘divination’, you can only be referring to me. As I stated on the Astrology Discussion page, I consider it important to focus on the content and not try to second guess the motives of other editors: WP:FOC. However, I feel that here I can reply in a similar analytical manner and if it feels uncomfortable, you are welcome to delete it.
I believe that your comment quoted above says a lot about your motives for editing and the basis of your argument. Given your history and pattern of removing legitimate astrology text, tagging pages of astrologers and astrology groups, polarizing arguments, inciting other editors and obstructing astrology editing (BTW this is a polite description); I can safely say that you have a serious dislike of astrology that goes beyond scepticism. So your belief that ‘study’ sounds better than divination a term which in your view will not ‘make a good impression for astrology’, indicates that your support for divination is based on emotion rather than a rational search for truth.
I am genuinely sorry that you feel that way about astrology, but giving priority to your emotions wastes a lot of good editing time. I am not saying that all you are doing is vandalism, as many pages need improvement. Personally, I would prefer to work with you towards creating better WP pages. Robert Currey talk 00:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
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There is a strategy of debate designed entirely to irritate, frustrate and force your opponent to act rashly. That strategy appears to be at work in the astrology pages right now. Don't surrender to any sudden impulses to do something that will give the baiting team excuses. I see myself in some crosshairs at the moment too, albeit for another matter, and may yet get my own mention in dispatches, so I try to never make immediate responses to vexatious nonsense. Even at ANI, no one will fault you for going to bed rather than staying online to answer every silly thing someone has to say immediately. Regards, Peter S Strempel | Talk 21:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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I've regretted (slightly) getting involved, so I'm going to let it go. Leave it for those who care & trust the sensible to prevail. (Overly optimistic? ;p ) Thx for the head's up, tho. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 08:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi =) So's ya know: this AFD nomination, on which you've opined, has been amended (expanded to include 2 similar articles) since your comment, should you care to revise it. Cheers, Nik the stoned 14:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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The above AfD has been nulled due to sockpuppet-related issues. You're welcome to comment at the new one - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srivatsa Ramaswami (2nd nomination). Cheers, m.o.p 06:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello and sorry to disturb you , but unfortunately I cannot understand nor am I happy about the fact that you are starting to delete even the 25k ITF Women's tournaments, because I think they are as notable as a 30k ATP Challenger that survives and there are so many notable players in these 25k tourneys (maybe there are some exeptions, but in general it is in the way I said it), that it should be kept in a 25k as they are now, so why removing them without removing men's 30k challengers? Catgamer ( talk) 09:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to disturb you once more, but can I become a member of the project and if yes how is this possible? Thanks for your answer. Catgamer ( talk) 10:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello MakeSense64, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I deleted 2012 ASB Classic - Singles, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow and specific, and the process is more effective if the correct criterion is used. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello MakeSense64, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Boycott of bnp paribas open by venus and serena williams, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: no reason was added, why the deletion of this page would quality under G6 (non-controversional technical task). You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about about my edits? 18:28, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I love a challenge. I found enough significant coverage in reliable sources to improve the article... such as Politika, Hürriyet and several others. I gladly invite you to revisit Jelenin svet to see what was first nominated [1] has become significantly better. [2] Cheers. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:06, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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Look at No. 1, it says all about the rule. Yes, you are correct to think we have much work to do. HotHat ( talk) 08:55, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Is it a problem for you if I am editing the Men's Futures regularly (as I have already done it for the first 2 weeks of 2012)? Catgamer ( talk) 18:59, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
A notification that the Templates for Discussion discussion (oy, repetition) has been taken to a deletion review discussion. The Article Rescue Squadron was notified, and as notifications to previous involved parties isn't normal practise, I and a few ARS members agreed that, in the interests of transparency and fairness, we should let everyone know...hence this talkpage message ;).
