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I deleted "or Negro Rebellion". The word "negro" wasn't introduced until 1545 AD so it could not have been called the Negro Rebellion before the word "Negro" was introduced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Othelllo ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I deleted an ambiguous sentence about how the "slaves' treatment increased after the rebellion." I assume a language barrier was the cause of the unclearness. Whoever posted it, please clarify and resubmit.
I erased a quote saying that the revolt eventually 'failed and replaced it with 'subsided'.. If the revolt lasted for over 14 years and they even built their own capital then obviously it was n't a failed revolt, choose your words more carefully, who ever wrote this. Taharqa 19:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC))
Perhaps we should add that 'Ali bin Muhammad chose and used a very strong laqab: al-Mahdi (one may see his coins for the documentary confirmation) as well as, perhaps, amir al-mu'minin? -- Yevlem ( talk) 14:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
"Moktara, the Elect City, which at its peak was within 70 miles of Baghdad" Eh? Is this to suggest the distance often changed, between the two capitals? Jim.henderson 04:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I changed the name of the first section from "recipe" to "antecedents". It looked like vandalism to me and I couldn´t find any meaning to the word "recipe" that would make sense in this context, but I might be mistaken since English is not my native language.
"It grew to involve over 500,000 slaves and free men who were imported from across the Muslim empire and claimed over "tens of thousands of lives in lower Iraq""
The citation for that claim is a dead link. -- HakimPhilo ( talk) 21:09, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Edit: Someone found out a working link, however as far as I read I found no mention of 500,000 slaves. Can someone quote the specific passage if it exists? Thanks. -- HakimPhilo ( talk) 09:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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I have replace the background detail With more accurate information that illustrates the true nature of what was taking place during those time. The current wiki for zenj doesn’t display the appropriate history The Eradicator of falsehood ( talk) 00:34, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Great write-up!!!! Better information here than is publicly available elsewhere. Appreciate the maps showing the canals. That is important for understanding this conflict, particularly the final siege. Only quibble, is the Nahrs are not annotated so the reader does not have any reference for those... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birdman93 ( talk • contribs) 08:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
The work is overly reliant on Noldeke and Popovic, while minimizing the biases of Al-Tabari and Masudi. Tabari's biases put Noldeke in the unenviable position of making suppositions that are illogical, and Noldeke willingly flies blind through significant elements of his conjectures. The historiography section does acknowledge Shaban's work, but gives it short shrift. His framework, given Goldziher's position on the makeup of the respective Arab and Persian populations in this period, makes more sense. Noldeke's writings (without footnotes and clear sourcing) bring al-Tabari's biases to the English-speaking community without logic or context. Popovic has read Goldziher, but ignores him when it is convenient and without providing a rationale. This article suffers, through no fault of the author, from the tyranny of the mob...a flawed consensus stands because it the consensus. #CirclesUnbroken -- Temple3 ( talk) 15:01, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Piyamaradus: Hello, could you please address the concerns I made as well as explain the reasoning behind these changes? You reverted me twice without any form of explanation. I would like to remind you of WP:CONSENSUS once more. HistoryofIran ( talk) 19:55, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Piyamaradus ( talk) 22:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)It was not a slave revolt. It was a "zanj", i.e. a Negro, revolt. To equate Negro with slave is a reflection of nineteenth-century racial theories; it could only apply to the American South before the Civil War...On the contrary, some of the people who were working in the salt marshes were among the first to fight against the revolt. Of course, there were a few runaway slaves who joined the rebels, but this still does not make it a slave revolt. The vast majority of the rebels were Arabs of the Persian Gulf supported by free East Africans who had made their homes in the region. [1]
"Sources are being incorrectly summarized or blatantly misquoted.
"the link I posted to a Guardian news article was simply to support that Marsh Arab uprisings had happened within Saddam Hussein's rule, a scholarly link was not required to support that statement."
