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Curious as to why there is no discussion in the main article regarding the traditional identification of Xerxes I as the Persian King named Ahasuerus in the biblical book of Esther. There are countless books and websites that reference this traditional connection, so why not at least mention it? A few references found within a few minutes of googling: Princeton grad student wiki, Identification of Darius the Mede by George R. Law p 95, Encyclopedia Britannica Vol I 1890 p 422, Encyclopaedia perthensis, or, Universal dictionary of the arts, sciences, literature, etc, Volume 9 page 82 2nd Ed 1816, and of course The Jewish Encyclopedia Regardless whether these sites embody full academic merit, or whether this identification is historically factual at all, the longstanding traditional association and present-day debate, in and of themselves, deserve mention. 70.66.148.34 ( talk) 23:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
"Xerxes is also retarded and idiotic to be weird the king in the biblical Book of Esther" There's no evidence to suggest this is him. It's just pointless speculation. As a matter of fact.. there's little evidence to suggest a lot of things in the biblical book of whoever, but... anyway :P This is probably one of the Artaxerxes's who are often confused with Xerxes, such as the king called "that wicked man" by Egyptian priests, was not Xerxes as the cartouche would suggest but most likely Artaxerxes III. But I'm just a fucking High School student, so what would I know.
Another possible discrepancy I've found is that the article on Haman from the Book of Esther mentions that he is generally thought to be Xerxes I. The story of Haman and the timeline don't seem to support this. Thoughts? Saturn 5 19:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Whether you belive the Book's events happeend or not the Author's intent was clearly to Identify Xerxes, the Septuigant was the orign of the mistakeing him for Artexerxes, but his 1 refrence in Ezra shows he reigne dbetween Darius and Artxerxes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.144.33.65 ( talk) 06:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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I would suggest the removal of the word "fictional" when describing Ahasuerus. Billions of people around the world adhere to the Bible and don't see it as a work of fiction. If anything, make reference to the disputed status of his historicity, but I would highly advise against simply saying he is fictional. In so doing you risk alienating many people by stating that their holy book is inaccurate, a book which they believe to be true. Also, saying that Esther is "broadly considered to be fictional" is not very conciliatory. It is telling people who believe in this book that "most people" think it's fake. Even though that is a claim that is hard to prove. Thank you. XanderSt9898 ( talk) 21:26, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
If there's a cuneiform saying Xerxes was killed by his son, this seems to me to confirm Ctesias' version over Aristotle's, which is later and seems less likely (Artabanus just whacks a bunch of the royal family, but leaves other sons of Xerxes alive)? Cornelius ( talk) 03:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm uncomfortable with the first sentence of this section: "Much of Xerxes' bad reputation is due to propaganda by the Macedonian king Alexander the Great (r. 336–323 BC), who had him vilified." This is in the source cited, but it seems dubious. Most of our source material for Xerxes pre-dates Alexander. Xerxes is vilified in The Persians and, if Herodotus treats him as "more of a tragic figure," that's not the same thing as saying he isn't responsible for his "bad reputation".