If anyone has an issue with me sending these out, do drop me a note on my talkpage. Regards, Ironholds ( talk) 10:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately on the ITF Women's Circuit, the ITF site has changed to a beta one, all the printable drawsheets I used as links are now just linking to the website. What should I do? :shrug:
Keroks ( talk) 11:01, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry but one of the reasons you stated on why the article should be deleted is because Jankovic has never been ranked No. 1? Perhaps you should check? She has been ranked no. 1. Besides, I think the rivalry is very legitimate. They're both from the same country, they've both been ranked No. 1 in the world and there is obvious bad blood between them. And besides, every citation I've included notes the fact that this is an intense rivalry. I know a lot of recent articles about rivalries have been deleted but I'm pretty sure this is more significant rivalry then the ones that have (i.e. Dementieva-S.Williams rivalry and such). And it's unfair of you to say that it's just another head-to-head page. I mean, it's a pretty well written article, and I've included many facets of their rivalry and the significance of the matches they've played against each other. So maybe you should reconsider? Or discuss first before you just simply place a deletion tag on the article on the talk page. Visual planet ( talk) 00:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Do not mention my name you do not deserve, no more, you do not deserve it because their actions are against me and insults me that much offended.All you do to chase away the people who love tennis, now you have started to delete all records related to tennis rivalries, I wonder if you delete articles Federer-Nadal rivalry, Djokovic-Nadal rivalry or Djokovic-Federer rivalry that I started.This what you do is ridiculous... Soundwaweserb ( talk) 22:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
And one more thing to tell you I'm a fan of tennis, that all. A Djokovic and not an individual, on my user page also includes Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Andy Murray, I love tennis and Wikipedia also, is not okay to insult me and call that I am liar. Soundwaweserb ( talk) 22:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
If you want an admin to close, you can put a note on Jenks24's talk page and undue his close. The vote was 3-7 and there are lots of other players, you know. I'm trying to remove a macron over here. Kauffner ( talk) 07:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
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You know, I was looking at the leads in tennis articles tonight. While I 100% feel that the English sourced name should always be the article title and is bolstered by wiki policy, guidelines and common sense, I can be a little flexible on the order in which the name appears in the lead. The trouble is when I was sitting here thinking about it I then noticed that In ictu oculi had removed all reference in the leads to any ITF/professional names in bunches of articles. Jesus! He just put the foreign name up front and left the rest as if the English version doesn't exist at all. I thought maybe I'd be flexible and leave it his way but make sure some sort of professional name was also in the lead. First he reverted it, then he sent messages to other projects in hopes they'll do his dirty work. I thought I was doing the good deed by not reverting his change and instead I get a rock thrown my way. Just needed to rant before signing off with a headache... I guess I'll have to keep an eye open for more changes. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 09:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I might want to make you all aware and especially you In ictu oculi that the Croat and Serb project would want use to follow native naming for the article titles that is the reason why we don't notify them because the would be overtly biased. For tennis players, we should follow what the majority of tennis publications written in the english language say we should use, which would satisfy UE. You all on the native naming side with the usage of diacritic all the time are flat out wrong on this the english language wikipedia. For most tennis player, it would mean to drop the diacritics from the titles and to put it under the secondary naming like we did with Novak Djokovic.
