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"The film's story and screenplay are written by Bryan Burrough, Allan Loeb and Stephen Schiff, respectively."
The use of the word "respectively" in this sentence makes absolutely no sense, and yet it has remained in the intro of this article for a year or more, through hundreds (thousands?) of revisions.
Respectively means "singly in the order designated or mentioned" (thefreedictionary.com), "separately or individually and in the order already mentioned" (dictionary.com). The important aspect here is the "singly"/"individually" aspect. You might say, for instance, that the movie Usual Suspects was directed, written, and edited by Bryan Singer, Christopher McQuarrie, and John Ottman respectively. Three things requires three names. Three names requires three things.
There are no exceptions to the "one-to-one" matching requirement of respectively. You can match one-to-one between items and pairs of items, of course; for example, consider the movie Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl. "Gore Verbinski and the team of Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio respectively directed the film and wrote the screenplay": that's a proper use of respectively, describing the mapping between two activities (directing and screenwriting) and two doers-of-action (one the director, one the writing team). But you can't say "Gore Verbinski, Ted Elliot, and Terry Rossio directed and wrote the screenplay, respectively" (whether you use the serial comma or not). Intuitively you can't say it because you can't tell from that sentence who did the directing and who did the writing, because it's listing 3 people and 2 actions. Another example in the other direction: you can't say "Usual Suspects was directed, written, edited, and scored by Bryan Singer, Christopher McQuarrie, and John Ottman, respectively", because you can't tell how the 3 people map to the 4 actions. You could almost say something like "Usual Suspects was directed, written, and edited and scored by Bryan Singer, Christpher McQuarrie, and John Ottman, respectively", but while this is at least "correct" it's still too obscure a usage for most people to decipher, which is why it's better to insert the explicit pair-formation as with "the (writing) team of" in the previous example. But for a construction with three names and two actions, it's better to just rewrite it as two independent clauses and give up "respectively" entirely.
The above sort of ambiguity is why I haven't fixed the original sentence in this Wall Street article--I have no idea who did what, since I can't see the IMDB Pro page. There's no way to know what the sentence means unless you already know who did what, in which case you wouldn't need to read it in Wikipedia in the first place. 24.16.57.110 ( talk) 19:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
The Los Angeles Times is reporting the budget to be $60 million ($50 million after tax credits). [1] The source being used in the article ( New York Times) says $70 million. [2] Mike Allen 02:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
The plot summary posted in this article appears to have been, at one point, a word-for-word copy/paste from this website, http://themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/wallstreet2.html This is the addition in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wall_Street:_Money_Never_Sleeps&diff=387237564&oldid=387209696
Would a removal/complete rewrite of this section be in order? Compassghost ( talk) 22:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I find it more likely that it was copy-pasted from the website than vice-versa, simply because the writing style is "spoilery" summary rather than a "plot summary," describing every bit of detail as it progresses. Does Wiki staff normally conduct at least e-mail correspondence with websites if they believe copyrights have been violated? Compassghost ( talk) 23:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
a saleman. it#s thorton wilder or marylins lover ? -- Raskollnika ( talk) 17:16, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
But for footnote 7 here is the weblink to the article in question
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/12/entertainment/la-ca-sneaks-wallstreet-20100912 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.176.244 ( talk) 16:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
==Swift!==
I' miss the names of the female actresses, roles are told... Drifting zeroes are the storys effect, vanished envelopes inclusive. The short sellars don#t argue with existing values, but with an account of asses. Something real visible and the dead brother appears in an old man#s shape. Do you think it's possible biological females may earn money and feed their own insurance?!-- Raskollnika ( talk) 09:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC) gender folio/ university of massachusetts
Hi all
During the copyedit a few things came to light that may need attention:
Chaosdruid ( talk) 21:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
After copyediting the article, I noticed some things that'll probably come up at the GA review.
1. The lead needs to be expanded. For an article this length, it should be three good sized paragraphs. Make sure all aspects are touched on.
2. Synopsis needs to be cut further. To about 700 words, that means a third of it needs to go. Try to only include the parts which are mentioned elsewhere in the article, everything else merits just the briefest sketch. E.g. Gekko and Moore go to a fundraiser dinner. Then later discussion, for instance of the cameos, will say "Bud Fox met Gekko at the dinner party". We don't need details about how he got there, the article's not a substitute for watching the film.
3. It's a shame that all the information and insights from cast and directors are tucked away as titbits in the production sections. There's no cohesive analysis of the themes and questions about the world of finance that the film is so ostensibly about. I would consider stripping them out and adding them with a more financy review of the film.
Overral it's a nice article, well formatted with a little more work it could be a GA. Best, -- Ktlynch ( talk) 14:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Someone or something appears to have been mucking with the article. I see names of celebrities who obviously had no involvement with the film being mentioned as cast members, as well as writers who weren't involved in the screenplay either. I am going to revert it to the version that makes the most sense, but a lock may have to be placed on this page temporarily to keep it from being altered. I have placed it on my watchlist and will be stopping by periodically to check on it. I just watched the movie for the first time today, so I am familiar with the story, and I am also using the IMDB page as an outside reference. Stentor7 ( talk) 22:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)Stentor7
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Reviewer: Darkwarriorblake ( talk · contribs) 20:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Only small issues to deal with.
Fixed the ref, added a little text to Accolades... and what image are you talking about? igordebraga ≠ 17:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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"The film's story and screenplay are written by Bryan Burrough, Allan Loeb and Stephen Schiff, respectively."
