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Is there a way to have the slashed "l", "ł", in the article title? Hyacinth 21:58, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
There was a draft article which I was working on which anyone was welcome to incorporate here if you thought it was worth it. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:27, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Looks really good. I've just made a few little edits to break down a few very long sentences and change a few little grammatical things - I hope that's ok. I'm a newbie, so please let me know if I'm doing things wrong - I just want to help!
Sorry, didn't realise I wasn't logged in - both the comment above and the recent edits discussed are from me. Thanks!
I recently added three images to the article, hopefully making it more attractive and liable to being accepted as featured article. All photos are in public domain, I have contacted the authors/sources and asked for permission. Please move the photos about the text to make the layout look better. If there is a need, I can find another/more images. Karol July 8, 2005 21:25 (UTC)
Thanks everyone who contributed to the peer review; particularly thanks to Karol for uploading those images. I will submit this article for featured status in mid-to-late-August when I return from Wikiholiday and when time permits. -- RobertG ♬ talk 11:02, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
A recent edit introduced factual inaccuracy and removed implicit information. I have revised the changes. Individual performers are not given latitude, nor are they asked to improvise, as the section Aleatory technique makes clear. Implicit information was removed when the Easter-egg link was added (People's Republic of Poland was wrapped under Poland). His solistic works (song cycles and concertos) were the ones written for renowned soloists: this obviously wasn't stated clearly enough in previous versions. You don't adhere to a line: the correct expression is to toe the line. I've recast the sentences in question. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Robert, I'm wondering why this sentence: 'Until World War I, Poland was divided according to the 1815 Congress of Vienna, and Warsaw was part of Tsarist Russia.' is in the middle of the paragraph on L's family. Can it be relocated? Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Is there a reason for including Polish translations such as '(szlachta or ziemiaństwo)' and '(Stronnictwo Narodowo-Demokratyczne or Endecja)'? They make the text signficantly harder to read, and I can't see what the advantage is. And two alternatives in Polish are given for each of these examples, without explanation as to whether they are interchangeable, synonymous, etc. There are already quite a number of Polish names in the text. What do you think? Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
The blue links are an essential aspect of Wikipedia, but there are guidelines on their density (roughly not more than one per line, or 10% of the words). There are quite a lot of links at the opening, and I wonder whether some of the years could be delinked, since they are hardly focused on the topic. The advantage would be that the text is easier to read with fewer links. I wonder about mathematics and violin; starting to look like a dictionary. Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Early years: perhaps it would be kinder to the uninitiated to avoid using 'Germany', 'Russia', and 'Prussian forces' in the same sentence. 'Prussian' is likely to confuse. Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
At the opening, I'd like to see a statement giving the reader a sense of L's achievement in relation to music in the twentieth century. Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I wonder whether the section on 'Lutosławski's family' can be merged with the next section on 'Early years'. Perhaps these sections could be slightly shorter as well. Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Robert—I've made some changes pursuant to some of the points above; see what you think. As well, I'm concerned that the biography is in too much detail; you have to scroll down a long way to get to what's important: the music. Can you see any scope for trimming the biographical details here and there? Tony 23:20, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Is it possible to find a photo of one of his scores? It would be valuable to give the readers an idea of just how innovative his style, and the related notation, was. Also beautiful visually. Tony 23:52, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
My preference is for a photo from Symphony No. 3, or Chain 2 or 3; but any example of his later scores would be just excellent. Tony 01:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Your suggestion of what not to do with the 'landed gentry' link is just what I have done; sorry, but don't you prefer it now? Tony 23:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Robert, I wonder whether all works cited in the text could be referred to by their formal name (unless perhaps repeated soon after, where a less formal abbreviation is OK), and in italic? I'm thinking of Symphony No. 3, and the Concerto for ...., etc. Tony 01:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
The discussion at that link isn't very clear, in my view, and is only in the discussion section of the manual of style. Perhaps we need to look at this issue when the article is ready. Tony 10:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the music section at the end; it's rather short, and might be better before the biography. Could be possible? Tony 10:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Tony, I think you've needlessly "cut" the intro. He "rose from making a living by playing the piano in bars to be the pre-eminent musician of his country" gives a false impression: on the contrary, he and Panufnik were reduced to making a living playing piano in bars by wartime deprivation; if it hadn't been for the war, L. would have been studying in Paris. Why remove his formative struggle with Soviet Realism during the Soviet era from the intro? He was a notable pianist as a student, but he never pursued it; he was mainly (only?) a noted conductor of his own works. I've taken action on the pianist/conductor points, but I want to understand your reasons for the other changes before doing any more. -- RobertG ♬ talk 15:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Robert, glad you fixed the piano and conducting bit. I think the first paragraph should give a bird's-eye view of just the really really important things, and nothing else. So there were three problems, in my view: (1) it didn't place him immediately as a great composer, (2) it included (and still includes) information that is too detailed for an opening, whereas I think it should merely prepare the reader for the greater level of detail in the body of the article, and (3) a couple of big-picture statements lacked brief but essential details.