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I am back and on the prowl, I will pounce if need be! HotHat ( talk) 05:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't blame you... it does get frustrating. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Invitation to diacritics guideline discussion at WT:BLP | |
Hi, you were one of 100+ Users who has commented on a living person Requested Move featuring diacritics (e.g. the é in Beyoncé Knowles) in the last 30 days. Following closure of Talk:Stephane Huet RM, a tightening of BLP guidelines is proposed. Your contribution is invited to WT:BLP to discuss drafting a proposal for tightening BLP accuracy guidelines for names. In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC) |
Feel free to duplicate this invite on the pages of others who have commented, for or against. In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:TENNISNAMES. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:TENNISNAMES redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). bobrayner ( talk) 18:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Long time no edit. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:56, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, buy what does prose mean in this statement. Scores should not be added to prose unless strictly necessary, in such cases the tiebreak score is omitted. Just report the round and whether the player won or lost the match, and whom they played. Dencod16 ( talk) 23:55, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
User_talk:Andrewa#Use_of_sports_ranking_websites_as_.22reliable_sources.22. This guy is a piece of work. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Hey,
I seem to be missing out on a lot of talk on astrology but unfortunately I have been inundated with work since Sunday. Since I told you I'd be around the next day to continue discussion I wanted to drop you a note and say that I still might be a couple days away. Just FYI, I am not in anyway attached to the wording I introduced and hope only to find a way to better summarize the article, so luckily it'll get figured out with or without me but I'm just ridiculously swamped. SÆdon talk 09:38, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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For doing your best to make tennis articles better. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC) |
We may not agree 100% of the time but even when we don't I always feel you are trying to walk the straight and narrow in doing your best for sports related articles. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I suggest you go look at my case at the talk page because I basically evicerate the wrong side in the matter. I am not pro or anti diacritics, I just want to see our policies implemented. HotHat ( talk) 08:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I've posted some replies to your cleanup and merger proposals in the article's talk page. Cheers! — Bloom6132 ( talk) 07:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, please note that the article 2004 Estoril Open has been nominated for deletion along with the subarticles Men's Singles and Men's Doubles. Discussion can be found here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2004 Estoril Open-- Wolbo ( talk) 23:17, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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I used this diff about one of your edits here -- PBS ( talk) 09:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi MakeSense64, I recently added a section on our WikiProject Tennis talk page with a few questions and suggestions about the project's goals as they are currently formulated (see WP Tennis – Goals). Looking for a bit more feedback than received so far (are we too buy with the diacritics issue?) and would appreciate if you can drop by and give your thoughts so we can hopefully (further) improve our tennis project / goals. Thx!-- Wolbo ( talk) 09:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I see you have enshrined your misconception at User:MakeSense64#Tools. I think n-grams is a great tool, but it's no good for diacritics. Click through on the Erdos search link and you'll see... Dicklyon ( talk) 06:53, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Have a great summer break, and come back recharged. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:52, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
MakeSense64, you are the reviewer on Talk:Svetlana Kuznetsova/GA3. Should we assume that, because you're on extended break, you will not be completing this Good Article review, and send it back into the GAN pool? BlueMoonset ( talk) 02:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
hello,
I removed most of the scores per the guidelines. Sorry for taking so long and thanks for not closing it! :) Regards.-- GoP T C N 17:21, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Did you cull that listing strictly from the media or do you have a personal connection to the circuit?
Good to see my Officials article finally getting some use.
Greenguy1090 ( talk) 01:13, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I deleted a post of mine at the astrology talk page and inadvertently deleted yours too. I apologize for that. My purpose in deleting my own post was to avoid further fanning the flames after Zac jumped in and the discussion got far too hot. I thought I'd just swallow the points I was making and come back later. I am committed to maintaining a civil discussion at all times, but of course I am just as capable as anyone else of getting testy or losing my temper. I try to compensate for that by backing away if things get out of hand. When I made the deletion, in the editing box your post was up against mine without a space, as opposed to the other posts which were clearly separated from each other. So when I cut out the paragraph I had written, I got your post too. Sorry, I'll be more careful in the future.-- Other Choices ( talk) 22:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I think you're supporting my proposal for non-diacritic Vietnamese titles per Britannica, but you could be clearer. Kauffner ( talk) 16:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I see you have reverted my deletion of Category:Wheelchair sports from the article Wheelchair tennis, which is already categorized under Category:Wheelchair tennis and this is under the Category:Wheelchair sports. That means, the article is in any case categorized under the Category:Wheelchair sports. Please recheck and revert your edit since it is not necessary. Thanks. CeeGee ( talk) 18:35, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
What kind of action and outcome were you looking for with this report? In other words, if you had a magic wand, what would you like to happen? Viriditas ( talk) 21:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi MakeSense64
I have joined the Wikipedia Astrology project today and am contacting you as a listed member of that project. There has been a proposal to consider the project dead and merge it with 12 other alternative subjects into a new wiki project which would oversee all aspects of fringe. I think it would be a shame to lose the astrology project on the basis that it has no active participants without contacting the members directly and exploring ideas for new ways to work together on astrology-related pages. It would be very useful if you would visit the discussion and let us know if your interest in the project is still active, or what it might take to rekindle it. Regards Tento2 ( talk) 09:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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Would you care to point to the specific instance in the Wikipedia Manual of Style backing up your claim that Wikipedia does not publish software prices? On the contrary, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and the cost of any particular software package is highly relevant. The price alone generally tells you whether it's a consumer shareware-type application (like Fractal Time is) or an enterprise-level application that costs thousands of dollars per seat. -- Cyde Weys 21:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
"... therefore product prices should not be quoted in an article unless they can be sourced and there is a justified reason for their mention. Examples of justified reasons include notable sales of rare collectors items, prices relating to discussion of a price war, and historical discussion of economic inflation. On the other hand, street prices are trivia that can vary widely from place to place and over time. Therefore, lists of products currently on sale should not quote street prices. In addition, Wikipedia is not a price guide to be used to compare the prices of competing products, or the prices of a single product across different countries or regions."
