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I oppose the merge. This is not just a wreath, but rather an important part of Ukrainian folklore and dance tradition. For what its worth, Ukrainian wiki has its own article on it uk:вінок. I think it is deserving of its own article. Ostap ( talk) 16:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I have seen girls all over the world using flowers for headress. There is nothing special in this, the article should be merged with main one about that particular part of clothing that is used across the whole world. It's not needed to list it by countries since we would have to list every country in the world where this is worn. A local variation info should be moved to culture or fashion of Korea, Ukraine, Poland, Germany etc.-- Molobo ( talk) 23:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wreath . a. A ring or circlet of flowers, boughs, or leaves worn on the head, placed on a memorial, or hung as a decoration..
So it should be merged with main article.-- Molobo ( talk) 23:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
A ring or circlet of flowers, boughs, or leaves worn on the head, placed on a memorial, or hung as a decoration.
Are you arguing that this definition is wrong Irpen ? And really please, this type of clothing is found all over the world. To claim flowers are worn in hair only in Belarus and Ukraine is just bizarre.
Also, the wreath article already has a section called use by culture. The info about Ukrainian variant can be moved there.
Did you read that article ? Because it is also writes about headdress variant of wreath in Rome.So if this article stays the information about Wreath as an attire will have o be moved here.-- Molobo ( talk) 00:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Molobo, we have separate articles for car and for lathe rather than have them "merged" to machine. Wreath as a garb warrants a separate article from wreath as an ornament. There is enough non-overlap here. As for having Belarusian and Ukrainian aspect together, this is because of their cultural similarity. You expressed your dissatisfaction with the fact that the Polish nation is also considered to be Slavic one. I understand it may be frustrating. You don't have to help with this article. -- Irpen 00:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
But I am curious about traditions in other regions of the world(Asia, Native Americans). Are there any Wikiboards where a question could be asked for people to contribute further to this article ? For example like this: Each crowns her glossy head with a wreath of wild flowers, and they dance with slow steps around the white birch, singing meanwhile the sacred songs. http://home.online.no/~arnfin/native/lore/leg096.htm Sioux traditions and culture -- Molobo ( talk) 01:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I am confused. What merge is at issue now? I realize that it has been merged to its present title, which is clearly what it should be. Merging to wreath I don't think is necessary. As it is now I think is the right title. Ostap ( talk) 01:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I guess it can stay, but we need to expand on Rome and Native American traditions.-- Molobo ( talk) 01:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this article should be merged into
wreath. We can have a section on its use in various cultures (Polish, Russian, Ukrainian). I see no reason why we should split them into individual articles per country, where subsections will do. PS. We can also divide the article into ornament and attire sections; I see no reason why we should have ornament at
wreath and attire at
wreath (attire) - why not have the
wreath (ornament)? Sure, we could try a disambig, but they are so closely related that I think one article for now will be better.--
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01:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, I moved Ostap's text into the Ukrainian wreath and replaced it here with the summary. This will hopefully conclude the arguments. I don't care about merging this one anymore. -- Irpen 02:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Since its used in Rome and among Indigenous People's of Americas, I hope nobody will oppose removing "slavic countries" bit.-- Molobo ( talk) 02:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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I oppose the merge. This is not just a wreath, but rather an important part of Ukrainian folklore and dance tradition. For what its worth, Ukrainian wiki has its own article on it uk:вінок. I think it is deserving of its own article. Ostap ( talk) 16:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I have seen girls all over the world using flowers for headress. There is nothing special in this, the article should be merged with main one about that particular part of clothing that is used across the whole world. It's not needed to list it by countries since we would have to list every country in the world where this is worn. A local variation info should be moved to culture or fashion of Korea, Ukraine, Poland, Germany etc.-- Molobo ( talk) 23:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wreath . a. A ring or circlet of flowers, boughs, or leaves worn on the head, placed on a memorial, or hung as a decoration..
So it should be merged with main article.-- Molobo ( talk) 23:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
A ring or circlet of flowers, boughs, or leaves worn on the head, placed on a memorial, or hung as a decoration.
Are you arguing that this definition is wrong Irpen ? And really please, this type of clothing is found all over the world. To claim flowers are worn in hair only in Belarus and Ukraine is just bizarre.
Also, the wreath article already has a section called use by culture. The info about Ukrainian variant can be moved there.
Did you read that article ? Because it is also writes about headdress variant of wreath in Rome.So if this article stays the information about Wreath as an attire will have o be moved here.-- Molobo ( talk) 00:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Molobo, we have separate articles for car and for lathe rather than have them "merged" to machine. Wreath as a garb warrants a separate article from wreath as an ornament. There is enough non-overlap here. As for having Belarusian and Ukrainian aspect together, this is because of their cultural similarity. You expressed your dissatisfaction with the fact that the Polish nation is also considered to be Slavic one. I understand it may be frustrating. You don't have to help with this article. -- Irpen 00:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
But I am curious about traditions in other regions of the world(Asia, Native Americans). Are there any Wikiboards where a question could be asked for people to contribute further to this article ? For example like this: Each crowns her glossy head with a wreath of wild flowers, and they dance with slow steps around the white birch, singing meanwhile the sacred songs. http://home.online.no/~arnfin/native/lore/leg096.htm Sioux traditions and culture -- Molobo ( talk) 01:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I am confused. What merge is at issue now? I realize that it has been merged to its present title, which is clearly what it should be. Merging to wreath I don't think is necessary. As it is now I think is the right title. Ostap ( talk) 01:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I guess it can stay, but we need to expand on Rome and Native American traditions.-- Molobo ( talk) 01:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this article should be merged into
wreath. We can have a section on its use in various cultures (Polish, Russian, Ukrainian). I see no reason why we should split them into individual articles per country, where subsections will do. PS. We can also divide the article into ornament and attire sections; I see no reason why we should have ornament at
wreath and attire at
wreath (attire) - why not have the
wreath (ornament)? Sure, we could try a disambig, but they are so closely related that I think one article for now will be better.--
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
talk
01:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, I moved Ostap's text into the Ukrainian wreath and replaced it here with the summary. This will hopefully conclude the arguments. I don't care about merging this one anymore. -- Irpen 02:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Since its used in Rome and among Indigenous People's of Americas, I hope nobody will oppose removing "slavic countries" bit.-- Molobo ( talk) 02:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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