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The article seems to get no closer on this than "By 2008, over 200 journals had begun routinely using WebCite". I take it from that that WebCite launched either earlier in 2008 or in 2007, but I'd be guessing. Can someone pin this one down, and also correct the establishment by year categories that I'm adding now with 2008 as the tentative year of establishment! __ meco ( talk) 08:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
The article says, "Shortly thereafter, Google and the Internet Archive entered the market, seemingly reducing the need for a service like WebCite."
Really? If Google is in this market, I'm not aware of it. Old versions of web pages can sometimes be found in the Google cache, but they don't last long.
Does anyone know what that sentence is talking about? NCdave ( talk) 11:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
For the last half-hour or so and continuing. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 02:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
In that case, it's been down all day June 20, parts of June 19 (or more), and so far on June 21 (today), it's still down. If it's down for more than a week, I'm screwed lol. – Kerαunoςcopia◁ galaxies 06:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
It has been about a week since this comment was posted: Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources#Webcite_outage.3F_.28.3F.29 and it seems to be down again. (On the other hand, the Google "cache" entry is now dated Nov 13, 2010 ... Hmmm ... on 9 November 2010 the Google "cache" entry was dated Nov 6, 2010.) (Could it just be a DNS problem with my ISP? or my subnet? or my PC, or something?)
The current problem seems to be affecting "read-only" access to previously archived material, (at least, for me! YMMV...) as well as submission of new material to be archived. Does anyone here have any details about the problem? (e.g., is it a "domain name" issue? or a DNS / domain name "registration" issue?) -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 07:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, it worked OK for me today. (Go figure ... :-) -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 06:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
E-mail notification does not seem to work since early January 2011 (and is not back as of Jan. 8th 2011). So, please be careful, if you use the bookmarklet instead of bookmarking visited sites otherwise. Links might get lost. I second the call for a monitoring service or more reliable alternatives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webciteuser01 ( talk • contribs) 09:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC) Seems to be back on January 19th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webciteuser01 ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Its down again. The Website cannot get reached. Thank You Webcitation people for your service all the years until now! -- Advocado 11:32, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
The google cache of Aug 29, 2011 16:37:55 GMT shows a normal-looking home page, but i have got no server response for the past 10 minutes or so. The DNS servers for webcitation.org seem to be down. Boud ( talk) 20:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I think there is some value in documenting the outages. It was down for a brief period this afternoon, at least around 1:00pm. It was working by 3:00pm. The Sound and the Fury ( talk) 19:08, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Seems to be down again, as of now. (This message is for informational purposes, and is not a call to document downtime in the article itself.) TheFeds 07:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Down right now with the error "Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Too many connections in /home/webcita/public_html/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 367 DB Connection failed" on the archive page. (Again, not advocating for listing outages in article; this is merely a convenient list for us to track the issue.) TheFeds 07:46, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Service down with a note mentioning "routine maintenance", but ongoing for quite a while now. Webciteuser01 ( talk) 10:43, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
And it's back and available! Great, thanks WebCite for your service! To my knowledge maintenance took at least 48h. Webciteuser01 ( talk) 14:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Earlier today, webcitation.org seemed to be dead. It's now up and running, but is appealing for funds in order to survive. -- Hoary ( talk) 14:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
No response from server as of 12:15 GMT. — C M B J 12:16, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
No response from server as of 10:15 CEST Webciteuser01 ( talk) 08:20, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
WebCite has been no longer able to archive anything for almost a week, becoming read-only. -- Meow 20:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
The latest anodyne edit does much to improve webcite's image, but understates the very serious and almost continuous non function of an important archiving service. It's one thing to claim new pages will not be archived if funds aren't received, it's another to fail to support an existing commitment. I think outages should be given more prominent coverage than the latest edit by Philafrenzy allows, though perhaps in a more organised manner. The intention is not carping, but documenting a serious problem. I support the service and have given to it, despite the lack of transparency in its funding arrangements, but I am frustrated by its massive unreliability at present, and a lack of clarity about what the future holds. Cpsoper ( talk) 22:30, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
See meta:WebCite for related discussion. — C M B J 13:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
It's down again. It was accepting new material about two weeks ago (the last time I tried). — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 06:31, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
When attempting to access material archived in WebCite or while attempting to archive new materials, I am receiving an error message that states:
Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Too many connections in /home/webcita/public_html/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 367 DB Connection failed.
Is anyone else currently experiencing this problem? What is creating the problem? When will it be fixed?
