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Apparently, there is an edit war going on between a blog version and the translated official version of Yuna Ito's biography. There still seems to be no effort to merge these 2 versions.
The blog version seems to be written originally by Mara, a site admin within the nana-nana.net/yunaforum website. This blog version seems to be problematic, in that there are numerous grammatical and spelling errors, and seems to be posted into Wikipedia by anonymous user(s). Also, there may be a problem with the Wikipedia:Citing sources policy, as the blog version is never properly cited within the article.
The translated official version is based on Sony's official version in Japanese (click biography), translated by bemmu.com, and posted into Wikipedia by actual Wikipedia users (Kamezuki, Yajimari21, etc.).
I propose to merge these 2 versions, if the following conditions are met. I think we need to know where Mara obtained her information: a childhood friend of Yuna, or an ex-employee of Itochan Sushi, or whatever. I think we need to reveal the identity of the source of this information. Even then, the material from the blog version should be merely supplemental to the translated official version. Also, any grammatical & spelling errors must be corrected.-- Endroit 20:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you Endroit, the blog version is very... unprofessional, exclamation points, colloquialisms *shudders*, but if Mara could be contacted somehow and reconfigure the fan-bio so that it could be a nice supplement it could be added. This edit war is becoming ridiculous, and over such a small matter as well. If any users are able to contact Mara please post in this discussion. Yajimari21 02:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Before I was aware of this stupid war, I editted the biography because no offense, it was filled with way too much cuddly words and sounded really bad due to the grammar. Someone should help edit the singles too, they seem to be in the same style as the original biography.-- Bakahito 09:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Yuna, is common name among Korean female. Plus its funny and stupid why would Yuna Ito or her mother be offended if the name " Yuna" can be common name in Korean and Japanese. Yuna Ito by blood she is part Korean. Please leave out bias opinion please. As Yuna Ito fan and Honolulu, Hawaii residence as a perosn who does know her mother well. Her mother is not type of person who would be offended if name Yuna be common used name in Korean and Japanese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korea4one ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I was having dinner at Aki-no-No in Honolulu earlier tonight. I'm close with both Yuna and Yuna's parents who own the restaurant. Her mom was searching around the Internet for mentions of her daughter. When she came across the Wikipedia article, she was totally shocked at some of the mis-information. She sat with me and made the corrections right at the restaurant's computer. Although the information corrected isn't recorded anywhere else as Wikipedia requires, there's quite a bit of personal information in the article that you just can't prove citing published evidence. Maybe using her parents as a source may not be valid citing within Wikipedia, but leaving false information un-changed is just as bad.
One thing that upsetted her was the Korean name. To set the record straight, the context behind the name "Yuna", according to her parents, is Japanese. Yuna does not officially have a Korean name as assigned to her. Her mom can read and speak Korean, and she says the Hangul-written name was incorrect. Also, she never attended Iolani School. Before her 7th grade year, she attended an elementary school which I won't mention here. And, she lives in an apartment in Tokyo and not in Hokkaido. I re-wrote references to McKinley High School to clarify that she in fact graduated from the school in 2001, and not that she just "left" the school in 2001 which could be intepreted as dropping out. Groink 10:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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The article clearly states that she is "a native-born citizen of the United States and was brought up in Hawai'i." As a native-born US citizen, it is impossible for her official (legal) name (as given on a birth certificate or passport) to have kanji. (At best, she can register an alias (通称名), but that does not take precedence over the orthography given in a passport.) In addition, the Japanese wikipedia clearly states that the kanji is ateji, which makes sense as she is a US citizen.
Assume for the moment that somehow it officially is 伊藤由奈. In romanization, that is Itō Yuna or Yuna Itō. Why does Itō become Ito? They are radically different surnames. The common Japanese surname is Itō, but there is also Ito (see Hiroshi Ito). So it is not as simple as merely dropping the diacritics for convenience. And yet I imagine there would be huge resistance to moving the page to Yuna Itō.
I have no issue with listing the kanji for her name. However, it is deceptive to omit the note that it is ateji. Until several recent edits, this page did in fact say so, just as the Japanese article does. In all fairness, I propose the following compromise: list 伊藤由奈 in another section and state that it is ateji. If necessary, clarify that her real surname is Ito and not Itō and why the two are different. 202.221.192.193 ( talk) 03:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
. 伊藤由奈 is not "English/Latin alphabet" so is meaningless to this issue. More importantly, you do not seem to understand what a trade name is. Quote from article:Use the official trade name if available in English/Latin alphabet.