-- MakeSense64 ( talk) 07:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough, though I still contend that there is definitely a reason to publish at least a ballpark figure of how much software costs, as that tells you a lot about the software. However, the article in question is about an idea moreso than the software, so the cost wasn't doing much for that article. If the article was just about the software, though, I'd definitely include it along the lines of "As of January 2009, the software was $19.99 per license" — that is useful information. And by giving the date, you aren't creating a directory field of sorts that has to be constantly keep up-to-date. -- Cyde Weys 12:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Re your comment on the Elwell page, the bar does tend to be higher for academics, but not it seems for professors. A mini debacle I've had occasionally is over the notion that if someone has got the professor title in front of their name, there is a default position of notability. If you want to get a BLP quickly beyond new page patrol, make sure the person is called a professor - CSD-A7 won't apply. I don't agree with it - but there it is :) The plus side is that once academics are there, they're harder to dislodge as their work can be assumed peer-reviewed. This means that non-academics who produce worthy works, and those such as Mr Elwell, have a higher bar to jump when it comes to work and honour verifiability and General Notability Guidlines. Acabashi ( talk) 20:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I asked for an investigation into Makepiece101 as a sock or meat puppet of one of the editors of the Elwell page - the account has been blocked see here. Out of courtesy, this information copied to other current editors of the Elwell talk page should not be referred to within the Elwell talk page. Acabashi ( talk) 16:43, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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I don't know if there should be some formal protocol for advising you that I took the Algol matter to the NPOV noticeboard, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Algol_-_feedback_on_whether_.28and_if_so.2C_to_what_extent.29_pseudoscience_policy_affects_the_content_of_this_star_page. Zac Δ talk 15:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
First, anyone is free to tag my biography page – god knows, it probably deserves it. However, to do it twelve hours after I had reverted one of your edits, looks like an act motivated by personal revenge. This is WP:HARRASSMENT and not worthy of a WP editor. I don’t plan to report this incident, but ask that you strive to be less emotionally motivated and more objective in your editing practices.
Second, on the Astrology Discussion Page you wrote:
“The only thing I notice when astrologers propose a lede for this article is this: they consistently try to paint astrology as a 'study', probably because that sounds better. The statement that it is pseudoscience is always pushed out to the end of the paragraph. Why? Probably because at least some people do not read the lede completely and skip to the further sections rather quickly. So it looks like an excercise in making a frog look pretty. The purpose of the lede is not to make a good impression for astrology. ...”
When you refer to astrologers promoting astrology as a ‘study’ rather than ‘divination’, you can only be referring to me. As I stated on the Astrology Discussion page, I consider it important to focus on the content and not try to second guess the motives of other editors: WP:FOC. However, I feel that here I can reply in a similar analytical manner and if it feels uncomfortable, you are welcome to delete it.
