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"… noted that when this number reached 35% it would mean 1/3 …" Thank you, Captain Obvious! But you missed it by 1⅔%. 184.18.45.118 ( talk) 22:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
> setting their sights on trying to overturn the lack of interest in the software in Europe
When the article writes vocaloids, like Miku achieved significantly less success in Europe, it should be understood that often times they were not allowed to achieve success. Consider for example Germany, which expressly asked that no german language vocaloid persona shall be released and when A. Merkel asks, with the world's most healthy economy backing her, it's hard to ignore.
For background, one needs to understand that in Germany, owing to undescribable WW2 horrors, far right propaganda is constitutionally banned and the ban is enforced airtight. They have the BND, a kind of FBI clone but with extra "thought police" powers, to root out neo-nazis and the population largely cooperates in the effort to break up any cells. Try to record ryo's "Liebe ist rassen-Krieg" fandub with girlfriend and a neighbour will report it or BND will find the vocal source, based on its total phone network voice print collection. Punishment can be up to 6 years in prison, so the effort is really efficient.
But if there was a "teutonic" vocaloid, a single talented extremist invididual, working in a basement with laptop and headphone, could compose and vocalize, completely unseen and unheard by anybody else, the next Horst Wassel-ish song. He could drop it onto the net via VPN over Tor, essentially untraceable. Any aspining neo-anon-Leni Riefenstahl could then make an MMD video for it, resulting in a new "Triumph of the Willes" that hypnotizes young people with ubermensch aryan dreams and BND has a problem on hand. Thereby vocaloid.de is currently unwanted. A similar situation exists with arabic and probably nobody wants beheading vids with vocaloid BGM, although fortunately, the most extreme branches of islam ban music almost thoroughly. The potential for dangerous abuse is often missed by Japan-centric thinkers. 82.131.134.66 ( talk) 11:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, just letting everyone know that this page is going to be overhaulled within the next few days. I'm going to change a few things related to the way Vocaloid is handled. This page continues to grow and its becoming problematic.
the current plan is to have a main page for the franchise, break up V1-V4 into separate pages. the list of vocaloids page will be retired and the vocals moved onto the separate pages due to previous attempts to delete it. This page is getting a little bit out of control in some sections. The engine sections are now bulky enough to act as their own stand alone pages souly so there shouldn't be any problems.
I'll likely put it up as Mortal Kombat does it, except "Characters" will be "versions" or something. V1 will be called "Vocaloid (software)". Some things are related to one engine, but there is now at this point a mess. things are confusing and you can't tell at first glance whats is engine specific in sections like "merchandising" or "cultural influence".
I'll log into my main account to do this, hopefully wikipedia will let me sort this without problems. I added pages like CeVIO and Sinsy recently and I haven't had any problems with those. 86.139.198.92 ( talk) 20:01, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Just Vocalowitter and iVocaloid to write up at this stage. The new pages allow editors to go into more depth on each packages if they wish (I've thrown up a basic description of each for now) and saves this page handling everything including the kitchen sink. Angel Emfrbl ( talk) 21:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to highlight it here because this needs to be noted. "Megpoid" is NOT an alternative name for "Gumi". The "poid" series by internet co., Ltd have a separate name for mascot/character/personification to the software itself. "Megpoid" is the software, Gumi is the character. Its the same for Gackpo and Ryuto, their the mascot names and their software are called "Gackpoid" and "Gachapoid". The "poid" series names of their software is taken from the Japanese way of saying "like-vocaloid" and is a portmanteau play on words; the box is saying "Megumi-like Vocaloid", "Gackt-like vocaloid" and "gachapin-like Vocaloid".
The only other Vocaloid to do this is Flower, the software is "V Flower" and the mascot is just "Flower". The "v" just means "vocaloid Flower", this is a lot simpler to understand then the situation with the poid series at least.