"claiming that I posted no scholarly sources to support my claims, and erasing the quotes I posted by scholars including M. A. Shaban (published by Cambridge University Press), who explains that the Zanj Rebellion was not a slave rebellion but rather an Arab rebellion supported by East African immigrants in Iraq"
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I deleted "or Negro Rebellion". The word "negro" wasn't introduced until 1545 AD so it could not have been called the Negro Rebellion before the word "Negro" was introduced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Othelllo ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I deleted an ambiguous sentence about how the "slaves' treatment increased after the rebellion." I assume a language barrier was the cause of the unclearness. Whoever posted it, please clarify and resubmit.
I erased a quote saying that the revolt eventually 'failed and replaced it with 'subsided'.. If the revolt lasted for over 14 years and they even built their own capital then obviously it was n't a failed revolt, choose your words more carefully, who ever wrote this. Taharqa 19:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC))
Perhaps we should add that 'Ali bin Muhammad chose and used a very strong laqab: al-Mahdi (one may see his coins for the documentary confirmation) as well as, perhaps, amir al-mu'minin? -- Yevlem ( talk) 14:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
"Moktara, the Elect City, which at its peak was within 70 miles of Baghdad" Eh? Is this to suggest the distance often changed, between the two capitals? Jim.henderson 04:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I changed the name of the first section from "recipe" to "antecedents". It looked like vandalism to me and I couldn´t find any meaning to the word "recipe" that would make sense in this context, but I might be mistaken since English is not my native language.
"It grew to involve over 500,000 slaves and free men who were imported from across the Muslim empire and claimed over "tens of thousands of lives in lower Iraq""
The citation for that claim is a dead link. -- HakimPhilo ( talk) 21:09, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Edit: Someone found out a working link, however as far as I read I found no mention of 500,000 slaves. Can someone quote the specific passage if it exists? Thanks. -- HakimPhilo ( talk) 09:25, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I have replace the background detail With more accurate information that illustrates the true nature of what was taking place during those time. The current wiki for zenj doesn’t display the appropriate history The Eradicator of falsehood ( talk) 00:34, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Great write-up!!!! Better information here than is publicly available elsewhere. Appreciate the maps showing the canals. That is important for understanding this conflict, particularly the final siege. Only quibble, is the Nahrs are not annotated so the reader does not have any reference for those... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birdman93 ( talk • contribs) 08:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
The work is overly reliant on Noldeke and Popovic, while minimizing the biases of Al-Tabari and Masudi. Tabari's biases put Noldeke in the unenviable position of making suppositions that are illogical, and Noldeke willingly flies blind through significant elements of his conjectures. The historiography section does acknowledge Shaban's work, but gives it short shrift. His framework, given Goldziher's position on the makeup of the respective Arab and Persian populations in this period, makes more sense. Noldeke's writings (without footnotes and clear sourcing) bring al-Tabari's biases to the English-speaking community without logic or context. Popovic has read Goldziher, but ignores him when it is convenient and without providing a rationale. This article suffers, through no fault of the author, from the tyranny of the mob...a flawed consensus stands because it the consensus. #CirclesUnbroken -- Temple3 ( talk) 15:01, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Piyamaradus: Hello, could you please address the concerns I made as well as explain the reasoning behind these changes? You reverted me twice without any form of explanation. I would like to remind you of WP:CONSENSUS once more. HistoryofIran ( talk) 19:55, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Piyamaradus ( talk) 22:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)It was not a slave revolt. It was a "zanj", i.e. a Negro, revolt. To equate Negro with slave is a reflection of nineteenth-century racial theories; it could only apply to the American South before the Civil War...On the contrary, some of the people who were working in the salt marshes were among the first to fight against the revolt. Of course, there were a few runaway slaves who joined the rebels, but this still does not make it a slave revolt. The vast majority of the rebels were Arabs of the Persian Gulf supported by free East Africans who had made their homes in the region. [1]
"Sources are being incorrectly summarized or blatantly misquoted.
"the link I posted to a Guardian news article was simply to support that Marsh Arab uprisings had happened within Saddam Hussein's rule, a scholarly link was not required to support that statement."
"claiming that I posted no scholarly sources to support my claims, and erasing the quotes I posted by scholars including M. A. Shaban (published by Cambridge University Press), who explains that the Zanj Rebellion was not a slave rebellion but rather an Arab rebellion supported by East African immigrants in Iraq"
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