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Hm... it seems that many of the people who are guilty of the vandalism of the Xavier High School article are in fact students at Xavier High School. It would be nice if we could represent our school in a mature manner without the unnecessary and childish comments in between. For example, "Caseywurzbachville" is a completely unnecessary and asinine comment. If you are going to add to the page, then at least add legitimate things or post whatever you are going to add before posting it. By the way, there is no need to explain Jug. It is something that is true of the school, but there are so many better things to tell everyone about. So, please, would everyone grow up and stop posting nonsensical or incoherent articles. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zouf ( talk • contribs) 23:27, January 12, 2006 (UTC)
Matt, do you really think that the idiots are going to pay attention? I doubt that they even know that the talk page exists. — Larry V 03:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It is true that Catholic students who attend this school hail from dioceses other than the Archdiocese of New York; however, the issue of students' geographic diversity is already covered by noting that "Xavier draws students from all five boroughs of New York City, as well as New Jersey, Nassau County, Westchester County, and even Orange County." In addition, the statement in question begins, "The school serves ...." Quite clearly, Xavier High School "serves" only the Archdiocese of New York. Schools and parishes do not "serve" multiple church bodies. It would be greatly appreciated if user 207.188.97.8 replied to this message, or at least provided a decent edit message explaining his/her reasoning in repeatedly adding references to these additional dioceses. If no reply is forthcoming and the article is reverted to the prior state, this user will be reported to Wikipedia administrators. — Larry V 17:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I know there are more notable alumni from 30 West 16th Street than just Scalia and Roker. Like Donald Cook for example.
- verndogs
This article definetly needs more references. For instance, how do you know that Xavier is planning to introduce its own admission exam? 68.175.27.35 01:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I personally spoke with the Director of Admissions, who is an old friend, and he stated that the rumors about a new test for admission are completely untrue. The TACHS will continue to be the admission test. 67.72.98.83 19:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
They just started using a separate application to get into Xavier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.95.127 ( talk) 15:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
They've had a separate APPLICATION for a long time (since at least the mid-'90s, when I went), wherein one lists extra-curriculars, writes a short essay, etc., but the admissions test used is still the TACHS. 67.247.26.135 ( talk) 13:58, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Since when do they teach "rhetoric"? Even when my dad graduated back in the 50's they were phasing it out - we certainly didn't study it when I went.
I heard that Xavier is constructing a new building --- some info on that might be appropriate in the article... 64.12.116.131 04:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know the reason behind Dr. Gerics' departure? 66.108.1.7 00:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
It might take a while for info on the new theatre to get out, because no one outside of the administration seems to have a clear idea about how in hell its going to get built. According to posting on the XHS Alumni site, construction hadn't begun by mid-July. By the way, and this is my own opinion mind you, but considering that the article has been cleaned up quite a bit, don't you think it's time to unflag it? It's terribly embarassing, not to mention, at least at this point, inaccurate. Just a thought! 67.72.98.83 19:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
…or complete lack thereof. This article has just four references; for its length, this is ridiculous! Larry V ( talk | contribs) 11:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Is this even true or is it just something that a vandal put there that no one has bothered to remove? 68.237.203.136
Check the school website -- this is accurate Bobby GR ( talk) 13:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The rugby team has won three national championships, two in Division I, and one in Division II. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the "Athletics" section? HandsomeSam57 20:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
It's too bad that I can't think of how you would source the story, to the extent I know it, of how the military came to be optional. The late sixties was a great time to be at Xavier. Various Jesuits were at their most extreme in oppostion to the war. The younger mil sci faculty were just back from tours in Vietnam including Major Smullins. Rather than having one teacher for the year as with other classes military science had "blcoks of instruction". The faculty was a couple of retired sergeants, a couple of active duty sergeants and Major Smullins. Senior year, besides "The Psychology of Leadrship", he taught "Counter-Insurgency". Meanwhile the Jesuits uptown were under surveillance by the FBI (ironically a profession not unusual for Xavier graduates). Out on the street in uniform we were required to salute real military officers, cadet officers, priests and nuns and faculty members. Some of the faculty said they didn't want to be saluted, kind of embarrasing. Up until 1969 most juniors and seniors were required to be MP's every third week or so. Basically you stood in the hall, came to atention for faculty and cadet officers and persecuted underclassmen for being out of uniform. Senior year they decided to make MP's a special unit. It was cool they even got brass pistols rather than rifles to wear. There was a flaw in the theory. About one third of the seniors were officers and another third were high ranking sergeants. Those that were left were the kids who had majored in Jug. One of the greatest achievements you could think of was to graduate from Xavier as private. It took four years of living on the edge of being thrown out, but somehow persisting.