Thus, I was trying to paint his career in one sentence (or two, if unavoidable) in terms of his overall rise and uniqueness: just about every composer in the last 150 years has studied at a conservatoire, so that could be left to (and is currently treated in) the biography. (If it had been retained, it probably should have specified the Warsaw C, but I think it's better dropped.) However, making a living in a bar is not universal, is interesting, and is related to his stylistic development; so I left that in. If the bit about honours and prizes is retained, can we specify them here? ... was awarded numerous prestigious prizes, including the ... and the ... I'd like to argue that the bit about dying suddenly from cancer be dropped from the opening—heck, lots of us do that; it's kind of private, and doesn't help the reader to understand the phenomenon of the great man. I'd like to add a sentence early in the paragraph about his stylistic influence. That should fill it out. What sayest thou? Tony 01:08, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Are our views very different? Can't it be both? Tony 11:08, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Robert, how about this opening (first the existing one, then below, a possible recasting that ?takes the best of both of our ideas):
EXISTING
Witold Lutosławski ( January 25 1913 – February 7 1994) was one of the major European composers of the 20th century, and possibly the most significant Polish composer since Chopin. Lutosławski studied piano and composition in Warsaw. During World War II he made a living by playing the piano in bars. In the late 1940s and early 1950s his music was banned as formalist by the Stalinist authorities. He became the pre-eminent musician of his country in the last few decades of the century, and was presented with a large number of international honours, awards and prizes. In the 1980s, Lutosławski was a staunch supporter of the Solidarność movement, which in 1989 won the legislative election and broke the Soviet hold over Poland. He died shortly after being awarded Poland's highest honour.
Lutosławski's early compositions were overtly influenced by folk music; in the late 1950s and early 1960s he developed his own harmonic techniques and started to employ aleatory processes. His works include four symphonies and a Concerto for Orchestra; he also composed concertos and song cycles for renowned musicians including Mstislav Rostropovich, Peter Pears, and Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau. He was also a notable conductor of his own music.
PROPOSED
Witold Lutosławski ( January 25 1913 – February 7 1994) was one of the major European composers of the 20th century, and possibly the most significant Polish composer since Chopin. Lutosławski studied piano and composition in Warsaw, and during World War II made a living by playing the piano in bars. His early compositions show the influence of Bartok, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, and Polish folk music. In the late 1940s and early 1950s, his music was banned as formalist by the Stalinist authorities. From the late 1950s onwards, he developed his own charactistically dense harmonies and highly innovative aleatoric techniques, in which the rhythmic coordination of parts within an ensemble is subject to an element of chance. It was largely through his strategic use of aleatory that he went on to explore a wide range of rich atmospheric textures, a distinctive feature of his style that was imitated by several other composers.
In the last three decades of the century, he became the pre-eminent musician of his country, and was presented with a large number of international awards and prizes, including Poland's highest honour, the Order of the White Eagle. In the 1980s, he used his stature to support the Solidarność movement, which won the 1989 legislative election and broke the Soviet hold over Poland. His works include five major symphonic works and several concertos and song cycles. He was a notable conductor of his own music.
I propose that the clause '... for renowned musicians including
Mstislav Rostropovich,
Peter Pears, and
Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau' be left for the detailed sections.
What do you think? Tony 13:09, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
You might want to use "Solidarity," perhaps with its Polish equivalant in parentheses.
Also, I suggest you explain "formalist," which is used in the intro and again in the postwar years paragraph. In the late style paragraph, formalist is finally linked, but the link doesn't help me understand why his music was "banned as formalist." Perhaps if you improve the Formalism (art) stub, you can just link to it in the intro.