I also don't really see what we gain by having separate sections on "historiography" at one end of the article and "cultural depictions" at the other. Herodotus is a cultural depiction. If we had any writings from Alexander the Great about Xerxes, they would also be cultural depictions. Furius ( talk) 02:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
"Much of Xerxes' bad reputation..."before it has even been established on page that Xerxes had a "bad reputation". What underlying assumptions is this page structure carrying? Bare minimum, this section would need to introduced with a proper overview of the different cultural depictions of Xerxes to makes sense of where these sentences are about - by which point, yeah, you almost may as well have it in the cultural depictions section. If it is more amenable, perhaps it could be a sub-section of the cultural depictions section that shows how the cultural depictions fed into the write ups by historians? But as it stands, introducing the historiography before the subject itself has even been properly introduced is just counter intuitive. Iskandar323 ( talk) 06:09, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Since it's uncertain if the king portrayed in the relief shown by the infobox image is actually Xerxes, I propose it be switched out for the confirmed depiction of Xerxes found on his tomb. I'm thinking either this one or this one. There's also the option of this/ this relief at his palace in Persepolis. Any objections? Sinclairian ( talk) 17:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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Curious as to why there is no discussion in the main article regarding the traditional identification of Xerxes I as the Persian King named Ahasuerus in the biblical book of Esther. There are countless books and websites that reference this traditional connection, so why not at least mention it? A few references found within a few minutes of googling: Princeton grad student wiki, Identification of Darius the Mede by George R. Law p 95, Encyclopedia Britannica Vol I 1890 p 422, Encyclopaedia perthensis, or, Universal dictionary of the arts, sciences, literature, etc, Volume 9 page 82 2nd Ed 1816, and of course The Jewish Encyclopedia Regardless whether these sites embody full academic merit, or whether this identification is historically factual at all, the longstanding traditional association and present-day debate, in and of themselves, deserve mention. 70.66.148.34 ( talk) 23:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
"Xerxes is also retarded and idiotic to be weird the king in the biblical Book of Esther" There's no evidence to suggest this is him. It's just pointless speculation. As a matter of fact.. there's little evidence to suggest a lot of things in the biblical book of whoever, but... anyway :P This is probably one of the Artaxerxes's who are often confused with Xerxes, such as the king called "that wicked man" by Egyptian priests, was not Xerxes as the cartouche would suggest but most likely Artaxerxes III. But I'm just a fucking High School student, so what would I know.
Another possible discrepancy I've found is that the article on Haman from the Book of Esther mentions that he is generally thought to be Xerxes I. The story of Haman and the timeline don't seem to support this. Thoughts? Saturn 5 19:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Whether you belive the Book's events happeend or not the Author's intent was clearly to Identify Xerxes, the Septuigant was the orign of the mistakeing him for Artexerxes, but his 1 refrence in Ezra shows he reigne dbetween Darius and Artxerxes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.144.33.65 ( talk) 06:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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I would suggest the removal of the word "fictional" when describing Ahasuerus. Billions of people around the world adhere to the Bible and don't see it as a work of fiction. If anything, make reference to the disputed status of his historicity, but I would highly advise against simply saying he is fictional. In so doing you risk alienating many people by stating that their holy book is inaccurate, a book which they believe to be true. Also, saying that Esther is "broadly considered to be fictional" is not very conciliatory. It is telling people who believe in this book that "most people" think it's fake. Even though that is a claim that is hard to prove. Thank you. XanderSt9898 ( talk) 21:26, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
If there's a cuneiform saying Xerxes was killed by his son, this seems to me to confirm Ctesias' version over Aristotle's, which is later and seems less likely (Artabanus just whacks a bunch of the royal family, but leaves other sons of Xerxes alive)? Cornelius ( talk) 03:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm uncomfortable with the first sentence of this section: "Much of Xerxes' bad reputation is due to propaganda by the Macedonian king Alexander the Great (r. 336–323 BC), who had him vilified." This is in the source cited, but it seems dubious. Most of our source material for Xerxes pre-dates Alexander. Xerxes is vilified in The Persians and, if Herodotus treats him as "more of a tragic figure," that's not the same thing as saying he isn't responsible for his "bad reputation".
I also don't really see what we gain by having separate sections on "historiography" at one end of the article and "cultural depictions" at the other. Herodotus is a cultural depiction. If we had any writings from Alexander the Great about Xerxes, they would also be cultural depictions. Furius ( talk) 02:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
"Much of Xerxes' bad reputation..."before it has even been established on page that Xerxes had a "bad reputation". What underlying assumptions is this page structure carrying? Bare minimum, this section would need to introduced with a proper overview of the different cultural depictions of Xerxes to makes sense of where these sentences are about - by which point, yeah, you almost may as well have it in the cultural depictions section. If it is more amenable, perhaps it could be a sub-section of the cultural depictions section that shows how the cultural depictions fed into the write ups by historians? But as it stands, introducing the historiography before the subject itself has even been properly introduced is just counter intuitive. Iskandar323 ( talk) 06:09, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Since it's uncertain if the king portrayed in the relief shown by the infobox image is actually Xerxes, I propose it be switched out for the confirmed depiction of Xerxes found on his tomb. I'm thinking either this one or this one. There's also the option of this/ this relief at his palace in Persepolis. Any objections? Sinclairian ( talk) 17:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)