. People do not have "trade names". And even if they did, you would need to provide a source specifically claiming so. Your "reference" does not say that 伊藤由奈 is a trade name. Thus, it is unsourced and subject to removal. Remember what WP:PROVEIT says: "Do not leave unsourced information in articles for too long". If you insist on it, then you will need to provide a source that specifically states that it is a trade name, and in which case state in the article that it is a trade name. Trade names are legally registered so it should not be hard to find. However, people do not have trade names, but the burden of proof is up to you for it to remain in the article. 202.221.192.193 ( talk) 23:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[... a] name which a business trades under for commercial purposes, although its registered, legal name [...]
The note is an improvement in the right direction. However, more details are needed than a simple note. Questions:
More on this after we discuss these issues. 202.221.192.193 ( talk) 08:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm totally shocked! Someone from Wikiproject Hawaii dropped Ito's status to "low". This editor doesn't have a clue. I'm also from Hawaii (Pearl City). The reason why Yuna is virtually an unknown in the islands is that the local media as a whole won't give her the coverage - just because she's not "local" enough and doesn't speak da-kine. She chose the Japanese market over the U.S. That's not something to hold against her. Look at Jasmine Trias... Her only claim to fame is being on American Idol (and she didn't win). Ito, on the other hand won the same OC16 singing event as Jasmine. She appeared in a major movie in Japan. She appeared on Kouhaku, which is recognized even by the local contingency in Hawaii and the world. And, she's even worked with Celine Dion. All Jasmine's done is compete in a demon-dialing voting campaign (which btw was an embarrassment to Hawaii,) and is now catering almost exclusively for the Filipinos. If Jasmine's rated as "mid", Yuna should also be "mid". Groink ( talk) 02:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
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Apparently, there is an edit war going on between a blog version and the translated official version of Yuna Ito's biography. There still seems to be no effort to merge these 2 versions.
The blog version seems to be written originally by Mara, a site admin within the nana-nana.net/yunaforum website. This blog version seems to be problematic, in that there are numerous grammatical and spelling errors, and seems to be posted into Wikipedia by anonymous user(s). Also, there may be a problem with the Wikipedia:Citing sources policy, as the blog version is never properly cited within the article.
The translated official version is based on Sony's official version in Japanese (click biography), translated by bemmu.com, and posted into Wikipedia by actual Wikipedia users (Kamezuki, Yajimari21, etc.).
I propose to merge these 2 versions, if the following conditions are met. I think we need to know where Mara obtained her information: a childhood friend of Yuna, or an ex-employee of Itochan Sushi, or whatever. I think we need to reveal the identity of the source of this information. Even then, the material from the blog version should be merely supplemental to the translated official version. Also, any grammatical & spelling errors must be corrected.-- Endroit 20:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you Endroit, the blog version is very... unprofessional, exclamation points, colloquialisms *shudders*, but if Mara could be contacted somehow and reconfigure the fan-bio so that it could be a nice supplement it could be added. This edit war is becoming ridiculous, and over such a small matter as well. If any users are able to contact Mara please post in this discussion. Yajimari21 02:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Before I was aware of this stupid war, I editted the biography because no offense, it was filled with way too much cuddly words and sounded really bad due to the grammar. Someone should help edit the singles too, they seem to be in the same style as the original biography.-- Bakahito 09:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Yuna, is common name among Korean female. Plus its funny and stupid why would Yuna Ito or her mother be offended if the name " Yuna" can be common name in Korean and Japanese. Yuna Ito by blood she is part Korean. Please leave out bias opinion please. As Yuna Ito fan and Honolulu, Hawaii residence as a perosn who does know her mother well. Her mother is not type of person who would be offended if name Yuna be common used name in Korean and Japanese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korea4one ( talk • contribs) 10:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I was having dinner at Aki-no-No in Honolulu earlier tonight. I'm close with both Yuna and Yuna's parents who own the restaurant. Her mom was searching around the Internet for mentions of her daughter. When she came across the Wikipedia article, she was totally shocked at some of the mis-information. She sat with me and made the corrections right at the restaurant's computer. Although the information corrected isn't recorded anywhere else as Wikipedia requires, there's quite a bit of personal information in the article that you just can't prove citing published evidence. Maybe using her parents as a source may not be valid citing within Wikipedia, but leaving false information un-changed is just as bad.