I recommend that all of the red links be eliminated, ideally by generating articles (or stubs). Non-encyclopedic people do not need to be linked. Technical terms, however, should either be explained in context or should have links to explanatory articles (especially for us non-musicians). Thanks! Rewster 21:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Witold Lutosławski/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
needs inline citations -- plange 20:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC) |
Last edited at 20:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 16:06, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the article gains from having the works in a classified list. Each work has the forces for which it was written clearly stated, so the article does not gain any information; on the contrary, the chronology of the works is lost. Can I put it back to just a plain list, please? -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Why has the list of compositions been unilaterally moved? This is a featured article, and doesn't deserve to be chopped up in this way. -- RobertG ♬ talk 11:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to request for a page on his cello concerto. It is an intriguing piece of work for musicians, yet there is a severe lack of information on this piece.
I can read the discussion page, but when I try to look at the article, it tells me Wikipedia has no such page. Is there a database problem? DanB†DanD 04:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Strange ... I "fixed" the article by selecting the most recent version from the history, editing it, and saving it without changes. My edit doesn't show up in the history, but the article is visible to me once again. Is this a known problem wikipedia has? Or is it nothing but a caching problem or something like that on my end? DanB†DanD 04:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the statement "...and was the pre-eminent musician of his country during the last three decades of the century". I changed this sentence to "...and was one of the pre-eminent musicians of his country...", since, at the very least, Krzysztof Penderecki and Henryk Górecki too were pre-eminent during the last three to four decades of the 20th century. --- Sluzzelin 17:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed in the archives a reference to pictures of the younger Lutoslawski. I think it'd be nice to have them for variety -- all the photos there now seem to be from at least the mid 1980's. Esp. a picture w/ his family, for example, or Panufnik or another significant musician, would be pretty cool.
Also it occurs to me that for an illustration of his aleatory technique and notation, maybe a smaller-scale work would be easier for the novice to read. The analysis to the right of the symphony page is excellent -- clear and concise -- but I find myself squinting to try & make out what's going on in the score, and the notes themselves are nothing but blurs, so that the rhythmic variety in each part is apparent only if you click through twice to the larger image. Wouldn't the seminal String Quartet, for example, provide a clearer illustration for the novice? (provided somebody could find or provide an image). This example would still be valuable for the article on the symphony itself. -- Turangalila ( talk) 22:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Featured article or not, this is seriously marred by the excessive number of footnotes. Their presence after every other sentence makes this difficult to read - yes, there is value in documenting the sources, but it is totally unreasonable to have so many reference to the same source - this article goes too far... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.71.171 ( talk • contribs) 20 Septemer 2009
An anonymous editor has added the assertion that Alan Hovhaness in the 1940s used aleatoric processes similar to the ones Lutoslawski developed from the 1960s. This may be true (I haven't heard the Hovhaness pieces referred to), but is there a reliable published reference for it - that both describes this element of Hovhaness's technique and its link to Lutoslawski's? I don't have the references to check, but I don't remember mention of Hovhannes while I was researching this article. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
hello,
currently the article is lacking in-line citations; every paragraph has to be cited. Currently the article fails WP:FA?, 2c. Regards.-- GoP T C N 14:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I have a concern about the lead section. Per the suggestions at Wikipedia:MOSLEAD#Length, the appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. Also a useful suggestion would be to expand the lead to four paragraphs, as this article has more than 30,000 characters per the MoS. Unless someone objects, I am going to expand the lead section in the next couple of days. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 23:17, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Took the liberty of changing the "Final Years" section to say he was aged eighty-one at death, not eighty-four. Simple maths (1994-1913) lead to this conclusion, if however there is something complicated going on with Gregorian calendar or such like, please correct back?! Mathi80 ( talk) 15:37, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Semimartingale ( talk) 00:48, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a featured article, but it suffers from a severe lack of sources. The following paragraphs in it lack (enough) references:
All paragraphs
All paragraphs
Paragraphs 1, 2 and 4
All paragraphs
All paragraphs
Paragraphs 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6
Paragraphs 3 and 4
Paragraph 1
Also, I'm confused by this:
"Lutosławski's life is documented in both Stucky (1981) and Bodman Rae (1994, 1996, 1999)."