Should an editor add information about this outage and previous WebCite outages to the WebCite article? Corker1 ( talk) 23:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I've tried to archive multiple articles today and I keep getting the following email error message:
Your WebCite archive request has errors
Your recent WebCite request has completed. Following are the results from this request:
CACHING FAILED
The caching attempt failed for the following reason: Could not establish the root of the downloaded page. This is most likely caused by a page class which isn't supported yet by WebCite.
Anyone else getting this? It was working fine for me a few days ago last time I tried to archive a page. -- Jamesy0627144 ( talk) 02:16, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
[update 2016-06-04] I am able to archive pages now and no longer receive an error message when doing so, but the formatting of the archived pages is off (text is all there but archive doesn't look much like original) and there is also a big banner across the top of webcitation.org that says "UNDER CONSTRUCTION - please come back later - old snapshots available". So looks like they are aware of the problems and working on it but it's not completely fixed yet. -- Jamesy0627144 ( talk) 20:29, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
I keep getting an error saying the site cannot be reached. Using ping also shows that the host cannot be found. 2601:8C:4102:1210:96C:E069:7919:EF79 ( talk) 17:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Is It Down Right Now?. Yes. It was intermittently down starting yesterday (if not the day before). -- Green C 15:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Right now it's down and has been since yesterday. I hope that doesn't mean it's been down since September. There was no report of it coming back up. Spinning Spark 09:06, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Major problems. Down. No DNS. Both authoritative name servers seem to be down. Blocklisted by Google: https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=http:%2F%2F69.73.131.148%2F
% dig +short webcitation.org NS ns1.webcitens.org. ns2.webcitens.org. % dig webcitation.org @NS1.WEBCITENS.ORG ; dig webcitation.org @NS2.WEBCITENS.ORG <fail - no answer>
-- 68.33.78.5 ( talk) 15:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
It's back up!-- Truthtests ( talk) 22:06, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Outage started early in the day. -- Green C 00:48, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Outage began. Snapshot URLs return error, unable to connect to DB. Home page works. -- Green C 15:13, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
It appears to have come back online around June 24, 2023. 1 year 8 months outage. -- Green C 15:47, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
The site went offline around May 1, 2024. The homepage does not display, browsers hang indefinitely, then time out. -- Green C 15:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello from german Wikipedia. I think, webcitation shall not be used at all, regardless of being up or down. Look at the following example:
Both have the same hash in the webcitation link, but the one from dec. 2013 has an archived version of www.cleveland.com whereas the archived version 2023 shows www.jamboree.freedom-in-education.co.uk
I found that example when trying to fix a very different problem in de:Zyklonsaison im Südwestindik 2013–2014 where I see a title Bulletin for Cyclonic Activity and Significant Tropical Weather in the Southwest Indian Ocean – July 6, 2013 1200 UTC so I was expecting a page with that title. According to deWP, this link was added in july 2013. So within 5 month (july till december) the webcitation-link changed its content.
Another example:
I think we can simple forget this site and drop all the links, or did I miss something? -- Wurgl ( talk) 09:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
I removed the use of the term "indefinite preservation" from the lead as unverifiable. We do not know that this service will exist forever. Unless such a guarantee can be made - and it can't - the phrase "indefinite" cannot be used. Indeed, the lengthy list of outages above proves the service is not 100% reliable and, thus, once again indefinite cannot apply. As a non-profit, it could close down a year from now, 5 years from now, or a server crash could delete everything. It's a claim that simply cannot be verified, so I tweaked the wording slightly. 68.146.70.124 ( talk) 06:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
"TMI"
? sorry...] Over the past few days I have noticed that the web site
https://webcitation.org/ did not [and it still does not] seem to be working at all; and what seemed especially frustrating was: the lack of even an "info" / "status" web page ... e.g. to re-direct readers [temporarily?] to some "news" updates ... which probably "should be" hosted / DNS'ed separately on some other web site! [right?] Just my 0.02 ...) --
Mike Schwartz (
talk)
18:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)RfC open if we should use long or short URLs when linking to webcitation.org -- Green C 23:20, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
RfC open at: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_159#RfC:_Deprecate_webcitation.org_aka_WebCite -- Green C 14:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
With almost all content on WebCite having been unavailable since the end of October 2021, barring the front page, FAQ, and news page, is it now appropriate to change all language in this article to past tense? Sideswipe9th ( talk) 20:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
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The article seems to get no closer on this than "By 2008, over 200 journals had begun routinely using WebCite". I take it from that that WebCite launched either earlier in 2008 or in 2007, but I'd be guessing. Can someone pin this one down, and also correct the establishment by year categories that I'm adding now with 2008 as the tentative year of establishment! __ meco ( talk) 08:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
The article says, "Shortly thereafter, Google and the Internet Archive entered the market, seemingly reducing the need for a service like WebCite."
