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Who spent time figuiring out which comics he was holding? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marine7 ( talk • contribs) 21:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC) The comics in his left hand are Uncanny X-Men #268 (September 1990) in front and Uncanny X-Men #201 (January 1986) behind it. The comics in his right are Uncanny X-Men #221 (September 1987) in front and Uncanny X-Men #210 (October 1986) behind it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:282:1882:60F0:F4FF:F77A:8882:96BC ( talk) 02:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
The Schrödinger equation for the hydrogen atom, and its accompanying mistake, is mentioned three times in the article. Anyone have a preference for which one ought to be kept? -- Diagonal P. ( talk) 00:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC) probably the first one, so that teh lazy people that dont read the whole article only have to read a bit. 64.231.10.91 ( talk) 20:11, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest this for the main article.
The two dice Weird Al rolls in the video clip are a 20-sided and an 8-sided. This could be just for the shapes as these are two of the quintessential D&D dice but it is also one of the more standard combinations used when making an attack in the game, where one usually rolls the attack (on a 20 sider) and the damage at the same time - many of the most common weapons do 1-8 damage. The results that he gets for the rolls are a 10 on the 20-sided and a 5 on the 8-sided.
-- RLPLYR ( talk) 01:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
you can't just type it right away, but you can html code it so you can make
...... 64.231.10.91 ( talk) 20:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC) Oh, and to answer Ur question, tomayers,
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.10.91 ( talk) 20:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
In the 15th episode of The Miley and Mandy Show, Miley mentions White and Nerdy. Should we say this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DineshAdv ( talk • contribs) 23:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I mentioned it last week in casual conversation. Should we put that up? </sarcasm> Superslacker87 ( talk) 06:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
No. To obscure. Somewherepurple ( talk) 04:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Is this really necessary, considering it says so in the song? 90.212.120.95 ( talk) 18:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I like it that the article says ping pong is typically white. Someone should tell Asia. They need to stop dominating and outnumbering whites in "our game"- or maybe we could stop saying such dumb things. Either one. —Preceding
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71.123.218.31 (
talk)
01:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I removed the tag because I don't see that a prose format would work better for a list like this. Since the song consists of a series of items, it makes more sense to use a list format for these than to present it as one long paragraph. If your concern has to do with the notability of these items or the sourcing for them, then you've got the wrong tag. So I'll leave the tag for now, but without a comment on the talk page, simply adding a tag doesn't really tell what you think the problem is and why prose would work better here other than "because the style guide says so". PaulGS ( talk) 05:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me, I am the Jon Katz mentioned on Wikipedia as being an extra in the W&N video shoot, but it is linking to a different Jon Katz. I do not have a Wikipedia page, but I don't want people thinking I am that man.
Please advise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.230.140 ( talk) 07:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Is the question "(Science & Nature) What is the melting point of a gorilla's head?" a reference to the 2005 released Gorillaz album Demon Days, and it's song "Fire Coming Out of the Monkey's Head"? 68.209.116.39 ( talk) 23:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I have significantly cut back on the video section; most of this were statements of observation that were not sources, and thus are inappropriate. However, I have scaled back onto what information could be sourced (cameos, some of the references in the video). Facts such as what type of car is in the driveway, or what issues of X-Men are being held up are neither necessary for an understanding of the level of "nerdiness" in the video nor are appropriate for inclusion as they constitute original research. -- MASEM ( t) 16:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Things that can be observed directly from the video are not OR, and for works of fiction or the like, the work itself can be a source for plot-related details. If one can see that issue whatever of X-Men is held up, then the video itself is the source and it doesn't take any special knowledge to see that. From WP:OR: "Without a secondary source, a primary source may be used only to make descriptive claims, the accuracy of which is verifiable by a reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages from the novel to describe the plot, but any interpretation of those passages needs a secondary source." There may be a few OR statements in there, but deleting the entire section is not the way to fix it. Nor is the section trivia, since it is not a random collection of miscellaneous information. Some might feel it's trivial - non-notable - but that's not the same as calling it Trivia in the WP sense of a section where various facts that don't fit anywhere else go. PaulGS ( talk) 05:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Is the character based on Lloyd? He seems like he is because of the similarities 81.77.188.25 ( talk) 14:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is mentioned 1:49-1:53 into the music song. I know I can edit it, but... Open The Windows, sir! 22:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
What is the math on the wall in the background of the video? Could someone who understands it post a bit on it in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.255.62.26 ( talk) 18:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
No, just no. That math is irrelevant to the entire article. See
Wikipedia:Avoid Trivia articles. --
Martyleehi (
talk)
18:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