I believe that your comment quoted above says a lot about your motives for editing and the basis of your argument. Given your history and pattern of removing legitimate astrology text, tagging pages of astrologers and astrology groups, polarizing arguments, inciting other editors and obstructing astrology editing (BTW this is a polite description); I can safely say that you have a serious dislike of astrology that goes beyond scepticism. So your belief that ‘study’ sounds better than divination a term which in your view will not ‘make a good impression for astrology’, indicates that your support for divination is based on emotion rather than a rational search for truth.
I am genuinely sorry that you feel that way about astrology, but giving priority to your emotions wastes a lot of good editing time. I am not saying that all you are doing is vandalism, as many pages need improvement. Personally, I would prefer to work with you towards creating better WP pages. Robert Currey talk 00:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
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There is a strategy of debate designed entirely to irritate, frustrate and force your opponent to act rashly. That strategy appears to be at work in the astrology pages right now. Don't surrender to any sudden impulses to do something that will give the baiting team excuses. I see myself in some crosshairs at the moment too, albeit for another matter, and may yet get my own mention in dispatches, so I try to never make immediate responses to vexatious nonsense. Even at ANI, no one will fault you for going to bed rather than staying online to answer every silly thing someone has to say immediately. Regards, Peter S Strempel | Talk 21:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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I've regretted (slightly) getting involved, so I'm going to let it go. Leave it for those who care & trust the sensible to prevail. (Overly optimistic? ;p ) Thx for the head's up, tho. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 08:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi =) So's ya know: this AFD nomination, on which you've opined, has been amended (expanded to include 2 similar articles) since your comment, should you care to revise it. Cheers, Nik the stoned 14:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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The above AfD has been nulled due to sockpuppet-related issues. You're welcome to comment at the new one - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srivatsa Ramaswami (2nd nomination). Cheers, m.o.p 06:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello and sorry to disturb you , but unfortunately I cannot understand nor am I happy about the fact that you are starting to delete even the 25k ITF Women's tournaments, because I think they are as notable as a 30k ATP Challenger that survives and there are so many notable players in these 25k tourneys (maybe there are some exeptions, but in general it is in the way I said it), that it should be kept in a 25k as they are now, so why removing them without removing men's 30k challengers? Catgamer ( talk) 09:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry to disturb you once more, but can I become a member of the project and if yes how is this possible? Thanks for your answer. Catgamer ( talk) 10:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello MakeSense64, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I deleted 2012 ASB Classic - Singles, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow and specific, and the process is more effective if the correct criterion is used. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello MakeSense64, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Boycott of bnp paribas open by venus and serena williams, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: no reason was added, why the deletion of this page would quality under G6 (non-controversional technical task). You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about about my edits? 18:28, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I love a challenge. I found enough significant coverage in reliable sources to improve the article... such as Politika, Hürriyet and several others. I gladly invite you to revisit Jelenin svet to see what was first nominated [1] has become significantly better. [2] Cheers. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:06, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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Look at No. 1, it says all about the rule. Yes, you are correct to think we have much work to do. HotHat ( talk) 08:55, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Is it a problem for you if I am editing the Men's Futures regularly (as I have already done it for the first 2 weeks of 2012)? Catgamer ( talk) 18:59, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
A notification that the Templates for Discussion discussion (oy, repetition) has been taken to a deletion review discussion. The Article Rescue Squadron was notified, and as notifications to previous involved parties isn't normal practise, I and a few ARS members agreed that, in the interests of transparency and fairness, we should let everyone know...hence this talkpage message ;).