What is the purpose of this remark? Either write about his life, or create a "Further reading" section. Toccata quarta ( talk) 23:23, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
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Is there a way to have the slashed "l", "ł", in the article title? Hyacinth 21:58, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
There was a draft article which I was working on which anyone was welcome to incorporate here if you thought it was worth it. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:27, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Looks really good. I've just made a few little edits to break down a few very long sentences and change a few little grammatical things - I hope that's ok. I'm a newbie, so please let me know if I'm doing things wrong - I just want to help!
Sorry, didn't realise I wasn't logged in - both the comment above and the recent edits discussed are from me. Thanks!
I recently added three images to the article, hopefully making it more attractive and liable to being accepted as featured article. All photos are in public domain, I have contacted the authors/sources and asked for permission. Please move the photos about the text to make the layout look better. If there is a need, I can find another/more images. Karol July 8, 2005 21:25 (UTC)
Thanks everyone who contributed to the peer review; particularly thanks to Karol for uploading those images. I will submit this article for featured status in mid-to-late-August when I return from Wikiholiday and when time permits. -- RobertG ♬ talk 11:02, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
A recent edit introduced factual inaccuracy and removed implicit information. I have revised the changes. Individual performers are not given latitude, nor are they asked to improvise, as the section Aleatory technique makes clear. Implicit information was removed when the Easter-egg link was added (People's Republic of Poland was wrapped under Poland). His solistic works (song cycles and concertos) were the ones written for renowned soloists: this obviously wasn't stated clearly enough in previous versions. You don't adhere to a line: the correct expression is to toe the line. I've recast the sentences in question. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Robert, I'm wondering why this sentence: 'Until World War I, Poland was divided according to the 1815 Congress of Vienna, and Warsaw was part of Tsarist Russia.' is in the middle of the paragraph on L's family. Can it be relocated? Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Is there a reason for including Polish translations such as '(szlachta or ziemiaństwo)' and '(Stronnictwo Narodowo-Demokratyczne or Endecja)'? They make the text signficantly harder to read, and I can't see what the advantage is. And two alternatives in Polish are given for each of these examples, without explanation as to whether they are interchangeable, synonymous, etc. There are already quite a number of Polish names in the text. What do you think? Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
The blue links are an essential aspect of Wikipedia, but there are guidelines on their density (roughly not more than one per line, or 10% of the words). There are quite a lot of links at the opening, and I wonder whether some of the years could be delinked, since they are hardly focused on the topic. The advantage would be that the text is easier to read with fewer links. I wonder about mathematics and violin; starting to look like a dictionary. Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Early years: perhaps it would be kinder to the uninitiated to avoid using 'Germany', 'Russia', and 'Prussian forces' in the same sentence. 'Prussian' is likely to confuse. Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
At the opening, I'd like to see a statement giving the reader a sense of L's achievement in relation to music in the twentieth century. Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I wonder whether the section on 'Lutosławski's family' can be merged with the next section on 'Early years'. Perhaps these sections could be slightly shorter as well. Tony 12:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Robert—I've made some changes pursuant to some of the points above; see what you think. As well, I'm concerned that the biography is in too much detail; you have to scroll down a long way to get to what's important: the music. Can you see any scope for trimming the biographical details here and there? Tony 23:20, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Is it possible to find a photo of one of his scores? It would be valuable to give the readers an idea of just how innovative his style, and the related notation, was. Also beautiful visually. Tony 23:52, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
My preference is for a photo from Symphony No. 3, or Chain 2 or 3; but any example of his later scores would be just excellent. Tony 01:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Your suggestion of what not to do with the 'landed gentry' link is just what I have done; sorry, but don't you prefer it now? Tony 23:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Robert, I wonder whether all works cited in the text could be referred to by their formal name (unless perhaps repeated soon after, where a less formal abbreviation is OK), and in italic? I'm thinking of Symphony No. 3, and the Concerto for ...., etc. Tony 01:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
The discussion at that link isn't very clear, in my view, and is only in the discussion section of the manual of style. Perhaps we need to look at this issue when the article is ready. Tony 10:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the music section at the end; it's rather short, and might be better before the biography. Could be possible? Tony 10:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Tony, I think you've needlessly "cut" the intro. He "rose from making a living by playing the piano in bars to be the pre-eminent musician of his country" gives a false impression: on the contrary, he and Panufnik were reduced to making a living playing piano in bars by wartime deprivation; if it hadn't been for the war, L. would have been studying in Paris. Why remove his formative struggle with Soviet Realism during the Soviet era from the intro? He was a notable pianist as a student, but he never pursued it; he was mainly (only?) a noted conductor of his own works. I've taken action on the pianist/conductor points, but I want to understand your reasons for the other changes before doing any more. -- RobertG ♬ talk 15:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Robert, glad you fixed the piano and conducting bit. I think the first paragraph should give a bird's-eye view of just the really really important things, and nothing else. So there were three problems, in my view: (1) it didn't place him immediately as a great composer, (2) it included (and still includes) information that is too detailed for an opening, whereas I think it should merely prepare the reader for the greater level of detail in the body of the article, and (3) a couple of big-picture statements lacked brief but essential details.