One of my friends told me that every first sergeant in the first and second battalion (the third was special units) was getting paid off to mark kids present a drill.
Kids came in wearing black arm bands, which was out of uniform. In another irony the pro war kids wore American flag pins. They were also out of uniform.
I wish I could document some of this, but I guess it has to stay in the talk section
Peter Reilly ( talk) 01:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by decline -- numbers, maybe. But it still gets high scores from the Department of the Army, and still sends students to the academies. Given your estimate that a third were never really "in the program" - opting for jug and demotion -- a percentage today of 30%+ wouldn't be so bad. Is optional such a bad thing?
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An earlier version of this page had morphed a description of the school's retreat program into an unsubstantiated rant about "liturgy", "clericalism", and "neglible" presence of Jesuits at the school. Perhaps the author/authors want to offer a different perspective; but as an interested party I'd think the wiki community would be better served by comments that are demonstrable, not simply gut feelings. Rgr1969 ( talk) 22:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I was trying to fix vandalism and may have made a hash of it. I think it is OK now.
Peter Reilly ( talk) 20:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a general trend of changing the description of private schools to be "independent" schools, and an IP editor is doing that on this article. I do not believe this is a good thing. It is clear (at least to US readers) what a "private" school is, it is a school that is not available as of right to any child in the general public, not part of the public school system. What, on the other hand, is an "independent" school? Independent of what? "Independent" seems to me to be a branding/labelling thing, an attempt by private schools to undercut any reputation of elitism.
I have reverted the changes, as I do not believe that "independent" is more accurate than "private", which is the generally accepted term for these schools. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 20:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
The article mentions that the Saber Guard is Xavier's drill team. What's happened to the "X" Squad? I'd heard that they'd been suspended for a hazing incident; has the suspension turned into permanent dissolution? (BTW, the "sabers" the Saber Guard uses look pretty much like swords to me - straight and on sword hangers rather than saber safes.) Flidoc06 ( talk) 00:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Beware the tendency to boast. This article reads like a collection of student newspaper articles, even after some extensive pruning. To truly impress, let plain facts speak for themselves. Note WP:NPOV and WP:PEACOCK. The page WP:COI appears relevant for many editors as well. Note particularly Wikipedia:Avoid academic boosterism.
See this article about another Jesuit high school with similarly impressive "bragging rights" that appears to be much more neutrally presented, though certainly not perfect. Consider also that that article has more than 3× the number of inline citations and that very few are from the institution itself; it is poor practice to cite the subject of an article as occurs repeatedly here. An active editor interested in this subject could well spend his time improving the number and quality of citations in this aritcle. -- Kbh3rd talk 17:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I went to fix a reference that someone forgot the <ref></ref> tags. After I corrected the reference was going to a non existent page so I removed the reference if someone is able to figure out the correct reference it was at the end of this sentence: "Xavier's Regiment has four extracurricular teams: the Rifle Team, the Raider Unit, the X-squad and the Saber Guard." The reference that was there in case it helps is: [http://www.gsabuildingchange.us/bios.html Saber]. If anyone can help improve that would be great. This is also the reason I removed a reference, it was broken. Etineskid (talk) 02:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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I added to the see also section the Church of St. Francis Xavier since it is of heavy significance to the school itself but I could not find any mention to it in the article. I also added Canisius High School since it is another Jesuit secondary school in the New York Province and maintains fairly close ties to the Xavier HS but is also unmentioned in the article. Meters seems to be taking issue with this? I do not understand why especially the first addition. OgamD218 ( talk) 02:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hm... it seems that many of the people who are guilty of the vandalism of the Xavier High School article are in fact students at Xavier High School. It would be nice if we could represent our school in a mature manner without the unnecessary and childish comments in between. For example, "Caseywurzbachville" is a completely unnecessary and asinine comment. If you are going to add to the page, then at least add legitimate things or post whatever you are going to add before posting it. By the way, there is no need to explain Jug. It is something that is true of the school, but there are so many better things to tell everyone about. So, please, would everyone grow up and stop posting nonsensical or incoherent articles. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zouf ( talk • contribs) 23:27, January 12, 2006 (UTC)