One thing that upsetted her was the Korean name. To set the record straight, the context behind the name "Yuna", according to her parents, is Japanese. Yuna does not officially have a Korean name as assigned to her. Her mom can read and speak Korean, and she says the Hangul-written name was incorrect. Also, she never attended Iolani School. Before her 7th grade year, she attended an elementary school which I won't mention here. And, she lives in an apartment in Tokyo and not in Hokkaido. I re-wrote references to McKinley High School to clarify that she in fact graduated from the school in 2001, and not that she just "left" the school in 2001 which could be intepreted as dropping out. Groink 10:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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The article clearly states that she is "a native-born citizen of the United States and was brought up in Hawai'i." As a native-born US citizen, it is impossible for her official (legal) name (as given on a birth certificate or passport) to have kanji. (At best, she can register an alias (通称名), but that does not take precedence over the orthography given in a passport.) In addition, the Japanese wikipedia clearly states that the kanji is ateji, which makes sense as she is a US citizen.
Assume for the moment that somehow it officially is 伊藤由奈. In romanization, that is Itō Yuna or Yuna Itō. Why does Itō become Ito? They are radically different surnames. The common Japanese surname is Itō, but there is also Ito (see Hiroshi Ito). So it is not as simple as merely dropping the diacritics for convenience. And yet I imagine there would be huge resistance to moving the page to Yuna Itō.
I have no issue with listing the kanji for her name. However, it is deceptive to omit the note that it is ateji. Until several recent edits, this page did in fact say so, just as the Japanese article does. In all fairness, I propose the following compromise: list 伊藤由奈 in another section and state that it is ateji. If necessary, clarify that her real surname is Ito and not Itō and why the two are different. 202.221.192.193 ( talk) 03:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
. 伊藤由奈 is not "English/Latin alphabet" so is meaningless to this issue. More importantly, you do not seem to understand what a trade name is. Quote from article:Use the official trade name if available in English/Latin alphabet.
. People do not have "trade names". And even if they did, you would need to provide a source specifically claiming so. Your "reference" does not say that 伊藤由奈 is a trade name. Thus, it is unsourced and subject to removal. Remember what WP:PROVEIT says: "Do not leave unsourced information in articles for too long". If you insist on it, then you will need to provide a source that specifically states that it is a trade name, and in which case state in the article that it is a trade name. Trade names are legally registered so it should not be hard to find. However, people do not have trade names, but the burden of proof is up to you for it to remain in the article. 202.221.192.193 ( talk) 23:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[... a] name which a business trades under for commercial purposes, although its registered, legal name [...]
The note is an improvement in the right direction. However, more details are needed than a simple note. Questions:
More on this after we discuss these issues. 202.221.192.193 ( talk) 08:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm totally shocked! Someone from Wikiproject Hawaii dropped Ito's status to "low". This editor doesn't have a clue. I'm also from Hawaii (Pearl City). The reason why Yuna is virtually an unknown in the islands is that the local media as a whole won't give her the coverage - just because she's not "local" enough and doesn't speak da-kine. She chose the Japanese market over the U.S. That's not something to hold against her. Look at Jasmine Trias... Her only claim to fame is being on American Idol (and she didn't win). Ito, on the other hand won the same OC16 singing event as Jasmine. She appeared in a major movie in Japan. She appeared on Kouhaku, which is recognized even by the local contingency in Hawaii and the world. And, she's even worked with Celine Dion. All Jasmine's done is compete in a demon-dialing voting campaign (which btw was an embarrassment to Hawaii,) and is now catering almost exclusively for the Filipinos. If Jasmine's rated as "mid", Yuna should also be "mid". Groink ( talk) 02:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
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I don't know the rule when it comes to retired artists and the infobox, but as the bot points out above, http://www.yunaweb.com is no longer her website. The bot used this Archive.org link. http://web.archive.org/web/20100826031406/http://www.yunaweb.com:80/. -- 98.201.151.186 ( talk) 17:35, 11 May 2019 (UTC)