Thus, I was trying to paint his career in one sentence (or two, if unavoidable) in terms of his overall rise and uniqueness: just about every composer in the last 150 years has studied at a conservatoire, so that could be left to (and is currently treated in) the biography. (If it had been retained, it probably should have specified the Warsaw C, but I think it's better dropped.) However, making a living in a bar is not universal, is interesting, and is related to his stylistic development; so I left that in. If the bit about honours and prizes is retained, can we specify them here? ... was awarded numerous prestigious prizes, including the ... and the ... I'd like to argue that the bit about dying suddenly from cancer be dropped from the opening—heck, lots of us do that; it's kind of private, and doesn't help the reader to understand the phenomenon of the great man. I'd like to add a sentence early in the paragraph about his stylistic influence. That should fill it out. What sayest thou? Tony 01:08, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Are our views very different? Can't it be both? Tony 11:08, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Robert, how about this opening (first the existing one, then below, a possible recasting that ?takes the best of both of our ideas):
EXISTING
Witold Lutosławski ( January 25 1913 – February 7 1994) was one of the major European composers of the 20th century, and possibly the most significant Polish composer since Chopin. Lutosławski studied piano and composition in Warsaw. During World War II he made a living by playing the piano in bars. In the late 1940s and early 1950s his music was banned as formalist by the Stalinist authorities. He became the pre-eminent musician of his country in the last few decades of the century, and was presented with a large number of international honours, awards and prizes. In the 1980s, Lutosławski was a staunch supporter of the Solidarność movement, which in 1989 won the legislative election and broke the Soviet hold over Poland. He died shortly after being awarded Poland's highest honour.
Lutosławski's early compositions were overtly influenced by folk music; in the late 1950s and early 1960s he developed his own harmonic techniques and started to employ aleatory processes. His works include four symphonies and a Concerto for Orchestra; he also composed concertos and song cycles for renowned musicians including Mstislav Rostropovich, Peter Pears, and Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau. He was also a notable conductor of his own music.
PROPOSED
Witold Lutosławski ( January 25 1913 – February 7 1994) was one of the major European composers of the 20th century, and possibly the most significant Polish composer since Chopin. Lutosławski studied piano and composition in Warsaw, and during World War II made a living by playing the piano in bars. His early compositions show the influence of Bartok, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, and Polish folk music. In the late 1940s and early 1950s, his music was banned as formalist by the Stalinist authorities. From the late 1950s onwards, he developed his own charactistically dense harmonies and highly innovative aleatoric techniques, in which the rhythmic coordination of parts within an ensemble is subject to an element of chance. It was largely through his strategic use of aleatory that he went on to explore a wide range of rich atmospheric textures, a distinctive feature of his style that was imitated by several other composers.
In the last three decades of the century, he became the pre-eminent musician of his country, and was presented with a large number of international awards and prizes, including Poland's highest honour, the Order of the White Eagle. In the 1980s, he used his stature to support the Solidarność movement, which won the 1989 legislative election and broke the Soviet hold over Poland. His works include five major symphonic works and several concertos and song cycles. He was a notable conductor of his own music.
I propose that the clause '... for renowned musicians including
Mstislav Rostropovich,
Peter Pears, and
Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau' be left for the detailed sections.
What do you think? Tony 13:09, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
You might want to use "Solidarity," perhaps with its Polish equivalant in parentheses.
Also, I suggest you explain "formalist," which is used in the intro and again in the postwar years paragraph. In the late style paragraph, formalist is finally linked, but the link doesn't help me understand why his music was "banned as formalist." Perhaps if you improve the Formalism (art) stub, you can just link to it in the intro.