It's already been mentioned - it's the (slightly incorrect) version of the time independent Schrodinger equation for the hydrogen atom. — Preceding
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131.111.219.253 (
talk)
18:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Noticed that not only Donny Osmond was parodied in White and Nerdy, but if you look at other famous LDS people in recent news (i.e Romney) they are also being connected to the White and Nerdy culture. YouTube has a plethora of LDS White and Nerdy parodies and my concern is that this W&N stereotype is becoming a catch all misnomer for calling traditional religious values as being "white and nerdy". I believe the song is connected more to the "classic" idea that nerdy is connected mainly to people who like fringe technology (academia), fantasy and sci-fi and not the sole preview for just whites. The article should reinforce this in the article and not allow it to drift into other incorrect stereotypes. Septagram ( talk) 07:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
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Why exactly is the plot of the entire music video in this article? ReaIdiot ( talk) 15:55, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
My point was just that the point is to give a synopsis, not give exact detail. This segment below is a huge run-on sentence with excessive detail (in my opinion). Section 1 (at start of page): It includes many references to activities stereotypically associated with nerds and white people, such as collecting comic books and action figures, playing Dungeons & Dragons (D&D), going to Renaissance Fairs, playing Minesweeper, riding a Segway, programming computers, writing his name on his underwear, unnecessarily wearing braces, using an ergonomic keyboard, reading Stephen Hawking, memorizing pi, editing Wikipedia, owning a fanny pack, watching Happy Days and Star Trek, making a “web page for his dog”, and eating "sandwiches with mayonnaise". Proposed edit: It includes many references to activities stereotypically associated with nerds and white people. (you don't need this overspecific detail, this is a run-on sentence) - ReaIdiot ( talk) 22:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
This section is also drawn-out and should be removed, in my opinion: The video shows a fictional Trivial Pursuit card, with questions that include the location of "The Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota", on what page Harry Potter would die in the next book, and the number of Wicket men there are on a 43-Man Squamish team. Yankovic is shown making a shady deal with a stereotypical "thug" in a back alley to acquire a bootleg VHS copy of the Star Wars Holiday Special. ReaIdiot ( talk) 06:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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Who spent time figuiring out which comics he was holding? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marine7 ( talk • contribs) 21:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC) The comics in his left hand are Uncanny X-Men #268 (September 1990) in front and Uncanny X-Men #201 (January 1986) behind it. The comics in his right are Uncanny X-Men #221 (September 1987) in front and Uncanny X-Men #210 (October 1986) behind it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:282:1882:60F0:F4FF:F77A:8882:96BC ( talk) 02:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
The Schrödinger equation for the hydrogen atom, and its accompanying mistake, is mentioned three times in the article. Anyone have a preference for which one ought to be kept? -- Diagonal P. ( talk) 00:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC) probably the first one, so that teh lazy people that dont read the whole article only have to read a bit. 64.231.10.91 ( talk) 20:11, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest this for the main article.
The two dice Weird Al rolls in the video clip are a 20-sided and an 8-sided. This could be just for the shapes as these are two of the quintessential D&D dice but it is also one of the more standard combinations used when making an attack in the game, where one usually rolls the attack (on a 20 sider) and the damage at the same time - many of the most common weapons do 1-8 damage. The results that he gets for the rolls are a 10 on the 20-sided and a 5 on the 8-sided.
-- RLPLYR ( talk) 01:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
you can't just type it right away, but you can html code it so you can make
...... 64.231.10.91 ( talk) 20:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC) Oh, and to answer Ur question, tomayers,
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.10.91 ( talk) 20:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
In the 15th episode of The Miley and Mandy Show, Miley mentions White and Nerdy. Should we say this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DineshAdv ( talk • contribs) 23:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I mentioned it last week in casual conversation. Should we put that up? </sarcasm> Superslacker87 ( talk) 06:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
No. To obscure. Somewherepurple ( talk) 04:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Is this really necessary, considering it says so in the song? 90.212.120.95 ( talk) 18:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I like it that the article says ping pong is typically white. Someone should tell Asia. They need to stop dominating and outnumbering whites in "our game"- or maybe we could stop saying such dumb things. Either one. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
71.123.218.31 (
talk)
01:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I removed the tag because I don't see that a prose format would work better for a list like this. Since the song consists of a series of items, it makes more sense to use a list format for these than to present it as one long paragraph. If your concern has to do with the notability of these items or the sourcing for them, then you've got the wrong tag. So I'll leave the tag for now, but without a comment on the talk page, simply adding a tag doesn't really tell what you think the problem is and why prose would work better here other than "because the style guide says so". PaulGS ( talk) 05:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me, I am the Jon Katz mentioned on Wikipedia as being an extra in the W&N video shoot, but it is linking to a different Jon Katz. I do not have a Wikipedia page, but I don't want people thinking I am that man.
