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I hope I'm not asking a stupid question, but is there a reason that the "The" at the very start of the article is a link to the page about the word "The"? Is that fully necessary? Xanthos IV ( talk) 16:33, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
"Many of the most acclaimed Westerns were released during this time, including High Noon (1952), Shane (1953), The Searchers (1956), and The Wild Bunch (1969)."
What is the specific source or basis for this short list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.239.95.121 ( talk) 07:48, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
While that cite wasn’t the best one for the assertion made before it, it is, in fact, both expert - Howson may be a bit of loose cannon on some things, but film ain’t one of them, and it appears to be the actual origin of the term. It probably belongs in the article. Qwirkle ( talk) 15:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Many works are described as "Westerns", which is directed here, even though they aren't set in the nineteenth-century. For example:
If these are Westerns, what exactly makes them Western? Why are readers being directed here? What will they find out? I think there needs to be a better and broader explanation of what the genre is about, or else these links should be removed.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
An unregistered user with the IP " 184.97.128.161" added the "snow Western" subgenre on 6 September 2019 to the article, diff:
The snow Western subgenre is based during mid- to late winter, and set in the continental United States. It is a more rare Western, as most focus during warm weather or areas without snow. Popular films of this subgenre are Andre de Toth's Day of the Outlaw (1959), Sergio Corbucci's The Great Silence (1968), Sydney Pollack's Jeremiah Johnson (1972), Breakheart Pass (1975), Quentin Tarantino's The Hateful Eight (2015), and Alejandro González Iñárritu's The Revenant.
I searched the Google for "snow Western genre" and couldn't find a useful source for the claimed subgenre, so I removed it now, but if you could find something useful you can re-add it.-- FMM-1992 ( talk) 00:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
So obviously this article is a bit of a mess at the moment, but I think a lot of that just comes down to the fact that the intended scope and notability of the article isn't well established anywhere so there is a lot of ambiguity over what exactly the article should be; some parts of the article seem to want to treat it as an article on the Western genre as a whole, while others seem to want to specify it as a genre of film and nothing more. In particular there is a large amount of overlap with Western fiction (I mean ffs one is a part of WikiProject Novels while the other is a part of WikiProject Literature, where the hell do you even start with that level of oversight) and of course the elephant in the room is the hellishly overexpanded and overcomplicated subgenre list.
My proposal is to merge these two articles into either Western (genre) or Western fiction (whichever is more widely used in the sources) followed immedietly by a split into Western (film), Western (novels), whichever other mediums warrant their own articles, and List of Western subgenres. This will give the article a well-defined scope for editors to build towards, avoid example sprawl, and can also help the overall quality of the article. Orchastrattor ( talk) 19:50, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Why are a majority of Hollywood western films take place after the Civil War ? 2.29.250.239 ( talk) 23:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Not all Pre-Civil War Hollywood Westerns are categorized as adventure films, take a look at Django Unchained or The Sisters Brothers, they are some of the few Hollywood films set in the West before the Civil War and are classed as Westerns. All I want to know is why are nearly all Western films made by Hollywood take place after the Civil War. 2.29.250.239 ( talk) 21:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC
Dear Khajidha, I thought the Old West period started in 1848 during the California Gold Rush (which was before the Civil War). 2.26.1.169 ( talk) 15:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
All I want to know is why are nearly all Western films made by Hollywood take place after the Civil War.Is the purpose to improve the article, or just quest for personal knowledge? We're not a discussion forum and the talk page is specifically for discussing improvements to the article, not for expanding into other discussion. ButlerBlog ( talk) 18:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Why is it that dynamite is the only explosive used in western films ? 2.29.250.239 ( talk) 13:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion regarding the capitalization of Western as a genre, and a number of related page moves of subgenre articles. ButlerBlog ( talk) 21:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
I think the definition "The Western is a genre of fiction set in the American frontier between the California Gold Rush of 1849 and the closing of the frontier in 1890" is too narrow, as there are many films that are clearly understood and accepted as being Westerns, that are set before or after this period. Perhaps the definition should read "usually set in the second half of the 19th century". 2A02:2F0F:B111:6400:839:8575:8371:3A6A ( talk) 07:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
there are many films that are clearly understood and accepted as being Westerns, that are set before or after this period- What do you mean by "many"? And can you provide an example? Certainly, there are films in the various Western subgenres that fall outside that time period, the classic Western falls within that definition (which comes from the cited source). It is the themes of the classic Western that define and identify the Western genre when the setting falls outside of that time period. With that in mind, and reviewing the cited source, add revised it to read
typically set in...ButlerBlog ( talk) 01:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Western (genre) is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed. | |||||||||||||
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Material from Western (genre) was split to Western film (genre) on 13:18, 11 April 2023 from this version. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists. Please leave this template in place to link the article histories and preserve this attribution. |
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I hope I'm not asking a stupid question, but is there a reason that the "The" at the very start of the article is a link to the page about the word "The"? Is that fully necessary? Xanthos IV ( talk) 16:33, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
"Many of the most acclaimed Westerns were released during this time, including High Noon (1952), Shane (1953), The Searchers (1956), and The Wild Bunch (1969)."