I recommend that all of the red links be eliminated, ideally by generating articles (or stubs). Non-encyclopedic people do not need to be linked. Technical terms, however, should either be explained in context or should have links to explanatory articles (especially for us non-musicians). Thanks! Rewster 21:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Witold Lutosławski/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
needs inline citations -- plange 20:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC) |
Last edited at 20:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 16:06, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the article gains from having the works in a classified list. Each work has the forces for which it was written clearly stated, so the article does not gain any information; on the contrary, the chronology of the works is lost. Can I put it back to just a plain list, please? -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Why has the list of compositions been unilaterally moved? This is a featured article, and doesn't deserve to be chopped up in this way. -- RobertG ♬ talk 11:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I would like to request for a page on his cello concerto. It is an intriguing piece of work for musicians, yet there is a severe lack of information on this piece.
I can read the discussion page, but when I try to look at the article, it tells me Wikipedia has no such page. Is there a database problem? DanB†DanD 04:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Strange ... I "fixed" the article by selecting the most recent version from the history, editing it, and saving it without changes. My edit doesn't show up in the history, but the article is visible to me once again. Is this a known problem wikipedia has? Or is it nothing but a caching problem or something like that on my end? DanB†DanD 04:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the statement "...and was the pre-eminent musician of his country during the last three decades of the century". I changed this sentence to "...and was one of the pre-eminent musicians of his country...", since, at the very least, Krzysztof Penderecki and Henryk Górecki too were pre-eminent during the last three to four decades of the 20th century. --- Sluzzelin 17:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed in the archives a reference to pictures of the younger Lutoslawski. I think it'd be nice to have them for variety -- all the photos there now seem to be from at least the mid 1980's. Esp. a picture w/ his family, for example, or Panufnik or another significant musician, would be pretty cool.
Also it occurs to me that for an illustration of his aleatory technique and notation, maybe a smaller-scale work would be easier for the novice to read. The analysis to the right of the symphony page is excellent -- clear and concise -- but I find myself squinting to try & make out what's going on in the score, and the notes themselves are nothing but blurs, so that the rhythmic variety in each part is apparent only if you click through twice to the larger image. Wouldn't the seminal String Quartet, for example, provide a clearer illustration for the novice? (provided somebody could find or provide an image). This example would still be valuable for the article on the symphony itself. -- Turangalila ( talk) 22:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Featured article or not, this is seriously marred by the excessive number of footnotes. Their presence after every other sentence makes this difficult to read - yes, there is value in documenting the sources, but it is totally unreasonable to have so many reference to the same source - this article goes too far... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.71.171 ( talk • contribs) 20 Septemer 2009
An anonymous editor has added the assertion that Alan Hovhaness in the 1940s used aleatoric processes similar to the ones Lutoslawski developed from the 1960s. This may be true (I haven't heard the Hovhaness pieces referred to), but is there a reliable published reference for it - that both describes this element of Hovhaness's technique and its link to Lutoslawski's? I don't have the references to check, but I don't remember mention of Hovhannes while I was researching this article. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:53, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
hello,
currently the article is lacking in-line citations; every paragraph has to be cited. Currently the article fails WP:FA?, 2c. Regards.-- GoP T C N 14:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I have a concern about the lead section. Per the suggestions at Wikipedia:MOSLEAD#Length, the appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article. Also a useful suggestion would be to expand the lead to four paragraphs, as this article has more than 30,000 characters per the MoS. Unless someone objects, I am going to expand the lead section in the next couple of days. Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 23:17, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Took the liberty of changing the "Final Years" section to say he was aged eighty-one at death, not eighty-four. Simple maths (1994-1913) lead to this conclusion, if however there is something complicated going on with Gregorian calendar or such like, please correct back?! Mathi80 ( talk) 15:37, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Semimartingale ( talk) 00:48, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a featured article, but it suffers from a severe lack of sources. The following paragraphs in it lack (enough) references:
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Also, I'm confused by this:
"Lutosławski's life is documented in both Stucky (1981) and Bodman Rae (1994, 1996, 1999)."
What is the purpose of this remark? Either write about his life, or create a "Further reading" section. Toccata quarta ( talk) 23:23, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
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