Matt, do you really think that the idiots are going to pay attention? I doubt that they even know that the talk page exists. — Larry V 03:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It is true that Catholic students who attend this school hail from dioceses other than the Archdiocese of New York; however, the issue of students' geographic diversity is already covered by noting that "Xavier draws students from all five boroughs of New York City, as well as New Jersey, Nassau County, Westchester County, and even Orange County." In addition, the statement in question begins, "The school serves ...." Quite clearly, Xavier High School "serves" only the Archdiocese of New York. Schools and parishes do not "serve" multiple church bodies. It would be greatly appreciated if user 207.188.97.8 replied to this message, or at least provided a decent edit message explaining his/her reasoning in repeatedly adding references to these additional dioceses. If no reply is forthcoming and the article is reverted to the prior state, this user will be reported to Wikipedia administrators. — Larry V 17:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I know there are more notable alumni from 30 West 16th Street than just Scalia and Roker. Like Donald Cook for example.
- verndogs
This article definetly needs more references. For instance, how do you know that Xavier is planning to introduce its own admission exam? 68.175.27.35 01:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I personally spoke with the Director of Admissions, who is an old friend, and he stated that the rumors about a new test for admission are completely untrue. The TACHS will continue to be the admission test. 67.72.98.83 19:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
They just started using a separate application to get into Xavier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.95.127 ( talk) 15:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
They've had a separate APPLICATION for a long time (since at least the mid-'90s, when I went), wherein one lists extra-curriculars, writes a short essay, etc., but the admissions test used is still the TACHS. 67.247.26.135 ( talk) 13:58, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Since when do they teach "rhetoric"? Even when my dad graduated back in the 50's they were phasing it out - we certainly didn't study it when I went.
I heard that Xavier is constructing a new building --- some info on that might be appropriate in the article... 64.12.116.131 04:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know the reason behind Dr. Gerics' departure? 66.108.1.7 00:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
It might take a while for info on the new theatre to get out, because no one outside of the administration seems to have a clear idea about how in hell its going to get built. According to posting on the XHS Alumni site, construction hadn't begun by mid-July. By the way, and this is my own opinion mind you, but considering that the article has been cleaned up quite a bit, don't you think it's time to unflag it? It's terribly embarassing, not to mention, at least at this point, inaccurate. Just a thought! 67.72.98.83 19:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
…or complete lack thereof. This article has just four references; for its length, this is ridiculous! Larry V ( talk | contribs) 11:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Is this even true or is it just something that a vandal put there that no one has bothered to remove? 68.237.203.136
Check the school website -- this is accurate Bobby GR ( talk) 13:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The rugby team has won three national championships, two in Division I, and one in Division II. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the "Athletics" section? HandsomeSam57 20:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
It's too bad that I can't think of how you would source the story, to the extent I know it, of how the military came to be optional. The late sixties was a great time to be at Xavier. Various Jesuits were at their most extreme in oppostion to the war. The younger mil sci faculty were just back from tours in Vietnam including Major Smullins. Rather than having one teacher for the year as with other classes military science had "blcoks of instruction". The faculty was a couple of retired sergeants, a couple of active duty sergeants and Major Smullins. Senior year, besides "The Psychology of Leadrship", he taught "Counter-Insurgency". Meanwhile the Jesuits uptown were under surveillance by the FBI (ironically a profession not unusual for Xavier graduates). Out on the street in uniform we were required to salute real military officers, cadet officers, priests and nuns and faculty members. Some of the faculty said they didn't want to be saluted, kind of embarrasing. Up until 1969 most juniors and seniors were required to be MP's every third week or so. Basically you stood in the hall, came to atention for faculty and cadet officers and persecuted underclassmen for being out of uniform. Senior year they decided to make MP's a special unit. It was cool they even got brass pistols rather than rifles to wear. There was a flaw in the theory. About one third of the seniors were officers and another third were high ranking sergeants. Those that were left were the kids who had majored in Jug. One of the greatest achievements you could think of was to graduate from Xavier as private. It took four years of living on the edge of being thrown out, but somehow persisting.