Unfortunately there is no single source I can give to explain the situation and every site at this point will likely be rejected by wikipedia, in other words the original explanations are long lost. 31.54.165.129 ( talk) 10:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
The "Marketing" and "cultural impact" sections could use revamping. Marketing is out of date and needs to be broadened to include all vocaloids.... Cultural Impact is completely out of date. I think its best overall the main Vocaloid page stays more broad and focuses on the technology, letting other pages handle anything relevant. 86.162.157.185 ( talk) 09:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Some Vocaloids like Gumi, Gackpo, Kagamines, Ia, Yukari, Kaito, Meiko and Luka could do with their own pages like Miku has... I wouldn't make pages for most of the other vocaloids as there still isn't a lot to fluff them out. There might also be room for VY1 and VY2. VY1 should have a lot to talk about her. I wouldn't make these pages myself though. I'm not interested in being vocaloid-specific here, just sticking to the main software itself. :-/ 86.162.157.185 ( talk) 09:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
This page of Vocaloid is for some reason not included anymore in the category box at the bottom of the page. But this page is has the most information about the Vocaloid Software. Is it a possibility to put it back in the box? Because the page about Vocaloid(1) took over it's link.
Or maybe, why don't we rename this page to something more general instead of just Vocaloid? Then this can be a page to go directly to everything about the Vocaloid software and other pages related to Vocaloid.
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A table for famous vocaloids (e.g hatsune miku) would be much more easier for readers (like me). Komchi ✉ ☆ 15:34, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
The Vocaloid wikia serves a better purpose at this. Angel Emfrbl ( talk) 18:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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Much of the information regarding the lack of success of English vocals seems to be somewhat outdated. While English vocals still struggle to reach the levels of popularity of Japanese counterparts, they have seen a noticable increase in sucess in the last five years. Avanna was Zero-G's best selling product three years in a row, for example. Should this section be updated to reflect that? MikuFan39 ( talk) 04:29, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
With the sole exception of MikuMikuDance, I am having a hard time justifying the notability of anything within that entire section, hardware of software, not to mention the layout is absolutely hideous. Are there any objections on deleting the entirety of that section except for MMD? tonyxc600 comms logs 13:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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shouldn't this be changed to VOCALOID instead of Vocaloid??? RemiruPlushie ( talk) 18:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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https://www.vocaloid.com/en/vocaloid6/
Vocaloid six is out now, GUMI is updated; 16 new voices are expected/planned; have fun! 47.189.13.184 ( talk) 03:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
FYI Category:Hatsune Miku has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.244.143 ( talk) 06:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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"… noted that when this number reached 35% it would mean 1/3 …" Thank you, Captain Obvious! But you missed it by 1⅔%. 184.18.45.118 ( talk) 22:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
> setting their sights on trying to overturn the lack of interest in the software in Europe
When the article writes vocaloids, like Miku achieved significantly less success in Europe, it should be understood that often times they were not allowed to achieve success. Consider for example Germany, which expressly asked that no german language vocaloid persona shall be released and when A. Merkel asks, with the world's most healthy economy backing her, it's hard to ignore.
For background, one needs to understand that in Germany, owing to undescribable WW2 horrors, far right propaganda is constitutionally banned and the ban is enforced airtight. They have the BND, a kind of FBI clone but with extra "thought police" powers, to root out neo-nazis and the population largely cooperates in the effort to break up any cells. Try to record ryo's "Liebe ist rassen-Krieg" fandub with girlfriend and a neighbour will report it or BND will find the vocal source, based on its total phone network voice print collection. Punishment can be up to 6 years in prison, so the effort is really efficient.
But if there was a "teutonic" vocaloid, a single talented extremist invididual, working in a basement with laptop and headphone, could compose and vocalize, completely unseen and unheard by anybody else, the next Horst Wassel-ish song. He could drop it onto the net via VPN over Tor, essentially untraceable. Any aspining neo-anon-Leni Riefenstahl could then make an MMD video for it, resulting in a new "Triumph of the Willes" that hypnotizes young people with ubermensch aryan dreams and BND has a problem on hand. Thereby vocaloid.de is currently unwanted. A similar situation exists with arabic and probably nobody wants beheading vids with vocaloid BGM, although fortunately, the most extreme branches of islam ban music almost thoroughly. The potential for dangerous abuse is often missed by Japan-centric thinkers. 82.131.134.66 ( talk) 11:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, just letting everyone know that this page is going to be overhaulled within the next few days. I'm going to change a few things related to the way Vocaloid is handled. This page continues to grow and its becoming problematic.
the current plan is to have a main page for the franchise, break up V1-V4 into separate pages. the list of vocaloids page will be retired and the vocals moved onto the separate pages due to previous attempts to delete it. This page is getting a little bit out of control in some sections. The engine sections are now bulky enough to act as their own stand alone pages souly so there shouldn't be any problems.