The use of the word "respectively" in this sentence makes absolutely no sense, and yet it has remained in the intro of this article for a year or more, through hundreds (thousands?) of revisions.
Respectively means "singly in the order designated or mentioned" (thefreedictionary.com), "separately or individually and in the order already mentioned" (dictionary.com). The important aspect here is the "singly"/"individually" aspect. You might say, for instance, that the movie Usual Suspects was directed, written, and edited by Bryan Singer, Christopher McQuarrie, and John Ottman respectively. Three things requires three names. Three names requires three things.
There are no exceptions to the "one-to-one" matching requirement of respectively. You can match one-to-one between items and pairs of items, of course; for example, consider the movie Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl. "Gore Verbinski and the team of Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio respectively directed the film and wrote the screenplay": that's a proper use of respectively, describing the mapping between two activities (directing and screenwriting) and two doers-of-action (one the director, one the writing team). But you can't say "Gore Verbinski, Ted Elliot, and Terry Rossio directed and wrote the screenplay, respectively" (whether you use the serial comma or not). Intuitively you can't say it because you can't tell from that sentence who did the directing and who did the writing, because it's listing 3 people and 2 actions. Another example in the other direction: you can't say "Usual Suspects was directed, written, edited, and scored by Bryan Singer, Christopher McQuarrie, and John Ottman, respectively", because you can't tell how the 3 people map to the 4 actions. You could almost say something like "Usual Suspects was directed, written, and edited and scored by Bryan Singer, Christpher McQuarrie, and John Ottman, respectively", but while this is at least "correct" it's still too obscure a usage for most people to decipher, which is why it's better to insert the explicit pair-formation as with "the (writing) team of" in the previous example. But for a construction with three names and two actions, it's better to just rewrite it as two independent clauses and give up "respectively" entirely.
The above sort of ambiguity is why I haven't fixed the original sentence in this Wall Street article--I have no idea who did what, since I can't see the IMDB Pro page. There's no way to know what the sentence means unless you already know who did what, in which case you wouldn't need to read it in Wikipedia in the first place. 24.16.57.110 ( talk) 19:08, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
The Los Angeles Times is reporting the budget to be $60 million ($50 million after tax credits). [1] The source being used in the article ( New York Times) says $70 million. [2] Mike Allen 02:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
The plot summary posted in this article appears to have been, at one point, a word-for-word copy/paste from this website, http://themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/wallstreet2.html This is the addition in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wall_Street:_Money_Never_Sleeps&diff=387237564&oldid=387209696
Would a removal/complete rewrite of this section be in order? Compassghost ( talk) 22:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I find it more likely that it was copy-pasted from the website than vice-versa, simply because the writing style is "spoilery" summary rather than a "plot summary," describing every bit of detail as it progresses. Does Wiki staff normally conduct at least e-mail correspondence with websites if they believe copyrights have been violated? Compassghost ( talk) 23:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
a saleman. it#s thorton wilder or marylins lover ? -- Raskollnika ( talk) 17:16, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
But for footnote 7 here is the weblink to the article in question
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/12/entertainment/la-ca-sneaks-wallstreet-20100912 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.176.244 ( talk) 16:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
==Swift!==
I' miss the names of the female actresses, roles are told... Drifting zeroes are the storys effect, vanished envelopes inclusive. The short sellars don#t argue with existing values, but with an account of asses. Something real visible and the dead brother appears in an old man#s shape. Do you think it's possible biological females may earn money and feed their own insurance?!-- Raskollnika ( talk) 09:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC) gender folio/ university of massachusetts
Hi all
During the copyedit a few things came to light that may need attention:
Chaosdruid ( talk) 21:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
After copyediting the article, I noticed some things that'll probably come up at the GA review.
1. The lead needs to be expanded. For an article this length, it should be three good sized paragraphs. Make sure all aspects are touched on.
2. Synopsis needs to be cut further. To about 700 words, that means a third of it needs to go. Try to only include the parts which are mentioned elsewhere in the article, everything else merits just the briefest sketch. E.g. Gekko and Moore go to a fundraiser dinner. Then later discussion, for instance of the cameos, will say "Bud Fox met Gekko at the dinner party". We don't need details about how he got there, the article's not a substitute for watching the film.
3. It's a shame that all the information and insights from cast and directors are tucked away as titbits in the production sections. There's no cohesive analysis of the themes and questions about the world of finance that the film is so ostensibly about. I would consider stripping them out and adding them with a more financy review of the film.
Overral it's a nice article, well formatted with a little more work it could be a GA. Best, -- Ktlynch ( talk) 14:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Someone or something appears to have been mucking with the article. I see names of celebrities who obviously had no involvement with the film being mentioned as cast members, as well as writers who weren't involved in the screenplay either. I am going to revert it to the version that makes the most sense, but a lock may have to be placed on this page temporarily to keep it from being altered. I have placed it on my watchlist and will be stopping by periodically to check on it. I just watched the movie for the first time today, so I am familiar with the story, and I am also using the IMDB page as an outside reference. Stentor7 ( talk) 22:13, 22 September 2011 (UTC)Stentor7
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Reviewer: Darkwarriorblake ( talk · contribs) 20:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Only small issues to deal with.
Fixed the ref, added a little text to Accolades... and what image are you talking about? igordebraga ≠ 17:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)