One of my friends told me that every first sergeant in the first and second battalion (the third was special units) was getting paid off to mark kids present a drill.
Kids came in wearing black arm bands, which was out of uniform. In another irony the pro war kids wore American flag pins. They were also out of uniform.
I wish I could document some of this, but I guess it has to stay in the talk section
Peter Reilly ( talk) 01:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by decline -- numbers, maybe. But it still gets high scores from the Department of the Army, and still sends students to the academies. Given your estimate that a third were never really "in the program" - opting for jug and demotion -- a percentage today of 30%+ wouldn't be so bad. Is optional such a bad thing?
Bobby GR (
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00:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
An earlier version of this page had morphed a description of the school's retreat program into an unsubstantiated rant about "liturgy", "clericalism", and "neglible" presence of Jesuits at the school. Perhaps the author/authors want to offer a different perspective; but as an interested party I'd think the wiki community would be better served by comments that are demonstrable, not simply gut feelings. Rgr1969 ( talk) 22:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I was trying to fix vandalism and may have made a hash of it. I think it is OK now.
Peter Reilly ( talk) 20:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a general trend of changing the description of private schools to be "independent" schools, and an IP editor is doing that on this article. I do not believe this is a good thing. It is clear (at least to US readers) what a "private" school is, it is a school that is not available as of right to any child in the general public, not part of the public school system. What, on the other hand, is an "independent" school? Independent of what? "Independent" seems to me to be a branding/labelling thing, an attempt by private schools to undercut any reputation of elitism.
I have reverted the changes, as I do not believe that "independent" is more accurate than "private", which is the generally accepted term for these schools. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 20:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
The article mentions that the Saber Guard is Xavier's drill team. What's happened to the "X" Squad? I'd heard that they'd been suspended for a hazing incident; has the suspension turned into permanent dissolution? (BTW, the "sabers" the Saber Guard uses look pretty much like swords to me - straight and on sword hangers rather than saber safes.) Flidoc06 ( talk) 00:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Beware the tendency to boast. This article reads like a collection of student newspaper articles, even after some extensive pruning. To truly impress, let plain facts speak for themselves. Note WP:NPOV and WP:PEACOCK. The page WP:COI appears relevant for many editors as well. Note particularly Wikipedia:Avoid academic boosterism.
See this article about another Jesuit high school with similarly impressive "bragging rights" that appears to be much more neutrally presented, though certainly not perfect. Consider also that that article has more than 3× the number of inline citations and that very few are from the institution itself; it is poor practice to cite the subject of an article as occurs repeatedly here. An active editor interested in this subject could well spend his time improving the number and quality of citations in this aritcle. -- Kbh3rd talk 17:56, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I went to fix a reference that someone forgot the <ref></ref> tags. After I corrected the reference was going to a non existent page so I removed the reference if someone is able to figure out the correct reference it was at the end of this sentence: "Xavier's Regiment has four extracurricular teams: the Rifle Team, the Raider Unit, the X-squad and the Saber Guard." The reference that was there in case it helps is: [http://www.gsabuildingchange.us/bios.html Saber]. If anyone can help improve that would be great. This is also the reason I removed a reference, it was broken. Etineskid (talk) 02:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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I added to the see also section the Church of St. Francis Xavier since it is of heavy significance to the school itself but I could not find any mention to it in the article. I also added Canisius High School since it is another Jesuit secondary school in the New York Province and maintains fairly close ties to the Xavier HS but is also unmentioned in the article. Meters seems to be taking issue with this? I do not understand why especially the first addition. OgamD218 ( talk) 02:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)