If anyone has an issue with me sending these out, do drop me a note on my talkpage. Regards, Ironholds ( talk) 10:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately on the ITF Women's Circuit, the ITF site has changed to a beta one, all the printable drawsheets I used as links are now just linking to the website. What should I do? :shrug:
Keroks ( talk) 11:01, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry but one of the reasons you stated on why the article should be deleted is because Jankovic has never been ranked No. 1? Perhaps you should check? She has been ranked no. 1. Besides, I think the rivalry is very legitimate. They're both from the same country, they've both been ranked No. 1 in the world and there is obvious bad blood between them. And besides, every citation I've included notes the fact that this is an intense rivalry. I know a lot of recent articles about rivalries have been deleted but I'm pretty sure this is more significant rivalry then the ones that have (i.e. Dementieva-S.Williams rivalry and such). And it's unfair of you to say that it's just another head-to-head page. I mean, it's a pretty well written article, and I've included many facets of their rivalry and the significance of the matches they've played against each other. So maybe you should reconsider? Or discuss first before you just simply place a deletion tag on the article on the talk page. Visual planet ( talk) 00:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Do not mention my name you do not deserve, no more, you do not deserve it because their actions are against me and insults me that much offended.All you do to chase away the people who love tennis, now you have started to delete all records related to tennis rivalries, I wonder if you delete articles Federer-Nadal rivalry, Djokovic-Nadal rivalry or Djokovic-Federer rivalry that I started.This what you do is ridiculous... Soundwaweserb ( talk) 22:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
And one more thing to tell you I'm a fan of tennis, that all. A Djokovic and not an individual, on my user page also includes Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Andy Murray, I love tennis and Wikipedia also, is not okay to insult me and call that I am liar. Soundwaweserb ( talk) 22:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
If you want an admin to close, you can put a note on Jenks24's talk page and undue his close. The vote was 3-7 and there are lots of other players, you know. I'm trying to remove a macron over here. Kauffner ( talk) 07:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
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You know, I was looking at the leads in tennis articles tonight. While I 100% feel that the English sourced name should always be the article title and is bolstered by wiki policy, guidelines and common sense, I can be a little flexible on the order in which the name appears in the lead. The trouble is when I was sitting here thinking about it I then noticed that In ictu oculi had removed all reference in the leads to any ITF/professional names in bunches of articles. Jesus! He just put the foreign name up front and left the rest as if the English version doesn't exist at all. I thought maybe I'd be flexible and leave it his way but make sure some sort of professional name was also in the lead. First he reverted it, then he sent messages to other projects in hopes they'll do his dirty work. I thought I was doing the good deed by not reverting his change and instead I get a rock thrown my way. Just needed to rant before signing off with a headache... I guess I'll have to keep an eye open for more changes. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 09:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I might want to make you all aware and especially you In ictu oculi that the Croat and Serb project would want use to follow native naming for the article titles that is the reason why we don't notify them because the would be overtly biased. For tennis players, we should follow what the majority of tennis publications written in the english language say we should use, which would satisfy UE. You all on the native naming side with the usage of diacritic all the time are flat out wrong on this the english language wikipedia. For most tennis player, it would mean to drop the diacritics from the titles and to put it under the secondary naming like we did with Novak Djokovic.
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I am back and on the prowl, I will pounce if need be! HotHat ( talk) 05:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't blame you... it does get frustrating. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Invitation to diacritics guideline discussion at WT:BLP | |
Hi, you were one of 100+ Users who has commented on a living person Requested Move featuring diacritics (e.g. the é in Beyoncé Knowles) in the last 30 days. Following closure of Talk:Stephane Huet RM, a tightening of BLP guidelines is proposed. Your contribution is invited to WT:BLP to discuss drafting a proposal for tightening BLP accuracy guidelines for names. In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC) |
Feel free to duplicate this invite on the pages of others who have commented, for or against. In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:TENNISNAMES. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:TENNISNAMES redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). bobrayner ( talk) 18:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Long time no edit. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 07:56, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, buy what does prose mean in this statement. Scores should not be added to prose unless strictly necessary, in such cases the tiebreak score is omitted. Just report the round and whether the player won or lost the match, and whom they played. Dencod16 ( talk) 23:55, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
User_talk:Andrewa#Use_of_sports_ranking_websites_as_.22reliable_sources.22. This guy is a piece of work. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Hey,