What is the specific source or basis for this short list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.239.95.121 ( talk) 07:48, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
While that cite wasn’t the best one for the assertion made before it, it is, in fact, both expert - Howson may be a bit of loose cannon on some things, but film ain’t one of them, and it appears to be the actual origin of the term. It probably belongs in the article. Qwirkle ( talk) 15:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
Many works are described as "Westerns", which is directed here, even though they aren't set in the nineteenth-century. For example:
If these are Westerns, what exactly makes them Western? Why are readers being directed here? What will they find out? I think there needs to be a better and broader explanation of what the genre is about, or else these links should be removed.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
An unregistered user with the IP " 184.97.128.161" added the "snow Western" subgenre on 6 September 2019 to the article, diff:
The snow Western subgenre is based during mid- to late winter, and set in the continental United States. It is a more rare Western, as most focus during warm weather or areas without snow. Popular films of this subgenre are Andre de Toth's Day of the Outlaw (1959), Sergio Corbucci's The Great Silence (1968), Sydney Pollack's Jeremiah Johnson (1972), Breakheart Pass (1975), Quentin Tarantino's The Hateful Eight (2015), and Alejandro González Iñárritu's The Revenant.
I searched the Google for "snow Western genre" and couldn't find a useful source for the claimed subgenre, so I removed it now, but if you could find something useful you can re-add it.-- FMM-1992 ( talk) 00:44, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
So obviously this article is a bit of a mess at the moment, but I think a lot of that just comes down to the fact that the intended scope and notability of the article isn't well established anywhere so there is a lot of ambiguity over what exactly the article should be; some parts of the article seem to want to treat it as an article on the Western genre as a whole, while others seem to want to specify it as a genre of film and nothing more. In particular there is a large amount of overlap with Western fiction (I mean ffs one is a part of WikiProject Novels while the other is a part of WikiProject Literature, where the hell do you even start with that level of oversight) and of course the elephant in the room is the hellishly overexpanded and overcomplicated subgenre list.
My proposal is to merge these two articles into either Western (genre) or Western fiction (whichever is more widely used in the sources) followed immedietly by a split into Western (film), Western (novels), whichever other mediums warrant their own articles, and List of Western subgenres. This will give the article a well-defined scope for editors to build towards, avoid example sprawl, and can also help the overall quality of the article. Orchastrattor ( talk) 19:50, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Why are a majority of Hollywood western films take place after the Civil War ? 2.29.250.239 ( talk) 23:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Not all Pre-Civil War Hollywood Westerns are categorized as adventure films, take a look at Django Unchained or The Sisters Brothers, they are some of the few Hollywood films set in the West before the Civil War and are classed as Westerns. All I want to know is why are nearly all Western films made by Hollywood take place after the Civil War. 2.29.250.239 ( talk) 21:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC
Dear Khajidha, I thought the Old West period started in 1848 during the California Gold Rush (which was before the Civil War). 2.26.1.169 ( talk) 15:31, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
All I want to know is why are nearly all Western films made by Hollywood take place after the Civil War.Is the purpose to improve the article, or just quest for personal knowledge? We're not a discussion forum and the talk page is specifically for discussing improvements to the article, not for expanding into other discussion. ButlerBlog ( talk) 18:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Why is it that dynamite is the only explosive used in western films ? 2.29.250.239 ( talk) 13:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion regarding the capitalization of Western as a genre, and a number of related page moves of subgenre articles. ButlerBlog ( talk) 21:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
I think the definition "The Western is a genre of fiction set in the American frontier between the California Gold Rush of 1849 and the closing of the frontier in 1890" is too narrow, as there are many films that are clearly understood and accepted as being Westerns, that are set before or after this period. Perhaps the definition should read "usually set in the second half of the 19th century". 2A02:2F0F:B111:6400:839:8575:8371:3A6A ( talk) 07:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
there are many films that are clearly understood and accepted as being Westerns, that are set before or after this period- What do you mean by "many"? And can you provide an example? Certainly, there are films in the various Western subgenres that fall outside that time period, the classic Western falls within that definition (which comes from the cited source). It is the themes of the classic Western that define and identify the Western genre when the setting falls outside of that time period. With that in mind, and reviewing the cited source, add revised it to read
typically set in...ButlerBlog ( talk) 01:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)