Please advise? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.230.140 ( talk) 07:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Is the question "(Science & Nature) What is the melting point of a gorilla's head?" a reference to the 2005 released Gorillaz album Demon Days, and it's song "Fire Coming Out of the Monkey's Head"? 68.209.116.39 ( talk) 23:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I have significantly cut back on the video section; most of this were statements of observation that were not sources, and thus are inappropriate. However, I have scaled back onto what information could be sourced (cameos, some of the references in the video). Facts such as what type of car is in the driveway, or what issues of X-Men are being held up are neither necessary for an understanding of the level of "nerdiness" in the video nor are appropriate for inclusion as they constitute original research. -- MASEM ( t) 16:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Things that can be observed directly from the video are not OR, and for works of fiction or the like, the work itself can be a source for plot-related details. If one can see that issue whatever of X-Men is held up, then the video itself is the source and it doesn't take any special knowledge to see that. From WP:OR: "Without a secondary source, a primary source may be used only to make descriptive claims, the accuracy of which is verifiable by a reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages from the novel to describe the plot, but any interpretation of those passages needs a secondary source." There may be a few OR statements in there, but deleting the entire section is not the way to fix it. Nor is the section trivia, since it is not a random collection of miscellaneous information. Some might feel it's trivial - non-notable - but that's not the same as calling it Trivia in the WP sense of a section where various facts that don't fit anywhere else go. PaulGS ( talk) 05:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Is the character based on Lloyd? He seems like he is because of the similarities 81.77.188.25 ( talk) 14:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is mentioned 1:49-1:53 into the music song. I know I can edit it, but... Open The Windows, sir! 22:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
What is the math on the wall in the background of the video? Could someone who understands it post a bit on it in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.255.62.26 ( talk) 18:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
No, just no. That math is irrelevant to the entire article. See
Wikipedia:Avoid Trivia articles. --
Martyleehi (
talk)
18:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
It's already been mentioned - it's the (slightly incorrect) version of the time independent Schrodinger equation for the hydrogen atom. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
131.111.219.253 (
talk)
18:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Noticed that not only Donny Osmond was parodied in White and Nerdy, but if you look at other famous LDS people in recent news (i.e Romney) they are also being connected to the White and Nerdy culture. YouTube has a plethora of LDS White and Nerdy parodies and my concern is that this W&N stereotype is becoming a catch all misnomer for calling traditional religious values as being "white and nerdy". I believe the song is connected more to the "classic" idea that nerdy is connected mainly to people who like fringe technology (academia), fantasy and sci-fi and not the sole preview for just whites. The article should reinforce this in the article and not allow it to drift into other incorrect stereotypes. Septagram ( talk) 07:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
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Why exactly is the plot of the entire music video in this article? ReaIdiot ( talk) 15:55, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
My point was just that the point is to give a synopsis, not give exact detail. This segment below is a huge run-on sentence with excessive detail (in my opinion). Section 1 (at start of page): It includes many references to activities stereotypically associated with nerds and white people, such as collecting comic books and action figures, playing Dungeons & Dragons (D&D), going to Renaissance Fairs, playing Minesweeper, riding a Segway, programming computers, writing his name on his underwear, unnecessarily wearing braces, using an ergonomic keyboard, reading Stephen Hawking, memorizing pi, editing Wikipedia, owning a fanny pack, watching Happy Days and Star Trek, making a “web page for his dog”, and eating "sandwiches with mayonnaise". Proposed edit: It includes many references to activities stereotypically associated with nerds and white people. (you don't need this overspecific detail, this is a run-on sentence) - ReaIdiot ( talk) 22:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
This section is also drawn-out and should be removed, in my opinion: The video shows a fictional Trivial Pursuit card, with questions that include the location of "The Biggest Ball of Twine in Minnesota", on what page Harry Potter would die in the next book, and the number of Wicket men there are on a 43-Man Squamish team. Yankovic is shown making a shady deal with a stereotypical "thug" in a back alley to acquire a bootleg VHS copy of the Star Wars Holiday Special. ReaIdiot ( talk) 06:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)