Really? If Google is in this market, I'm not aware of it. Old versions of web pages can sometimes be found in the Google cache, but they don't last long.
Does anyone know what that sentence is talking about? NCdave ( talk) 11:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
For the last half-hour or so and continuing. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 02:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
In that case, it's been down all day June 20, parts of June 19 (or more), and so far on June 21 (today), it's still down. If it's down for more than a week, I'm screwed lol. – Kerαunoςcopia◁ galaxies 06:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
It has been about a week since this comment was posted: Wikipedia_talk:Citing_sources#Webcite_outage.3F_.28.3F.29 and it seems to be down again. (On the other hand, the Google "cache" entry is now dated Nov 13, 2010 ... Hmmm ... on 9 November 2010 the Google "cache" entry was dated Nov 6, 2010.) (Could it just be a DNS problem with my ISP? or my subnet? or my PC, or something?)
The current problem seems to be affecting "read-only" access to previously archived material, (at least, for me! YMMV...) as well as submission of new material to be archived. Does anyone here have any details about the problem? (e.g., is it a "domain name" issue? or a DNS / domain name "registration" issue?) -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 07:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, it worked OK for me today. (Go figure ... :-) -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 06:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
E-mail notification does not seem to work since early January 2011 (and is not back as of Jan. 8th 2011). So, please be careful, if you use the bookmarklet instead of bookmarking visited sites otherwise. Links might get lost. I second the call for a monitoring service or more reliable alternatives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webciteuser01 ( talk • contribs) 09:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC) Seems to be back on January 19th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webciteuser01 ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Its down again. The Website cannot get reached. Thank You Webcitation people for your service all the years until now! -- Advocado 11:32, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
The google cache of Aug 29, 2011 16:37:55 GMT shows a normal-looking home page, but i have got no server response for the past 10 minutes or so. The DNS servers for webcitation.org seem to be down. Boud ( talk) 20:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I think there is some value in documenting the outages. It was down for a brief period this afternoon, at least around 1:00pm. It was working by 3:00pm. The Sound and the Fury ( talk) 19:08, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Seems to be down again, as of now. (This message is for informational purposes, and is not a call to document downtime in the article itself.) TheFeds 07:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Down right now with the error "Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Too many connections in /home/webcita/public_html/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 367 DB Connection failed" on the archive page. (Again, not advocating for listing outages in article; this is merely a convenient list for us to track the issue.) TheFeds 07:46, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Service down with a note mentioning "routine maintenance", but ongoing for quite a while now. Webciteuser01 ( talk) 10:43, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
And it's back and available! Great, thanks WebCite for your service! To my knowledge maintenance took at least 48h. Webciteuser01 ( talk) 14:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Earlier today, webcitation.org seemed to be dead. It's now up and running, but is appealing for funds in order to survive. -- Hoary ( talk) 14:50, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
No response from server as of 12:15 GMT. — C M B J 12:16, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
No response from server as of 10:15 CEST Webciteuser01 ( talk) 08:20, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
WebCite has been no longer able to archive anything for almost a week, becoming read-only. -- Meow 20:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
The latest anodyne edit does much to improve webcite's image, but understates the very serious and almost continuous non function of an important archiving service. It's one thing to claim new pages will not be archived if funds aren't received, it's another to fail to support an existing commitment. I think outages should be given more prominent coverage than the latest edit by Philafrenzy allows, though perhaps in a more organised manner. The intention is not carping, but documenting a serious problem. I support the service and have given to it, despite the lack of transparency in its funding arrangements, but I am frustrated by its massive unreliability at present, and a lack of clarity about what the future holds. Cpsoper ( talk) 22:30, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
See meta:WebCite for related discussion. — C M B J 13:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
It's down again. It was accepting new material about two weeks ago (the last time I tried). — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 06:31, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
When attempting to access material archived in WebCite or while attempting to archive new materials, I am receiving an error message that states:
Warning: mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Too many connections in /home/webcita/public_html/lib/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 367 DB Connection failed.
Is anyone else currently experiencing this problem? What is creating the problem? When will it be fixed?