I seem to be missing out on a lot of talk on astrology but unfortunately I have been inundated with work since Sunday. Since I told you I'd be around the next day to continue discussion I wanted to drop you a note and say that I still might be a couple days away. Just FYI, I am not in anyway attached to the wording I introduced and hope only to find a way to better summarize the article, so luckily it'll get figured out with or without me but I'm just ridiculously swamped. SÆdon talk 09:38, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
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For doing your best to make tennis articles better. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC) |
We may not agree 100% of the time but even when we don't I always feel you are trying to walk the straight and narrow in doing your best for sports related articles. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I suggest you go look at my case at the talk page because I basically evicerate the wrong side in the matter. I am not pro or anti diacritics, I just want to see our policies implemented. HotHat ( talk) 08:20, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I've posted some replies to your cleanup and merger proposals in the article's talk page. Cheers! — Bloom6132 ( talk) 07:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi, please note that the article 2004 Estoril Open has been nominated for deletion along with the subarticles Men's Singles and Men's Doubles. Discussion can be found here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2004 Estoril Open-- Wolbo ( talk) 23:17, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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I used this diff about one of your edits here -- PBS ( talk) 09:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi MakeSense64, I recently added a section on our WikiProject Tennis talk page with a few questions and suggestions about the project's goals as they are currently formulated (see WP Tennis – Goals). Looking for a bit more feedback than received so far (are we too buy with the diacritics issue?) and would appreciate if you can drop by and give your thoughts so we can hopefully (further) improve our tennis project / goals. Thx!-- Wolbo ( talk) 09:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
I see you have enshrined your misconception at User:MakeSense64#Tools. I think n-grams is a great tool, but it's no good for diacritics. Click through on the Erdos search link and you'll see... Dicklyon ( talk) 06:53, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Have a great summer break, and come back recharged. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 06:52, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
MakeSense64, you are the reviewer on Talk:Svetlana Kuznetsova/GA3. Should we assume that, because you're on extended break, you will not be completing this Good Article review, and send it back into the GAN pool? BlueMoonset ( talk) 02:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
hello,
I removed most of the scores per the guidelines. Sorry for taking so long and thanks for not closing it! :) Regards.-- GoP T C N 17:21, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Did you cull that listing strictly from the media or do you have a personal connection to the circuit?
Good to see my Officials article finally getting some use.
Greenguy1090 ( talk) 01:13, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I deleted a post of mine at the astrology talk page and inadvertently deleted yours too. I apologize for that. My purpose in deleting my own post was to avoid further fanning the flames after Zac jumped in and the discussion got far too hot. I thought I'd just swallow the points I was making and come back later. I am committed to maintaining a civil discussion at all times, but of course I am just as capable as anyone else of getting testy or losing my temper. I try to compensate for that by backing away if things get out of hand. When I made the deletion, in the editing box your post was up against mine without a space, as opposed to the other posts which were clearly separated from each other. So when I cut out the paragraph I had written, I got your post too. Sorry, I'll be more careful in the future.-- Other Choices ( talk) 22:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I think you're supporting my proposal for non-diacritic Vietnamese titles per Britannica, but you could be clearer. Kauffner ( talk) 16:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I see you have reverted my deletion of Category:Wheelchair sports from the article Wheelchair tennis, which is already categorized under Category:Wheelchair tennis and this is under the Category:Wheelchair sports. That means, the article is in any case categorized under the Category:Wheelchair sports. Please recheck and revert your edit since it is not necessary. Thanks. CeeGee ( talk) 18:35, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
What kind of action and outcome were you looking for with this report? In other words, if you had a magic wand, what would you like to happen? Viriditas ( talk) 21:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi MakeSense64
I have joined the Wikipedia Astrology project today and am contacting you as a listed member of that project. There has been a proposal to consider the project dead and merge it with 12 other alternative subjects into a new wiki project which would oversee all aspects of fringe. I think it would be a shame to lose the astrology project on the basis that it has no active participants without contacting the members directly and exploring ideas for new ways to work together on astrology-related pages. It would be very useful if you would visit the discussion and let us know if your interest in the project is still active, or what it might take to rekindle it. Regards Tento2 ( talk) 09:22, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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