I'll likely put it up as Mortal Kombat does it, except "Characters" will be "versions" or something. V1 will be called "Vocaloid (software)". Some things are related to one engine, but there is now at this point a mess. things are confusing and you can't tell at first glance whats is engine specific in sections like "merchandising" or "cultural influence".
I'll log into my main account to do this, hopefully wikipedia will let me sort this without problems. I added pages like CeVIO and Sinsy recently and I haven't had any problems with those. 86.139.198.92 ( talk) 20:01, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Just Vocalowitter and iVocaloid to write up at this stage. The new pages allow editors to go into more depth on each packages if they wish (I've thrown up a basic description of each for now) and saves this page handling everything including the kitchen sink. Angel Emfrbl ( talk) 21:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to highlight it here because this needs to be noted. "Megpoid" is NOT an alternative name for "Gumi". The "poid" series by internet co., Ltd have a separate name for mascot/character/personification to the software itself. "Megpoid" is the software, Gumi is the character. Its the same for Gackpo and Ryuto, their the mascot names and their software are called "Gackpoid" and "Gachapoid". The "poid" series names of their software is taken from the Japanese way of saying "like-vocaloid" and is a portmanteau play on words; the box is saying "Megumi-like Vocaloid", "Gackt-like vocaloid" and "gachapin-like Vocaloid".
The only other Vocaloid to do this is Flower, the software is "V Flower" and the mascot is just "Flower". The "v" just means "vocaloid Flower", this is a lot simpler to understand then the situation with the poid series at least.
Unfortunately there is no single source I can give to explain the situation and every site at this point will likely be rejected by wikipedia, in other words the original explanations are long lost. 31.54.165.129 ( talk) 10:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
The "Marketing" and "cultural impact" sections could use revamping. Marketing is out of date and needs to be broadened to include all vocaloids.... Cultural Impact is completely out of date. I think its best overall the main Vocaloid page stays more broad and focuses on the technology, letting other pages handle anything relevant. 86.162.157.185 ( talk) 09:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Some Vocaloids like Gumi, Gackpo, Kagamines, Ia, Yukari, Kaito, Meiko and Luka could do with their own pages like Miku has... I wouldn't make pages for most of the other vocaloids as there still isn't a lot to fluff them out. There might also be room for VY1 and VY2. VY1 should have a lot to talk about her. I wouldn't make these pages myself though. I'm not interested in being vocaloid-specific here, just sticking to the main software itself. :-/ 86.162.157.185 ( talk) 09:59, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
This page of Vocaloid is for some reason not included anymore in the category box at the bottom of the page. But this page is has the most information about the Vocaloid Software. Is it a possibility to put it back in the box? Because the page about Vocaloid(1) took over it's link.
Or maybe, why don't we rename this page to something more general instead of just Vocaloid? Then this can be a page to go directly to everything about the Vocaloid software and other pages related to Vocaloid.
Wariostarx (
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09:04, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
A table for famous vocaloids (e.g hatsune miku) would be much more easier for readers (like me). Komchi ✉ ☆ 15:34, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
The Vocaloid wikia serves a better purpose at this. Angel Emfrbl ( talk) 18:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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Much of the information regarding the lack of success of English vocals seems to be somewhat outdated. While English vocals still struggle to reach the levels of popularity of Japanese counterparts, they have seen a noticable increase in sucess in the last five years. Avanna was Zero-G's best selling product three years in a row, for example. Should this section be updated to reflect that? MikuFan39 ( talk) 04:29, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
With the sole exception of MikuMikuDance, I am having a hard time justifying the notability of anything within that entire section, hardware of software, not to mention the layout is absolutely hideous. Are there any objections on deleting the entirety of that section except for MMD? tonyxc600 comms logs 13:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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shouldn't this be changed to VOCALOID instead of Vocaloid??? RemiruPlushie ( talk) 18:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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https://www.vocaloid.com/en/vocaloid6/
Vocaloid six is out now, GUMI is updated; 16 new voices are expected/planned; have fun! 47.189.13.184 ( talk) 03:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
FYI Category:Hatsune Miku has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.244.143 ( talk) 06:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)