Should an editor add information about this outage and previous WebCite outages to the WebCite article? Corker1 ( talk) 23:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
I've tried to archive multiple articles today and I keep getting the following email error message:
Your WebCite archive request has errors
Your recent WebCite request has completed. Following are the results from this request:
CACHING FAILED
The caching attempt failed for the following reason: Could not establish the root of the downloaded page. This is most likely caused by a page class which isn't supported yet by WebCite.
Anyone else getting this? It was working fine for me a few days ago last time I tried to archive a page. -- Jamesy0627144 ( talk) 02:16, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
[update 2016-06-04] I am able to archive pages now and no longer receive an error message when doing so, but the formatting of the archived pages is off (text is all there but archive doesn't look much like original) and there is also a big banner across the top of webcitation.org that says "UNDER CONSTRUCTION - please come back later - old snapshots available". So looks like they are aware of the problems and working on it but it's not completely fixed yet. -- Jamesy0627144 ( talk) 20:29, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
I keep getting an error saying the site cannot be reached. Using ping also shows that the host cannot be found. 2601:8C:4102:1210:96C:E069:7919:EF79 ( talk) 17:33, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Is It Down Right Now?. Yes. It was intermittently down starting yesterday (if not the day before). -- Green C 15:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Right now it's down and has been since yesterday. I hope that doesn't mean it's been down since September. There was no report of it coming back up. Spinning Spark 09:06, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Major problems. Down. No DNS. Both authoritative name servers seem to be down. Blocklisted by Google: https://transparencyreport.google.com/safe-browsing/search?url=http:%2F%2F69.73.131.148%2F
% dig +short webcitation.org NS ns1.webcitens.org. ns2.webcitens.org. % dig webcitation.org @NS1.WEBCITENS.ORG ; dig webcitation.org @NS2.WEBCITENS.ORG <fail - no answer>
-- 68.33.78.5 ( talk) 15:58, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
It's back up!-- Truthtests ( talk) 22:06, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Outage started early in the day. -- Green C 00:48, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Outage began. Snapshot URLs return error, unable to connect to DB. Home page works. -- Green C 15:13, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
It appears to have come back online around June 24, 2023. 1 year 8 months outage. -- Green C 15:47, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
The site went offline around May 1, 2024. The homepage does not display, browsers hang indefinitely, then time out. -- Green C 15:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello from german Wikipedia. I think, webcitation shall not be used at all, regardless of being up or down. Look at the following example:
Both have the same hash in the webcitation link, but the one from dec. 2013 has an archived version of www.cleveland.com whereas the archived version 2023 shows www.jamboree.freedom-in-education.co.uk
I found that example when trying to fix a very different problem in de:Zyklonsaison im Südwestindik 2013–2014 where I see a title Bulletin for Cyclonic Activity and Significant Tropical Weather in the Southwest Indian Ocean – July 6, 2013 1200 UTC so I was expecting a page with that title. According to deWP, this link was added in july 2013. So within 5 month (july till december) the webcitation-link changed its content.
Another example:
I think we can simple forget this site and drop all the links, or did I miss something? -- Wurgl ( talk) 09:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
I removed the use of the term "indefinite preservation" from the lead as unverifiable. We do not know that this service will exist forever. Unless such a guarantee can be made - and it can't - the phrase "indefinite" cannot be used. Indeed, the lengthy list of outages above proves the service is not 100% reliable and, thus, once again indefinite cannot apply. As a non-profit, it could close down a year from now, 5 years from now, or a server crash could delete everything. It's a claim that simply cannot be verified, so I tweaked the wording slightly. 68.146.70.124 ( talk) 06:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
"TMI"
? sorry...] Over the past few days I have noticed that the web site
https://webcitation.org/ did not [and it still does not] seem to be working at all; and what seemed especially frustrating was: the lack of even an "info" / "status" web page ... e.g. to re-direct readers [temporarily?] to some "news" updates ... which probably "should be" hosted / DNS'ed separately on some other web site! [right?] Just my 0.02 ...) --
Mike Schwartz (
talk)
18:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)RfC open if we should use long or short URLs when linking to webcitation.org -- Green C 23:20, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
RfC open at: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_159#RfC:_Deprecate_webcitation.org_aka_WebCite -- Green C 14:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
With almost all content on WebCite having been unavailable since the end of October 2021, barring the front page, FAQ, and news page, is it now appropriate to change all language in this article to past tense? Sideswipe9th ( talk) 20:34, 10 August 2022 (UTC)